Republicans fume after President Joe Biden pardons his son Hunter
Summary
President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden, prompting strong backlash from Republicans.
GOP lawmakers criticized the move as an abuse of power and an attempt to avoid accountability, with figures like Rep. James Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley calling it hypocritical and corrupt.
Biden defended the pardon, citing “selective prosecution” and claiming Hunter was unfairly targeted due to their family connection.
Hunter faced convictions for federal gun and tax charges.
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You forgot the worst one, which is "fascist wanna-be dictator."
"Wanna-be" is no longer needed.
He is a fascist dictator.
To them : god king emperor
That's what dictators do.
And the worst part, these are all the same person!
Prospect? Trump handed out pardons like candy to far worse people who happened to aligned with his politics. After 8 years of seeing Trump rat-fuck norms and laws and precedent and unjustly go after his family and get away with everything, while everyone else tries to play by the rules, Biden is probably asking himself why he has to let his son risk prison when he knows everyone in the incoming administration wouldn't even give a second thought to pardoning.
I don't support it, but I get it. This is the kind of shit America voted for, right?
Haven't seen this linked yet so I'll leave it here: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-present - (25 pardons, 26 pardons including Hunter) https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021 - (144 pardons)
(Got distracted counting Trumps pardons, may be off by a few)
Yeah the choice for President was between cop and felon. The majority polled against equal application of the rule of law. Biden is just respecting the voters' wishes.
Roger Stone, Steve Banon, Dinesh D'Souza all sorts of other crony based pardons were already done in Trumps last term.
Your Pearl Clutching the inevitable (as of it will now be Bidens fault) is ridiculous, and out of line.
The Democrats can be better sure. But no one cares unfortunately. They re elected someone far worse.
Worse, Republicans were already hypocritically obsessed with Hunter. With them preparing to fascisticaly weaponize the DOJ. He would have been one of the first and worst targeted by them. I don't blame or hold pardoning him against Joe Biden. It won't stop the fascists ultimately. But it will make him less of an easy target.
Democrats spent the last 4 years worrying about optics. And they have nothing to show for it.
And even if "optics" was super important, this is going to have zero optical effect. Some frankly bizarre pearl clutching now, but no elections are coming and only total fucking morons think this is somehow going to ease Trump doing worse things. No one is going to give a single shit in two or four years when Trump is pardoning Jared Kushner for personally helping Mohammed bin Salman torture and murder some dissidents.
I'm fuckin glad he did it.
I want to see more. We put all our hope into this party and they have yet to even throw a punch. Make a mistake so big it forces the political climate to shift, please already.
Nobody cares if the "Dems should and could be better than the GOP"... We literally are demanding our Dem reps fight against this for us, and thus far, they refused. And still do. This is Biden just looking after Biden, which, frankly, is par for the course in US politics.
Lololol no.
Don Jr did cocaine in public at the recent Space X launch and not a peep out of the mainstream media, much less police.
If a policeman saw a black man outside a night club do what Don Jr did, he would have been arrested on the spot and immediately thrown in jail.
Did you forget Trump pardoning several war criminals and others in his cabinet who directly worked with foreign adverse governments?
They will do this regardless of what their opponent does.
The Reich Wingers never needed an excuse for corruption so far. What makes you think they need one now?
The fact you'd compare Hunter's case that was wholly nonviolent, to an attempted violent coup makes me wonder if you're just sealioning here....
The Reich Wingers already did this exact thing, in Trump's last term.
And those "small fries" were illegally buying a firearm and skirting $1,400,000 in federal taxes.
And I thought we were the guys who wanted stronger gun control and the rich to pay their taxes?? Does that go out the window when it's one of "ours"?
I’m not saying I agree with the decision, but as Biden, would you really want your son somewhere Trump could immediately fuck with him as soon as he wanted? Had Kamala won this would absolutely be a dumbass decision. With Trump incoming… I get it.
Who cares about what happens to Hunter "10% for The Big Guy" Biden? Maybe I'm just some poor peon who doesn't understand how the ultra-wealthy are, but "lying during a gun purchase and not paying $1,400,000 in federal taxes" seem like pretty avoidable crimes to me.
This is such an awful thing for Biden to do. The "both sides" folk are going to have a time with this for the next four years and they'll be absolutely right in this case.
“10% for the big guy”
With that one phrase you’ve gone FULL mask off lmao. You are the epitome of “both sides r the same”.
Yep that's a mask off to reveal the trumptard face moment. Trump supporters are garbage and we will remember who is one for quite some time.
