Putin announced two goals: demilitarization and denazification. If demilitarization is complete they will complete denazification by removing Russian Army from all the occupied territories of Ukraine. Another job well done, Putin!
Source: Peskov in an interview with RT Arabic, according to TASS propaganda news agency Quote: "Indeed, Ukraine was heavily militarised at the time of the beginning of its [special military operation, as the Russian Federation calls the war against Ukraine – ed.]. And, as [Russian President Vladimir] Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine.
In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."
... so is that an excuse for the Kremlin to get the fuck out of Ukraine ?
I mean, the only way for Putin to politically survive a retreat is to convince Russians that this catastrophic failure was actually a huge success, and their sons didn't die for nothing.
Seing them push a narrative that they have already achieved what they came there for is therefore kind of uplifting. If the Russians could leave Ukraine without losing face they would have done it months ago, and this seems to be the beginning of the effort to create such an opening.
Of course nobody in the West is going to buy it (well, almost nobody, without pointing any fingers), but much like the rest of Russian propaganda we don't really need to either. The only limit is which lies the Russian people are willing to believe, and for once I actually want them to believe this one - or at least I want the Kremlin to believe they believe it.
If they pull out under the pretense that Ukraine has been demilitarized, and Ukraine turns around and joins NATO, they have egg on their face. Any withdraw would still have to be predicated on assurances that Ukraine won’t join NATO, from Russia’s perspective, or they won’t be able to claim success.
One has to have been living in Russia (for years) to know (or to feel the temperature) of what they will swallow from the Kremlin. Propaganda is pushed if the Kremlin believes it will be tolerated.
This was literally the shitty joke I was thinking about when reading the headline "Well, we demilitarized them from soviet weapons". You really can't think absurdly enough for those guys.
In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.
What a strange definition for demilitarization lol.
It's not super clear to me how that works out. Ukraine has been pretty stable on, "All taken territory including Crimea back," so do we move to a world where Belgorod Bob assures the people that myths of Ukrainian advance are totally false daily?
"In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."
So they've used up the old soviet weapons and now using modern western weapons.
As for supplying weapons. America is happy to. We are trying to give away tanks like they are kittens!
Lol, sorry. I was joking on the notion of giving tanks away like kittens, and how there might be a tank-lady similar to the stereotype of a cat-lady that has way too many cats.
if I read that correctly and if it is true it would mean that ...
the Kremlin is seeking an excuse to get the fuck out of Ukraine without losing face in front of their own population.
Yeah, when you see totally barmy stuff like this from Russian media it's usually not particularly intended to convince people like you, it's meant for internal consumption.
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This post at ~170 votes now, that's already a landmark ! (at 13h old)
Is Pravda a good informative source? This website says they have mixed factuality.
That being said, Russian government can eat my ass. They are so fucking delusional, I can feel their society is closer to collapse and hopefully their leadership all die slow painful deaths.
Totally reasonable concern, fuck Russia but Pravda does have a bit of a vested interest in their reporting to say the least. In this case they're just actually reporting what was said on a Russian propaganda outlet. Disclaimer, I know zero Russian, but a Google translate of the Russian propaganda news networks seems to confirm that Pravda is being factual and this is what Russia is saying.
Very good news ! if that trend goes on it will be such a relief !
Like you wrote, here the Ukrainian Pravda refers to the original which is an official Russian source :
TASS original in Russian
My understanding, and I am nothing like an expert in Russian media so salt to taste, is that Pravda is at least government affiliated, so they have a checkered history with respect to the truth but can be assumed to accurately report what it is that the government wants to project.
Putin announced two goals: demilitarization and denazification. If demilitarization is complete they will complete denazification by removing Russian Army from all the occupied territories of Ukraine. Another job well done, Putin!
I wonder if the irony is lost on them?
from that article :
... so is that an excuse for the Kremlin to get the fuck out of Ukraine ?
Edit : + link of source ( in Russian )
I mean, the only way for Putin to politically survive a retreat is to convince Russians that this catastrophic failure was actually a huge success, and their sons didn't die for nothing.
Seing them push a narrative that they have already achieved what they came there for is therefore kind of uplifting. If the Russians could leave Ukraine without losing face they would have done it months ago, and this seems to be the beginning of the effort to create such an opening.
Of course nobody in the West is going to buy it (well, almost nobody, without pointing any fingers), but much like the rest of Russian propaganda we don't really need to either. The only limit is which lies the Russian people are willing to believe, and for once I actually want them to believe this one - or at least I want the Kremlin to believe they believe it.
Don't care about the reason why. Just get out.
I don't mind pretending Russia won if it means Pootin can get the fuck out of Ukraine.
If they pull out under the pretense that Ukraine has been demilitarized, and Ukraine turns around and joins NATO, they have egg on their face. Any withdraw would still have to be predicated on assurances that Ukraine won’t join NATO, from Russia’s perspective, or they won’t be able to claim success.
