/s is an excellent modifier for sarcasm. There's no tone in text and bold/italic can only do so much. And with how many absolute crackpots are posting all over the internet, I'd prefer to be sure to not lump in a jokester with the absolute nutjobs.
That’s the only legitimate defense for having to tag your sarcasm I’ve ever read.
Back in MY DAY, nobody tagged their sarcasm on BBS or IRC and we ALL UNDERSTOOD AAAAA (but srsly for folks who have trouble with tone you’re fully right.)
What are you talking about? Even usenet in the 80s recommended using emoticons to mark sarcasm/joking remarks.
Avoid sarcasm and facetious remarks.
Without the voice inflection and body language of personal
communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways
smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an
indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric
item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to
you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.
This. I remember having a text file of emoticons back in the day because I couldn't remember what they were supposed to mean (and often didn't mean what I thought). :-/
That’s a valid point! I forgot now many emoticons I’d use back then. I’ve always hated pointing out my sarcasm using extra things, though… I prefer to do it using italics, which is reeeeal helpful on Reddit where it goes over nobody’s heads at all.
As someone with autism, I’m here to say that it is actually the opposite of helpful.
People need challenges in order to grow. They need opportunities to fail.
Putting training wheels on sarcasm makes autistic people even further behind the social curve by depriving us of opportunities to fail.
Much like a sterile childhood environment has been scientifically proven to be a causal factor in developing allergies as an adult, I predict that science will eventually establish a causal link between lack of ambiguous communication during developmental years, and reduced intelligence in life.
Human society is so fucking hard to understand for an autistic person, and I really appreciate your looking out for me, but the struggle is worth it, and human culture is intricate and beautiful, and that’s why I chose this username.
Okay but lots of other autistic people I know really appreciate tone indicators so you cannot really speak for everyone. Not to mention, why does knowing that something was meant to be sarcastic hinder learning instead of essentially guessing?
You misunderstand, this is from my own perspective as an autistic person.
Plus, the lack of tone of voice over text can make communication harder, for everyone. It’s literally just a tool for communication, clearing up what you mean.
But that's the point of sarcasm. Jonathan Swift got lots of death threats by mail after writing "A Modest Proposal," and he expected it! If someone doesn't want to risk being misunderstood, they should not write the opposite of what they mean.
People on Reddit are scared of downvotes affecting their karma score, so they have to tag controversial comments to make it absolutely clear if their comment is sarcasm.
I have used it because my sarcastic comment, read at face value, might encourage someone to support something I despise. I'm not interested in creating or bolstering that shit, I just want to make fun of it. Karma points never had anything to do with it. I had millions but what's a million nothings, still nothing. Reddit Karma is just multiplying by zero.
Personally I used it to keep shinigami eyes users from tagging my then-universal handle as problematic when I made an off-color joke. I've been banned from subreddits I never heard of because of something I said as a joke in a totally different subreddit
"If you want to tell a joke in which the humor is derived from you saying something incorrect, or something that would be offensive if you genuinely believed it, you should instead just say the actual truth and never use sarcasm again"
That's actually such a good idea, it would make life on the internet so much better /s
If you want to make a joke, assume that some people won't get it. If you don't want any ambiguity then no, do not use sarcasm. If you write "/s", you're not being sarcastic at all, you're just using a double negative.
That's the best part of internet sarcasm. There is little in this world that is more fun than a 6 reply deep argument between someone making serious counterpoints to my sarcastic comments, while I try to see how much more sarcastic I can become before they figure it out.
/S Is aN ExCeLlEnT MoDiFiEr fOr sArCaSm. ThErE'S No tOnE In tExT AnD BoLd/iTaLiC CaN OnLy dO So mUcH. aNd wItH HoW MaNy aBsOlUtE CrAcKpOtS ArE PoStInG AlL OvEr tHe iNtErNeT, i'd pReFeR To bE SuRe tO NoT LuMp iN A JoKeStEr wItH ThE AbSoLuTe nUtJoBs.
I'd much rather "/s" than this. Though the difference may be small, this text reads as sardonic, while sarcasm may not always be meant in a mocking tone. Plus readability is important to me.
That's the whole point of sarcasm though, that the delivery seems genuine. Don't write the opposite of what you mean if you aren't willing to have some people misunderstand you.
And yes, people who use sarcastic tone in conversation are also missing the point. They also should not say the opposite of what they mean.
Sarcasm was developed in spoken word. If you are using the written word, it needs to be painfully obvious if you want the meaning to come across. But due to Poe's Law, that's becoming harder and harder these days. Especially in the political and human rights discussion.
No one is forcing you to use /s. But shitting on people using it because you don't think it's "pure" is asinine and also abelism.
Or "for the sake of Lemmy, don't..." or something along those lines when you disagree with someone.
Isn't proper discussion supposed to have disagreement? Was the point of Lemmy to create a centrist echo chamber? People should disagree sometimes, we have to be reminded to consider outside perspectives sometimes, even if we don't like that perspective.
And it is not even only neurodivergent people where /s is helpful. You dont hear the tone of voice of people in the internet which is used to indicate sarcasm irl. I would rather use an /s than people misunderstanding what I wrote abd maybe them thinking I am some kind of conspiracy idiot
Poe’s “Law” is a simple self-fulfilling declaration that communication has failed. It’s not even a postulate about the nature of reality. It’s a declaration that we give up.
To call something like that a “Law” is ridiculous.
Declaring that confusion exists is a way to create confusion.
"This website that I and others like me decided to migrate to is much better than the place I left. That must mean everyone who decided to come here is super smart!"
It made more sense on forums and imageboards but how it became popular on a site with built in voting I'll never understand. Just people looking for attention and validation I guess.
Maybe, but it seems all the people who think they are better than everyone else because they downloaded a different social media app made their way over here as well.
Bashing denizens who decide to denote their sarcasm is as /stupid as bashing those who don't. "Oh no, now that the tone has been set the point is ruined!" Gosh, it must suck to be you, I'm genuinely sorry this is the way your brain works.
It's not that the point is ruined. It's that it's no longer sarcasm. The whole point of sarcasm is that it seems like the message is genuine. Ironically, using /s makes a statement unsarcastic.
In cases where the /s tag is used instead of sarcasm being interpreted successfully, there’s no mechanism to determine how well bonded and ready for complex communication a group is.
It’s similar to banter, where one insults one’s friends in good fun. It’s a readiness test. The guy who gets insulted by your banter isn’t ready to communicate at a complex level with you.
Same for people who can’t figure out when you’re being sarcastic.
Misinterpretation of sarcasm is a canary in the coal mine, an indicator that complex topics aren’t going to be successfully discussed here, because there’s too much misinterpretation happening.
Sarcasm is incredibly difficult to interpret over text unless you personally know the person doing it. That's highly unlikely on the Internet, and honestly it's just an easy thing to do to ensure people that have difficulty interpreting tone through text can be included. To me, bitching about tone indicators is like bitching over subtitles. It's not meant for you.
