Spyke
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Is the right to roam really worth the loss of the fundamental freedom to shoot someone who steps on your lawn?

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I've actually shot one and while it was weird and uncomfortable, the recoil wasn't that bad. Owning one is kinda stupid though.

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The reason people don't like people wandering onto their land is the usa....is getting sued. The amount of lawyers here which will take a case for anyone or any reason is insane. Even if the person knows they won't win, you who are getting sued, is going to lose money and time because you're going to need to pay a lawyer to make sure you don't lose your clothes by the sueing party.

It sucks, thankfully we have a ton of parks...for now.

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NIB
lemmy.world

Some countries have it, not all or even most. Sweden is not representative of the entirety of Europe.

In Greece you arent even allowed to camp outside of very limited designated camp sites(though laws in Greece are more like suggestions, so many people still go camping in forests).

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feddit.org

In Greece you arent even allowed to camp outside of very limited designated camp sites

Same in Germany

though laws in Greece are more like suggestions

Not same in Germany 😅

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There's plenty of forests and countryside where you could pitch a tent just fine. At worst, you'd have to talk to a farmer to ask if you can pitch your tent on their land.

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feddit.org

Tbf, from first hand experience i can say people are fucking animals when it goes to camping. We used to have places where it was tolerated but people shat and pissed everywhere. Left their garbage behind, food waste attracted animals etc.

People are unbelievable stupid, so they kinda had to ban it and force that ban.

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lemm.ee

i can say people are fucking animals when it goes to camping

It took me reading the rest of your comment, and a lot of thought, before I realized you were using the word "fucking" as some kind of intensifier instead of as the word for "having sex with."

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abbadon420reply
lemm.ee

You do not have the right to organise a nazi party. You only have two parties, no others are allowed. One of them accidentally turned nazi. That is something completely different than "organize a nazi party".

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abbadon420reply
lemm.ee

I that same sense me and my wife have a right to get pregnant, but I got my tubes tied.

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feddit.org

Mmmh ... You can start a new party in the US. If it's really successful, it may supplant one of the two parties that are there. The issue with the system, however, is that all incentives are aligned against more than two parties being successful at the same time.

That's a bit different from you (cis male, I guess) becoming pregnant, in that you actually don't have the right hardware (meatware?). I guess comparing with your 58-year-old mother-in-law becoming pregnant may be more apt. ^^

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You seem to know your inclusive gender terminology well, why not inclusive pregnancy terminology? So, I'm talking about a classical man/woman relationship. Sure a woman carries the embryo and she does all the heavy lifting (pun intended). I'm not saying it's an equal divide. But a man also shares in the pregnancy. We very much experience hormonal and psychological change as well. https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19529157/how-pregnancy-affects-the-father/

That was not the point of this thread, but you got me triggered.

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lesaturreply
lemmy.wtf

What exactly are you talking about?

The video is from an American expat living in Germany with her family. Her video is originally in English.

YouTube started a feature where they auto translate videos to your assumed language. Might that be the case here?

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Your Lemmy client is fetching and displaying a preview of the link. YouTube has decided to give you a German-language preview for some reason, maybe based on your geolocation, VPN, or settings.

Op is innocent on this one!

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Fedo ¶reply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

I stopped pretending being smart a while ago, so I’m genuinely lost 🙃 Also I don’t speak German, except I only know “kunsthistorisches” for some reason

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I know, this is why I said England rather than UK. Not sure on Wales/NI. Either way, not really a practical option to get there.

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Auxreply
feddit.uk

England has limited right to roam plus public right of way. This effectively means that most land is accessible one way or another.

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Korhakareply
sopuli.xyz

The vast majority of land isn't open access though. Most woodlands and fields are privately owned and you are not allowed to walk through them.

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Auxreply
feddit.uk

We have public right of way, so you can definitely walk through them.

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Korhakareply
sopuli.xyz

Only if there is a public footpath through it. Otherwise you are trespassing if you don't have the land owners permission

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Auxreply
feddit.uk

Why would you walk over an overgrown field?

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You would typically walk around the edge of it, but you don't have permission to do that either and we don't have the right to roam here. Also not all land is agricultural fields, pasture and woodland for example.

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sh.itjust.works

Great content, as someone who “stealth camps” often I would love that openness. Thank you for sharing.

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The video said in some Nordic countries it does, you just can't be in close proximity to the land owners house.

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Ha no, but I like his content. He camps like that just for the camping like that, but I do it because I’m out kayaking or similar and just need to camp somewhere.

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feddit.org

In Spain its also forbidden to own beaches. You can wander any beach with no restriction.

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