Steam On Linux Usage Spikes To Nearly 2% In July, Larger Marketshare Than Apple macOS
According to these new numbers from Valve, the Linux customer base is up to 1.96%, or a 0.52% jump over June! That's a huge jump with normally just moving 0.1% or so in either direction most months... It's also near an all-time high on a percentage basis going back to the early days of Steam on Linux when it had around a 2% marketshare but at that time the Steam customer size in absolute numbers was much smaller a decade ago than it is now. So if the percentage numbers are accurate, this is likely the largest in absolute terms that the Linux gaming marketshare has ever been.
Data from Valve: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=combined
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Thank god for Valve and how awesome they've been to Linux users
I really hope they release Steam OS for everyone soon. I'd love to install it on my laptop, currently running ChimeraOS which is functionally very similar, but would love to have the stuff like tdp control working in the overlays too without needing third party tools or workarounds.
It would be especially cool for the other handhelds out there like the ROG Ally
I know that there is that unofficial HoloISO that people use for desktop, it seems to work just fine but i would prefer an official distro release myself
Main downside for that is there's 0 support for Nvidia GPU's
Now we just need an open source steam client and they will be the literal proof that companies can contribute to GNU/Linux and still stay on top.
lutris?
Too young for what? I'm older than the company is and I don't recall any devilish controversies.
Are you getting them confused with another company? Valve's done bad things in the past of course, but they're still a lot better than most other gaming companies that I know of. I typically put Valve alongside companies like Capcom and Sega as "one of the not bad ones" in terms of malicious practices.
I understand and that was one of the things I was thinking of when I said "Valve’s done bad things in the past of course". But when you compare them to many other AAA publishers, I don't see how Valve is particularly bad. Especially when you start bringing up lootboxes. Unlike many other publishes that go these same bad practices, and at a larger scale at that, value has done some good too, and is generally much more permissive about things like fanworks, and that does a lot to build good will. I don't see what's "short memory" about this.
And I'm not even saying that I love valve or anything either, but the devil? Compared to other publishers?
So awesome they run a monopoly on videogames through their useless closed source spyware.
Well, their position is what allowed them to do so much for Linux. And their desire to distance themselves from Microsoft, which I'm absolutely on board with.
Of course they did it because it benefits themselves. But it doesn't only benefit themselves, which is more than you can say about many others.
When giants are fighting, we the little ones can benefit, if we're smart.
The only desire they have for is money, this is the same company that doesn't mind promoting gambling to kids. Their stupid ass closed source launcher that shouldn't exist needed to run software is a million light years away from what Linux stand for
There are other colours than black and white, you know?
I fully agree that Valve has their share of issues. There's things I too don't like about them, but that doesn't mean the good they do is worthless.
Bringing their spyware to linux isn't anything good
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steam
"This program is spyware because it collects huge amounts of user information, including but not limited to your Home Address, Telephone Number, Credit Card Number, and Internet Search History. Steam also profiles your hardware, communications through Steam's social networking features, and contains a mandatory self-updater. Steam will not work without an internet connection."
Seems like they need to collect your address, telephone, and credit card number to process payments? Steam is it's own internet browser, so the browser data it collects is from itself, not your personal browser.
You seem paranoid and this website seems to be incorrect or purposely stating things in a misleading way, oh and steam does work without and Internet connection
Steam shares your informations with third parties. Zetta you don't seem to mind much so why don't you tell us your real name, give us your home address, your telephone number and post a log or your search history? Don't tell me you are paranoid
Did I ever say that I like how much data they collect? No.
That is absolutely one of the things I greatly dislike.
Linux FTW. Number 1 on servers, now number 2 on Steam! Watch out, Microsoft /s
Good, now we need devs to officially support Linux.
I noticed that wine/dxvk/proton works better than many native Linux versions. This is usually because the game studio does not think Linux is a priority and ships a half-assed implementation. Better to use the optimized version through wine/proton/dxvk.
I just want games officially supported for proton. Linux ABI is still way too inconsistent compared to Wines, and a bitch to work with. Not to mention, performance tends to be better on proton games lol.