Nah, I still use it. You have to. The tone of voice is non existent. Sarcasm is indistinguishable from stupidity. It's impossible to tell and be right all the time without /s. It's just responsible posting to include it.
Without it, if your sarcastic enough often enough, you'll run into people who unironically agree with you on whatever you've sarcastically said. /s reminds those people who agree with whatever you've said that they are stupid.
Yeah, all those stupid people who want to be kind to neurodivergents, understand that sarcasm is a tonal change which can't be read in text, or don't want their comments to give quarter to shitty people /s
Maybe don't call people stupid when all you're doing is whining about how language changes, a thing that languages do. It's kind of... telling on yourself, ya know?
We have editable titles and I see far worse titles, title grammar, and title punctuation in here than on reddit. Do you really think there's no stupid here?
About what, exactly? I can't be the only one seeing almost 0 effort in post titles on lemmy. How hard can it be to just....edit your shitty titles once you spot a typo, at least? Also, I'm only giving examples of that sort because this stupid ass post is equating typing "/s" to stupidity. Seems only fair to reply with an example of similar levels.
I've also been seeing the typos in titles on Lemmy. It's unfortunate, though I think it's getting slightly better. My paranoid self thinks that maybe Reddit peeps are intentionally trying to make Lemmy look dumb and are also the same script kiddies that pulled the whole hack that happened. I have to remind myself how unlikely this is lol
Why does '/s', an Internet signal to communicate sarcasm through a medium that does not adequately do so bother you?
Regarding what you're really saying: reddit is here. I had every post of mine downvoted into oblivion by bots because I essentially said that as parents we shouldn't punish our children for having views that are slightly out of line with our own. The obsession, knee jerk reactions and hive mind mentality are here to stay. As someone who was on the site since 2010: this is the most reddit fucking post ever.
No, those people came over too. I posted something that I thought was very obvious satire and had someone think I was serious because I did not end it in "/s".
With the enormity of our community it's really hard to judge by mere text if what we read online is serious or not. Since all of us here do not know each other personally, we do not have context on what the poster's disposition or their character is. Thus we cannot judge the text based on that. And of course what others might consider as unrealistic might be normal to other people's point of view. So I think it's okay to be on the side of caution and add /s just in case.
Happened to me too and it always disappoints me a little, but I figure if someone doesn't get something that is just blatant sarcasm, that's not on me.
As long as it's not every 2-3 words or as cryptic as hieroglyphs, I think decent emoji usage can be acceptable. Like everything, moderation tastes best. 🍻
In the Beginning, there was the Word, and the Word was God.
A-well-a everybody's heard about the 𓄿!
𓅀 𓅁 𓅂, b-𓅃's the word
A-well-a 𓅄 𓅅 𓅆, 𓅇 is the word
A-well-a 𓅈 𓅉 𓅊, well-a 𓅋 is the word
A-well-a 𓅌 𓅍 𓅎, b-𓅏's the word
A-well-a 𓅐 𓅑 𓅒, well-a 𓅓 is the word
A-well-a 𓅔, 𓅕, b-𓅖's the word
A-well-a 𓅗 𓅘 𓅙, b-𓅚's the word
A-well-a 𓅛 𓅜 𓅝, well-a 𓅞 is the word
A-well-a 𓅟, 𓅠, b-𓅡's the word
A-well-a don't you know, about the 𓅢?
Well, everybody knows that the 𓅣 is the word!
A-well-a 𓅤, 𓅥, b-𓅦's the 𓅧
A-well-a
A-well-a everybody's heard, about the 𓅨!
𓅩 𓅪 𓅫, b-𓅬's the word
A-well-a 𓅭 𓅮 𓅯, b-𓅰's the word
A-well-a 𓅱 𓅲 𓅳, b-𓅴's the word
A-well-a 𓅵, 𓅶, b-𓅷's the word
A-well-a 𓅸, b-bird's the word
A-well-a 𓅹, b-𓅺's the word
(Side note: those aren't emoji, actual Ejyptian Heiroglyphs have a Unicode block, range U+13000..U+1342F.)
Chances are that Lemmy has about the same makeup of people as Reddit, mostly. I'd say that where the difference lies is in the amount of tolerance they have for Reddit shenanigans.
Stupidity on the internet is amplified with resonance. One says something stupid, trolls or being rude, the other responds and the intelectual level of the discussion is plummeting. So my theory at least is that there's about the same percentage of "stupid". We just haven't yet reached critical mass.
Hmmm. That time I convinced some kid to "roleplay" as this other guys dead wife in order to give him closure so he would give the kid money in some game is likely my greatest hit.
Edit: I should mention that the guy with the "dead wife" ended up being a popular GTA roleplay comedy streamer with an improvisation game that's hard to beat. This was years before any of that though and on an mmo. https://m.twitch.tv/miltontpike1
We are enlightened acorporal beings of pure thaougt living on this rarerified plane of dotworld. We need no hashtags to convey our multivariate meanings. Each word has 1000 facets that are immediately understood by fellow Lemmingtons. Truly we are blessed.
I find myself using it less on lemmy, but I think I have used it on occasion here, just to help to "distance" myself from whatever crazy shit I've commented. Ever since 2016, it's been a necessity when you can't rely on people to assume you're not as batshit crazy as what your comment reads as, which you really can't assume of anyone anymore. I've had plenty of times where I wrote a sarcastic comment in order to make fun of an idea, only to have people (who I'm pretty sure actually agreed with me) explicitly make the point that I was attempting to make through sarcasm, but they're attacking me because they think I'm an idiot (which is still possible).
Point taken. I suppose I mean sarcasm not satire. /s is really a sarcasm indicator, not just satire.
There are, however, other instances of satire that aren't text based such as much movies (eg dr strangelove, Galaxy quest) or spoof movies as well as most political cartoons. But those sometimes are misunderstood as serious as well.
Sarcasm comes across much better in person than via text, which I'm sure you agree with.
Sarcasm comes across much better in person than via text, which I’m sure you agree with.
I completely disagree. Body language betrays your sarcasm much more easily in person. In text is where it's much easier to hide the meaning you are trying to convey and confuse your audience.
Yeah, sarcasm isn't meant to trick people. They are supposed to understand that it's sarcasm. That's what I meant when it comes across better in person. People get that it's sarcasm because of that body language.
edit Wait a tick, you're "sarcasm"ing me, aren't you!?
It's really not. Satire just isn't for you if you don't want risk being misunderstood. You don't write the opposite of what you mean if you must be understood clearly the first time.
For the most part yeah. I've gotten in some arguments here, and lemmygrad is pretty damn dumb, but the problematic people for the most part stay on their toxic instances that get defederated. They're isolating themselves for us which is nice.
For the more part, like 95% of the people here are cool and more understanding. I also like chill conversation on c/cafe (still figuring out how to link stuff on mobile lol).
