No, but if the US decides to label you a felon for any reason, or no reason at all you can't go to Canada.
Notice how the US Government is declaring the anti-elon stuff to be terrorism? Do you remember what Edward Snowden showed us about the type of spying that the US is capable of, and authorized to do in the name of 'counter-terrorism'?
The US is about to invent a lot of new 'felons' and 'terrorists' and other countries, including Canada, will deny them entry and asylum.
France doesn't extradite if death penalty or bad shit like this is on the table. So there is a strong chance you wouldn't get deported these days even as a "sans papier" (illégal alien). Is Canada not similar?
He wasn't in France at the time, though. Once you're in, though, we're not supposed to kick you out if we know you might get killed. This may actually have evolved in recent years, sadly.
But diplomacy is a bitch yeah.
I reckon it would be a very different answer if he made his request right now, though!
No. When there were large bunches of refuges trying to escape from camps from the middle east, Canada refused entry to any any male 16 years or older for asylum. Women and small children were okish, but males were right fucked and flat refused. And I think that's still on the books yet today.
Canada, for all the "feel good" they have from others in the world, has as much history of cruelty to outsiders as any other western nation. And don't look to closely into why the Geneva Convention exists today either. They just hide it better.
Well, young guys that are not immediately employable are gonna be super difficult to integrate, to be fair. It sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you have a solid way to help them and what country actually has that, really?
So if you have no skills, you need not apply. Just starve and die where you are or perhaps be killed outright by others. But the US is expected to take in 1000s of such people right?
See, you are no better than the US in many ways. You just have a better PR team.....
I absolutely disagree with all this garbage, and I refuse to leave. I played chess with a Venezuelan homie in a shelter several times and i think one time he pretended to lose his queen, because he always otherwise destroyed me. I guess i shouldn't worry anymore, because why would i care if my friend was sent away
Bullshit. Plenty of studies and news stories covering the continued violence against Canadian indigenous, and the refusal of the government to properly address or investigate the problem.
Which mass graves have you known about as they were being filled, rather than when they were discovered after the fact? How can you possibly confidently proclaim it’s not happening anymore, as indigenous peoples (especially women and children) continue to go missing in high numbers?
Are they actively murdering and burying indigenous people in mass graves? This report is on the historical failings of the government as it pertains to 2022.
To be clear as of that report the government was not acknowledging their failures to account for and prevent these atrocities not that they were actively committing them.
I don't think the genocide is active anymore, this is a super weird hill to die on. To be honest Canada has a LONG way to go in terms of reconciliation. land acknowledgements, etc are a super fake check mark to be "native friendly" but they are a step in the right direction. No, Canadians are not actively murdering first Nations and burying them in mass graves.
Yes, the there still is some cultural genocide and the communities are still absolutely struggling to recover from being completely fucked by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government with residential schools, rascism, reserve system and destruction of food sources.
Despite legislation Indigenous women allege they were coerced into consenting to sterilization, often during vulnerable moments such as childbirth, from the mid 1970s onwards.[64] In June 2021, the Standing Committee on Human Rights in Canada found that compulsory sterilization is ongoing in Canada and its extent has been underestimated.[65] A bill was introduced to Parliament in 2024 to end the practice.[66]
Most trades are provincial jurisdiction (including electricians), so pick a province and look at their requirements for foreign trained electricians.
For example, to get your ticket in Ontario you'll need to look into the trade 309A (Construction and Maintenance Electrician) or 442A (Industrial Electrician), verify your work experience, and take an equivalency exam to test your knowledge. I'd recommend reading up on CEC requirements (very similar to NEC but there are differences).
I should also mention that electricians are part of the federal Red Seal program, so once you're licensed you can pretty easily move provinces without needing to recertify (though you still have to register with that province's trades regulator and follow their regulations instead).
Don't know about electricians specifically but AFAIK we have a general shortage of skilled trades related to construction so I wouldn't be surprised if we are short on electricians too. You'd probably have to do some recertification.
Well... There was that time the RCMP provided bogus, seemingly fabricated information to the CIA resulting in Meher Arar's extraordinary rendition and ten months of torture. For no obvious reason.
The last residential school closed in 1997 and the government has since profusely apologized for their part in this disgusting history. Where is evidence this is still carrying on in the 21st century?
I'm like 3 steps away from applying for Permanent Residence. The best year of my life was when I worked in Toronto, and that was before the orange turd came back in and expedited my desire to be literally anywhere but here.
