full score on tech sustainability for the company that removed the headphone jack at the same they they releases Bluetooth headphones while their earlier models still can't call properly! Whoohoo
Yeah, yeah, the Fairphone is very fair until you're forced to use their software because they're unable to collaborate with GrapheneOS because they leak keys, all their bootloader security is bullshit and they don't care about making it right.
It's true that there are issues preventing GrapheneOS from running on FairPhones, but you're not forced to use the standard OS: you can install other ROMs on FairPhone like LineageOS, CalyxOS, iodéOS, /e/
Yes. Although I don't know what you mean with "software comparability".
I am still on the stock Android it comes with, which works fine but is still infested with Google stuff. I am not sure about the state of alternative ROMs, but I think it is not bad given how relatively new the hardware is. Personally I plan to switch to PostmarketOS or Mobian once that support matures a bit, but it seems to be almost there now.
I'm also a FP5 user, FP3 before that. Never had any problems whatsoever.
Used /e/ for a while on FP3, that was mostly fine but some annoyances like the camera being less good. So I switched back to stock android. Might try /e/ again soon though.
I haven't had any problems with apps, audio, bluetooth, anything.
I bought one a couple of years ago, still use it. It's not that bad, just don't expect any crazy fluff. It's the compromise one makes for a sustainable future. Cheaper than most flagships.
Yea, because It's not a flagship, it's got a crap proc that even the Tensor 2 beats. The Tensor 2 proc that has been widely regarded as the worst processor.
And 6 GB RAM on the base model? What‽ What year is this‽
You have to really prioritize the Fairphone mission and accept all the compromises you have to make
As if 10 years ago we didn't do just fine with phones like the fairphone 4. It's just ridiculous to me that you mock its processor like it's not even a functional phone.
You won't be more content with your life by always reaching for more. It's a capitalistic and consumer mindset. Bound to fail in due time.
What good is a 124 GB RAM phone when the world is uninhabitable.
I don't understand why people need so much processing power in a phone?
If you really need mobile processing power and can tolerate a larger device, even a cheap, old, shitty, crusty, used laptop would likely offer a better experience.
Eh, if you leave out Fairphone the scoring range is realistic.
And Fairphone is specifically tailored to reach the highest realistically possible ethics standards. No wonder they crush this. The downside is that their phones are quite expensive relative to phones of comparable power.
I find it difficult to believe every chinese phone maker is evading taxes. It's also questionable how they manged to give an employee owned company, Huawei, a 0 for company ethos.
The fact that the actual research is paywalled, and a lot of the scores seem to be about having the correct documents on your website, makes me a little sceptical of this.
Good news, you (probably) can! Find a flagship phone you like from a year to three ago, and go buy a gently used one. Buying things used is almost always better for the environment than buying them new.
A shape that has actual flat, easily gripable edges, as opposed to seemingly everything else that is completely rounded.
(I've got a serious wrist/hand injury to my dominant hand, and that makes this last one pretty important)
Is there anything comparable for all or most of those features, in that price range, capable of being either de googled android, or running an open source and/or privacy oriented os?
I've attempted to look for such a phone, and basically everything is either double or more the cost.
Why are they including the samsung galaxy book, which is a laptop but not samsung phones, in a mobile phone comparison?
Info on categories. looks like they're not even taking into account repairability in climate. I'd guess that's why apple is scored highly.
I was wondering why on earth all these brands got full marks on climate. Absolute bogus table.
full score on tech sustainability for the company that removed the headphone jack at the same they they releases Bluetooth headphones while their earlier models still can't call properly! Whoohoo
Yeah, yeah, the Fairphone is very fair until you're forced to use their software because they're unable to collaborate with GrapheneOS because they leak keys, all their bootloader security is bullshit and they don't care about making it right.
Who leaks keys? Can you provide me some reading material?
I found this on their forums https://forum.fairphone.com/t/bootloader-avb-keys-used-in-roms-for-fairphone-3-4/83448/23?page=2
It's true that there are issues preventing GrapheneOS from running on FairPhones, but you're not forced to use the standard OS: you can install other ROMs on FairPhone like LineageOS, CalyxOS, iodéOS, /e/
They're actively working with Murena to make sure /e/ works well, and you can even buy Fairphones with /e/ out of the box.
Can some investor pour 100 million or something into fairphone so the phones actually become good?
If it's your average investor, they'll want a return, which will make fair phone stop being ethical.
Isn’t fair phone a for profit company? If it is, doesn’t change much.
If it is a non-profit, then that’s even better, lets get some philanthropist on it.
For profit and for infinitely exponentially increasing profit are two different business types.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but the former usually turns into the latter given enough time.
Only if outside investment is involved. You can survive as a business by just doing good business for quite a while.