This site is also pretty damn active now. I see front page posts getting 1k+ updoots now, which was far from the case before! Still have the issue of smaller communities getting buried and rare to pop up on the front page though. Reddit was much better about that in balancing small communties to show up more instead of being dominated by popular ones.
By making people smarter and better acquainted with one another.
When the society’s too big to know everyone, we rely on shared culture to know things about the people we’re talking to.
Poe’s Law is a (cynical, defeatist, self-fulfilling) declaration that we have lost cultural cohesiveness as a society.
We need to take risks in order to adapt and survive. And the risk that some internet stranger might miss your sarcasm in a comment is such a small risk it’s extremely bad news if we become so risk intolerant we won’t venture some unmarked sarcasm.
The whole point of sarcasm is that it signals cooperation and cohesion between two minds. It’s like a handshake. Don’t underestimate culture just because it doesn’t seem to have a function.
Sarcasm is like the appendix. Useless until we figure out what it’s useful for.
What's stopping me from deploying sarcasm as a means of poor-faith social manipulation against those who believe that?
I'd love it if everyone was educated with at least some core values to relate to, but we live in this current reality where a dumb-fuck can lure people to Romania by preying on similar social comforts.
Trusting your fellow humans isn't inherently wrong, but people also believe Trump is going to jump-start the rapture. The /s is such a minor addition that costs me almost nothing to deploy and benefits everyone. The negatives to people responding to /s, like getting irrationally upset, are worth it compared to the negatives of assuming everyone has 'common sense', like the methodical social degradation from predators.
So... make an echochamber and have everyone circlejerk each other...
Look while it sounds bad, you really cant have many worthwhile discussions if you only talk to the people you agree with, (ie. Like minded individuals) you need to talk to people that dont agree with you and that means that is very likely they dont think like you and things like sarcasm can go over their heads and think you are being genuine while you are not. So i say stick wit the " /s" thing
Oh, dear me, no. A lot of people got BANNED from reddit, many of them long before the great Fumbling of the APIs. Who do you think showed up to Lemmy first?
Not exactly the purpose of the Philosoraptor meme but oh well. Depending on how you define "stupid", there are stupid people even in a small room full of MBAs.
I'm not even religious, but I should probably just block [email protected] (or is it [email protected]?) because I can't stand the smug comics that keep showing up in my feed
I'm pretty sure I have friends that use reddit the way reddit wants and have 100% missed the entire protest and API change. I don't know why they don't just use instagram or such. It does what reddit itself wants to do far better.
No, the whole point of sarcasm is that it’s so easy to miss that it reinforces the (unspoken) real point you’re making.
With sarcasm, you’re deliberately making a statement that doesn’t make sense, in order to sort of say “You already know the answer to that, and to demonstrate it to you I’m going to give you the wrong answer and you’re going to know it’s the wrong answer”.
Like if someone says “Tomorrow we’re going to have a construction crew running a jackhammer all day in the hallway outside this office”, and someone responds with “Oh that oughta be helpful”, the real message is:
The jackhammer will NOT be helpful
I trust that everyone listening agrees with me
In order to demonstrate how much we’re in agreement, I will state the exact opposite
When you hear me state that opposite, your brain will reject it as nonsense
It’s a way to emphasize the unarguable truth of a statement: you say the opposite as a demonstration to the listener that they cannot take it at face value.
Used to see that mentality heaps on Twitter, that X isn't up for debate etc. People should really go back there if that's how they want to engage in their online discourse, the point of the fediverse isn't to be another echo chamber.
Either someones personal opinion, a hot take based on their own perspective or something similar. There's plenty of discourse that could happen here but these people just want their own echo chamber
It's mostly a multi-tweet long religious rant. The overall content itself isn't important, the main point being that they're not interested in any actual debate, they just want to dump their opinions out there and position it as fact.
Sounds like most people on the internet; just shitting opinions out into the open internet and completely unwilling to accept that people might have their own opinions on your opinions.
I'm not really interested in opening a link to that site. I was more asking you to list, in your own words, an example or two of topics you think should be up for debate.
All topics should always be up for debate. If you're putting an idea forward in a diverse circumstance you'd better be prepared to debate it. Anything else just seems petty and acting like the victim.
A comic that shows a good example of misogyny. Bigots who hate women use the term "feminist" to attack women. It's the same shit as complaining there's no "White History Month". The point of those terms is to promote equality while calling out the oppression of said group that needs their rights protected. But attacking verbiage that everyone understands is a way for bigots to dogwhistle and attack those groups.
And addressing your poor comment further: you're part of the problem for believing the original comic is actuate or agreeable in any way. Bullshitting the general statement that you're about equality is a joke. Yeah? How about the equality of people in Africa compared to feminists in America? You feminists gearing up to tackle that inequality any time soon? No? So obviously your focus is much more restricted, and that's fine. Just stop the bullshit. Feminism is not and never was for progressing anything but female equality, so stop virtue signaling that it's about equality for all when that's clearly not the case.
And people are sick of having their rights "debated" when they themselves are safe from any consequences. Be happy your rights aren't threatened in the same way.
If it was a right, it would be outlined in the constitution. You're talking about perceived rights. And for men to a small extent they all ready are. You accidentally get a women pregnant? Oops, they can force you to pay child support until that child is 18. If you're a real "femanist", this should clearly be wrong to you. Women deserve the right to decide to have a baby before a set timeline. But if women get the right to choose, as much as I love women, you're on you're own when it comes to child support unless the man originally agrees to the child. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The issue occurs when purported facts are just merely opinions or regurgitating talking points, you used to see it heaps on Twitter, someone alright posting their mini rant and sprinkling in "facts"
The thing is at some point people with hateful messages win simply by debating and putting their hate out there. Choosing not to engage is everyone's right, nobody is obligated to debate anything.
Exactly. There are those few who are willing, able and good at debating hate mongers so that others can see. Most people aren't and that's fine. Hate doesn't deserve the attention; it deserves being ostracized.
It shuts down discussion that could sway people reading the discussion by not explaining why it is true and also shutting down anyone else trying to explain. I see it most frequently used by people who had a discussion sometime in the past and don't seem to understand that not everyone was there at the time.
Like I agree that a woman is the only one who should decide if she should terminate a pregnancy, but when that is the response any time someone asks why there is no opportunity for someone to explain why that is true for people who haven't ever had it explained to them. They don't have to explain, but they also don't need to shut down discussion.
Nobody is obligated to explain repeatedly the same point to every lazy idiot who can bother to STFW before asking a question. And then you have sealions and people JAQing off.
No, "they" don't need to shut it down, but "they" might want to and that's OK. If we're talking about forum mods, they might use their judgement to decide they don't want their platform to be a space for debating something that threatens the safety of their users.
You want to make your own forum where anyone can debate anything, then absolutely go right ahead. Doesn't mean somebody else can't make a forum they refuse to allow debate on certain issues.