Screw going back. If I had an easy way to leave the country and renounce my US citizenship to become the citizen of a different nation, I would. Not sure if I'd necessarily want to do so in Canada, seeing as its southern border is touching this rotten hell-on-earth icon of hubris, but it would still be a welcome start.
I have a job and family here, and this is where my wife’s support system is. Uprooting her and taking her away from the kids and the rest of the family would be a huge decision to make.
We’ve legitimately discussed it, but in the short term we decided me leaving the country, even for work, just can’t happen. If they are revoking green cards on a whim… I just can’t chance it.
The yellow tour bus was the biggest clue to me, after that I started noticing other things. In Canada yellow buses are for school, tour buses are usually red and white.
so many people in my life are talking about leaving to come to BC. are trump refugees something you guys would actually be cool with? I know some people in the world would resent us for not staying and doing what we can to clean his shit show up
I'm not gonna blame anyone for fleeing fascism. At least if you leave, they're not getting your tax dollars* or labour.
That said, be aware that there is a housing crisis in Canada, and it's most severe in the metro Vancouver area.
*I think you would actually have to renounce US citizenship for this to be true, but I'm also unsure how aggressively the IRS would pursue tax collection from emigrants.
As a general rule, people with US citizenship working in most other countries still have to file US taxes, but they end up owing nothing. There's a big exemption for wages earned in other countries, so unless you're making a lot of money and simultaneously living in a place with very low taxes, your payment will be $0. This sometimes affects say bankers who move to Switzerland where they make a lot of money and don't pay much in taxes. But, for most jurisdictions (including Canada) the taxes are more-or-less on par with the US or higher so you don't end up owing anything.
All I could remember is that my partner's US-born family members have periodically been paranoid about filing US taxes due to changes over the years, but not the specifics.
Most of them have renounced, but apparently that started costing thousands of dollars some years ago, so some remain dual citizens.
that's fair we have a house shortage too but not because of a shortage of houses. I came from an area were people were fighting eachother for places to live so I don't personally want to exacerbate your guys' situation. I'll keep studying languages, thank you for your answer
To be clear, that wasn't meant as a discouragement, more just as a heads-up on what to expect.
It's "better" in smaller towns, but that comes at the cost of less infrastructure and services.
Imo it's been pretty predictable for years that we might need to absorb a lot of US emigrants, and while it's very popular to blame the housing crisis on new arrivals, it's fundamentally the result of decades of policy failures by successive governments of a country that relies heavily on immigration.
That said, there are probably better options for those who can afford it.
Hey, I would love to move to Canada as I unfortunately live in a shitty place but I cannot do that unless I can get a work visa and it's hard to get that. If anyone has a solution, I would love to hear it
I really wish this were an exaggeration.
As someone in the US, believe me, I do too.
It’s not. We have a catch and release police for most offences.
Like finishing we only keep you if it’s a big one.
I want you to read the post and then the original comment again
Slowly
No, but if the US decides to label you a felon for any reason, or no reason at all you can't go to Canada.
Notice how the US Government is declaring the anti-elon stuff to be terrorism? Do you remember what Edward Snowden showed us about the type of spying that the US is capable of, and authorized to do in the name of 'counter-terrorism'?
The US is about to invent a lot of new 'felons' and 'terrorists' and other countries, including Canada, will deny them entry and asylum.
France doesn't extradite if death penalty or bad shit like this is on the table. So there is a strong chance you wouldn't get deported these days even as a "sans papier" (illégal alien). Is Canada not similar?
France refused asylum to Snowden when the US thew their weight around
He wasn't in France at the time, though. Once you're in, though, we're not supposed to kick you out if we know you might get killed. This may actually have evolved in recent years, sadly.
But diplomacy is a bitch yeah.
I reckon it would be a very different answer if he made his request right now, though!
No. When there were large bunches of refuges trying to escape from camps from the middle east, Canada refused entry to any any male 16 years or older for asylum. Women and small children were okish, but males were right fucked and flat refused. And I think that's still on the books yet today.
Canada, for all the "feel good" they have from others in the world, has as much history of cruelty to outsiders as any other western nation. And don't look to closely into why the Geneva Convention exists today either. They just hide it better.
Well, young guys that are not immediately employable are gonna be super difficult to integrate, to be fair. It sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you have a solid way to help them and what country actually has that, really?
So if you have no skills, you need not apply. Just starve and die where you are or perhaps be killed outright by others. But the US is expected to take in 1000s of such people right?