See: Valve
Other than being a bit thick, the Fairphone 5 is actually a very good phone.
You have one? I've heard bad things about software compatibility.
Yes. Although I don't know what you mean with "software comparability".
I am still on the stock Android it comes with, which works fine but is still infested with Google stuff. I am not sure about the state of alternative ROMs, but I think it is not bad given how relatively new the hardware is. Personally I plan to switch to PostmarketOS or Mobian once that support matures a bit, but it seems to be almost there now.
Sorry meant compatibility, thanks for the response. Bluetooth and audio has been working okay?
Yeah, no problems with Bluetooth and audio here. Wifi reception is probably the best I ever had on a smart-phone.
I'm also a FP5 user, FP3 before that. Never had any problems whatsoever.
Used /e/ for a while on FP3, that was mostly fine but some annoyances like the camera being less good. So I switched back to stock android. Might try /e/ again soon though.
I haven't had any problems with apps, audio, bluetooth, anything.
It takes a lot of work and time to build smartphones.
The Pixel and the iPhone weren’t built overnight.
I bought one a couple of years ago, still use it. It's not that bad, just don't expect any crazy fluff. It's the compromise one makes for a sustainable future. Cheaper than most flagships.
Yea, because It's not a flagship, it's got a crap proc that even the Tensor 2 beats. The Tensor 2 proc that has been widely regarded as the worst processor.
And 6 GB RAM on the base model? What‽ What year is this‽
You have to really prioritize the Fairphone mission and accept all the compromises you have to make
As if 10 years ago we didn't do just fine with phones like the fairphone 4. It's just ridiculous to me that you mock its processor like it's not even a functional phone.
You won't be more content with your life by always reaching for more. It's a capitalistic and consumer mindset. Bound to fail in due time.
What good is a 124 GB RAM phone when the world is uninhabitable.
To play games on in your artificial environment / while you go through traffic in a new more air filtery car.
I don't understand why people need so much processing power in a phone?
If you really need mobile processing power and can tolerate a larger device, even a cheap, old, shitty, crusty, used laptop would likely offer a better experience.
I get that, but as someone on a currently near 8 year old phone, I’ve been told by friends the fairphone will barely last half that long :/.
How so? All parts are replacable with just a screwdriver. I do have to disclose I am replying to you on a FP5.
My friend told me in 3 years he had to buy 3 different batteries.
That doesn't reflect my experience. But tough on your friend.
Glad to hear it isn’t always the case
It's a low end smartphone with mid range price and awful security. What's not to love?
Any chart with this clear of a result is suspect.
Eh, if you leave out Fairphone the scoring range is realistic.
And Fairphone is specifically tailored to reach the highest realistically possible ethics standards. No wonder they crush this. The downside is that their phones are quite expensive relative to phones of comparable power.
Pixel being that low with long term software support seems whack as fuck.
I mean 4/6 of the categories have very little to do with how good a phone is.
I find it difficult to believe every chinese phone maker is evading taxes. It's also questionable how they manged to give an employee owned company, Huawei, a 0 for company ethos.
The fact that the actual research is paywalled, and a lot of the scores seem to be about having the correct documents on your website, makes me a little sceptical of this.
https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/about-us/our-ethical-ratings
Being employee owned doesn't magically make you a good company
Dang, wish I had enough money to afford an ethical phone =(
Good news, you (probably) can! Find a flagship phone you like from a year to three ago, and go buy a gently used one. Buying things used is almost always better for the environment than buying them new.
So far I can't find anything that fits me better than a CMF Nothing Phone.
$240.
Fairly powerful hardware for that price range.
Apparently capable of running e/OS
A shape that has actual flat, easily gripable edges, as opposed to seemingly everything else that is completely rounded.
(I've got a serious wrist/hand injury to my dominant hand, and that makes this last one pretty important)
Is there anything comparable for all or most of those features, in that price range, capable of being either de googled android, or running an open source and/or privacy oriented os?
I've attempted to look for such a phone, and basically everything is either double or more the cost.
I wish I could pay more to make a phone I am buying more ethical.
Who tf is Crosscall
They make ruggedized phones. I don't think they make normal ones.
I've been using a shiftphone for the last ~5 years. I wonder where they would land on the ranking. They should als do fairly well.
Oh they look cool!
Data is always beautiful if you cherry pick the data you want.
This is like judging how beautiful someone is by only looking at their hands.
Why the arbitrary ethiscore classification (25% for average and 60% for good? Do they just want Apple to not be red?
How is Google Pixel that low? They have good software support and support third party roms like GraphineOS better than nearly any other manufacturer.
Fuck. These days you can't have nothing without Wagmi getting all up in your business!
According to this chart... checks notes China bad.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, no matter how warm and fuzzy the marketing team is able to make you feel.