The comic clearly illustrates its point and that reply is succinct. If you have a problem with the verbiage, perhaps you should educate yourself on why it was chosen. You and I both know what it means. The man in that comic is a misogynist attacking women. You and I both know that, too.
First, let me say I support women's rights and the advancement of women.
Getting down to your reply, though, this has to be one of the most misguided and poorest attempts at a response. You seem to misunderstand my point, and you make numerous assumptions without a bit of evidence and act like you have some secret knowledge. We both know that? No. We don't. I agree with femanism being about the advancement of females. My argument is that feminism is not in any way about overall equality. It's about equality for women. And I support that. But don't feed me your bullshit line that it's about equality.
I've always refused to accept that the state of society and online discourse was so bad that /s was necessary. On reddit it would lead to constant confusion and downvotes. Feels nice that that hasn't happened here.
I have never seen "/s" in general, not even on Reddit. Either I was only being active in very specific subreddits, or I'm probably just bad at remembering things. And since I love shaming myself, could you please hit that downvote button? Thanks.
/s is an excellent modifier for sarcasm. There's no tone in text and bold/italic can only do so much. And with how many absolute crackpots are posting all over the internet, I'd prefer to be sure to not lump in a jokester with the absolute nutjobs.
Also helpful for people with trouble reading tone in text cuz of things like autism.
It wouldn't be the first time I get myself into a trouble because of that :(
Source: me
...and writing tone... for the same reasons. 😬
That’s the only legitimate defense for having to tag your sarcasm I’ve ever read.
Back in MY DAY, nobody tagged their sarcasm on BBS or IRC and we ALL UNDERSTOOD AAAAA (but srsly for folks who have trouble with tone you’re fully right.)
What are you talking about? Even usenet in the 80s recommended using emoticons to mark sarcasm/joking remarks.
Source
This. I remember having a text file of emoticons back in the day because I couldn't remember what they were supposed to mean (and often didn't mean what I thought). :-/
That’s a valid point! I forgot now many emoticons I’d use back then. I’ve always hated pointing out my sarcasm using extra things, though… I prefer to do it using italics, which is reeeeal helpful on Reddit where it goes over nobody’s heads at all.
As someone with autism, I’m here to say that it is actually the opposite of helpful.
People need challenges in order to grow. They need opportunities to fail.
Putting training wheels on sarcasm makes autistic people even further behind the social curve by depriving us of opportunities to fail.
Much like a sterile childhood environment has been scientifically proven to be a causal factor in developing allergies as an adult, I predict that science will eventually establish a causal link between lack of ambiguous communication during developmental years, and reduced intelligence in life.
Human society is so fucking hard to understand for an autistic person, and I really appreciate your looking out for me, but the struggle is worth it, and human culture is intricate and beautiful, and that’s why I chose this username.
Okay but lots of other autistic people I know really appreciate tone indicators so you cannot really speak for everyone. Not to mention, why does knowing that something was meant to be sarcastic hinder learning instead of essentially guessing?
You misunderstand, this is from my own perspective as an autistic person. Plus, the lack of tone of voice over text can make communication harder, for everyone. It’s literally just a tool for communication, clearing up what you mean.
But that's the point of sarcasm. Jonathan Swift got lots of death threats by mail after writing "A Modest Proposal," and he expected it! If someone doesn't want to risk being misunderstood, they should not write the opposite of what they mean.
How ever did autistic people survive before the internet to help them cope?
I mean a lot of neurodivergent people literally didn't survive until a few decades ago
Well that's a massively gross exaggeration.
To me it's born out of this moment: "Wait, will someone see this joke and think I'm serious? If they did they'd think I'm a psycho..."
That is exactly what Poe's Law is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
People on Reddit are scared of downvotes affecting their karma score, so they have to tag controversial comments to make it absolutely clear if their comment is sarcasm.
I have used it because my sarcastic comment, read at face value, might encourage someone to support something I despise. I'm not interested in creating or bolstering that shit, I just want to make fun of it. Karma points never had anything to do with it. I had millions but what's a million nothings, still nothing. Reddit Karma is just multiplying by zero.
Personally I used it to keep shinigami eyes users from tagging my then-universal handle as problematic when I made an off-color joke. I've been banned from subreddits I never heard of because of something I said as a joke in a totally different subreddit
Am i wooshing myself??
That is literally the point of sarcasm. People legitimately wanted to murder Jonathan Swift.
If you write "/s", just write the direct unironic statement in the first place.
If that were holistically true the concept of a "sarcastic tone" wouldn't exist in verbal speech.
Yes, the /s and sarcastic tone both exist and are used by people.
"If you want to tell a joke in which the humor is derived from you saying something incorrect, or something that would be offensive if you genuinely believed it, you should instead just say the actual truth and never use sarcasm again"
That's actually such a good idea, it would make life on the internet so much better /s
If you want to make a joke, assume that some people won't get it. If you don't want any ambiguity then no, do not use sarcasm. If you write "/s", you're not being sarcastic at all, you're just using a double negative.
That's not what a double negative is
That's the best part of internet sarcasm. There is little in this world that is more fun than a 6 reply deep argument between someone making serious counterpoints to my sarcastic comments, while I try to see how much more sarcastic I can become before they figure it out.
Putting a tag up absolutely ruins the fun.
I've found most people online feign sarcasm as a way to defend their ego more than anything else.
Or they imagine everyone is hating on them because they didn't get the sarcasm. No, we got the sarcasm. It's just a terrible joke.
/S Is aN ExCeLlEnT MoDiFiEr fOr sArCaSm. ThErE'S No tOnE In tExT AnD BoLd/iTaLiC CaN OnLy dO So mUcH. aNd wItH HoW MaNy aBsOlUtE CrAcKpOtS ArE PoStInG AlL OvEr tHe iNtErNeT, i'd pReFeR To bE SuRe tO NoT LuMp iN A JoKeStEr wItH ThE AbSoLuTe nUtJoBs.
I definitely prefer /s over this style of sarcasm.
I'd much rather "/s" than this. Though the difference may be small, this text reads as sardonic, while sarcasm may not always be meant in a mocking tone. Plus readability is important to me.
tHiS is only useful for short phrases. Saying more than one sentence in this style makes me just skip the paragraph because it's annoying to read.
But my false sense of entitlement!
iT Is tHE oNlY OpTiOn!
It totes is. Obvs
Right? There's literally no other way to make it clear that you're being sarcastic
I lot of use of /s just indicates that there are a lot of jaded people making snide comments. We haven't gotten to that stage yet.
/s h
Sarcasm doesn’t require tone to operate.
Poe says otherwise.
Declaring confusion to exist is a way of creating confusion.
That's the whole point of sarcasm though, that the delivery seems genuine. Don't write the opposite of what you mean if you aren't willing to have some people misunderstand you.
