Interestingly, the DOJ version also causes mass killings that made minimal firearm involvement to be on the list.
It's why the 7th deadliest "school shooting" was in the mid-18th century, and only one person was actually shot, with the rest killed by melee weapons.
It's important in the sense that if it's "just gang shit" then people think it's less random, and so they have some agency to avoid it, which makes it less scary. They're also not in social groups even close to gangs, so it's not something that would ever happen to them.
That may be true based on stats which can always be manipulated. But it sure doesn't feel safer. There was a time when you had no fear riding the subway. Now you are taking your life in your hands just standing on the platform
Just because it's common doesn't mean it would be categorised or described differently. A mass shooting is a mass shooting, no matter how often it happens.
But anything outside the US doesn't count, maybe even doesn't exist, according to a majority of US citizens.
It's truly disturbing how common it is for 'Muricans to just forget and/or not care about anything outside the US. And even for things within the US, they forget timezones are a thing even though their own country has several.
I'm just happy they're finally acknowledging that domestic terrorism is a thing, even if its just to avoid looking hypocritical because of Luigi Mangione
There’s a scene in Justified and similar in some other shows in the years after 9/11. Marshalls are looking for help on some homegrown organized crime types and the FBI tell them “sorry boys if it ain’t about turbans or bombs in the sand we don’t have the money or time.”
We just sorta never stopped that after 20 years occupying and bombing the wrong country and now we have a goddamn nazi infestation again
The footprints of our shoes were already there
You stole even the cat's food
And you're still licking the plate
Super pissed off with this ungrateful bunch
Today I hit the drums hard
Until they accuse me of mistreatment
If you don't understand the fact
Well, I throw it at you as cumbia, bossa nova, tango or vallеnato
As calabó or bamboo, highly defiant
With hot blood as Timbuktu
We're insidе the menu
2Pac is called 2Pac, because of Túpac Amaru of Peru
America isn't only the USA, pal
This is from Tierra del Fuego to Canada
You have to be so stupid, such an airhead
It's like saying that Africa is only Morocco
These scoundrels forgot that the calendar they use
Was invented by the Mayans
With the pre-Columbian Valdivia for a long time, uh
This continent walks
But even with all the marines
They can't get the peasant plague out off the showcase
This goes for the boss of the company
The machete isn't just for cutting cane
It's also for cutting heads
Here we are, we always are
We haven't left, we won't leave
Here we are, so that you remember
If you want it, my machete bites
The paramilitaries, the guerrillas
The children of the conflict, the gangs
The blacklists, the false positives
The murdered journalists, the disappeared
The narco-governments, everything they stole
Those who manifest and those who were forgotten
The persecutions, the coups
The bankrupt country, the exiles
The devalued peso
The drug trafficking, the cartels
The invasions, the immigrants without papers
Five presidents in eleven days
Close range shooting at the hands of the police
More than a hundred years of torture
The Nova Trova singing in the midst of a dictatorship
We are the blood that blows
The atmospheric pressure
Gambino, my brother, this really is America```
This attack in New Orleans feels really bad for me as a French person because it reminds me of that attack we had in 2016 where a truck killed 86 people on our national day.
I have to think a bullet brick would be much more painful than a bullet point. I'm also curious if it would be more of a cannon than a gun, and thus safer to have in the hands of 'the people' because it wouldn't really be a thing you could carry around on a whim. Would people put it in those little red wagons and walk it like a dog in a movie montage?
Wow. Stuff happens in places and when you consider all places, a lot of stuff will happen. Let's look at all bad stuff from everywhere, even if we dont live there, and then overreact to them and act as if stuff didn't previously happen and as if this is somehow shocking, new, or personally affecting thosenof us who don't live remotely close to these events.
See what has happened is that the right didn't have any faith in the government, and now the left doesn't either.
So, violent extremism is now the standard. Might Makes Right is the new system for these idiots. The Chinese propaganda is winning, we're killing our own.
The reason we don't have any faith in government is because big corpo bought it because Reagan sold it and convinced both parties to keep it sold ever since.
