It’s not against the TOS. You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here. But advocating for them to defend themselves is apparently over the line.
Notice how hard they’re going after the shooter? The NYPD is actually making an effort for once and the FBI is involved even though there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this is a federal matter (has the shooter crossed state lines? Has the victim’s civil rights been violated?). We’ve always known that law enforcement is for them and not us but it’s pretty blatant.
I’d say “you get what you pay for“ but the C suite doesn’t pay taxes.
I’ve noticed most communities have been overtaken by, at best, centrist mods. Most of whom have power issues, and ban for personal reasons. Looking at you JonsJava, jeffw.
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’ irrational hatred of obsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).
Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it's my preferred instance just so I don't need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives
Hadn't heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it's "leftists" rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the "parlor pink"
I don't like how they've taken a turn toward liberalizing and "opening up" their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there's some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
Lol, authoritarians aren't left wing (and if you think tankies aren't manipulated by just as large a government operation, you're being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn't make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don't take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don't see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
I think it’s a lot of the same problem with every social media platform. There’s simply a lot of government agents and private partners that get into positions to moderate and control online speech platforms. It’s how they maintain their power. By controlling what we are allowed to talk about, which never includes speech that’s a threat to their position and power.
Look at how many executives at Facebook are former IDF or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a blogpost up that their highest traffic source came from a government astroturfing farm at Eglin Air Force base. This isn’t a conspiracy. They’re very open about what they’re doing. They have so much control at this point, they no longer feel the need to operate covertly. They spend a great deal of time and money making sure they own the people who moderate the biggest communities, or the admins who can overrule them.
I've been on the Internet for decades and got my first bans after October 2023 trying to fight back against the insane islamaphobia and western chauvinism of the entire world (shitting in China, any Islamic nation, Russia etc when the west is morally as bad if not worse)
I'm not even a Muslim, I just have the benefit of seeing the humans behind the religion (for all people of all religions tho not all sects are religions are equal)
They’re cracking down hard now. Got permabanned a month ago from Reddit, because I said I didn’t care if Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot after she’s called for millions to be bombed. Again, not banned for encouraging or glorifying- just for saying I didn’t care.
It’s not just threats of violence they’re going after now. They’re banning people for not supporting the right kinds of violence, or for supporting equal application of the law.
And the apologist bots are escalating all over social media, too. They’re scared. They should be.
You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here.
Where? Seriously, where is this happening? I'm all over lemmy and any time I see a direct call for someone, anyone, else to die that comment is removed quickly and often the commenter is banned.
Calling for increased police and war budgets is calling for the deaths of thousands. You’re right- they’re not the same. The pro-war and pro-cop are far more violent.
If you think they are the same then you are part of the problem
No, you..
(they aren't the same, a state's monopoly on violence, which they inflict on their own, and other, citizens with impunity, and which you are not only consenting to, but defending, is infinitely worse)
no, you are. the quote you gave is infinitely less harmful than any advocacy for war or cops.
wow, they called for a second murder? of the worst people on earth who contribute nothing to society but always do great harm? including auto-denying sick people to let them die or otherwise suffer?
I can tolerate killing thousands of people, but I draw the line at 2 demons!
Referencing is not advocating. Symbolism isn’t illegal.
A picture of Jesus nailed the the cross is more extreme if you take them both literally.
There are historical ways the people have protected themselves because they where pushed to having no other means to do so. Referencing the clear historical pattern is a modern alternative. Memes did not exist during the last revolution.
I support the idea of giving bunnies to horrible rich people, in order to warm their hearts and get them to change their ways. But it is important to note that even if you successfully bun down one person (that is to say, get someone to stop being evil by giving them a bunny), the system will find someone else to take their place. Ideally, you want to establish a credible promise that you'll provide bunnies whenever they go too far and hurt people with their actions, but that's not really something that can be accomplished on an individual level. That's just too many bunnies for one person to take care of, and if anything happens to you, who will take care of them?
In order to ensure consistent delivery of bunnies, what you really need is an organization and a support network. Of course, not everyone needs to be the one out there handing out bunnies. You might be surprised how hard it is to secure transportation and a safe place to stay when you're travelling with a furry friend, and you might run into trouble if you're trying to leave town after the fact, but your clothes are all covered in fur.
The way I see it, promises are what make the world go 'round. Yeah, you can just pull out a bunny and surprise someone and that's cool and good, but when you only have so many bunnies to hand out, ideally you just want to communicate what behavior will warrant a response so that they can avoid that behavior in the future (in order to avoid ending up getting overwhelmed by joy).