And yes, people who use sarcastic tone in conversation are also missing the point. They also should not say the opposite of what they mean.
Sarcasm was developed in spoken word. If you are using the written word, it needs to be painfully obvious if you want the meaning to come across. But due to Poe's Law, that's becoming harder and harder these days. Especially in the political and human rights discussion.
No one is forcing you to use /s. But shitting on people using it because you don't think it's "pure" is asinine and also abelism.
Even with my username people still don't understand.
Well, we certainly didn't leave that signature sense of superiority behind.
But I am superior
Mommy says I'm special
But your mom told me I was special
Honestly, that's so much worse here... The atheist posts are making me cringe pretty hard. I'm am atheist, so that's saying something.
It's like we got the best, and the worst, from Reddit.
Or "for the sake of Lemmy, don't..." or something along those lines when you disagree with someone.
Isn't proper discussion supposed to have disagreement? Was the point of Lemmy to create a centrist echo chamber? People should disagree sometimes, we have to be reminded to consider outside perspectives sometimes, even if we don't like that perspective.
People who need tone indicators aren't stupid
Not at all -- it's the people who use /s that are dumb.
Correct. They’re merely cognitively insufficient to successfully model the minds of the people they talk to.
Neurodivergent people exist, and they deserve respect too.
Not only neurodivergent people need the "/s". Not all subtle speech cues are easily transmitted through text.
Accessibility features help everyone, not just the disabled.
Agreed
You shouldn't need speech cues to simply not take anything seriously.
And it is not even only neurodivergent people where /s is helpful. You dont hear the tone of voice of people in the internet which is used to indicate sarcasm irl. I would rather use an /s than people misunderstanding what I wrote abd maybe them thinking I am some kind of conspiracy idiot
I’m a neurodivergent person, and I love sarcasm because I’m not a stupid neurodivergent person.
Good thing poes law doesn't exist forcing us to be more explicit about what is and isn't a joke.
Poe’s “Law” is a simple self-fulfilling declaration that communication has failed. It’s not even a postulate about the nature of reality. It’s a declaration that we give up.
To call something like that a “Law” is ridiculous.
Declaring that confusion exists is a way to create confusion.
Nice.
Nice originally meant stupid in English.
You tried too hard to sound smart here I think…
"they're merely cognitively insufficient" fucking 🤓 nerdass, go back to reddit with these reddit-ass insults
Is this a bot trynna be intensely human?
Have you never heard of autism lmao
No, I lived 40 years on this planet and never heard of autism.
I am autistic, dork.
I've run into some pretty fucking stupid people here
I thought /s meant stupid?
/s
Sure you did
I'm one of em
Oh, we've met before?
I find /s helpful :(
In a world where the most outlandish opinions are often genuine, it definitely helps to have a sarcasm indicator.
I've been experimenting with the use of '⸮'. As all the best things in language, it allows me to show off my feeling of cultured superiority⸮
(and requires a link to Wikipedia) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation
I can't find this key ANYWHERE ON MY KEYBOARD
One of these days I'm gonna get myself a space cadet keyboard so I'll have enough Bucky bits to type this stuff on my desktop.
Until then, there's always my phone's on-screen keboard, I guess¿¡⸮‽
Autism gang?
"This website that I and others like me decided to migrate to is much better than the place I left. That must mean everyone who decided to come here is super smart!"
Don't get so full of yourself that you burst.
Not a chance, I've seen quite the share of dumbass takes on here.
I’d much rather have /s than comments that start with, or just say:
This.
Absolutely annihilates my patience towards humanity.
☝️this /s
🗿
I never understood the easter island statue emoji reply, what does it mean?
My guess is that it expresses "stone face". So an expression with no emotion or a blank stare.
It's meant to resemble that black and white picture of the body building "Chad"
why, you little...!
This.
This.
That.
This
It made more sense on forums and imageboards but how it became popular on a site with built in voting I'll never understand. Just people looking for attention and validation I guess.
This is the way.
Yes! This.
I don't see any problem with comments that start with "this" and then expand on it. It's a synonym for "I concur," but doesn't sound snobby
This is some solid grade A pandering. You're aware there's no karma to farm, right?
But your karma in life will catch up.
I mean... No it won't. Like, we all know better at this point. We've all seen by how some of the worst people alive live.
Comfortably. They live comfortably.
Maybe, but it seems all the people who think they are better than everyone else because they downloaded a different social media app made their way over here as well.
Lemmy is definitely heavily skewing towards early-adopters. Doesn't mean there can't be dumb early-adopter tho.
Feeling a bit called out right now.
Congratulations on being personally calledout. You win this reply! /s
Im here though
Me too.
dum dum sounding off
Our brains so smooth, we slip through the cracks.
No we have not.
Bashing denizens who decide to denote their sarcasm is as /stupid as bashing those who don't. "Oh no, now that the tone has been set the point is ruined!" Gosh, it must suck to be you, I'm genuinely sorry this is the way your brain works.
It's not that the point is ruined. It's that it's no longer sarcasm. The whole point of sarcasm is that it seems like the message is genuine. Ironically, using /s makes a statement unsarcastic.
Well no, because the /s tag isn’t symmetrical.
In cases where the /s tag is used instead of sarcasm being interpreted successfully, there’s no mechanism to determine how well bonded and ready for complex communication a group is.
It’s similar to banter, where one insults one’s friends in good fun. It’s a readiness test. The guy who gets insulted by your banter isn’t ready to communicate at a complex level with you.
Same for people who can’t figure out when you’re being sarcastic.
Misinterpretation of sarcasm is a canary in the coal mine, an indicator that complex topics aren’t going to be successfully discussed here, because there’s too much misinterpretation happening.
Sarcasm is incredibly difficult to interpret over text unless you personally know the person doing it. That's highly unlikely on the Internet, and honestly it's just an easy thing to do to ensure people that have difficulty interpreting tone through text can be included. To me, bitching about tone indicators is like bitching over subtitles. It's not meant for you.
oh well. Worse than stupidity, we have here a strayed pedantically breeded nonsensical being.
Nah, I still use it. You have to. The tone of voice is non existent. Sarcasm is indistinguishable from stupidity. It's impossible to tell and be right all the time without /s. It's just responsible posting to include it.
Without it, if your sarcastic enough often enough, you'll run into people who unironically agree with you on whatever you've sarcastically said. /s reminds those people who agree with whatever you've said that they are stupid.
Yeah, all those stupid people who want to be kind to neurodivergents, understand that sarcasm is a tonal change which can't be read in text, or don't want their comments to give quarter to shitty people /s
Maybe don't call people stupid when all you're doing is whining about how language changes, a thing that languages do. It's kind of... telling on yourself, ya know?
Eternal September reaches every shore, sooner or later.
We have editable titles and I see far worse titles, title grammar, and title punctuation in here than on reddit. Do you really think there's no stupid here?
