I went to a board game convention a month ago, it was the first time I've girlmoded for something major. They put their own signs over the bathroom signs explaining that both were gender neutral and the only difference was urinals vs stalls. That made it soooo much easier on me and I was very glad
I'm a dude and i want stalls every time. I HATE pissing in a urinal next to a bunch of other people and get piss splashed on everything. So so so many bacteria.
There are well-designed urinals now that don't splash back. Add to that, If there's a divider, then the urinal is convenient, quicker and imo cleaner because you don't have to touch the stall door or lock to close it and you're not pissing on the seat or sitting down. It's literally no-contact
You can see feet under the stall door AC the recognize the shoes, or you might be walking into the restroom at the moment they exit the stall. That's how you would know.
In my experience public toilets are so badly maintained that I'd rather avoid touching any porcelain besides that of the sink. That's one of the main reasons I go for urinals. It's also often the most direct way to achieve my objectives if my only goal is to urinate, unless there are other people in which case I hover around waiting for one urinal to become less crowded or just use a stall if it doesn't look disgusting.
Indeed, I'm a furry and a few conventions I go to, even in red states, have temporary rebranding of the bathrooms to gender neutral for the duration of the convention as a requirement that the Hotel must maintain in order to keep the convention's business.
And since furries are either suspiciously wealthy or poor, but dedicated, it's a wise economic decision for said Hotel.
I don't think only gender neutral bathrooms is the way to go. There should be an all gender bathroom and a woman's bathroom. Unfortunately we live in a world where women may still feel understandably uncomfortable with men in the bathroom with them.
Note: To be clear I'm not saying the women's bathroom should be for cis women only, it should only exclude men.
My son goes to a gender neutral school, my daughter goes to a gender neutral daycare, I work in a gender neutral office, and shop at gender neutral shops.
It drives me crazy to see a single occupancy bathroom in a public space labeled as gender neutral... Just say bathroom... Or even worse they went out of the way to change it from bathroom to gender neutral... Looking at you taco bell...
Gendered bathrooms should not need to exist because bathrooms should have some dammed privacy.
In the US, there’s a door for boys and one for girls. Behind each is a giant room with some sinks and some toilets that may as well be using cardboard and tinfoil for privacy.
Go somewhere more pleasant like Sweden? You have a short hallway with 3 or 4 doors on each side, and behind each is a small restroom including a sink and a mirror.
Every real and maga-hallucinated bathroom problem largely solved.
I love the idea behind gender neutral bathrooms, but I really wish they weren't just a band-aid on the problem that is disgusting American bathrooms.
I didn't realize how much better it could be until I went to Japan. Floor to ceiling walls, doors with curvature where the door and wall meet completely eliminating door gap, buttons to play music or water sounds...wtf America. Might as well be pissing in a prison in some bathrooms here.
And if you wanna save money on too many sinks and such there is already a solution for that. Many places have the sink and mirror outside the bathroom and shared between both gendered bathrooms.
If you want to save time, money, and water, one of my favorite venues has toilets that have sinks on top of them so the water used to wash hands is collected in the tank as grey water to flush the toilet.
It's pretty great. It took over the spot of a gay bar in town which had evolved to be more of a general bar while being explicitly LGBTQ+ friendly. They had to shut down for various reasons. I/O took it over and has largely continued being LGBTQ+ friendly, but now with more pinball tables and old arcade games.
The fact public places need to explicitely say they are LGBT friendly makes our society feel dystopian. It's as if they had to say they are black people friendly or Jew friendly.
Well, for what it's worth, I don't think they make a big deal of it. In fact, the old bar had a sign to effect of "everyone is welcome here, but this is a queer space, and if you can't handle that, you will be asked to leave". I think that was taken down, but the spirit is still there.
I don't know if it's the reason, or just a side effect, but I'm pretty sure it prevents a bunch of sexual assault, or at least makes some people feel safer.
I feel like that's the only justification I've ever really heard, but I find it to be rather flimsy. It assumes that someone willing to assault someone else would be deterred by a sign. It also assumes that assaults only happen across genders and not within, which is either very narrow-minded or willfully obstinate.
Personally, I would think individual unisex bathrooms that each contain their own sink would be the safest option. You enter fully aware and lock the door behind yourself, only leaving once you are fully aware and alert again. Given that the common area between stalls is essentially public, you could have cameras observing the entrance without invading privacy and capturing anyone attempting to force their way in or tailgate someone entering a stall. Better, safer, gender neutral.