I've got a story idea for a cyberpunk dystopia. Imagine a world almost identical to ours. In that world, some inventive person creates a darknet website that allows anonymous donations to put bounties on corporate executives. Now, this site's creator wants to make sure their site isn't misused, so they implement guardrails like "Targets would be required to have over $10M in assets" and "each crypto wallet may contribute a maximum of $5 so it better reflects the will of the people."
Then, the site admin adds betting options like "who reaches a $1M bounty first", over/under odds, betting on which target gets whacked first, etc, in order to draw traffic to the site. Maybe there'd also be a percentage of the bounty that's paid out to organizations working to heal the damage caused by the target, so for example if a fossil-fuel exec gets whacked then that percentage goes to orgs working to stop fossil fuels.
How do you think it'd play out in this story? Would the site properly incentivize people to shoot up boardrooms rather than schools?
It'd be fun to watch, it'd be engaging to the crowd, and it'd terrorize capitalists. Especially with real-time updates, imagine a CEO doing a press release and then having their bounty skyrocket as people hear the news.
It's also the reason prediction markets have been so heavily regulated (until recently), because they can easily incentivize assassinations while adding plausible deniability.
“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” - Mark Twain
Do you really read that and not conclude that we've been living in a perpetual Reign of Terror for the past few decades (or at least since the civil rights era)? This was a response during the beginning of the French Revolution, if we're following historical playbooks than the revolution needs to be concluded.
You know, I can see the headline if a Lemmy user used a bun on a billionaire. "Fringe social media platform encourages bunnilence towards innocent billionaires"... Actually has a good ring to it, although it reminds me of how people point to 4chan for the start of Qanon. Ugh
Now that I think of it, would they require instance managers to narc over user data? Admins? If someone on a more extreme instance was to bun a billionaire, would everyone on Lemmy get put on a list or just their instance? Hmmm.
People say China represses free speech, but at least there they recognize the repression and have a rich lexicon of codewords to get around it already.
The shaping of the western mind has been much more subtle and total that few even accept that it's happened.
There's plenty of codewords, slang and at this point even jargon about this sort of thing in use in the US. It's just not widely shared, for obvious reasons.
It's getting there. The whole "pranked with a bun until unalived, in Minecraft" thing is highly reminiscent of the mud-crab-horse or whatever the Chinese one was.
I guess you have to learn to be more subtle with your propaganda when you aren't allowed to just disappear anyone you want at any moment and create concentration camps for religions you don't like.
I got banned from /c/news for "advocating" violence after making a joke about not being able to identify the suspect in the UnitedHealth CEO thread.
Edit: Remember violence is reserved for the government to oppress people. You are supposed to just sit there and take it.
Same. Joked about starting a gofundme for the shooter. I thought better of Lemmy. Ah well.
Just like reddit it's all about who's the mods/admins.
Not all lemmy is the same. The beauty is that you can definitelly find comms which won't ban you for that
News mods are the most thin skinned mods I see on lemmy
I got banned for the same thing as well idgaf. /c/News and /c/worldnews are liberal hell holes anyway
That rabbit's dynamite!
It’s not against the TOS. You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here. But advocating for them to defend themselves is apparently over the line.
Notice how hard they’re going after the shooter? The NYPD is actually making an effort for once and the FBI is involved even though there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this is a federal matter (has the shooter crossed state lines? Has the victim’s civil rights been violated?). We’ve always known that law enforcement is for them and not us but it’s pretty blatant.
I’d say “you get what you pay for“ but the C suite doesn’t pay taxes.
It would be funny if people spammed the tip lines with thousands of fake sightings of the guy.
They're offering a 10k bounty for anyone with good intel. But I'm pretty sure nobody saw anything.
We make sure they get paid and that's what matters.
I’ve noticed most communities have been overtaken by, at best, centrist mods. Most of whom have power issues, and ban for personal reasons. Looking at you JonsJava, jeffw.
Oh yeah them too.
just pointing out that this type of censorship goes hand in hand with attempting to defed/disaggregate .world from the more left wing lemmies.
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’
irrational hatred ofobsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it's my preferred instance just so I don't need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
Edit: oops wrong comment.
My canary in the coal mine was seeing world defederate from the biggest piracy community on lemmy. Noped out right there.
I assume you mean the ML and Hexbears, who are dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives.
So, I can understand how people wouldn’t want to be federated with that sort of parlor pink bullshit.
Hadn't heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it's "leftists" rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the "parlor pink"
Say something bad about the CCP.
I don't like how they've taken a turn toward liberalizing and "opening up" their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there's some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
You're right! Let's defend Russia instead!
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
Lmfao, as if tankies aren't just as blood thirsty as your typical conservative..