Since the beginning of civilization, to know who's to blame, you need only look at the richest fucks profiting most from it. The well bribed, revolving door middle managers in DC ain't it.
Tolerance of greed, private shareholders demanding a firesale to goose the next quarter, growth/metastasis at all costs instead of equilibrium, the capital markets are what have destroyed us.
Yeah, the ACA, a heritage foundation conceived health care bandaid that further enshrined for profit health insurance vultures into American Healthcare was the best thing the DNC could do last time they had a supermajority.
The DNC and the RNC take the same orders from the same bribers, defend their grift economy from us. Both parties work against the people.
"All this horrible shit happening has no pattern or coordination. We can ignore it" is a pretty bad take. Regardless of why these things happen they're still tragic
None of which happened in most people's local areas. Stop reading national news on a regular basis. Focus on your small little life, your family, your neighborhood, your little area.
Of course when you cast a wide net nationally or globally, there will always be negative things happening, and then if you mainly focus on those events, you'll act as if negative things are the only things.
I mean, I get it, but this is the same logic that is sometimes used for school shootings. It's abhorrent to ignore a large increase compared to other places just because it is still a small chance, and therefore do nothing.
I like making these less likely, but I know my government's just gonna pump more money into cops and surveillance rather than do anything effective like making people less disenfranchised and desperate.
I learn most major news nowadays BECAUSE it's a meme in an unrelated forum. There's no point worrying about mega and sometimes global news events that you could literally do nothing about and often might not even affect you.
Just enjoy your life best you can and minimize that stress.
Wait what's happened in New York?
10 shot outside of a club in queens, ages 16-20
https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/us-news/at-least-10-wounded-in-mass-shooting-outside-queens-nightclub-sources/
This sounds more like gang shit
A group of four men fired at least 30 gunshots into a crowd that gathered near the Amazura nightclub
It doesnt matter the reason, its still a mass shooting.
I guess, the term mass shooting just makes me think of one dude going off the rails.
The fact that we need subgenres for this shit is disgusting either way.
I still think your distinction is important. They are both tragedies of course, but it's important to know and understand the cause.
The majority accepted is 4 or more injured or killed, not including the shooter (gun violence archive).
The DOJ version is 4 or more killed, which is just the mass murder definition with a shooter, leaving out a lot of incidents.
In either case though, the motive is irrelevant because its not going to be known at the time.
Interestingly, the DOJ version also causes mass killings that made minimal firearm involvement to be on the list.
It's why the 7th deadliest "school shooting" was in the mid-18th century, and only one person was actually shot, with the rest killed by melee weapons.
I would just refer to people who "go postal" as rampage killers. Spree killer and mass shooter already have their own definitions after all.
It's important in the sense that if it's "just gang shit" then people think it's less random, and so they have some agency to avoid it, which makes it less scary. They're also not in social groups even close to gangs, so it's not something that would ever happen to them.
It doesnt make a difference for the definition of a mass shooting (really any of them, there are multiple definitions).
'Merica!
We've normalized mass shootings.
NYC has the lowest crime rate of any US major city by a lot.
That may be true based on stats which can always be manipulated. But it sure doesn't feel safer. There was a time when you had no fear riding the subway. Now you are taking your life in your hands just standing on the platform
NYC used to be much more dangerous. Really goes to show how mislead we can be by emotions that you feel it's only dangeeous now
You are not old enough to remember how peaceful and clean the city was during the 16 years of Guiliani and Bloomberg
Oh, yes. The "stop and frisk" era.
downvotes verify that many are too young to remember
Was that before or after Bernie Goetz decided to murder people and then he got away with it? Because I'm not sure everyone felt safer after that.
Just because it's common doesn't mean it would be categorised or described differently. A mass shooting is a mass shooting, no matter how often it happens.
First mass shooting in the US.
Unfortunately Montenegro beat us to the punch this year with a mass shooting killing 10 earlier yesterday.
What the fuck, Montenegro, get your own thing. Something related to chain smoking probably.