Personally I'm boycotting any business with visible Trump support, and I make it a point to tell their staff that I won't be back and the reason why. Last time I had to do this I told them their Trump shit was fucking disgusting and I would never be back.
I'm of the, apparently wildly fascistic, opinion that vice presidents' sons shouldn't sell off their father's influence to foreign nationals.
But Trump placing his son in law, sons, and daughter into White House positions and using their fathers influence to obtain backroom deals with the Chinese government (ivanka) and securing a $3 billion loan from the Saudi royal family (Jared Kushner) is different right? 🤡
The problem with you and other ghouls like you is that your game doesn’t work when talking to people who have paid attention to events in the last 8 years. Not everyone is as willing to suspend facts as you are.
Absolutely right?
Dems did it once, Republicans live in this shit.
See: "whataboutism"
And yet it's still a felony. I thought we were the ones who support strong gun regulation?
No one is entitled to a plea deal. For the severity of Hunter's crimes, I'm fine with it.
Keyphrase: "When he was caught." He was just fine stealing the $1.4m from Americans otherwise.
That's not how it works and you know this is going to literally be Trump's argument on Day One when he starts pardoning his supporters, right?
"the severity of hunters crimes"
I fucking loled
Who is "we"? I want all of the working class to be armed.
"Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempt to do so should be frustrated, by force, if necessary" - Karl Marx
"The rifle on the wall of the workingman's cottage is proof liberty exists. Our job is to ensure it remains." - George Orwell
(I may have butchered the quotes a bit, but the meaning is intact)
Compared to the shit Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc were doing? Yeah, small fry.
"Illegally buying a firearm"... My brother in christ, I literally know 10 people who did the exact same thing, because cannabis is legal in my state, and they lied on the 4473 to pass the background check.
These two posts on my front page right beside each other.
Get fucked Republicans. You have no moral high ground here.
Isnr it just as much "get fucked Dems, you have no moral high ground anymore"?
No. If Harris won and he pardoned him then it would be.
So "Buh buh Biden pardon" wont be the justification for any pardon going forward?
Oh it absolutely will be, but they would have found other justifications to pardon people anyways. This gives them a convenient talking point, but they could have drawn one out of the ether anyways.
You make it sound like Republicans haven't pardoned in the past and only now that Joe has they can justify it. That's 100% BS.
I think you need to read more than the first five words of my comment, because that’s the exact opposite of what I said.
Yes, they are very capable of rationalizing a pardon. I'm saying "Buh Buh Biden Pardon Huuunter" is gonna be the "justification" when insanity happens.
Trump has already pardoned family multiple times... And just nominated one of those ones to be the ambassador to France 🤦♂️
People need to stop giving a shit about republican outrage. They're outraged at everything and dint care for one second about hypocrisy
Go look at who Trump pardoned in his first term. He's gonna do it anyway, saying it's because of Biden is a weak ass excuse. Don't be fooled.
I'm not remotely close to fooled. I'm simply pointing out that this will be the "justification" for pardons going forward.
I think Biden should use his pardon power for good. I don't have a huge problem with this, but I want him to do something unexpected. Biden should pardon all the married immigrants after his program was recently shot down in court. For those that don't know, Many immigrants are married to US citizens, but cannot achieve citizenship that you normally would be able to do. It hinges on entering the country Illegally, which requires them to leave for up to 10 years before re applying for citizenship. Biden could pardon the "crime" of illegal entry, this removing the INS statue of not allowing them citizenship.
Everyone needs to play the same game they do.
Is it hypocritical, yeah probably, does he have any reason to answer for it? Naw
Trump just put Kusher in a role .. a person he pardoned for ... "preparing false tax returns, witness retaliation, and making false statements to the FEC" per his own statement.
Right.
People voted this kind of behavior into office, repeatedly. Anyone clutching pearls right now can fuck off.
I sure as hell wouldn't want my son at the mercy of Trumps DOJ.
Right?
Americans don't get to complain about corruption anymore. We gleefully voted for corruption after it was shown to us in pretty much the most blatant way possible and given to us as a choice going forward.
It's who we are now and we voted for it. Complaints will not be forwarded to management.
If you think that Trump's DOJ is gonna respect pardons from a Democrat...
They'll absolutely respect them as long as Trump Daddy is still selling them.
So two wrongs make a right I guess? Why shouldn't we be holding all these people accountable?