Authoritarians be authoritarian-ing (and those who defend them be enabling).. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lol, authoritarians aren't left wing (and if you think tankies aren't manipulated by just as large a government operation, you're being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn't make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don't take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don't see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
I think it’s a lot of the same problem with every social media platform. There’s simply a lot of government agents and private partners that get into positions to moderate and control online speech platforms. It’s how they maintain their power. By controlling what we are allowed to talk about, which never includes speech that’s a threat to their position and power.
Look at how many executives at Facebook are former IDF or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a blogpost up that their highest traffic source came from a government astroturfing farm at Eglin Air Force base. This isn’t a conspiracy. They’re very open about what they’re doing. They have so much control at this point, they no longer feel the need to operate covertly. They spend a great deal of time and money making sure they own the people who moderate the biggest communities, or the admins who can overrule them.
Can i advocate violence against right wing leaders and corporations?
Subscribed.
Only if you make a community called the "Tetsuya Yamagami Effect" and post it there with some tongue in cheek.
Meh. His motives were personal, not political. But honestly, he deserved to have that kill. I hope he finds peace.
Politics should be personal.
Yes, but his was personal, and I mean deeply personal and related to his treatment as a child with the church.
Do you think that all Lemmy is just your instance? What does “on here” mean in this context to you?
On the internet as a whole. We are allowed to celebrate and glorify violence against the poor and minorities. Not rich white people.
I've been on the Internet for decades and got my first bans after October 2023 trying to fight back against the insane islamaphobia and western chauvinism of the entire world (shitting in China, any Islamic nation, Russia etc when the west is morally as bad if not worse) I'm not even a Muslim, I just have the benefit of seeing the humans behind the religion (for all people of all religions tho not all sects are religions are equal)
They’re cracking down hard now. Got permabanned a month ago from Reddit, because I said I didn’t care if Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot after she’s called for millions to be bombed. Again, not banned for encouraging or glorifying- just for saying I didn’t care.
It’s not just threats of violence they’re going after now. They’re banning people for not supporting the right kinds of violence, or for supporting equal application of the law.
And the apologist bots are escalating all over social media, too. They’re scared. They should be.
Where? Seriously, where is this happening? I'm all over lemmy and any time I see a direct call for someone, anyone, else to die that comment is removed quickly and often the commenter is banned.
So give me specific instances, prove your claim.
Really? You haven’t seen any pro-cop or pro-war content on all of lemmy?
Of course I have but that's not what you were referencing in the comment I replied too, nor was it what my reply was about.
Ahh. You don’t think those count as violence.
They are not the same as a comment that I just read that says, and I quote, "Yes we've had first CEO assassination but how about a Second?"
If you think they are the same then you are part of the problem.
Calling for increased police and war budgets is calling for the deaths of thousands. You’re right- they’re not the same. The pro-war and pro-cop are far more violent.
No, you..
(they aren't the same, a state's monopoly on violence, which they inflict on their own, and other, citizens with impunity, and which you are not only consenting to, but defending, is infinitely worse)
no, you are. the quote you gave is infinitely less harmful than any advocacy for war or cops.
wow, they called for a second murder? of the worst people on earth who contribute nothing to society but always do great harm? including auto-denying sick people to let them die or otherwise suffer?
I can tolerate killing thousands of people, but I draw the line at 2 demons!
Please don't show up in our modlog. I know I speak for all of the Admins at lemmy.today when I say that we don't want to get involved in this shit.
That's just a miniature bunny with a regular-sized cigar cutter. Is tobacco paraphernalia against the TOS?
I get it, truly I do...just...keep it in bounds please. The instance you are using is self-funded and run by volunteers, please remember that.
What exactly are those bounds.
Referencing is not advocating. Symbolism isn’t illegal.
A picture of Jesus nailed the the cross is more extreme if you take them both literally.
There are historical ways the people have protected themselves because they where pushed to having no other means to do so. Referencing the clear historical pattern is a modern alternative. Memes did not exist during the last revolution.
This milquetoast meme gets your home instance admins hot under the collar? Lol. You are welcome to make an account here, matey.
I support the idea of giving bunnies to horrible rich people, in order to warm their hearts and get them to change their ways. But it is important to note that even if you successfully bun down one person (that is to say, get someone to stop being evil by giving them a bunny), the system will find someone else to take their place. Ideally, you want to establish a credible promise that you'll provide bunnies whenever they go too far and hurt people with their actions, but that's not really something that can be accomplished on an individual level. That's just too many bunnies for one person to take care of, and if anything happens to you, who will take care of them?