Well, those are the only objective standards of intelligence, even accounting perfectly for things like youth and birth languages.
Also you're just goddamn wrong.
About what, exactly? I can't be the only one seeing almost 0 effort in post titles on lemmy. How hard can it be to just....edit your shitty titles once you spot a typo, at least? Also, I'm only giving examples of that sort because this stupid ass post is equating typing "/s" to stupidity. Seems only fair to reply with an example of similar levels.
I've also been seeing the typos in titles on Lemmy. It's unfortunate, though I think it's getting slightly better. My paranoid self thinks that maybe Reddit peeps are intentionally trying to make Lemmy look dumb and are also the same script kiddies that pulled the whole hack that happened. I have to remind myself how unlikely this is lol
Why does '/s', an Internet signal to communicate sarcasm through a medium that does not adequately do so bother you?
Regarding what you're really saying: reddit is here. I had every post of mine downvoted into oblivion by bots because I essentially said that as parents we shouldn't punish our children for having views that are slightly out of line with our own. The obsession, knee jerk reactions and hive mind mentality are here to stay. As someone who was on the site since 2010: this is the most reddit fucking post ever.
Do better.
No, there’s me
You forgot your /s.
Everyone here is clearly of the highest intelligence. I myself am something of a genius. /s
All? No way. Many? Sure. That big scary "Federation" thing slows them down.
You've put "/s" on the post title. Now, you've seen it.
No, those people came over too. I posted something that I thought was very obvious satire and had someone think I was serious because I did not end it in "/s".
With the enormity of our community it's really hard to judge by mere text if what we read online is serious or not. Since all of us here do not know each other personally, we do not have context on what the poster's disposition or their character is. Thus we cannot judge the text based on that. And of course what others might consider as unrealistic might be normal to other people's point of view. So I think it's okay to be on the side of caution and add /s just in case.
What if... the OP is satire?
No, if it was satire, I they would have put a "/s" at the end.
/s
Now THIS is the philosophy I came for
uno reverse /s
Happened to me too and it always disappoints me a little, but I figure if someone doesn't get something that is just blatant sarcasm, that's not on me.
Omg me too! We must be the only ones here with superior intellect. High 5 all around for big throbbing brains
Sorry, you found the wrong person. I'm probably one of the stupider people here. I'm just also very sarcastic and try to make it very obvious.
![email protected]
I upvoted him anyway, because it was just so perfect.
Umm ...
I got banned from reddit because I declined to clarify whether something was sarcasm, because it was just too damned obvious.
I've seen it.
On unrelated matter: are emojis allowed on lemmy?
As long as it's not every 2-3 words or as cryptic as hieroglyphs, I think decent emoji usage can be acceptable. Like everything, moderation tastes best. 🍻
Cheers mate! 🍺
In the Beginning, there was the Word, and the Word was God.
A-well-a everybody's heard about the 𓄿!
𓅀 𓅁 𓅂, b-𓅃's the word
A-well-a 𓅄 𓅅 𓅆, 𓅇 is the word
A-well-a 𓅈 𓅉 𓅊, well-a 𓅋 is the word
A-well-a 𓅌 𓅍 𓅎, b-𓅏's the word
A-well-a 𓅐 𓅑 𓅒, well-a 𓅓 is the word
A-well-a 𓅔, 𓅕, b-𓅖's the word
A-well-a 𓅗 𓅘 𓅙, b-𓅚's the word
A-well-a 𓅛 𓅜 𓅝, well-a 𓅞 is the word
A-well-a 𓅟, 𓅠, b-𓅡's the word
A-well-a don't you know, about the 𓅢?
Well, everybody knows that the 𓅣 is the word!
A-well-a 𓅤, 𓅥, b-𓅦's the 𓅧
A-well-a
A-well-a everybody's heard, about the 𓅨!
𓅩 𓅪 𓅫, b-𓅬's the word
A-well-a 𓅭 𓅮 𓅯, b-𓅰's the word
A-well-a 𓅱 𓅲 𓅳, b-𓅴's the word
A-well-a 𓅵, 𓅶, b-𓅷's the word
A-well-a 𓅸, b-bird's the word
A-well-a 𓅹, b-𓅺's the word
(Side note: those aren't emoji, actual Ejyptian Heiroglyphs have a Unicode block, range U+13000..U+1342F.)
🤷
Who cares? 🤷♀️ Screw the rules, use em anyway
💀💀💀
This post is a good example of the "stupid people" on reddit
You're getting mad because people indicate their tone of voice with a tone tag
Tone tags have been in use on social media for a long time
https://tonetags.carrd.co/#e
Thirteen years ago I saw this same meme but it wondered if we had left all the idiots behind at Digg.
As an ex-Redditor I do /s reflexively because I assume someone will always be offended. Welcome to the Internet, I guess.
/s
/s
/s
Damn you just reminded me to keep using it /s
Chances are that Lemmy has about the same makeup of people as Reddit, mostly. I'd say that where the difference lies is in the amount of tolerance they have for Reddit shenanigans.
Stupidity on the internet is amplified with resonance. One says something stupid, trolls or being rude, the other responds and the intelectual level of the discussion is plummeting. So my theory at least is that there's about the same percentage of "stupid". We just haven't yet reached critical mass.
Not likely. I've seen people so politically corrupt they just refuse all sources as russian misinformation
Sounds like something some lefty commie would say
wheres ur /s so i know ur not being real 😡
Found one! /jk
I'm here, so there's at least one troll.
hit me with your biggest troll
NO /S FR FR
Hmmm. That time I convinced some kid to "roleplay" as this other guys dead wife in order to give him closure so he would give the kid money in some game is likely my greatest hit.
Edit: I should mention that the guy with the "dead wife" ended up being a popular GTA roleplay comedy streamer with an improvisation game that's hard to beat. This was years before any of that though and on an mmo. https://m.twitch.tv/miltontpike1
We are enlightened acorporal beings of pure thaougt living on this rarerified plane of dotworld. We need no hashtags to convey our multivariate meanings. Each word has 1000 facets that are immediately understood by fellow Lemmingtons. Truly we are blessed.
Born too late to explore the world, too early for the galaxy, but just in time to read dank memes and chat with other nerds on Lemmy.
I think it's lemmings not lemmingtons
I like "lembos".
That works!
Or Lemmiacs. Though I can't take credit for that, it was ChatGPT.
Because We Are All Lemmiacs
Only enlightened acorporal lemmings are Lemmingtons, peasant
I find myself using it less on lemmy, but I think I have used it on occasion here, just to help to "distance" myself from whatever crazy shit I've commented. Ever since 2016, it's been a necessity when you can't rely on people to assume you're not as batshit crazy as what your comment reads as, which you really can't assume of anyone anymore. I've had plenty of times where I wrote a sarcastic comment in order to make fun of an idea, only to have people (who I'm pretty sure actually agreed with me) explicitly make the point that I was attempting to make through sarcasm, but they're attacking me because they think I'm an idiot (which is still possible).
