Eh, they could still do the scummy shit Apple and Google were doing to each other with SMS. Start encoding "extra features" in the standard messages and pushing that garbage out to the rest of the network. Or hit it with a 51% attack and scramble everything that can't defederate fast enough. Still problematic.
I think that 51% of the fediverese even for Google is too complicated, even if he gets such a large instance, it's in the fediverse only one more and it can easy be blocked and excludet by any other instance (several thousend), as it also ocurres with some Nazi instances (Gab and others). Although some instances are small,chow does Google intend to control the instance that a guy has created for him and his friends on his own server? it is in the nature of this decentralized system, self-hosted in private servers, that it cannot be controlled as a whole by a single entity, as is done in traditional monolithic social networks, such as Reddit, X, Meta, . ....it's like trying to eat a broth with a fork-
There are already many instances created by corporations, companies, official and gov sites, NASA, ESA, informations media and journalists in the fediverse, coming from all over the world and all hosted on their own servers. It only stands to reason that they're going to tell Google to hell if it try to take control of them. Google has a lot of servers, but can only control these, but not others.
I'm not betting on the 51%, but it's still on the table. I'm more convinced they'll start throwing garbage over the protocol and uninformed users will migrate to instances that support that garbage because of peer pressure, features, or just wanting to get rid of the encoded messages. It'll turn into the green chat bubble argument with some people feeling their instance is superior in the way it deals with it.
I would like a future where smaller companies set up instances and compete with each other rather than one big evil business in control, and "normies" should be invited here, Don't like the mentality of everything new being the special little club for the early adopters.
Yeah, that "exclusivity" attitude is the worst. I welcome anyone to the fediverse! The nature of the fediverse prevents any one entity from "fucking it up", as the image claims; if you don't like an instance or the instances it federates with, move to a different one that is more in-line with your values.
I can see a world where when the Fediverse/Lemmy grows more, a big corporation buys out the top 10 (or whatever) Lemmy instances, combines them and defederates from all other instances. Add a new frontend, a shitty app, and run ads and et voilà.
The majority of users ("normies") won't switch instances and so the cycle repeats.
I agree, instead of feeling confident an enemy is defeated with the first defense, you should always assume it’s feigning defeat for the next attempt. Money is a huge motivator, you can never feel safe from paid actors they’ll always bleed in through the cracks.
Especially when firms see us as something new to leech onto with claims of being untouchable. It’s like we’re taunting them. 😣
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I guess we're at the normie stage since OP apparently doesn't know how this meme works.
It's "minions man presents my opinions" isn't it?
They can't fuck off the fediverse, only their own instances. That is the advantage of decentralized networks.
Eh, they could still do the scummy shit Apple and Google were doing to each other with SMS. Start encoding "extra features" in the standard messages and pushing that garbage out to the rest of the network. Or hit it with a 51% attack and scramble everything that can't defederate fast enough. Still problematic.
I think that 51% of the fediverese even for Google is too complicated, even if he gets such a large instance, it's in the fediverse only one more and it can easy be blocked and excludet by any other instance (several thousend), as it also ocurres with some Nazi instances (Gab and others). Although some instances are small,chow does Google intend to control the instance that a guy has created for him and his friends on his own server? it is in the nature of this decentralized system, self-hosted in private servers, that it cannot be controlled as a whole by a single entity, as is done in traditional monolithic social networks, such as Reddit, X, Meta, . ....it's like trying to eat a broth with a fork- There are already many instances created by corporations, companies, official and gov sites, NASA, ESA, informations media and journalists in the fediverse, coming from all over the world and all hosted on their own servers. It only stands to reason that they're going to tell Google to hell if it try to take control of them. Google has a lot of servers, but can only control these, but not others.
I'm not betting on the 51%, but it's still on the table. I'm more convinced they'll start throwing garbage over the protocol and uninformed users will migrate to instances that support that garbage because of peer pressure, features, or just wanting to get rid of the encoded messages. It'll turn into the green chat bubble argument with some people feeling their instance is superior in the way it deals with it.
They can fuck off, but not so easily fuck up the fediverse!
That’s the good thing. If big tech fucks up again, we can simply move to another instance.
That’s actually a good idea.
Make every post NSFW
Aaah not again
Maybe this was 4chans strategy the whole time after all
That's Tumblr's strategy :P It seems to be working okay.
They were doing that shit all over reddit. It was rampant with blatant product placement.
I would like a future where smaller companies set up instances and compete with each other rather than one big evil business in control, and "normies" should be invited here, Don't like the mentality of everything new being the special little club for the early adopters.
Yeah, that "exclusivity" attitude is the worst. I welcome anyone to the fediverse! The nature of the fediverse prevents any one entity from "fucking it up", as the image claims; if you don't like an instance or the instances it federates with, move to a different one that is more in-line with your values.
Or even make your own, with blackjack and hookers!
I welcome everyone except corporations really
That goes strongly against the mechanics of how capitalism works. Markets tend toward monopolies over time.
not always tbh.
If certain confounding factors prevent it, sure. Can you name a confounding factor in this case?
I can see a world where when the Fediverse/Lemmy grows more, a big corporation buys out the top 10 (or whatever) Lemmy instances, combines them and defederates from all other instances. Add a new frontend, a shitty app, and run ads and et voilà.
The majority of users ("normies") won't switch instances and so the cycle repeats.
You are right. That's awful. Be right back, making my own instance and trying get it into the top ten ones.
But we can just de-federate if it turns to shit and lock them out.
Its impossible though to get rid of paid actors that mingle to spread ads or agendas and who are indiscernable from normal users.
As soon as the reach is there I assume capital interests will be flocking in
I agree, instead of feeling confident an enemy is defeated with the first defense, you should always assume it’s feigning defeat for the next attempt. Money is a huge motivator, you can never feel safe from paid actors they’ll always bleed in through the cracks. Especially when firms see us as something new to leech onto with claims of being untouchable. It’s like we’re taunting them. 😣