See, you are no better than the US in many ways. You just have a better PR team.....
Canada has the same policy. It was challenged and allowed to lapse by Harper, though, IIRC. I wouldn't bet my life on it today.
I absolutely disagree with all this garbage, and I refuse to leave. I played chess with a Venezuelan homie in a shelter several times and i think one time he pretended to lose his queen, because he always otherwise destroyed me. I guess i shouldn't worry anymore, because why would i care if my friend was sent away
Unless you’re indigenous. Then you’ll get thrown into a mass grave, and the authorities won’t do a thing about it when you’re discovered.
Indigenous women are still kidnapped and forcefully sterilized
...Which is no longer happening
Bullshit. Plenty of studies and news stories covering the continued violence against Canadian indigenous, and the refusal of the government to properly address or investigate the problem.
Proof? You're making the claims the burden of evidence is on you.
As far as I know the two women killed in Manitoba were the result of a serial killer and Wab did the right thing.
We definitely treat our indigenous poorly but as far as I know we are no longer throwing them in mass graves.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/canada
Which mass graves have you known about as they were being filled, rather than when they were discovered after the fact? How can you possibly confidently proclaim it’s not happening anymore, as indigenous peoples (especially women and children) continue to go missing in high numbers?
Are they actively murdering and burying indigenous people in mass graves? This report is on the historical failings of the government as it pertains to 2022.
To be clear as of that report the government was not acknowledging their failures to account for and prevent these atrocities not that they were actively committing them.
Oh. You’re a genocide denier.
I don't think the genocide is active anymore, this is a super weird hill to die on. To be honest Canada has a LONG way to go in terms of reconciliation. land acknowledgements, etc are a super fake check mark to be "native friendly" but they are a step in the right direction. No, Canadians are not actively murdering first Nations and burying them in mass graves.
Yes, the there still is some cultural genocide and the communities are still absolutely struggling to recover from being completely fucked by the Catholic Church and the Canadian government with residential schools, rascism, reserve system and destruction of food sources.
Pick your battles better.
But we will sterilize you without your permission if you are a native!
Will you do that for non natives too? Asking for me
Get a good tan and I'm sure they will find time for you.
I am tan, and a free Song and dance is appealing. Tell me more
Yeah, but foreign visitors wouldn't have to worry about that.
Proof we still do this to any indigenous people at any time in the 21st century?
https://nwac.ca/policy/forced-sterilization
https://apnews.com/article/canada-indigenous-women-sterilization-apology-reparations-ebcacc0f27b8d4c12d8690718202531d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#Canada
And don't complain about losing your land for a pipeline.
“lethal overwatch is req’d” “use as much violence toward the gate as you want”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/20/canada-indigenous-land-defenders-police-documents
You guys taking electricians? I'm pretty sure I can chug syrup, and I can start using "eh" more, eh?
Most trades are provincial jurisdiction (including electricians), so pick a province and look at their requirements for foreign trained electricians.
For example, to get your ticket in Ontario you'll need to look into the trade 309A (Construction and Maintenance Electrician) or 442A (Industrial Electrician), verify your work experience, and take an equivalency exam to test your knowledge. I'd recommend reading up on CEC requirements (very similar to NEC but there are differences).
https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/experienced-workers/trade-equivalency-assessment/
Excellent. This is exactly the kind of advice I've been looking for. Thank you!
No problem!
I should also mention that electricians are part of the federal Red Seal program, so once you're licensed you can pretty easily move provinces without needing to recertify (though you still have to register with that province's trades regulator and follow their regulations instead).
You joke, but that shit is infectious.
Don't know about electricians specifically but AFAIK we have a general shortage of skilled trades related to construction so I wouldn't be surprised if we are short on electricians too. You'd probably have to do some recertification.
Yes.
No, you'll do something worse. You'll send me back to America. :(
Well... There was that time the RCMP provided bogus, seemingly fabricated information to the CIA resulting in Meher Arar's extraordinary rendition and ten months of torture. For no obvious reason.
https://bulletin-archives.caut.ca/bulletin/articles/2006/12/arar-case-has-implications-for-us-all-panel-says
Sorry to be a pedant, but it's Salvadoran, not "El Salvadorian".
Does this imply there is a Canadian process to throw people into an El Salvadorian Gulag?
They’re called “residential schools” in Canada.
The last residential school closed in 1997 and the government has since profusely apologized for their part in this disgusting history. Where is evidence this is still carrying on in the 21st century?