Well, "officially support" can just mean check if their game runs via proton on the Steam Deck at launch. Fine by me, that is the bare minimum I expect, but to be fair launch day support on linux is still a fairly new thing. Not something I would have expected just a few short years ago.
Yes! Not only do I have a Deck, but I've switched my main PC to Linux. Sick of Micro$oft's shit!
I'm sure 99% of it is Steam Decks
The post says ~42 % is Steam OS
Actually its only 44% steam decks!
@cipherlab @pnutzh4x0r Nonetheless, it's quite the achievement. That's exactly what Linux needs: visible, tangible and reputable hardware that's ostensibly better than the competition. It's great to be flexible, but you still need to have a face.
Less than that though they are a large slice.
Most Windows and practically all Mac instances are preinstalled by the hardware vendor. There are very few companies selling preinstalled Linux gaming machines other than the Steam Deck. I expect they might be a majority of new Linux steam users for some time as they are by far the lowest entry cost in terms of hardware, prerequisite technical knowledge and time.
Many gamers who dabble with Linux are still taking the path of least resistance and dual booting for gaming. Linux first people like myself will continue to grow in number but as long as it is a DIY thing realistically we will always be a few percent at best as most people want a simpler out of box gaming experience.
Due to the steam summer sale perhaps?
I found way to many Linux gamers in the wild. So no, they are not Steam Decks.
Count me as one of those new Linux users. I've been trying to switch since the 90's and Linux gaming is finally viable. I know this is in large part thanks to Valve, so thanks, Valve!
The day win10 stops being supported is the day I switch to Linux
If the games you are playing don't run on linux than you are mostly playing crap designed by people who's main goal is to empty your pockets and who think that you are stupid
Or you are playing games made on a tight budget focusing on the largest userbase: windows (>90% according to Steam hardware survey)
That clearly does not apply for most of the games holding people back from switching to Linux. It's mostly going to be games like Destiny 2, PUBG, Rainbox Six, Call of Duty, Battlefield, heck probably even Roblox now.
And funnily enough a lot of indie games do support linux, mostly because are build using engines that make it easy. So I personally reject the claim that it's games made on a tight budget. Those are going to be few and far between.
why are you guys downvoting him, he's right
I know countless amazing indie developers who can only afford to target and support Windows as Linux doesn’t generate them any or enough income. They certainly aren’t trying to empty anyone’s pockets, instead supporting their games for years and constantly adding new content for free.
Linux gamers don’t buy every game that developers have put the time and effort into shipping native binaries. Proton is the ideal stop gap until Linux has a bigger user base that can result in a return on investment for native binaries.
"Don't run on linux" does include via Wine/Proton.
I wouldn't call them amazing if they would rather focus on free/pay content rather than releasing binaries for linux. I wouldn't call them amazing either if they consider releasing binaries as an investment.
There's plenty of devs who work on their games without the ambition to bank the stock market.
https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
Did you just wake up today and decide to be an asshole, or is this your usual temperament?
Ugh right? People like that make others not want to use Linux out of spite.
-311 comment points in 8 days. Clearly their usual temperament.
It’s festering toxicity like that user displays that turns developers away from Linux. Would you want support tickets from someone like them?
I also found it hilarious they linked a wiki I’ve been contributing to for years hahaha.
I've never looked back to Windows since switching my gaming rig to Linux about a year ago.
One of my favorite things is when a game launches with a DX12 option that says "Windows 10/11 only". Au contraire, game option. You're about to run on a penguin.
Not surprised. Steam on Linux just works. Click a checkbox in settings to use Proton. Then only way it would be easier is if it would automatically detect Proton and use it. I don't think it does yet?
It automatically uses Proton for titles that Valve has whitelisted as compatible. To play anything else you need to check a box in the settings. Honestly, it should probably just be checked by default.
Probaby just to deter non tech savy people to blame all the problems on steam without realising it wasn't made for linux in first place. There may not be a lot but with how popular steam deck is, I won't be surprised if a lot of people are trying out linux for the first time.
I think enabling steam compatibility for all titles do exactly that?
I did my first Linux Steam hardware survey yesterday so I'm doing my part!
man, I missed it! Is it still going on?