One has to have been living in Russia (for years) to know (or to feel the temperature) of what they will swallow from the Kremlin. Propaganda is pushed if the Kremlin believes it will be tolerated.
This was literally the shitty joke I was thinking about when reading the headline "Well, we demilitarized them from soviet weapons". You really can't think absurdly enough for those guys.
What a strange definition for demilitarization lol.
It's so strange how they think they are demilitarising Ukraine when in reality they are actually demilitarising themselves
Well, is this the beginning of “we have achieve the goals, bye”? Hope…
My guess is that they will declare the operation a success and end further advances, but without ceding the territory that they have won so far.
It's not super clear to me how that works out. Ukraine has been pretty stable on, "All taken territory including Crimea back," so do we move to a world where Belgorod Bob assures the people that myths of Ukrainian advance are totally false daily?
For all I care they can even hang a large "Mission Accomplished" banner from their
aircraft carrierheavy aircraft cruiserscrap-heap Kuznetsov."In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."
So they've used up the old soviet weapons and now using modern western weapons.
As for supplying weapons. America is happy to. We are trying to give away tanks like they are kittens!
And can we stop giving tanks to that tank-lady that lives in the apartment down the hall? She barely takes care of the ones she has.
Meaning of "giving thanks" : giving words of gratitude
... or did i woooosh ?
Lol, sorry. I was joking on the notion of giving tanks away like kittens, and how there might be a tank-lady similar to the stereotype of a cat-lady that has way too many cats.
👍 okay now I get it 😆
and I was confusing thanks for tanks
America doesn't 'give away' weapons, Ukraine will pay for them eventually, just like Israel, SK, Taiwan, and the rest always do.
https://youtu.be/Qj9HD8MdAFs?t=918
Worth watching this for a couple minutes to get a better idea of how aid is being provided to Ukraine.
They could argue is that they want to protect their IP or something. If that gives them a "win" so they leave then mission accomplished I say!
Mission Accomplished comrades, time to go home!
I'm sorry but that's really really far from reality. What do they understand as demilitarization?
if I read that correctly and if it is true it would mean that ...
the Kremlin is seeking an excuse to get the fuck out of Ukraine without losing face in front of their own population.
Mission Accomplished
Yeah, when you see totally barmy stuff like this from Russian media it's usually not particularly intended to convince people like you, it's meant for internal consumption.
Good, now they can go home.
And by "demilitarise." Do they mean they demilitarised themselves in Ukraine?
I wish Lemmy had an r/NonCredibleDefense equivalent.
it already has ... it is here :
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On top of that this actual post is cross-posted in there 👍
Be the change you want to see?
Kremlin: We have done a great job of removing all legacy equipment from the Ukrainian military
Kiev: All that old shit is in the trash and now we’ve got all this new fancy technology to shove up Putin’s ass. Bring it bitches
Kremlin: Er, ehm, that was the plan. But you cannot attack us, or it will be war. Hey NATO tell them they can’t attack us…please!
Kiev: Slava!
Congrats. So you can fuck off now, right?
They rlly need to gtfo of Ukraine..
Time for a photo op with Putin and a big "Миссия выполнена" banner in the background.
Are they blind?
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Good bot !
fingers crossthat would be such a relief !I can see the "Задание выполнено" banners now
and now go home finally and demilitarize urself to another galaxy
The Kremlin announces that its secondary goal of demilitarising Russia has also been achieved.
Is Pravda a good informative source? This website says they have mixed factuality.
That being said, Russian government can eat my ass. They are so fucking delusional, I can feel their society is closer to collapse and hopefully their leadership all die slow painful deaths.
Totally reasonable concern, fuck Russia but Pravda does have a bit of a vested interest in their reporting to say the least. In this case they're just actually reporting what was said on a Russian propaganda outlet. Disclaimer, I know zero Russian, but a Google translate of the Russian propaganda news networks seems to confirm that Pravda is being factual and this is what Russia is saying.
https://tass-ru.translate.goog/politika/18051163?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true.
Very good news ! if that trend goes on it will be such a relief !
Like you wrote, here the Ukrainian Pravda refers to the original which is an official Russian source : TASS original in Russian
Does someone here read Russian so to confirm 🙏 ?
My understanding, and I am nothing like an expert in Russian media so salt to taste, is that Pravda is at least government affiliated, so they have a checkered history with respect to the truth but can be assumed to accurately report what it is that the government wants to project.
good.
We should mail him a "mission accomplished" banner and a green screen backdrop of a battleship deck.
Man I know these types of sentences are for their brainwashed population, but it's so delusional
They are looking for a way out and for keeping Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea. It won't work.
If they really believe that then they should fuck off out of Ukraine. But they don't really believe it.
you tried Russian Federation