My former college has gender neutral bathroom in the gym. I have never heard any issues in the many decades that it has been there. Besides, the wall of the toilet stalls are really high and there are no gaps underneath the stalls to dissuade peeping. Just do how my college did with gender neutral bathrooms.
It also assumes that assaults only happen across genders and not within, which is either very narrow-minded or willfully obstinate.
Ya know I've actually sat down and talked with my cisfriends on how they feel about the whole thing, way way back when the bathroom scares started... One thing they brought up that I didn't even think about was "Do these Republicans not know that lesbians exist?"
Do these Republicans not know that lesbians exist?
Of course they do, they were using the exact same talking points against (cis) gay people before that proved to be unviable at the time, and they'll drag the culture war back to that front if they get what they want with regard to suppressing trans people's rights to exist as members of society.
Sadly this rhetoric works with transpeople because it's harder to convince the masses we were "born that way", when our existence seems to require medical intervention.
As long as Republicans can say we're weirdos cutting our cocks off to go along with some "New Age Fad", we won't be taken as seriously as cis-gays, and it's hard to argue otherwise because that unfortunately requires nuance that looks too much like "This isn't what it looks like" to idiots who will not take the time to understand medical science.
It also doesn't help that because we live in an era of fake news and multiple choice narratives, people are more willing to call bullshit when you tell them that transpeople have existed throughout human history.
I'm worried that there is no winning this time as they've successfully created a narrative where to the masses, Trans Rights and Women's Rights, is a "Pick one you can't have both", scenario despite that being as far from the truth as you can get. (Not to mention that Republicans do not value either. Which is the beauty of their little shell-game)
If space efficiency is a priority, I would say just take a normal restroom, add better locks, stall walls that actually go the full height and all of the way to the ground, and have a urinal section around a corner so that it is fully out of view from the (security camera monitored) common area where the sinks are
I had to clean the women's bathroom at a Burger King. This will pretty quickly correct any misconceptions you have about differences between the sexes re: bathroom etiquette, we're all god damn animals.
I cleaned bathrooms at an upscale retail store for five years. The women's room was consistently worse. You could tell they just didn't care because they didn't have to clean it, toilet paper and feminine hygiene products left wherever, piss all over the seats from hovering, and the sinks were just covered in garbage. But when the men's room was worse, it was way worse. Holy shit is that literal shit everywhere? God why are there fingerprints in it, did you do that barehanded? Why the fuck is it inside the toilet paper dispenser?
I can understand how "get rid of gender neutral bathrooms" is though-provoking intellectual discussion to you, but I've already considered that reactionary perspective enough to reject it.
But the broader concept is nonsensical. Filtering out idiots (glad you were joking!) who spam bad ideas isn't creating an echo chamber. You'd spend all day listening to whoever is loudest.
Overhyped. i don't like the comment above. they make it seem like a big thing. i don like these kinds of posts..
when a post has "absolute legend" as the title, that reads to me like a youtube title like "We DESTROYED FOREVER!" or "This EASY trick is a GAME CHANGER". gooooddddd (im in complain mode now sorrii)
People are making sensationalist headlines about your comment disliking sensationalist headlines, pretending there’s beef. If there were, filtering smorty from showing up in your feed would insulate you from the annoying drama.
If you were playing along, my b, but I didn’t want you to feel super excluded
i understand the funi that people write bad youtube headlines, but i don't understand the post filter. is the joke that i have become the annoying headline? or am i creating the drama which zwiebel want to to get rid of? or did someone else modify zwiebels post filter because of us being funi and putting headlines?
i genuinely still don't get it. but if u think it's funi to let me live in ignorance and not explain the joke, then leave it..
nununununu!!! please understand that I'm angry at the reddit post with the annoying youtube title, not the repost here on Lemmy. On thus post, "No" is a pretty good title I think. it's not overselling it, it makes sense within the context of the funi and it's not an overused buzzword.
the REDDIT POST on the other hand! it goes out of it's way to be annoying. it repeats the the same meaning using different words. it pretends like this is a big thing: some employee replying with no to some comment about thir game. It's boring, overblown and who cares. It would have been funier if the reddit person just reposted the post and didnot add a dum and long subtitle to it. WHAT IS THIS? prepare for my next game, named Calm Compass: A side adventure in a parallel dimebsion. (very out of context, yes, srryy)
have I now become the one to overblow and overreact? am I now saying the same thing with many words? YES! ON PURPOSE!
im sori next time I will ramble shorter.