Satire is fucking dead.
Satire is
deadhard on a text only based medium.Name one work of satire from before 1930 that wasn't text based
Point taken. I suppose I mean sarcasm not satire. /s is really a sarcasm indicator, not just satire.
There are, however, other instances of satire that aren't text based such as much movies (eg dr strangelove, Galaxy quest) or spoof movies as well as most political cartoons. But those sometimes are misunderstood as serious as well.
Sarcasm comes across much better in person than via text, which I'm sure you agree with.
I completely disagree. Body language betrays your sarcasm much more easily in person. In text is where it's much easier to hide the meaning you are trying to convey and confuse your audience.
Yeah, sarcasm isn't meant to trick people. They are supposed to understand that it's sarcasm. That's what I meant when it comes across better in person. People get that it's sarcasm because of that body language.
edit Wait a tick, you're "sarcasm"ing me, aren't you!?
No I mean satire is dead because stupid motherfuckers that will believe or want to believe everything killed it.
Can't even be satirical without some dumb ass going "yep there's my people!" And then starting another fucking retard movement.
It's really not. Satire just isn't for you if you don't want risk being misunderstood. You don't write the opposite of what you mean if you must be understood clearly the first time.
Satire is a necrophile.
Actually you can. You can choose to trust, despite knowing the dangers of a thing. And it’s prosocial to do so.
For the most part yeah. I've gotten in some arguments here, and lemmygrad is pretty damn dumb, but the problematic people for the most part stay on their toxic instances that get defederated. They're isolating themselves for us which is nice.
For the more part, like 95% of the people here are cool and more understanding. I also like chill conversation on c/cafe (still figuring out how to link stuff on mobile lol).
This site is also pretty damn active now. I see front page posts getting 1k+ updoots now, which was far from the case before! Still have the issue of smaller communities getting buried and rare to pop up on the front page though. Reddit was much better about that in balancing small communties to show up more instead of being dominated by popular ones.
It's weird, but I just don't feel the need to as it here. I just sorta assume everyone knows I'm pretty much always being sarcastic, ironic, or both.
Yes. /s
Let me test something.
69
/s' as my sarcasm is plural.
How else do you combat Poe's law
By making people smarter and better acquainted with one another.
When the society’s too big to know everyone, we rely on shared culture to know things about the people we’re talking to.
Poe’s Law is a (cynical, defeatist, self-fulfilling) declaration that we have lost cultural cohesiveness as a society.
We need to take risks in order to adapt and survive. And the risk that some internet stranger might miss your sarcasm in a comment is such a small risk it’s extremely bad news if we become so risk intolerant we won’t venture some unmarked sarcasm.
The whole point of sarcasm is that it signals cooperation and cohesion between two minds. It’s like a handshake. Don’t underestimate culture just because it doesn’t seem to have a function.
Sarcasm is like the appendix. Useless until we figure out what it’s useful for.
Bro I'm just here for the memes
What's stopping me from deploying sarcasm as a means of poor-faith social manipulation against those who believe that?
I'd love it if everyone was educated with at least some core values to relate to, but we live in this current reality where a dumb-fuck can lure people to Romania by preying on similar social comforts.
Trusting your fellow humans isn't inherently wrong, but people also believe Trump is going to jump-start the rapture. The /s is such a minor addition that costs me almost nothing to deploy and benefits everyone. The negatives to people responding to /s, like getting irrationally upset, are worth it compared to the negatives of assuming everyone has 'common sense', like the methodical social degradation from predators.
So... make an echochamber and have everyone circlejerk each other...
Look while it sounds bad, you really cant have many worthwhile discussions if you only talk to the people you agree with, (ie. Like minded individuals) you need to talk to people that dont agree with you and that means that is very likely they dont think like you and things like sarcasm can go over their heads and think you are being genuine while you are not. So i say stick wit the " /s" thing
You don't write the opposite of what you mean. And Poe's law isn't a problem to be combatted, it's a gift.
Oh so just don't use sarcasm ever. Wow why didn't I think of that?
Now you're getting it!
Absolutely not, they're everywhere.
Nope, I'm here.
Oh, dear me, no. A lot of people got BANNED from reddit, many of them long before the great Fumbling of the APIs. Who do you think showed up to Lemmy first?
Though that's the reason you make heaps of alts, ensures that when you anger the next janny you don't lose access
Not exactly the purpose of the Philosoraptor meme but oh well. Depending on how you define "stupid", there are stupid people even in a small room full of MBAs.
If you think there are no stupid people here, I've got some bad news for you...
(You might be one of the stupid ones)
Sorry guy, I've kinda adopted it for all platforms and some chats.
So not all the stupid got left behind.
But I promise, I'm not the "bad" stupid. Ish.
/s
I may, or not, be the stupid. But I'll need fighting m guidelines and judgment to decide.
Haven't you seen that here? /s
One can hope.
Sadly they are migrating. /TheDonald is here. I blocked it immediately so I am safe from the taint.
What is "/s"?
Nope, but everybody over here thinks of themselves as smart. Sometimes that's worse.
Do you read the comment sections on lemmy at all?
There is just as much stupid here as anywhere else on the internet.
The what spam and evangelic atheism? What the fuck are you talking about my dude 😅
Dunno about evangelical atheists, but Lemmy is full of tankies.
I'm not even religious, but I should probably just block [email protected] (or is it [email protected]?) because I can't stand the smug comics that keep showing up in my feed
Well I mean, if these communities make you uncomfortable then you should definitely block ‘em.
For right wing people reality is left wing and offensive, don't you know? 😂
I mean that what in your country you call "communism" in the rest of the world is called "common decency".
There's no left wing conspiracy. You live in a country full of right wingers proud of their ignorance and their bigotry.
If you're annoyed by the constant atheist posts, tough luck. I'm annoyed by the delusions of the believers.
in Nixon voice All those pinko commie leftist hippies, ruining America!
But fr there are a couple instances that barf communist propaganda in my feed. It's almost as bad as the capitalist propaganda tbh.
I use kbin and blocked one of those instances. Thought they were joking at first, but they were not.
I used it yesterday. Someone replied, pissed off, a nd clearly did not understand what it means.
o7
It would make sense since you're stupid if you still use Reddit.
I'm pretty sure I have friends that use reddit the way reddit wants and have 100% missed the entire protest and API change. I don't know why they don't just use instagram or such. It does what reddit itself wants to do far better.
No, the whole point of sarcasm is that it’s so easy to miss that it reinforces the (unspoken) real point you’re making.
With sarcasm, you’re deliberately making a statement that doesn’t make sense, in order to sort of say “You already know the answer to that, and to demonstrate it to you I’m going to give you the wrong answer and you’re going to know it’s the wrong answer”.