I seriously think he should do a LOT of other shitty things Trump set the precedent for. Like perhaps seriously abuse that presidential pardon thing that Trump invented.
Like, I don't know, I'm just brainstorming here, perhaps order the assassinations of the future president and all of the key people circling around him. And then just go all Jesse Pinkman, "yeah! presidential immunity bitch!".
What do you mean by the presidential pardon thing that Trump invented?
EDIT: Also it really scares me how freely people discuss murder on Lemmy. Not just from a moral standpoint but also for you. I hope people consider the seriousness of these comments and that these comments can be used against you.
Literally, no sane person would care if Trump was killed for his crimes against the people of the US, or crimes against the people of the globe.
War sucks, and people die. He chose to wage war on the working class.
A lot of people would care. At least around 70 million at last count.
And, for this discussion, they don't count. They would be mad at whatever Donald told them to mad about. Even if it's just the two minute hate.
So you're going to kill Donald Trump and tell 70 million people they aren't allowed to be angry?
Good luck.
Never said kill all the MAGATts. I said they don't count in the "outrage" performance.
You said nobody would care if Trump was killed and then said his voters don't matter. That's a bit ridiculous.
I'm just saying that it scares me that we are all being pushed to the extremes; that I'm worried about what that means for us as a society. I'm also just trying to point out that these kinds of comments could be used against you, especially with someone in charge that has talked about going after his enemies.
It doesn't matter if it can be used against an enemy of Trump's.
Even if it was never said, Trump will just make something up.
And if you are worried now.... perhaps ypu should have listened to people sounding the alarms about it in 2007. Now, we are just reaching the end of the empire.
"On July 1, 2024, the Court ruled in a 6–3 decision that presidents have absolute immunity for acts committed as president within their core constitutional purview, at least presumptive immunity for official acts within the outer perimeter of their official responsibility, and no immunity for unofficial acts"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States_(2024)#%3A%7E%3Atext=On+July+1%2C+2024%2C+the%2Cno+immunity+for+unofficial+acts.
You should also note how apparently all criminal cases against Trump were dropped when it became clear that he's the next president, for instance https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/26/how-all-of-trumps-criminal-cases-fell-apart-as-jack-smith-drops-federal-charges/
Thanks for the detailed response! I thought it might be that supreme court decision but I wasn't sure if I missed some other skullduggery.
Fuck 'em. Let them fume. This is the party that wants to let the terrorists from Jan 6 off with a pardon. The party that thinks donvict can do no wrong.
I'll bet the Jan 6 pardons are quietly forgotten. They were a bunch of useful idiots who have already played their role and can be safely disposed of.
Only exception might be anyone who could be potentially squeezed for more information that might lead to more evidence against Trump, but even that's probably a non-issue for him.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't pardon them.
Not only does he have a history of throwing basically everyone in the universe under the bus, but it's his second term. He doesn't have to please anyone now.
The only people allowed to be outraged on this are Democrats. The Republican party lost their right to be angry about this kinda stupid stuff shortly after they elected a rapist.
... and someone who did the exact same thing.
I'd argue he pardoned way worse people.
Biden had all the justification he needed when Trump indicated he'd target his political opponents if he won.
Anyone complaining about this can fuck off.
He should pardon himself for everything before he leaves office so Maga can't drum up some stupid made up thing to tie up his last years.
Or resign so Kamala can in the last day if he can't.
Use trumps political retribution statement as the reason.
I want to see that just so all that 45+47 stuff refers to Kamala
He doesn't need to. Presidents have immunity for "official acts". Womp womp.
I'd say he should and then when the courts rule he can't, Trump's self pardon won't work either but that's a pipe dream.
But bidens crime was being born, and there's no statute of limitations on that one!
Gotta be honest. That's just a really silly thing to say.
In a perfect world I'd say he needs to let the system work and nobody is above the law, yada yada yada. Clearly this world and country are horribly fucked. For YEARS Republicans have been using the term "Biden Family" to make them sound like some kind of crime syndicate, coming up with "ominous facts" that were not indicative of any actual crime, held an impeachment over President Bidens head for years, distributed naked pictures of Hunter, and interfered with what would've been a simple plea deal, all the while trying to downplay the most corrupt presidency in our history.
Fuck the norms. Fuck ethics. Fuck propriety. The new America requires you to use every tool at your disposal just to get your most basic fucking rights. If Republicans think this is such an abuse of power they can do their fucking jobs for once in their lives and pass some fucking ethics reform. I applaud Joe's embrace of the new normal and I hope other Democrats figure out this is the new normal, whether they like it or not, and stop playing pussyfoot with a party that's been playing "kick the groin" for over 30 years.