Also
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I went to a board game convention a month ago, it was the first time I've girlmoded for something major. They put their own signs over the bathroom signs explaining that both were gender neutral and the only difference was urinals vs stalls. That made it soooo much easier on me and I was very glad
I'm a dude and i want stalls every time. I HATE pissing in a urinal next to a bunch of other people and get piss splashed on everything. So so so many bacteria.
There are well-designed urinals now that don't splash back. Add to that, If there's a divider, then the urinal is convenient, quicker and imo cleaner because you don't have to touch the stall door or lock to close it and you're not pissing on the seat or sitting down. It's literally no-contact
I love urinals, carefree pissing
And free cake!
That's a breath mint, silly goose.
If I can, and it's clean, I always prefer to sit down to piss. I just want a break, man. Leave me alone for 5.
I think it's so stupid that this is taboo.
I've heard about it being taboo, but I never understood how anyone would even know a guy's doing this.
You can see feet under the stall door AC the recognize the shoes, or you might be walking into the restroom at the moment they exit the stall. That's how you would know.
I think it's dumb too
And how do you know they're not taking a shit?
Real men shit in the urinals.
I want a urinal in a stall
Wish granted. It’s a stall with a urinal but the walls and door are plain clear glass.
In my experience public toilets are so badly maintained that I'd rather avoid touching any porcelain besides that of the sink. That's one of the main reasons I go for urinals. It's also often the most direct way to achieve my objectives if my only goal is to urinate, unless there are other people in which case I hover around waiting for one urinal to become less crowded or just use a stall if it doesn't look disgusting.
Maybe you should do something about that UTI
Indeed, I'm a furry and a few conventions I go to, even in red states, have temporary rebranding of the bathrooms to gender neutral for the duration of the convention as a requirement that the Hotel must maintain in order to keep the convention's business.
And since furries are either suspiciously wealthy or poor, but dedicated, it's a wise economic decision for said Hotel.
Which happens to be exactly what the place in OP does.
I had assumed, hence my loosely related story
That is a sensationally good idea.
I don't think only gender neutral bathrooms is the way to go. There should be an all gender bathroom and a woman's bathroom. Unfortunately we live in a world where women may still feel understandably uncomfortable with men in the bathroom with them.
Note: To be clear I'm not saying the women's bathroom should be for cis women only, it should only exclude men.
Here's a little known fact, gender neutral bathrooms are just bathrooms.
The gender neutral bathroom's already in your house!
They are also in your neighbor's house too! Get the pitchforks!
I can see the video where someone with a microphone asks people on the street:
"More and more households in the US are implementing gender neutral bathrooms, what is your opinion on this?"
My son goes to a gender neutral school, my daughter goes to a gender neutral daycare, I work in a gender neutral office, and shop at gender neutral shops.
It drives me crazy to see a single occupancy bathroom in a public space labeled as gender neutral... Just say bathroom... Or even worse they went out of the way to change it from bathroom to gender neutral... Looking at you taco bell...
Gendered bathrooms should not need to exist because bathrooms should have some dammed privacy.
In the US, there’s a door for boys and one for girls. Behind each is a giant room with some sinks and some toilets that may as well be using cardboard and tinfoil for privacy.
Go somewhere more pleasant like Sweden? You have a short hallway with 3 or 4 doors on each side, and behind each is a small restroom including a sink and a mirror.
Every real and maga-hallucinated bathroom problem largely solved.
I love the idea behind gender neutral bathrooms, but I really wish they weren't just a band-aid on the problem that is disgusting American bathrooms.
I didn't realize how much better it could be until I went to Japan. Floor to ceiling walls, doors with curvature where the door and wall meet completely eliminating door gap, buttons to play music or water sounds...wtf America. Might as well be pissing in a prison in some bathrooms here.
And if you wanna save money on too many sinks and such there is already a solution for that. Many places have the sink and mirror outside the bathroom and shared between both gendered bathrooms.
If you want to save time, money, and water, one of my favorite venues has toilets that have sinks on top of them so the water used to wash hands is collected in the tank as grey water to flush the toilet.
If you want to save even more time, piss in the sink while washing your hands.
Yes, they are pretty neat, at least the ones that pop up on the Internet
If I was near here, I’d go to this place just because of this
It's pretty great. It took over the spot of a gay bar in town which had evolved to be more of a general bar while being explicitly LGBTQ+ friendly. They had to shut down for various reasons. I/O took it over and has largely continued being LGBTQ+ friendly, but now with more pinball tables and old arcade games.
where?
Its in the image, r/madisonwi, Madison Wisconsin.
please excuse am retarden
The fact public places need to explicitely say they are LGBT friendly makes our society feel dystopian. It's as if they had to say they are black people friendly or Jew friendly.