In order to ensure consistent delivery of bunnies, what you really need is an organization and a support network. Of course, not everyone needs to be the one out there handing out bunnies. You might be surprised how hard it is to secure transportation and a safe place to stay when you're travelling with a furry friend, and you might run into trouble if you're trying to leave town after the fact, but your clothes are all covered in fur.
The way I see it, promises are what make the world go 'round. Yeah, you can just pull out a bunny and surprise someone and that's cool and good, but when you only have so many bunnies to hand out, ideally you just want to communicate what behavior will warrant a response so that they can avoid that behavior in the future (in order to avoid ending up getting overwhelmed by joy).
Animaniacs did a whole segment on Bun Control as a way to reduce Bun Violence.
better to have a bun and not need it than need a bun and not have one!
I got banned from reddit for suggesting we give nazis "miniature pineapples".
Miniature pineapples make for good ambassadors, but if you've seen Little Nicky you'd understand the merits of much larger ones.
I've got a story idea for a cyberpunk dystopia. Imagine a world almost identical to ours. In that world, some inventive person creates a darknet website that allows anonymous donations to put bounties on corporate executives. Now, this site's creator wants to make sure their site isn't misused, so they implement guardrails like "Targets would be required to have over $10M in assets" and "each crypto wallet may contribute a maximum of $5 so it better reflects the will of the people."
Then, the site admin adds betting options like "who reaches a $1M bounty first", over/under odds, betting on which target gets whacked first, etc, in order to draw traffic to the site. Maybe there'd also be a percentage of the bounty that's paid out to organizations working to heal the damage caused by the target, so for example if a fossil-fuel exec gets whacked then that percentage goes to orgs working to stop fossil fuels.
How do you think it'd play out in this story? Would the site properly incentivize people to shoot up boardrooms rather than schools?
That's got some real deathnote vibes. I'd watch it
It'd be fun to watch, it'd be engaging to the crowd, and it'd terrorize capitalists. Especially with real-time updates, imagine a CEO doing a press release and then having their bounty skyrocket as people hear the news.
So....black mirror bee episode, without the bees. Hated of the nation? Something like that.
Only way schools start to see improvements is when it's rich kids getting capped, forcing lawmakers to, you know, make laws.
There was a dark web site kinda like this (just a regular assassination market; not sure if it was real or a honey pot): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market
It's also the reason prediction markets have been so heavily regulated (until recently), because they can easily incentivize assassinations while adding plausible deniability.
Shades of Spooks S8E03, but that had a voting system instead of an active bounty.
I think a guillotine is not violent at all, actually kinda merciful. It's sends a message tho, don't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
fucking fools the lot of you
We don't actually want to kill billionaires.
We joke about it because we want them to stop slowly killing us.
“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.” - Mark Twain
Do you really read that and not conclude that we've been living in a perpetual Reign of Terror for the past few decades (or at least since the civil rights era)? This was a response during the beginning of the French Revolution, if we're following historical playbooks than the revolution needs to be concluded.
edit: meant civil rights, not civil war.
That’s really unfair to the bunny.
don't mind the foam around their mouths. they're just happy to see you!
I hope they all have a very nice time.
Hippos are more aggressive.
"keep thinking about the rabbits,
LennyMr. CEO."Sounds like the moderators could use a few bunnies from where I'm sitting.
Release the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog!!!
You know, I can see the headline if a Lemmy user used a bun on a billionaire. "Fringe social media platform encourages bunnilence towards innocent billionaires"... Actually has a good ring to it, although it reminds me of how people point to 4chan for the start of Qanon. Ugh
Now that I think of it, would they require instance managers to narc over user data? Admins? If someone on a more extreme instance was to bun a billionaire, would everyone on Lemmy get put on a list or just their instance? Hmmm.
Can we all clog the tip line?
People say China represses free speech, but at least there they recognize the repression and have a rich lexicon of codewords to get around it already.
The shaping of the western mind has been much more subtle and total that few even accept that it's happened.
There's plenty of codewords, slang and at this point even jargon about this sort of thing in use in the US. It's just not widely shared, for obvious reasons.
It's getting there. The whole "pranked with a bun until unalived, in Minecraft" thing is highly reminiscent of the mud-crab-horse or whatever the Chinese one was.
I guess you have to learn to be more subtle with your propaganda when you aren't allowed to just disappear anyone you want at any moment and create concentration camps for religions you don't like.
Yet
There are lots of opportunities to remove billionaires from existence.
night of the lepus..?
I would like a bunny
I really hope the billionaires are paying attention, now.
Have you ever interacted with one of the Giants?
I've had two Flemish. I've seen them crack wood with thumps. Not even their hardest.
Let's include some suits made out of blueberries.
it must be bunnies
They are already billionaires, they have enough, don't give them anything.