Valve claims it's monthly but my previous survey was October last year so I doubt that. I don't believe it was related to the article in the OP. They seem to just randomly pop up after an update. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
Nice. Steam with Proton works really great for me so far. If only wine would be as good for other software. Trying to get my Affinity products to work on wine or DAZ Studio is a nightmare and I probably will just use a VM 😩.
I used to check winehq or protondb before buying games. I don't do that anymore because everything just works in Linux these days.
I bet the Deck has a lot to do with this.
It does, but as a result we can now set up Linux on other machines and play a huge range of games. This removes one of the main obstacles for many people with Linux.
Love the Deck. I actually finish games with retro or pixel art aesthics with the deck compared to my PC or consoles. The pick up and go aspect and the smaller screen helps me keep coming back to it instead of abandoning it.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Great that Linux is getting more representation overall though. Wonder how anti-cheat implementations work nowadays, I remember them not being supported on Linux before, so games didn't run.
Actually the common anti cheat solutions provided Linux support for a while, but the developers/publishers have been choosing not to enable it.
Hardly surprising, especially with SteamDeck's popularity. Great news regardless! Steam is really making a difference here.
I'm doing my part, I have installed Steam on two new Ubuntu installs recently, lol.
I'm one of these statistics. I got a cheap SSD on Prime Day and installed Pop!_OS. The first thing I did was install Steam.
I still boot to Windows the majority of my time because of other apps or games that I need but I'm trying to get away from Windows.
I would fully switch to linux - I have done some dabbling with it, including setting up a media PC w/ steam on it - but I cannot run any of my business or productivity apps.
Specifically, Autocad, Revit, and VR software do not work. So wahwah
On the same boat, I would gladly change, but most of my collaborators still use software you can only use on windows, I could use VMs or emulators, but it usually breaks my workflow anyway.
NixOS on steam deck is currently my daily driver because it's dedicated, portable linux hardware with better than iGPU performance I can actually afford. Having said that I'm only about a week in, but adding Jovian NixOS modules to my previous configs has been enough to make it a pretty solid experience so far. Amazing portable gaming is a nice bonus.
How does NixOS compare to SteamOS on the Deck? Does it work just as smooth? Also, is EMUDeck compatible with NixOS?
Well, I'm certainly helping with that.
Running Garuda, and I can play so many of my favorite games.
I also have GOG games, they usually run great too. I have Fallout New Vegas and runs incridibly well on just wine.
What is Garuda? Quickly googling didn't help me for some reason
Is an Arch based distribution. It comes pre-riced and comes with shit preloaded so you just start gaming. I like how the KDE dragonized looks, and also is very convinient, since I wanted to start gaming without too much of a hassle.
I have a steam deck but I also recently changed from Windows to Pop!_OS on my gaming rig. I'm very much enjoying it so far
Is Pop OS the new "I use Arch" meme? I see people mentioning it almost everywhere linux is talked about.
Pop OS is based off of Ubuntu so I mean makes sense.
Kinda sad people dismiss Linux Mint, but I can definitely see how PopOS can appeal more to users.
@Holzkohlen @Neil
I have used Pop!_OS and nothing but it, for almost three years on my computer; I am sure there are sexier distros out there, but it gets the job done. Nothing wrong with Mint either.
Nah, people aren't smug about using POP OS it's more like Ubuntu for gamers.
I don't think so. Maybe I'm misunderstood, but the "I use Arch" meme was meming on the fact that using Arch was a flex, like it's harder to get into, and you're a true blooded Linux user if you're using Arch.
Whereas, Pop_OS is kind of the opposite. I'm fairly new to Linux (been using a Linux system as my daily driver for about a year), and Pop_OS was recommended as a beginner-friendly distro. Plus, it worked well with Nvidia cards with minimal effort. So maybe it seems like a lot of people are using Pop_OS and are bringing it up, because there are a lot of newer Linux users.
Because it's just amazing for new users, much better than Ubuntu.
I think it's basically the recommendation if you use Nvidia cards, since I think they have the most up to date Nvidia drivers? Could be wrong but that was the spiel last time I tried it.
Their installer automatically just has the proprietary drivers, which is really helpful for newer users.