Proposition to call lung cancer, Montenegrin cancer
But anything outside the US doesn't count, maybe even doesn't exist, according to a majority of US citizens.
It's truly disturbing how common it is for 'Muricans to just forget and/or not care about anything outside the US. And even for things within the US, they forget timezones are a thing even though their own country has several.
You know when you ignore things in life too long and they just start becoming chaos?
America!
Are the Americans ok?
Naw man, we’re pretty fucking far from ok
Well, time to grab some blowtorches and get medieval on someone
someone in this world bought a balloon and went driving to find a dead animal for that image._.
Someone has to be driving to make roadkill. It just makes sense to drive up your own roadkill, if you're looking for some.
And left their car parked in the photo.
ಠ╭╮ಠ
Nope
Bro we're straight up not having a good time.
::: spoiler NSFW
:::
Hahahahah. No.
No
New Years RESOLUTIONS, RESOLUTIONS, not revolutions....
On the second thought, continue.
Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. - Pratchett
I tell ya, what we need is the luggage...
I'll put all my trust in the luggage.
1-2-3-4-5
I'm just happy they're finally acknowledging that domestic terrorism is a thing, even if its just to avoid looking hypocritical because of Luigi Mangione
Finally? Didn't Homeland Security or the FBI come out in the mid 2000s to warn that the most serious terror threat would be the domestic one?
And that they would be mostly right-wing folks, which has generally been true, in part because the bush administration deprioritized going after them.
There’s a scene in Justified and similar in some other shows in the years after 9/11. Marshalls are looking for help on some homegrown organized crime types and the FBI tell them “sorry boys if it ain’t about turbans or bombs in the sand we don’t have the money or time.”
We just sorta never stopped that after 20 years occupying and bombing the wrong country and now we have a goddamn nazi infestation again
yeah, because Timothy McVeigh.
I think this is the year where I force myself to stop paying attention to current events and completely disconnect
Do it, it’s amazing
Humans aren't evolved for information overload like this. It rots our brain
This is America https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY?si=KEwPZoaQuM2uutYZ
This is not America https://youtu.be/GK87AKIPyZY
Got an English translation? No captions on that one.
series name is Community btw. great series i watched when it was just out
2025 any%
Don't catch you slippin' now
Third world country things
So.. Just another day in America?
12am Happy new year! 1am Friend an hour back: Now it's new years Me: well, I've been in 2025 an hour and it seems uneventful, probably a good sign
I'm sorry for jinxing it, everyone
What's wrong with cybertruck on fire? I thought it was nice and symbolic.
I mean that's obviously why he did it, but it was still a car bomb, not a malfunction.
wait that actually happened?? I thought it was just a symbolic painting...
dang that sucks. RIP 🥲
He got shot in the head too
Wait. I thought it just got caught fire because it's a Tesla. What else happened?
he shot himself in the head immediately prior to the explosion, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_International_Hotel_Las_Vegas_Tesla_Cybertruck_explosion
Wow. Did he own it? Or rent it? Seems to be a lot to unpack here.
I'd reccomend having a read of the Wikipedia article. It has the answers you're looking for. 😁
Maybe because it injured 7 people?
Oh boy! 2 days in and 3 things happened already!
There is actually more stuff than mentioned here.
A vehicle rammed a crowd, killing ten and injuring thirty.
A state judge shot himself in the face at the office on Monday.
FBI found a record number of homemade pipe bombs in Virginia.
This attack in New Orleans feels really bad for me as a French person because it reminds me of that attack we had in 2016 where a truck killed 86 people on our national day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
I can't help to think your terrorist attack was somehow inspired from that 2016 terrible terrorist attack.
I think this specific one was inspired by the one in Germany in December. But that one was probably inspired by Nice.
Why, that's not nice at all! That's terrible!
::: spoiler spoiler (Yes, I know it's the city name.) :::
That one was also 2024.
You call those bullet points? Ha! Bullet bricks, more like.
EDIT: i guess they are identical on mobile, TIL
I have to think a bullet brick would be much more painful than a bullet point. I'm also curious if it would be more of a cannon than a gun, and thus safer to have in the hands of 'the people' because it wouldn't really be a thing you could carry around on a whim. Would people put it in those little red wagons and walk it like a dog in a movie montage?
Alright, but the antipersonnel Bricks can't be solid material due to the Geneva Convention, so we're going to need Full Metal Brick Jackets.
I dunno. It could still be pretty dangerous
Wow. Stuff happens in places and when you consider all places, a lot of stuff will happen. Let's look at all bad stuff from everywhere, even if we dont live there, and then overreact to them and act as if stuff didn't previously happen and as if this is somehow shocking, new, or personally affecting thosenof us who don't live remotely close to these events.
Well, they clearly are not important enough because they are not American 🇺🇸 🦅 🔫
Better hide in the subway, I’m sure it’s fine.
"Get off my train!"
Okay I'm here but they're saying if I don't buy a sandwich I have to go. (We don't have public transportation here.)
We're always up to something.
I knew this year was gonna suck
CT didn't blow up, someone lit it on fire
There are more sane comments here than on the "serious" news Lemmy.
Did they prove that yet? Seems like it would be on video and I haven't seen any.
So, we moving Devil's Night up?
See what has happened is that the right didn't have any faith in the government, and now the left doesn't either.
So, violent extremism is now the standard. Might Makes Right is the new system for these idiots. The Chinese propaganda is winning, we're killing our own.
The reason we don't have any faith in government is because big corpo bought it because Reagan sold it and convinced both parties to keep it sold ever since.
Since the beginning of civilization, to know who's to blame, you need only look at the richest fucks profiting most from it. The well bribed, revolving door middle managers in DC ain't it.
Tolerance of greed, private shareholders demanding a firesale to goose the next quarter, growth/metastasis at all costs instead of equilibrium, the capital markets are what have destroyed us.
Just elect 60 DNC senators and things will get fixed up so fast. Historians would call it a miracle.
Every stance you extremists claim to care about is on the DNC platform.
Yeah, the ACA, a heritage foundation conceived health care bandaid that further enshrined for profit health insurance vultures into American Healthcare was the best thing the DNC could do last time they had a supermajority.
The DNC and the RNC take the same orders from the same bribers, defend their grift economy from us. Both parties work against the people.
The current form of the ACA exists because ALL 58 DNC voted for single payer but NONE of the 38 GOP and not even 2 Independents voted yes.
Always an excuse, by design.
"All this horrible shit happening has no pattern or coordination. We can ignore it" is a pretty bad take. Regardless of why these things happen they're still tragic
no I think he was just being racist
He's still right. You were just hoping it was all republican straight white males.
Nope, every demographic does crimes Nobody claimed otherwise lmao
None of which happened in most people's local areas. Stop reading national news on a regular basis. Focus on your small little life, your family, your neighborhood, your little area.
Of course when you cast a wide net nationally or globally, there will always be negative things happening, and then if you mainly focus on those events, you'll act as if negative things are the only things.
He's not wrong: if the topic isn't within your circle of control, then worrying over it is just mentally masturbating to disaster porn.
The key is that the advice to ignore such things isn't about advocating for blissful ignorance like you think it is. It's that shrinking your circle of concern frees up your focus to grow your circle of control.
Thank you for contributing better than I could. You said it very well.
Therefore I must pay attention to everything? People were not designed to be globally concerned constantly.
Stop getting scared by terrorism, a few dozen people is nothing compared to even mundane things like traffic deaths.
I mean, I get it, but this is the same logic that is sometimes used for school shootings. It's abhorrent to ignore a large increase compared to other places just because it is still a small chance, and therefore do nothing.
I like making these less likely, but I know my government's just gonna pump more money into cops and surveillance rather than do anything effective like making people less disenfranchised and desperate.
By this logic, every war is safer today than in all of human history, so who fucking cares.
/s
I learn most major news nowadays BECAUSE it's a meme in an unrelated forum. There's no point worrying about mega and sometimes global news events that you could literally do nothing about and often might not even affect you.
Just enjoy your life best you can and minimize that stress.
Good for you.