Like if someone says “Tomorrow we’re going to have a construction crew running a jackhammer all day in the hallway outside this office”, and someone responds with “Oh that oughta be helpful”, the real message is:
It’s a way to emphasize the unarguable truth of a statement: you say the opposite as a demonstration to the listener that they cannot take it at face value.
Kind of, but it only works when the audience knows that you are being sarcastic either by knowing you or some kind of context for them to know.
If your audience doesn't know you then it helps to be as absurd as possible.
Well absurdity is also relative, what I may consider absurd may be mild or normal to others.
You need it to be sufficiently absurd to reject itself as what you’d be saying.
It reinforces the shared context between people too.
Except for the annoying extremist feminists. I'm sick of the "you're wrong and this isn't open for debate" bullshit that prevents actual conversation.
Used to see that mentality heaps on Twitter, that X isn't up for debate etc. People should really go back there if that's how they want to engage in their online discourse, the point of the fediverse isn't to be another echo chamber.
Could you give an example of two of which topics you want to debate that others say aren't up for debate?
These types of tyraids are a pretty good example of what I mean
Either someones personal opinion, a hot take based on their own perspective or something similar. There's plenty of discourse that could happen here but these people just want their own echo chamber
I’m sorry but the whole thread is invisible aside from one message. Might wanna use something else.
It's mostly a multi-tweet long religious rant. The overall content itself isn't important, the main point being that they're not interested in any actual debate, they just want to dump their opinions out there and position it as fact.
Sounds like most people on the internet; just shitting opinions out into the open internet and completely unwilling to accept that people might have their own opinions on your opinions.
I'm not really interested in opening a link to that site. I was more asking you to list, in your own words, an example or two of topics you think should be up for debate.
All topics should always be up for debate. If you're putting an idea forward in a diverse circumstance you'd better be prepared to debate it. Anything else just seems petty and acting like the victim.
Yes https://kbin.social/m/my_mouldy_memes/t/294760
…dude what the fuck did I read LOL
A comic that shows a good example of misogyny. Bigots who hate women use the term "feminist" to attack women. It's the same shit as complaining there's no "White History Month". The point of those terms is to promote equality while calling out the oppression of said group that needs their rights protected. But attacking verbiage that everyone understands is a way for bigots to dogwhistle and attack those groups.
I meant the comments.
And addressing your poor comment further: you're part of the problem for believing the original comic is actuate or agreeable in any way. Bullshitting the general statement that you're about equality is a joke. Yeah? How about the equality of people in Africa compared to feminists in America? You feminists gearing up to tackle that inequality any time soon? No? So obviously your focus is much more restricted, and that's fine. Just stop the bullshit. Feminism is not and never was for progressing anything but female equality, so stop virtue signaling that it's about equality for all when that's clearly not the case.
Whataboutism at it's finest. Angry men are amusing.
And people are sick of having their rights "debated" when they themselves are safe from any consequences. Be happy your rights aren't threatened in the same way.
If it was a right, it would be outlined in the constitution. You're talking about perceived rights. And for men to a small extent they all ready are. You accidentally get a women pregnant? Oops, they can force you to pay child support until that child is 18. If you're a real "femanist", this should clearly be wrong to you. Women deserve the right to decide to have a baby before a set timeline. But if women get the right to choose, as much as I love women, you're on you're own when it comes to child support unless the man originally agrees to the child. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I understand that reaction when the "discussion" is allowing adult people to exist, or whether objectively true facts are real.
The issue occurs when purported facts are just merely opinions or regurgitating talking points, you used to see it heaps on Twitter, someone alright posting their mini rant and sprinkling in "facts"
The thing is at some point people with hateful messages win simply by debating and putting their hate out there. Choosing not to engage is everyone's right, nobody is obligated to debate anything.
Exactly. There are those few who are willing, able and good at debating hate mongers so that others can see. Most people aren't and that's fine. Hate doesn't deserve the attention; it deserves being ostracized.
It shuts down discussion that could sway people reading the discussion by not explaining why it is true and also shutting down anyone else trying to explain. I see it most frequently used by people who had a discussion sometime in the past and don't seem to understand that not everyone was there at the time.
Like I agree that a woman is the only one who should decide if she should terminate a pregnancy, but when that is the response any time someone asks why there is no opportunity for someone to explain why that is true for people who haven't ever had it explained to them. They don't have to explain, but they also don't need to shut down discussion.
Nobody is obligated to explain repeatedly the same point to every lazy idiot who can bother to STFW before asking a question. And then you have sealions and people JAQing off.
They are not obligated to explain, but they are not correct for saying that nobody else can.
I'd just say that existing good explanations elsewhere (and perfectly searchable ones at that), they shouldn't.
No, "they" don't need to shut it down, but "they" might want to and that's OK. If we're talking about forum mods, they might use their judgement to decide they don't want their platform to be a space for debating something that threatens the safety of their users.
You want to make your own forum where anyone can debate anything, then absolutely go right ahead. Doesn't mean somebody else can't make a forum they refuse to allow debate on certain issues.
We are not talking about forum mods.
Can you provide examples of what you mean by this?
https://kbin.social/m/my_mouldy_memes/t/294760/-/comment/1362008
The comic clearly illustrates its point and that reply is succinct. If you have a problem with the verbiage, perhaps you should educate yourself on why it was chosen. You and I both know what it means. The man in that comic is a misogynist attacking women. You and I both know that, too.
First, let me say I support women's rights and the advancement of women. Getting down to your reply, though, this has to be one of the most misguided and poorest attempts at a response. You seem to misunderstand my point, and you make numerous assumptions without a bit of evidence and act like you have some secret knowledge. We both know that? No. We don't. I agree with femanism being about the advancement of females. My argument is that feminism is not in any way about overall equality. It's about equality for women. And I support that. But don't feed me your bullshit line that it's about equality.
It's always easy to spot the misogynists. They just go right on and tell you.
It's easy to spot stupid people the same way!
It's --sarcasm until most windows users haven't found Lemmy yet.
You mean
--sarcasm=1Any self respecting argument parser should accept
--sarcasmto mean--sarcasm=trueUnless it defaults to false.
The default on a boolean flag should always be false, and the presence of the flag in the args should make it true. Anything else is confusing.
--no=false
rm -rf / --no-preserve-root--agree
Everyone here is clearly of the highest intelligence. I myself am something of a genius. /s
Yes
I've seen it. I replied with the notion that one does not need /s here, as the idiots have not found us yet-
I've always refused to accept that the state of society and online discourse was so bad that /s was necessary. On reddit it would lead to constant confusion and downvotes. Feels nice that that hasn't happened here.
they all went to lemmyshitpost
this is why all Reddit alternarives fail, watch this go nowhere in two weeks
I hate /s so much. It's like a LAUGH NOW indicator.
I have never seen "/s" in general, not even on Reddit. Either I was only being active in very specific subreddits, or I'm probably just bad at remembering things. And since I love shaming myself, could you please hit that downvote button? Thanks.