Why is Pop OS required? Can't you simply use their nVidia drivers in other Linux distributions?
The process is less streamlined. There isn't some universal installer that works on all distributions. Especially not for drivers.
Basically when you install Pop OS it's just available. It's usually...not on a lot of Linux distributions.
I will bet money it's not a proprietary driver and simply copied from another project. Where can I see the source code?
Edit: yep, it's actually the stock Nvidia drivers that you can build and install on literally any Linux OS (and easier on Arch if you use paru by typing "paru nvidia"). So Pop OS implementation is nothing special.
Well yeah, the point is that they provide the driver from the beginning by including it in the ISO, meaning you dont need to set up the driver after installation and it just works
It's just a neat little distro. Probably the only one I've used that haven't imploded itself with daily use so far.
POP!_OS is also amazing because of System76s computer manufacturing efforts and the fact that they are building a wayland compositor desktop environment apart from GNOME and KDE which will probably have its first stable release on Ubuntu 24.04.
It's the most excited I've been for a while.
Pop is no meme, it's awesome and easy.
maybe if valve recompiled tf2 for fucking 64 bit macOS users would use steam more it's 2023 for fucks sake
Steam still runs on Rosetta2. They just gave up and aren't even trying anymore, probably thanks to apples hostility to them and no Vulkan
that's their prerogative but then no one should be surprised when Mac usage slumps
Previous 12 months:
June 2023: -0.03%
May 2023: +0.15%
April 2023: +0.48%
March 2023: -0.43%
February 2023: -0.11%
January 2023: no difference
December 2023: -0.06%
November 2022: +0.16%
October 2022: +0.05%
September 2022: -0.04%
August 2022: +0.04%
July 2022: +0.05%
It would seem Linux among Steam users shows a growth tendency.
Hopefully this tendency keeps going strong!
What happened in April and March?
Looks like it was around the end of March when Valve announced the date they'd end support for Win7 and Win8. So perhaps a part of the Windows userbase went to Linux. If for fear, as a final push to drop Windows, etc., I don't know, but perhaps they may have influenced.
I switched to Linux last year, and have been having a mostly smooth single-player experience. It's not perfect, but the improvements that have been made in Linux gaming (in large part by Valve) are undeniable.
Ask yourself why is not perfect
Plenty of people ask themselves that, which is precisely why so much work has been done to improve it.
Like come one, just drop your attitude here.
It's interesting that Lemmy is still small enough I can remember a shithead from yesterday with a certain username that is also being a shithead today...
Suck on that apple
Steam is spyware ditch that shit, if you can't because you MUST play your games you are a junkie with an addiction
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steam
Why isn't anyone talking about how much this link is exaggerating all of it's points? Did anyone read it? Disclaimer: I use steam and I take the good with the bad.
It collects your address, CC info, name etc -- It's an online store. You give it this info to purchase things. It's quite clear why this is happening. Don't like it? Don't shop online. Actually, don't use a credit/debit card at all because they are certainly recording your spending habits and selling that data.
t was proven that Steam's VAC system records your internet history and uploads it to an official Valve server -- This claim is from a Reddit thread. These redditors reverse engineered some VAC stuff (anticheat for some games like Counterstrike) and found that Steam was (and may no longer be) hashing visited URLS. These hashes were checked locally (within the software, not over the internet) against a list of known hashes for URLS for cheat software. If positive, these hashes were sent over the internet to valve, and could be used for evidence to ban cheaters. This is bad! It is recording user's internet habits without their knowledge or consent. HOWEVER, it is a total exaggeration to claim Valve is just recording all your internet history and sending it to a server somewhere. Could they do it? This is a risk for closed-sourced software but this isn't what was happening.
Steam records and publicly broadcasts your program usage habits -- Steam does track your program use habits and this is bad! Every console does this now, though, unless you decide to not connect it to the internet. But this site also claims it does it publicly and this is an exaggeration: You are anonymous on steam to the "public" unless you de-anonymize yourself, and you can turn off your "public" broadcast of game play in the settings. The author seems to think steam is a social media network: It only is if you use it that way. It doesn't recommend friends to you or send you news articles or whatever.
