It's not news to anyone paying attention, but that weird Tesla fanatic uncle is going to find it a bit harder to rationalise an actual unambiguous world-famous Nazi gesture. We've even got those worshippers over here, and anyone reasonable who was on the fence with their pro-Musk proselyting can't overlook something this clear.
but that weird Tesla fanatic uncle is going to find it a bit harder to rationalise an actual unambiguous world-famous Nazi gesture
We're already seeing their responses in the wild. They're just denying it was a Nazi salute. And playing the "woke cancel culture leftists are taking him out of context" card.
And playing the “woke cancel culture leftists are taking him out of context” card.
An Australian neo-Nazi speaker recently pulled this coward move too, laughably. (Context: in their jurisdiction, the salute is illegal*).
Nazi promotion event 1: After [...] performing the Nazi salute, Mr Richardson asked the crowd if he was “going be fined now”.[1]
Nazi promotion event 2: i-i was just waving at my friend Beryl in the back row and they screencapped it out of context, it wasn't a salute :( leftism gone mad
You're right, and I think I forgot to mention this in my reply - will people looking at those fans overlook it? When Musk was seen by many as a brilliant humanitarian ethical billionaire championing green vehicles and space innovation, that could be persuasive to typical people. But it's harder for typical people to respect any praise them now they've clearly unmasked themselves on a stage as a nazi.
I cannot understand the true believers. The people who are saying (1) its a Roman salute or (2) its a "My heart goes out to you" gesture.
They can twist themselves into knots with any other conspiracy theory, but cannot imagine the richest/smartest man to ever exist could figure out how to throw out a plausibly deniable Nazi salute.
This is Sideshow Bob explaining his DIE BART DIE tattoo.
We are being gaslit by half a country. That was a Nazi salute.
While the final pose is practically identical to a Nazi solute, the motion is completely different. Hitler's lifts straight up, like a crane; Musk's sweeps out from the heart. That's why I was not sure.
Okay, I reviewed what the actual Nazi salute looks like. Having done this, I actually do think this strongly resembles a Nazi salute. I think p>80% this was intentional.
I still think it's possible this was unintentional, and even more likely that it was intended to toe the line of plausible deniability. When I show this to people in real life, they are unsure, so I don't think it's as clean-cut and undeniable as people on social media are saying it is.
Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, attributed to the Roman salute, a gesture that was popularly believed to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.
But yes, an obscure salute that was only used for a couple of decades over 80 years ago is very American...
Unfortunately for you, context matters. No matter how American this used to be you can't plan to do a salute like this without planning for it to have clear connotations with the Nazi salute.
Unfortunately for you, you repeated a talking point that is common right now even among purported leftist with no indication that it's satire. It makes sense that the community reacted the same exact way they would to people they don't want in this community who post that stuff unironically.
Mask fully off
Musk fully on.
Mask off Musk on
His fortune is built on seed money from apartheid south africa. How is it news he has a nazi fetish?
It's not news to anyone paying attention, but that weird Tesla fanatic uncle is going to find it a bit harder to rationalise an actual unambiguous world-famous Nazi gesture. We've even got those worshippers over here, and anyone reasonable who was on the fence with their pro-Musk proselyting can't overlook something this clear.
We're already seeing their responses in the wild. They're just denying it was a Nazi salute. And playing the "woke cancel culture leftists are taking him out of context" card.
An Australian neo-Nazi speaker recently pulled this coward move too, laughably. (Context: in their jurisdiction, the salute is illegal*).
Nazi promotion event 1: After [...] performing the Nazi salute, Mr Richardson asked the crowd if he was “going be fined now”. [1]
Nazi promotion event 2: i-i was just waving at my friend Beryl in the back row and they screencapped it out of context, it wasn't a salute :( leftism gone mad
Don't worry, antifascists bashed their office door in on Christmas regardless.
They can and will ignore it.
Many will find a away to overlook it. Even some commenters in this post found a way.
