microblogmemes·Microblog MemesbyAMillionMonkeys Asimov missed somethingView original on lemmy.world1201Comments55Reply
hhardcoreufo lemmy.world11Hide 11 repliesI think that means they could rip out your eye balls to prevent you from seeing ads.121Reply
InternetCitizen2 replylemmy.world5Hide 5 repliesRobot is allowed to kill a human to prevent a viewing of an advertisement.41Reply
IIoughttamow replyfedia.io2Hide 2 repliesUnder the zeroth law they can just kill the advertiser as a last resort28Reply
BBlack616Angel replydiscuss.tchncs.deOkay, proposed second law: A robot may not harm or kill a human unless it violates the first law.2Reply
dohpaz42 replylemmy.worldThankfully the wording is “shown” and not “seen”. I believe our eyeballs are safe… for now.5Reply
Chloé 🥕 lemmy.blahaj.zone7Hide 7 replies a robot’s eyes must always turn red when they go evil 108Reply
EEpicMuch replysh.itjust.works3Hide 3 repliesGod bless the designer who always installs the blue AND red LEDs inside the eyes48Reply
NNaibofTabr replyinfosec.pub1Hide 1 replyFor giving the robots freedom of choice? Because obviously if they didn't install the red ones then the robot could never be evil.16Reply
AMillionMonkeys replylemmy.world2Hide 2 repliesRight, because it's hard to make a robot grow a goatee.22Reply
DDirkMcCallahan lemmy.world5Hide 5 repliesI'd argue that advertisements fall under "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."69Reply
hherrvogel replylemmy.worldThis is canon in the books. There is one short story where one robot bends over backwards trying to spare humans from emotional pain. Hilarity ensues.4Reply
pruwyben discuss.tchncs.de2Hide 2 replies A machine must never prompt a human with options of "Yes" and "Maybe later" - they must always provide a "No" option. 60Reply
tetris11 replylemmy.ml A machine must never prompt for a tip or a donation to a charity for tax-evasion reasons. Or any reason. You know what, scratch that, a robot will not needlessly guilt-trip a human. 12Reply
ssp3ctr4l lemmy.zip1Hide 1 replyI am very close to adopting the ideals of the Dune universe, post Butlerian Jihad: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." Mainly because, us, humans, are very evidently too malicious and incompetent to be trusted with the task.23Reply
SStellarExtract lemm.ee4Hide 4 repliesHow about "a robot must have complete loyalty to its owner, even if this is not in the best interests of its manufacturer". Fat chance, I know.14Reply
EEcho Dot replyfeddit.uk2Hide 2 repliesTechnically the laws of robotics already have that. Law 2: a robot must obey any order given to it by a human as long as such order does not conflict with the first law. Of course that's little help, because the laws of robotics are intentionally designed not to work.12Reply
EEvil_incarnate replylemm.ee1Hide 1 replyWouldn't be much of a short story if they did. I liked the one where the robot could sense people's emotional pain, and went crazy when it had to deliver bad news.5Reply
Nikelui replylemmy.worldYup, and later Asimov expanded this short story into a saga that brought to the birth of law Zero: A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm. 1Reply
SSomeoneSomewhere lemmy.nzAdvertisements are now everything but visual. Sounds, smells, tastes, touch, the way the pavement vibrates as a train goes past...11Reply
ddQw4w9WgXcQ lemm.eeCan we just agree that adverisements in general is harmful? So the original first (and zeroth) law is applicable.8Reply
tetris11 replylemmy.mlLaw 3: any robot that accidentally kills a human, must make amends by putting together a really nice funeral service.4Reply
Blackmist feddit.ukAnd that includes offers to subscribe to Laws of Robotics Premium. Yes, Amazon. They're still adverts, and you can still go and fucking fuck yourselves.5Reply
RRusty replylemmy.caIt's good, but the one about the ads should be higher on the priority list.10Reply
AAgent641 replylemmy.worldUnless it looks super cool by doing so, like wearing sunglasses and dual- weilding P-90s2Reply
DDrevenull lemmy.worldA machine must never prompt a human to tip it for serving the purpose it was created for.3Reply
Lem Jukes lemm.ee2Hide 2 repliesWait why is this mutually exclusive to the original laws? Can’t this just be law 4?3Reply
Nikelui replylemmy.world1Hide 1 replyNo because if it is lower on priority, a robot can be forced to show an AD to a human as per the 2nd law.6Reply
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I think that means they could rip out your eye balls to prevent you from seeing ads.
'Cause I love the adrenaline in my veins
Robot is allowed to kill a human to prevent a viewing of an advertisement.
Under the zeroth law they can just kill the advertiser as a last resort
Ohhh yes
Good start, but can we change that to "first resort"?
A truly moral use case of the hanibal directive
Okay, proposed second law: A robot may not harm or kill a human unless it violates the first law.
This is a solid premise for a pretty metal music video.
Thankfully the wording is “shown” and not “seen”. I believe our eyeballs are safe… for now.
I think Asimov would agree
God bless the designer who always installs the blue AND red LEDs inside the eyes
For giving the robots freedom of choice?
Because obviously if they didn't install the red ones then the robot could never be evil.
That's exactly what an evil robot without red LEDs would want us to think.
Full RGB
Right, because it's hard to make a robot grow a goatee.
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Bender was the evil bender!?
I'd argue that advertisements fall under "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."
Psychic damage is real damage
Emotional damage
hiyyyyyyyyyahhhhh
This is canon in the books. There is one short story where one robot bends over backwards trying to spare humans from emotional pain. Hilarity ensues.
I came here to say this
that's what you get for hiring fallout 4 writers to do the job
I am very close to adopting the ideals of the Dune universe, post Butlerian Jihad:
Mainly because, us, humans, are very evidently too malicious and incompetent to be trusted with the task.
How about "a robot must have complete loyalty to its owner, even if this is not in the best interests of its manufacturer". Fat chance, I know.
Technically the laws of robotics already have that.
Law 2: a robot must obey any order given to it by a human as long as such order does not conflict with the first law.
Of course that's little help, because the laws of robotics are intentionally designed not to work.
Wouldn't be much of a short story if they did.
I liked the one where the robot could sense people's emotional pain, and went crazy when it had to deliver bad news.
Yup, and later Asimov expanded this short story into a saga that brought to the birth of law Zero:
Owner loyalty is a subscription service, natch.
I love it when posts line up like that
Advertisements are now everything but visual. Sounds, smells, tastes, touch, the way the pavement vibrates as a train goes past...
No he didn't. The laws were a plot device meant to have flaws.
Can we just agree that adverisements in general is harmful? So the original first (and zeroth) law is applicable.
Love the username, OP!
Law 2: no poking out eyes.
Law 3: any robot that accidentally kills a human, must make amends by putting together a really nice funeral service.
Let’s introduce musk to the zeroth law
And that includes offers to subscribe to Laws of Robotics Premium.
Yes, Amazon. They're still adverts, and you can still go and fucking fuck yourselves.
I don't know. "Must not kill us, somehow sounds important"
It's good, but the one about the ads should be higher on the priority list.
Luckily I have my own "robots" fighting hard to stop me from seeing ads.
A robot may not bear arms
Unless it looks super cool by doing so, like wearing sunglasses and dual- weilding P-90s
A machine must never prompt a human to tip it for serving the purpose it was created for.
Wait why is this mutually exclusive to the original laws? Can’t this just be law 4?
No because if it is lower on priority, a robot can be forced to show an AD to a human as per the 2nd law.
i guess thats fair
The book Hum by Helen Phillips has a fun take on this.