Steam attempts to collect your telephone number -- Account theft is a problem on steam. The phone number thing is a way they can implement two-factor for people allergic to learning how to secure their accounts (some people on steam are also children, I must point out). This makes their platform harder for scammers to use. I use their phone app for two-factor authentication, I don't know if they accept other 3rd party authenticators.
Steam requires an internet connection etc It's an online storefront program???? You knew what you were getting into when you downloaded it. I don't like how it needs to be constantly connected, this is bad, true.
Steam is self-updating software -- It's DRM yes, true. It's annoying, sure.
Yes, I totally get it, I could live in the woods, just use cash to purchase everything and only play unpatched games on offline consoles I don't connect to the internet. Don't all AAA games come with some form of DRM these days? Does the person who wrote this article also avoid streaming services and digital cable because it also records your entertainment habits? Do you, @[email protected]? Are you addicted to streaming services and debit cards?
Anyway, this is a ridiculous burden for the consumer to avoid all this. That's my point. If you'd like this to change, it needs legislation to restrict what corporations do with our data, not SCARY CAPS LOCK IN RED TEXT.
Steam shares your informations with third parties. Since you don't live in the woods would you mind sharing your name, telephone number and CC info with us?
I don't need to do this. I already gave it to Steam, why don't you write an email and get it from them?
Already did that, i offered them a bunch of money and they will sell me all your data
How about letting people enjoy things? If you don't want to play games or have access to the biggest gaming library there is currently, then it's fine, won't blame you. People have the freedom to decide if they want to limit their privacy a bit (while things stated on that website like credit card, address, browsing history, chat logs and forum posts are like: no shit, they sell games, have an internal browser and chats and forums, of course they do that. And with that defenition, you are currently as well on a spyware platform, because your posts are saved unencrypted on your homeserver) to have access to their games where some have invested A LOT of money in, before knowing about such things.
And before you say: but it is open source!: Doesn't hold the administrators back from still selling your data using software analyzing the database. And to give more examples what would be spyware with their definition:
Talking about lemmy, easy to miss the transition
Yes, sorry, wasn't well written.
How is this person's criticism preventing you from enjoying things?
The criticism itself is not. Throwing assumptions like "you are an addict if you continue to use this platform no matter what your reason is" (which is what I read out of this person's comment) around is also not preventing anyone from enjoying things. I just thought that specifically this assumption was overshot and it read like a straight up insult. I do get it now at least a bit although especially because they just insulted me without any arguments, I still guess that they just insulted people and not gave them a diagnosis of an addiction.
Oh, that person was definitely insulting people and accusing them of addiction, and it wasn't cool at all. I just think the whole "let people enjoy things" retort is ridiculous and overdone.
Yeah ok, I understand that.
I do go with you, that nobody is stopping them using it. I was just pissed from the statement of the author of the comment, saying, if you don't stop using it, you are just an addict. That is simply not true, because of the bullshit DRM, one is bound to the platform. I aswell try to get away from DRM as much as possible but I of course reject ditching Steam completely. I won't throw away all the games I bought just to get rid of "spyware" or rather not-perfectly-privacy-friendly-marketplace-software using the horror DRM is.
Which one(s)? Very interested to know if Valve is breaking the law by operating their digital storefront.
Rights are not a purely legal concept. You can have rights that are not codified by law.
Sure, but in that case it should absolutely be specified what type of "right" we're referring to. I'm guessing this falls in category of moral rights? They're breaking our moral rights by operating the same way each other digital storefront does.
Sure, I get that, but as I said, if you already "own" quite some amount of games on steam I think it's reasonable to not have your money completely wasted by refusing to use steam at all. Social bindings are an "issue" as well. If the multiplayer game you want to play with your friends is for some reason bound to steam, then many will choose their friends over their privacy. And I think we all know how hard it is to get others away from their comfort zone. Same with the debate to get rid of Discord.
Huh, didn't know that there are workarounds for some games to get rid of DRM. Good to know.
Steam pushed gambling down their throat with lootboxes. They now have to play and win prizes or their dopamine hits the floor
You have the absolute freedom to be stupid and i have the absolute freedom to call you an idiot
Sad that you don't even try to defend your view but rather resort to straight up insult me instead. That's how we discuss in the internet nowadays.