Here’s a report from human rights watch: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/canada
Nothing in there is stating the government is murdering indigenous people and burying them in mass graves.
Only during war time when they get feeling like Geneva checklist.
I'm like 3 steps away from applying for Permanent Residence. The best year of my life was when I worked in Toronto, and that was before the orange turd came back in and expedited my desire to be literally anywhere but here.
I would, the problem is getting back into the US.
Screw going back. If I had an easy way to leave the country and renounce my US citizenship to become the citizen of a different nation, I would. Not sure if I'd necessarily want to do so in Canada, seeing as its southern border is touching this rotten hell-on-earth icon of hubris, but it would still be a welcome start.
I have a job and family here, and this is where my wife’s support system is. Uprooting her and taking her away from the kids and the rest of the family would be a huge decision to make.
We’ve legitimately discussed it, but in the short term we decided me leaving the country, even for work, just can’t happen. If they are revoking green cards on a whim… I just can’t chance it.
Just so that you know, I tried to blow the hair away three times.
❤️
Is this AI
Yep
This is surprising good. Seems it can do cartoon hands better than real hands. What clued you off to it being AI?
Some recent AI model does this style of drawing for comics. https://lemmy.world/post/27797997
That's kind of an interesting concept, being able to detect AI art by the model's "style"
The yellow tour bus was the biggest clue to me, after that I started noticing other things. In Canada yellow buses are for school, tour buses are usually red and white.
No, this is Patrick.
Native Americans in Canada have entered the chat. 😒
They don't like to be called that just fyi
I am aware that, in the United States at least, they care to be called American Indians. But in the interest of accuracy I made a choice.
Here we say indigenous or First Nations peoples.
Ah, TIL
Thanks
I'm American, I can't afford too
so many people in my life are talking about leaving to come to BC. are trump refugees something you guys would actually be cool with? I know some people in the world would resent us for not staying and doing what we can to clean his shit show up
I'm not gonna blame anyone for fleeing fascism. At least if you leave, they're not getting your tax dollars* or labour.
That said, be aware that there is a housing crisis in Canada, and it's most severe in the metro Vancouver area.
*I think you would actually have to renounce US citizenship for this to be true, but I'm also unsure how aggressively the IRS would pursue tax collection from emigrants.
As a general rule, people with US citizenship working in most other countries still have to file US taxes, but they end up owing nothing. There's a big exemption for wages earned in other countries, so unless you're making a lot of money and simultaneously living in a place with very low taxes, your payment will be $0. This sometimes affects say bankers who move to Switzerland where they make a lot of money and don't pay much in taxes. But, for most jurisdictions (including Canada) the taxes are more-or-less on par with the US or higher so you don't end up owing anything.
Thanks, yes! That sounds much more correct.
All I could remember is that my partner's US-born family members have periodically been paranoid about filing US taxes due to changes over the years, but not the specifics.
Most of them have renounced, but apparently that started costing thousands of dollars some years ago, so some remain dual citizens.
that's fair we have a house shortage too but not because of a shortage of houses. I came from an area were people were fighting eachother for places to live so I don't personally want to exacerbate your guys' situation. I'll keep studying languages, thank you for your answer
To be clear, that wasn't meant as a discouragement, more just as a heads-up on what to expect.
It's "better" in smaller towns, but that comes at the cost of less infrastructure and services.
Imo it's been pretty predictable for years that we might need to absorb a lot of US emigrants, and while it's very popular to blame the housing crisis on new arrivals, it's fundamentally the result of decades of policy failures by successive governments of a country that relies heavily on immigration.
That said, there are probably better options for those who can afford it.
If you want to come to BC, prepare to make less money and pay more for housing
As so.eone whose rent has doubled in 4 years without moving, I've been prepping for that for years.
With due process you say?
I wouldn't risk it Canada. The US is diseased and the illness needs to run its course.
Can you make one exception.... maybe like five, or a few hundred. I have a list.
at this point, I’d do unpaid labor for Canadian citizenship and my life would still probably improve drastically.
Hey, I would love to move to Canada as I unfortunately live in a shitty place but I cannot do that unless I can get a work visa and it's hard to get that. If anyone has a solution, I would love to hear it
So you're saying there's a chance?
Eh!
Can I get one of those Starlight tours I heard about?
Sounds real cool.
No, sorry they are seasonal
Not cold enough?
Ya. The starlight tours were done on dunks in the middle of winter. Hypothermia killed them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths