Health Insurance Leaders Pressured DOJ To Charge Luigi Mangione
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"Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
Because of COURSE they did! 🤦🤬
Carlin is so relevant rn
He never hasn't been.
Always was but yeah, seems moreso now than ever before. Because it's gotten worse AND because we've gotten more aware of it.
The awareness is lovely to see.
Interestingly enough I don’t think we’d have arrived here without COVID. It broke the routine, slowed the inertia, pushed self reflection.
And it made the house of cards that is the healthcare system visible to all.
I agree completely.
It also disproved the "once the crisis is big enough, everyone will hold hands and work together for the common good" myth that pro-establishment people used to trot out to mollify critics of the status quo.
The people radicalized by a combination of the inequities of the status quo and the gaslighting of opportunistic far right politicians (who are of course themselves very much part of the establishment) didn't suddenly set their collective delusions of self-sufficiency and their scapegoating of vulnerable people aside to help themselves and other people get through the pandemic as safely as possible. They only got WORSE.
A quick glance at history also shows which methods are the most effective. Which is why we have had decades of conditioning to push us in the other direction, for strategies that are loud and easily ignored.
This also helps explain the Texas Lt. Governor's (?) plea to, "Let all the old people die. We need to get the economy moving again." Health Care Insurance Inc. doesn't want to pay money to treat people if we can convince everyone its cheaper to let them die.
The club you are in it's bigger though, they don't want you to find out about it.
There's more of us than there are of them.
To put it another way:
There's more Luigi's than there are healthcare CEOs.
Yes that's what I said
Something something el pueblo unido ✊
People keep conflating health care providers with the insurance companies which are in the health care denial business. These are not at all the same.
Health "insurance" company, not provider.
While not an insurance company, Sanofi-Aventis (now Sanofi) was provably corrupt and predatory on multiple occasions in multiple countries and was/is VERY much part of the same problem as United Health and the rest of the health insurance leech industry.
Syneos have been sued for firing people who take family leave that they're legally entitled to and Amgen pleaded guilty to guilty to improper marketing that put patients at risk
In conclusion: while you're technically right that only one of them worked for INSURANCE companies, they all worked for health sector companies that were and are part of the problem, so it's a distinction without importance in this case.
I'm not saying there isn't a problem here. But we need to be a bit more precise in the language.
You mean to tell me that going from the street to trial in less than a month, from what would normally be a single murder charge isn't the normal way of things??
He's only made his plea. Yes, that part happens quickly.
EDIT: Look at the upvotes on the parent comment. Y'all are really dumb enough to think this man is going to trial right now.
It's misinformation, it's ignorance, it may even be a lie. Downvote this crap.
thank you for having some sanity….
i’m pro luigi, anti health industrialization… but yes obviously the doj will charge you for shooting someone.
the terrorism charge is probably where the pressure went
No, it's not obvious. The DOJ rarely charges anybody with murder. It's almost always charged under state law, in state courts. Sebastian Zapeta-Calil hasn't been charged with a federal crime, and probably won't be.
the interstate aspect of it makes it kinda federal…
Zapeta-Calil came from out of the country, so the same applies to him.
that’s not how it works….
luigi, allegedly, traveled across state lines for the sole purpose of the killing, and immediately left the state.
Zapeta-Calil was living in ny and committed a murder while he was there. He didn’t travel there just to burn someone… he was there already and did it….
but god damn that’s a horrible way to die. the worst i can imagine except for some deliberately slow torture….
That's not unheard of in other cases, and the DOJ doesn't charge the killer with federal murder charges. Rittenhouse, for example. The story here is that the DOJ did something unusual under pressure from corporate interests.
Oh, look, they did a corruption
For the rich, that's an "oopsie 🤭"
For the poor, that's a paddlin'.
Privatization of the government working well
Drain the swamp so the water feature can be filled with leopards.
Merrick Garland showing he was always a Republican.
The state is just the armed wing of capitalism.
When are we going to pressure the DOJ to prosecute health insurance leaders for the deaths (just one example) caused by their actions?
about the same time we hold politicians for the people they murder.
The Department of what, now?
Corporate Justice. The C is silent.
Oh right, the Dept of Orporate Justie! Lmao
Bought and sold
No. Shit.
That's fine, I'm pressuring the neighborhood schizophrenics to directly pressure healthcare CEOs.
Pressure is fun, right health insurance leaders? It can make all sorts of fun things happen. Brian
knowsknew this, if only for a few seconds.I agree with you about CEO's but please stop using schizophrenic people as a joke or prop.
Right? They probably mean Dissociative Identity Disorder too.
Idk usually that's the case, but when I think "mentally ill in a way that's susceptible to being pressured to kill rich people" I'm more inclined to think paranoid schizophrenics than did folks. Still shouldn't use them as a joke like that.
This reminds me of a neat history lesson:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-the-tragedy-at-buffalo
History doesnt repeat, but it certainly rhymes.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
It wasnt Czolgosz or Mangione that sat at the reigns of a murder machine sanctioned by baron-owned-state monopoly of violence.
Goldman, for her part, had such a big heart for those driven to desperate acts.
Berkman wasnt shit. Emma was a real one
Kill them, too.
I've heard people suggest that school shooters stop butchering our kids, and instead throw their lives away doing something useful that will have them remembered as heroes.
Ju$tice
Who are these leaders? Names? Addresses?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!
positively flabbergasted, dare I say
There was a school shooting on the same day Thompson was killed. Without looking it up, can anyone name a single victim?
I'm not saying I support murder, but I don't understand why I should care more about his life than those who are objectively more innocent.
We don’t care about his life either. It’s what he represents and how life goes on without him (possibly improved for people saved after execs have to fear for the policies they adapt).
Biden could pardon him
Nah he's not a white collar criminal who destroyed the lives of millions.
Biden might be willing to posthumously pardon Brian Thompson for his insider trading crimes though.
And my cats could be appointed alternating empresses of Romania.
Can he? Honest question. Can he pardon someone who hasnt actually been convicted of anything?
I don't see why not. Ford pardoned Nixon for things Nixon wasn't convicted of.
Yes, but accepting the pardon is an admission of guilt, which may have other consequences.
Logically and in the eyes of public opinion? Most likely. Legally, though? Nope
You're right about there being consequences, though: you can't invoke your 5th amendment right against self-incrimination for a crime that you've been pardoned for.
So technically being pardoned for the federal terrorism charge COULD make it more difficult for him to defend against the other charges, but I'm pretty sure that not even a NYC prosecutor can argue that the murder charge is independent of it..
Moot point, though, since Joe Biden is as likely to pardon Luigi as he is to drop trou and smoke a joint with his ass during a WH press briefing.
I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
.... Well, not that shocked.
I mean, really, who didn't see this one? It was pretty blatant. The fact that we have confirmed reports of it is nice, but c'mon.
it seems dangerous that they would explicitly name Lisa Monaco, Benjamin Mizer, and Elizabeth Prolegar as the corrupted DOJ people who support the health insurance cartel over the citizenry.
Of course they did, wouldn't expect anything else.
I'm pretty sure they were going to charge him with it without them.