Well, for what it's worth, I don't think they make a big deal of it. In fact, the old bar had a sign to effect of "everyone is welcome here, but this is a queer space, and if you can't handle that, you will be asked to leave". I think that was taken down, but the spirit is still there.
The fact that stalls exist kinda makes me question why, outside of poorly aged "values" we even have gendered restrooms.
I don't know if it's the reason, or just a side effect, but I'm pretty sure it prevents a bunch of sexual assault, or at least makes some people feel safer.
I feel like that's the only justification I've ever really heard, but I find it to be rather flimsy. It assumes that someone willing to assault someone else would be deterred by a sign. It also assumes that assaults only happen across genders and not within, which is either very narrow-minded or willfully obstinate.
Personally, I would think individual unisex bathrooms that each contain their own sink would be the safest option. You enter fully aware and lock the door behind yourself, only leaving once you are fully aware and alert again. Given that the common area between stalls is essentially public, you could have cameras observing the entrance without invading privacy and capturing anyone attempting to force their way in or tailgate someone entering a stall. Better, safer, gender neutral.
My former college has gender neutral bathroom in the gym. I have never heard any issues in the many decades that it has been there. Besides, the wall of the toilet stalls are really high and there are no gaps underneath the stalls to dissuade peeping. Just do how my college did with gender neutral bathrooms.
Ya know I've actually sat down and talked with my cisfriends on how they feel about the whole thing, way way back when the bathroom scares started... One thing they brought up that I didn't even think about was "Do these Republicans not know that lesbians exist?"
Of course they do, they were using the exact same talking points against (cis) gay people before that proved to be unviable at the time, and they'll drag the culture war back to that front if they get what they want with regard to suppressing trans people's rights to exist as members of society.
Sadly this rhetoric works with transpeople because it's harder to convince the masses we were "born that way", when our existence seems to require medical intervention.
As long as Republicans can say we're weirdos cutting our cocks off to go along with some "New Age Fad", we won't be taken as seriously as cis-gays, and it's hard to argue otherwise because that unfortunately requires nuance that looks too much like "This isn't what it looks like" to idiots who will not take the time to understand medical science.
It also doesn't help that because we live in an era of fake news and multiple choice narratives, people are more willing to call bullshit when you tell them that transpeople have existed throughout human history.
I'm worried that there is no winning this time as they've successfully created a narrative where to the masses, Trans Rights and Women's Rights, is a "Pick one you can't have both", scenario despite that being as far from the truth as you can get. (Not to mention that Republicans do not value either. Which is the beauty of their little shell-game)
If space efficiency is a priority, I would say just take a normal restroom, add better locks, stall walls that actually go the full height and all of the way to the ground, and have a urinal section around a corner so that it is fully out of view from the (security camera monitored) common area where the sinks are
This is the justification.
My only comment to that is: the "women's washroom" sign isn't going to stop an attacker.
Right? A No Guns sign isn't going to stop a shooting, but a Women Only sign will stop all rape forever!
Republican "logic"
But imagine how awkward that attacker must feel walking in there
because men's restrooms are covered in piss
I identify as a man and accidentally went into the women's bathroom at the supermarket.
It smelled like blood, tampons on the floor, and there was a woman crying in the stall.
I'll take the piss floors.
AWAITING THE HOUR OF REPRISAL
So are the women's, men aren't special.
From what I've heard from janitors, the women's rooms can be outright disturbing. Like period blood murals on the wall.
"period blood mural" is a great punk or trash metal band name
Haha, I can tell you never cleaned retail bathrooms... *cries*
I had to clean the women's bathroom at a Burger King. This will pretty quickly correct any misconceptions you have about differences between the sexes re: bathroom etiquette, we're all god damn animals.
I cleaned bathrooms at an upscale retail store for five years. The women's room was consistently worse. You could tell they just didn't care because they didn't have to clean it, toilet paper and feminine hygiene products left wherever, piss all over the seats from hovering, and the sinks were just covered in garbage. But when the men's room was worse, it was way worse. Holy shit is that literal shit everywhere? God why are there fingerprints in it, did you do that barehanded? Why the fuck is it inside the toilet paper dispenser?
There's this place i go to where they have 2 single-person bathrooms, but they're still gendered. Maybe this is the reason
A lot of places with single-person bathrooms that are gendered I usually just see whomever use whichever, whenever.
"What kind of bathroom does your home have?"
Well, I guess since there are no urinals, it's for women. Men will just have to find a tree or corner outside.
