Dozen Teslas torched outside French dealership: authorities
Toulouse (France) (AFP) – A dozen Teslas were torched in France in what authorities are treating as an arson attack, the prosecutor's office said Monday.
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Once again the French demonstrate that they know how to raise hell.
We need to get more like the French.
There was a post here the other day asking if vandalism was OK because someone wrote something with their finger on a muddy swasticar.
Now this is vandalism. Or possibly an accident, batteries like to burn violently and Tesla isn't known for build quality or safety...
Guess you haven't seen https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39116529
Well, that's a start.
Also, describing Molotov cocktails as "explosive devices" seems just a little misleading.
Probably the batteries, yeah?
Yeah, lithium batteries are well known fire hazards.
And once they get going, they get going, google thermal runaway for some interesting videos.
To fight a thermal runaway you need to cool it down fast, ice is commonly recommanded.
I think all the ice is being used to kick out illegal immigrants though.
In France?
EV fires are fought by flooding (most commonly)
So would a snow machine work ?
No, but snow would probably be effective at cooling down a battery experiencing thermal runaway
Ohhh, ice for the required melting energy? I thought that would be offset by the more difficult handling and lower flow rates. Interesting.
No, no, you just deport the battery so it explodes in someone else's country.
France is literally protesting better than the USA over our own issues...
It's because your issues are everyone's issues.
Yeah - I just wish our leaders (Democrat ones) would call for protests at least. It would help. Instead we twiddle our thumbs as our institutions are destroyed. I haven't heard of a single protest for the tariffs today that nobody wants but Trump and Putin...
Only 12? C'mon France we know you can do much better. Try again.
Hey let's be real.
Ain't no protest like a French protest.
They'll do better. Patience.
I'll believe it when they chop teslas in half with a giant blade.
So, when they burn them with extra steps?
What have you done lately?
Made comments on the internet, obviously.
I'm doing my part!
Call that a "breaker's dozen".
Nah, we put things on fire only when some random dealer get shot by a cop.
I’ve heard the best thing people can do against Musk is to vandalise privately purchased Teslas. I’ve heard that will put mass fear in the market not to buy them.
I’ve heard that vandalising commercially owned Teslas will only result in insurance payouts and more Teslas being made.
I’ve heard that the best way to vandalise privately owned Teslas is to use spray paint, which is relatively easy to clean off (not hurting the owner too much) while being very media-affective.
That’s what I’ve heard.
The insurance premiums of the commercial ones will increase by a lot of this happens too much.
In my country private insurance is way higher on Teslas than other models already, apparently a mix of them being valuable, high risk of accident/theft, and impossible to repair from small fender benders driving cost of replacements up.
Or removing its windshield wiper (its the giant stick on one side of the windshield)
Couldn't they just put a new one on easily?
Apparently they are only purchasable through Tesla directly, and are severely backordered.
Not surprising, its a stupid and nonstandard design, one giant wiper for the whole damn windshield on a single hinge at the corner.
It’s on the drivers side if you want to make it quicker and spend less time near the camera riddled surveillance-mobiles.
Unrelated note: Covid is still out there and masking is a good way to mitigate spread of disease.
Don’t forget to wear your examination gloves so you don't touch infected surfaces....
Remember proper washing procedures when changing gloves.
Why would I tell anyone? I’m not condoning any action of vandalism at all. It’s only what I’ve heard.
Now that you’ve heard it too, you can tell others what you’ve heard without condoning it either.
Bitch Musk has been an asshole for longer than a fucking decade, get your head out of your ass
Yes it was lmao
Yeah they've only had like a decade to figure that out
Up to a point. No cybertruck owner has any excuse.
Cybertrucks for sure
That's entirely orthogonal to the point of their comment
Yes, and?
Good news to start the day :)
I wish it produced less pollution, but if it kills Tesla sales in Europe its probably a net benefit.
Yes, it’s good to see something fun in a middle of all these miserable days.
The French get shit done, unlike weak Americans.
Nice.
No, Toulouse!
/s
Ba dum tss!
C'mon, please don't generate revenue for Tesla - not even from insurance policies. It makes more sense for the cars to just stand around and rust despite the stainless steel. Nobody wants to buy from that goddamn Nazi anyway.
But hey, maybe Musk had the cars set on fire himself - that would be a rather harmless insurance scam compared to his other activities...
If it continues, insurance companies will not insure Teslas. Already happened to certain Audi and Porsche models that had subpar plating underneath. Spontaneous combustion would easily do that to Teslas.
Yes, that's the silver lining.
Also happened to Range Rovers once people realised they were insanely easy to steal.
It got so bad that people that owned them on finance could no longer get insurance. This made a tonne of them hit the second hand market making them cheaper. Meaning people with finance couldn’t even sell the car for the money they owed on the finance.
Range Rover started offering their own insurance and I did a quote for fun and they just said nah fam.
That's funny 😅 The Germans failed the obvious "Don't let a bump ruin your 15k battery pack" by making the cars longer and lower to look sportier than the competition. It worked until insurance companies realized they owe 15k€ for each person driving to a bump or pot hole at normal speeds.
And then those cars stopped selling 💁
Two people on my block have bought Teslas since the inauguration :( I'm in NYC
Tell them a random guy on the internet says they should be ashamed of themselves.