Sad that you can't understand someone making a point
Ok so this will be the last comment on this thread, I just want to make one final thing clear and I suggest that we get out of our way afterwards.
I totally understand, that selling data to third parties is a bad thing, but even your cited site doesn't claim, that valve sells one's private data to third parties and their privacy policy also doesn't state it (at least the german version I have read through), even more they explicitly state in 5. that they don't sell data to third parties. They only state that they give it to third parties where they more or less have to.
Now one has to decide if they trust valve to hold on their own PP but that is always the case for every platform, even open source ones,because again, no one can easily verify, that they don't do shady business with your data, because they won't give you ssh access for obvious reasons.
Don't get me wrong, I am pretty paranoid as well: I don't use any Microsoft products anymore (except minecraft), I stay away from Meta and Google as well by using e.g. signal and matrix for communication and have lineage on my phone, I use noscript because I don't trust every website's JavaScript and host my own instances for gaming servers, git and other stuff on my netcup server.
But I step out at some point where convenience wins over more privacy and security. I don't package and compile everything myself, have verified the souce code before myself, because I trust the maintainers. I don't have a completely open hardware PC, where I have built and verified everything myself, because I trust chosen manufacturers that they haven't tampered with it (and don't have the time or even money to do that).
Technically we have the absolute freedom to call you an idiot too though. Nobody has to care about what you think matters.
Cool article, but it bases most of its claims off Valve’s ToS for steam, their privacy policy, and an old Reddit post that has multiple people disputing its claims in comments. So no actual traffic snooping or any individual research into what the application is actually doing.
Yea they’re definitely going to store purchase-related information (Name, Address, Cc info, etc.), just about every digital storefront does. Where’s the actual danger at?
Would you mind sharing your name and address and cc info? I need these for a scientific research, you can send them in pm if you don't want to post them here, i promise that i won't share them with anyone else
Lol. So you're go-to argument for this is false equivalence. Steam is a digital storefront. Vavle can't process digital payments without that information.
Also, research funding is a very real thing and anyone requiring funding is using an actual payment processor (Stripe, PayPal, Wire/ACH) which is going to require that information anyway.
Do you operate a payment processing company? Where can I find your privacy and compliance policy? Why do I need to send my financial credentials directly to you (an individual)?
Yeah that argument falls apart very quickly when we apply real-world policies to your hamstrung argument.
I've bought and play hundreds of games without having to provide a single information.
Great anecdote, but that doesn't change the fact that any storefront that processes digital purchases and handles currency is going to require payment information and is essentially required to record that info to stay in compliance with federal regulations. At least here in the US where Valve is based. So remind us all what your argument here is?
Most of these stores sell your data to third parties and do that just for profits. Remember that we are on the linux sub. What data was recorded when you bought your linux?
Sure. But until you bring some proof that Valve is actually selling my financial data, I'm going to chalk this up to baseless claims. So far, all the proof you've provided has been a hysterical article that cites Valve's own ToS and Privacy Policy and makes claims that Valve is basically operating the exact same way as all other digital storefronts do when consumers make purchases online. It also claimed that Valve is tracking my internet history citing a reddit thread with multiple comments debunking the claim.
That depends. I use actual RHEL quite a bit considering it's what I'm familiar with and what's used in my workplace. Before I could setup any of my personal servers that use RHEL9, I had to provide all the exact same information you requested. My laptop is running FreeBSD, which cost me nothing considering it's not sold in a storefront. Not sure what you're getting at with this unless this is once again some false equivalence.
Look, I'm all for moving away from Steam if there's an actual compelling reason to do so. Valve doing illegal shit that no one's reported is certainly a legitimate reason for me to move off the platform, but neither you nor the only other person in this thread claiming Valve is the literal devil have provided any legitimate reasons not to use the platform. If all it takes is a hysterical article with some bogus claims and bold text for you change how you consume products, I got this huge bridge to sell you.
@stappern @zer0 steam ??
@stappern "gaming outside of steam"
@stappern oh ok. Game console? Don't have one, can't afford