You're right, and I think I forgot to mention this in my reply - will people looking at those fans overlook it? When Musk was seen by many as a brilliant humanitarian ethical billionaire championing green vehicles and space innovation, that could be persuasive to typical people. But it's harder for typical people to respect any praise them now they've clearly unmasked themselves on a stage as a nazi.
No shit, he actually did haha
Or he fucked up his dab
he did it twice, with the hand going from the chest out. No chance it was accidental
The post you commented on links to the video... If you need an alternate link, here's the video on NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/elon-musk-delivers-remarks-at-trump-s-inaugural-rally-229787717860
If you've seen any leaked footage from neo-Nazi orgs, they're surprisingly garbage at performing the salute. It's actually amazing.
there are 2 salutes in the USA, o7 and hand over heart. This was very explicitly what it "appears to" be, and there is no excuse.
I've always wondered what o7 was all about, thanks.
you are welcome~
O7 commander
I cannot understand the true believers. The people who are saying (1) its a Roman salute or (2) its a "My heart goes out to you" gesture.
They can twist themselves into knots with any other conspiracy theory, but cannot imagine the richest/smartest man to ever exist could figure out how to throw out a plausibly deniable Nazi salute.
This is Sideshow Bob explaining his DIE BART DIE tattoo.
We are being gaslit by half a country. That was a Nazi salute.
The fact that he's a Nazi shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. He's named after a character in a book written by a very famous Nazi, his fortune comes from Apartheid South Africa, his grandfather was a leader of a pro-Hitler fascist movement in the '30s and '40s.
So at what point do you actually become a Nazi is it when start doing the seig heils or do you need to be like goose stepping down the street first?
Just in case you were unclear. Although some people will pretend to be confused and that this is ambiguous.
Death to amerikkka
I hope this finally persuades most European companies to "𝕏-it".
I'm glad one news site has the guts to say it
...how??
He even did it twice, as angrily as possible
His arm goes out to the side, in a beckoning motion; the nazi salute goes forward.
What the fuck world are you living in where there is any mistaking it for what it is?
While the final pose is practically identical to a Nazi solute, the motion is completely different. Hitler's lifts straight up, like a crane; Musk's sweeps out from the heart. That's why I was not sure.
"it's only a nazi salute if it is from the Nazideuxe region of France!"
thank you for being the only person here with a good sense of humour, @[email protected] could take notes :P
I was mocking you.
So what? He's out of practice? He's not historically accurate? He definitely tried to throw out a Nazi salute.
It is a Nazi salute.
Musk is just shit at performing it. It's still a Nazi salute.
I hope you gargle some balls, you stupid cunt.
good idea, i'll go do that
Consider for the moment that he's rolling his face off so he's just doing what comes natural and makes him feel warm inside.
I'm asking this genuinely, how did the salute Elon gave differ from what you think a nazi salute is?
Okay, I reviewed what the actual Nazi salute looks like. Having done this, I actually do think this strongly resembles a Nazi salute. I think p>80% this was intentional.
O shit someone changed their mind on the internet? Impossible, you must be a deep state agent
I still think it's possible this was unintentional, and even more likely that it was intended to toe the line of plausible deniability. When I show this to people in real life, they are unsure, so I don't think it's as clean-cut and undeniable as people on social media are saying it is.
I definitely think he was trying to be ambiguous, he just... failed to do so lol
Seriously? You approve of this dirtbag enough to use him as a reaction image?
But yes, an obscure salute that was only used for a couple of decades over 80 years ago is very American...
Unfortunately for you, context matters. No matter how American this used to be you can't plan to do a salute like this without planning for it to have clear connotations with the Nazi salute.
Unfortunately for you, you repeated a talking point that is common right now even among purported leftist with no indication that it's satire. It makes sense that the community reacted the same exact way they would to people they don't want in this community who post that stuff unironically.
Exactly, America is racist
Unlikely he would have known that one, being from South Africa, even at his age.
Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney must be really proud