Sounds like you found a place to put stickers.
Spray them with salt water! Accelerate that rusting process!
So you're saying to throw salt at the vehicles. Got it.
It's true, the French are much better at revolution than Americans.
They did nazi that coming
I think - for their own safety, of course - we should gather more of these Tesla vehicles together in a central location so they can be isolated from the population at large... Perhaps in some sort of tent-based accommodation?
Not one of your best jokes.
Nazi jokes are funny.
I bet Jewish people just love a good nazi joke.
Jokes with the word nazi in them aren't necessarily nazi jokes.
The only nazi joke right now is elon and he isn't funny.
Again theres only one nazi joke, it's elon. I didnt make any nazi jokes, I made a joke about a nazi that had the word nazi in it. Relax
Now these are actual nazi jokes.
I get what point you are trying to make but you have to realize that to basically everyone there is a big difference between these jokes and what RedditWanderer has said.
I did Nazi see this cumming.
Lol it's just a nazi joke.
It's harmless.
Next up mild transgender jokes.
See how those are unfunny nazi victim jokes, instead of Elon jokes calling him a nazi
And not even using it lightly like "a grammar nazi", Elon is literally doing sieg heils on political podiums, literally a nazi.
Edit: ok there mister 8 hour old account coming to Elons defense.
Mdr
Get the nazi traitors and Putin assets out of Europe. Or at least their businesses.
That second sentence isn't needed. Get Nazis and Putin assets out of Europe.
I don't support contributions to environmental damage caused by fires. I love the idea that Tesla cars are destroyed. It's a conundrum.
That said, I like this more than I dislike it.
People can hold contradictory beliefs at the same time
No! Now they can write them off on their insurance! They needed to have them languish unsold taking up retail space for years and learn to regret their purchase.
Naa their insurance rate is going to go through the roof! Or at least on fire.
Ooooh, lithium fires
Antifa colors.
All Tesla dealerships are all directly owned by Tesla, right?
I believe so yes https://www.cato.org/regulation/summer-2014/tesla-car-dealers-lobby
Oh no. Anyways
Which cables are readily accessible? Which cables are readily accessible but not easily replaceable?
/me starts handing out "/s" shaped molotov cocktails
There is at least one example of the bottles exploding in sunlight. It's a reddit link.
People? No. Weasles? Yes.
I imagine they don't want to stick around too long
And have them be easily repairable?
Based on repair costs just damaging one motor should be even to scrap it.
I'm surprised this hasn't been happening in the US
It is
I think there's a better way to link Lemmy posts, but I don't know how to fix it.
They just catch fire sometimes, so it's hard to tell.
That's how you boycott something
In before the shit lobs start crying about how you're only hurting the poor working class Tesla dealership owners, not Elon himself.
Good thing Tesla follows a direct sales model and their dealerships are really just company owned store rooms as opposed to some massive corporate go-between that's "only there to protect customers" while inflating financing pricing to skim $$, bolting on overpriced accessories, etc. Those massive corporate interests that spent $80.8 million lobying for their existence in 2022 are surely here to help the little guy/gal.
It's already here.
I've seen assholes right here on lemmy decrying "I bought one before I knew he was a POS! How dare you imply I should sell it!"
Same fuckers crawl out of the woodwork to defend food delivery apps because "but some people need them!"
The reality is Americans are soft as fuck and are not ready for the hard times that are coming.
I wasn't there though... Do it again so I can see.
If the finances there work the way I expect they do, if it was political activists upset about Elon Musk who burned the cars, that probably doesn't have a lot of negative impact on Elon Musk.
My guess is that the dealership owned the cars, and that they're probably insured on top of that. The insurer pays. So the net effect is going to be a tiny amount of upwards pressure in French auto insurance costs. The dealership will use insurance money to go buy replacement Teslas. Thus, Tesla will get several more sales, paid for by the French public.
Why did the dealership buy more Teslas with that money instead of a different brand?
Do dealers not deal with a single manufacturer in france?
Oh right, I forgot they mostly do that in the USA don't they? Don't know if France does, but Finland has multibrand dealerships
Well, for some dumb reason we followed the american model for dealerships in Canada.
That only holds true, if no more than a tiny amount of Teslas in dealerships start burning. However if many start burning, insurance will drop coverage, dealers will look to sell other cars, and Tesla will loose serious revenue.
This risk is unique to Teslas. So if an insurer applied the cost to all brands, they would create an adverse selection problem where Tesla owners buy the subsidized insurance at a greater rate, and other car owners would be driven to the competition.
This is why they ask so many questions when insuring your car, like if it's a red Ferrari. Eeeeeverything goes into the algorithm.
A dozen? That’s it? They can do better than that.
That's a shame. /Seinfeld
The Americans: Leave a strongly worded note on the dashboard.
The French: Light that shit up!
Nice
Nice
Get these French folks to Grünheide ASAP!
Insurance payout likely softens Tesla’s blow; pointless destruction.
🐱🐱🐱
Until insurance makes you uninsurable.
This dude has never dealt with insurance claims.
They must really hate that dealerships insurance company. I don't think that even registeres with Elon.
To hurt them you have to strike closer to home.