That's what the bathtub/shower is for!
Is there already a sink pisser community on lemmy?
Sink's too high for comfort, bathtub's the way to go!
You just need more pressure to get a proper arc going
I wish reviews used a "web of trust" so I could discard votes by Anders Holmvik and anyone who agrees with him frequently.
You ever feeling like these echo chambers just aren't echoing enough?
I can understand how "get rid of gender neutral bathrooms" is though-provoking intellectual discussion to you, but I've already considered that reactionary perspective enough to reject it.
I was making a joke about the broader concept. I think all bathrooms should be gender neutral.
But the broader concept is nonsensical. Filtering out idiots (glad you were joking!) who spam bad ideas isn't creating an echo chamber. You'd spend all day listening to whoever is loudest.
Sure do. Insufferable dickheads just won't stop trying to force their way in, no matter how blatantly unwelcome they are.
You call it creating an echo chamber, I call it noise cancellation.
This is in my hometown!! Absolutely one of my favorite spots. And I cheered out loud when I saw this response a couple days ago. I/O is legendary.
They should paint a door on a brick wall and label it "super male". And have a sign saying "dorry you aren't male enough"
Overhyped. i don't like the comment above. they make it seem like a big thing. i don like these kinds of posts..
when a post has "absolute legend" as the title, that reads to me like a youtube title like "We DESTROYED FOREVER!" or "This EASY trick is a GAME CHANGER". gooooddddd (im in complain mode now sorrii)
Smorty HATES this one simple comment
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The Smorty situation is CRAZY
Thanks y'all now I got new terms for my post filter
could u maybe tell me what u mean?... I don understand :(
No
u are not even zwiebel! if I were to say Guten Tag, you wouldn't even understand it! but I'm sure zwiebel would <3
People are making sensationalist headlines about your comment disliking sensationalist headlines, pretending there’s beef. If there were, filtering smorty from showing up in your feed would insulate you from the annoying drama.
If you were playing along, my b, but I didn’t want you to feel super excluded
i understand the funi that people write bad youtube headlines, but i don't understand the post filter. is the joke that i have become the annoying headline? or am i creating the drama which zwiebel want to to get rid of? or did someone else modify zwiebels post filter because of us being funi and putting headlines?
i genuinely still don't get it. but if u think it's funi to let me live in ignorance and not explain the joke, then leave it..
Oh sorry yeah it has nothing to do with you, I'm just filtering clickbait headlines in general <3
nununununu!!!please understand that I'm angry at the reddit post with the annoying youtube title, not the repost here on Lemmy. On thus post, "No" is a pretty good title I think. it's not overselling it, it makes sense within the context of the funi and it's not an overused buzzword.the REDDIT POST on the other hand! it goes out of it's way to be annoying. it repeats the the same meaning using different words. it pretends like this is a big thing: some employee replying with no to some comment about thir game. It's boring, overblown and who cares. It would have been funier if the reddit person just reposted the post and didnot add a dum and long subtitle to it. WHAT IS THIS? prepare for my next game, named
Calm Compass: A side adventure in a parallel dimebsion. (very out of context, yes, srryy)have I now become the one to overblow and overreact? am I now saying the same thing with many words? YES! ON PURPOSE!
im sori next time I will ramble shorter.
Also
Alright, that's gonna be it for this round of
Smorty COMPLAINS about your somewhat well known topics! Tune in next episode, where I discuss, that AI is actually BAD for the internet and that it is RUINING the internet and that AI features are BAD and that OpenAI is now putting its LLMs into MURDER DRONES (not a joke btw) and that GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS ARE USELESS NOW BECAUSE IF AI!!!!<|endoftext|>This is so Smorty
This is actually CRAZY! Smorty drama update
i literally don get that >~<
its the "fnaf will be real in 5 seconds" meme but with the show Murder Drones cuz funny spooky show about murderous AI :3
:o murderous AI? Woah! Is it like - really really scary or less so?
Reason #5 will SHOCK you!
Mfw "rule" isn't in the title:
“Finally.”
What a colossal piece of shit
Nah, this guy? Look at that smile.
The dude from Workaholics?
That's where the name comes from yeah.
I don't think it's actually him. Just someone using his name.
I mean yeah, it's a character on a shows name.
That's Anders Holm. From Workaholics.
Yes, who plays "Anders Holmvik", from Workaholics.
Holmvik is the guy who shot a bunch of kids at a summer camp in Norway... I think. I forget the country.
Edit: Nope. Different person.
No, that's Breivik.
He has a hard an
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