Republicans are faux angry. They clearly don't really care about the deed at all. If anything they're gleeful because they get to run around and call Biden a nepotistic liar.
Some Democrats are angry because Biden just handed the Republican a stinky turd that they're going to throw in our face every time someone brings up any of their lies or nepotism.
Many Democrats don't seem to care either, as long as Trump is worse.
They already had the stinky turd and were going to throw it anyway. They have many stinky turds. Much throwing!
Words have proven futile. If Dems don't play the same game Republicans play we WILL lose this democracy.
Democracy has already been lost if every party has to play that game
This isn't even "the game". It's not getting Democrats anything, but it's also incredibly irrelevant and no one can credibly clutch pearls about abusing pardon powers when it's basically been a get out of jail free card for big donors for years. It's already broken and corrupt, and Hunter doesn't even rank anywhere close to the previous ghouls that have been pardoned, including by the guy who's succeeding Biden. Never mind Republicans who have been 100x worse, this isn't even remotely as bad as Clinton's pardons.
Cool, so pardon someone besides your own son Joe. You can dress it up in flowery speech if you want but until this supposed willingness to play dirty leads to improvements in someone else's life this is just more of the same bullshit. He's not helping America with this action he's helping himself. That's not noble at all.
He already has one dead son, so I doubt he's in the mood to offer another as a sacrifice to the MAGAs
Agree that this looks and feels bad, but Hunter was overly scrutinized and punished for his crimes. He already paid his due and was the victim of a real witch hunt. If Trump was pardoning Don Jr I'd be pissed (depending on the crimes I suppose, let DonnyJ do some drugs), but that would be different because Hunter was never involved in politics, held public office or government positions, etc.
I don't care what his reasoning is. We elected him to protect democracy from Trump and this is perhaps the most obvious example that he's always been more interested in protecting him and his friends than the rest of us. We all know what's coming in 6 weeks and look at our supposed protector's most significant action since the election, handing out a pardon to his own family just like Trump did. Thanks Joe, I'm sure we'll all sleep better over the next 4 years knowing you dealt with Hunter's problems instead of ours.
"Nothing will fundamentally change."
Democracy has already been lost. Turning into mindless beasts won't bring it back. Neoliberals have voted for the lesser evil so many times that they're cheering for blatant political corruption, why would you expect them to want a return to democracy? They just want a dictatorship with "their guy" in charge.
Conveniently forgetting the fact Trump has literally thousands of pardons lined up for when he gets back in office
How does that saying go? Something like "if they didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all"
I'm surprised Republicans can even remember what a moral high ground looks like let alone pretend to hold it. According to them attempted insurrection, rape, grifting, child sex trafficking, taking away citizens rights on religious grounds, nepotism in high ranking government roles bypassing security screening, soliciting other countries for election interference, abandoning foreign allies, attempting to undermine elections, pardoning murderers, denying election results, etc are all legal and morally okay for people to commit with no restitution for victims or consequences for perpetrators.
I would have felt better if Biden was more honest about this. "Yes, this is a blatant abuse of my power, and shouldn't be allowed, but it is squarely within my Official Duties. The Supreme Court says that the only remedy is impeachment. Hey, Mike, I double-dog dare ya to do it!"
Wow, they can’t even see far enough ahead to when their side is pardoning all the toadies. Shaking my head.
Na… they see exactly that. This is theatrical hand waving so they’ll be able to point to a counter example where the “Dems did the same thing!”
just frothing up their base who itsn't informed enough to know what's really up
Definitely a bad look but in all honesty it’s justified.
The right was definitely unfairly targeting Hunter. They were using him as a scapegoat since they couldn’t get to Joe.
Would this pardon allow Hunter full ability to leave the US and enter into other countries? Because I can totally see Biden doing this as a move to get all of his family out of harms way once Trump takes office and I don't blame them one bit. The Republicans have been very vocal about their vengeance and honestly if this was the reasoning behind the pardon it would be the first time since the election that we've seen the president taking the threat we all face seriously.
Exiting President handing away high profile pardons just before leaving office? I kind of remember when it happened before, and much worse: https://www.vox.com/22238571/trump-pardons-bannon-broidy-corruption
I sorta dont blame them... Its not right, but I dont blame them.
Now, with return of darth cheeto and his ultra loyal crew of apointees, its now a priority to not have any active cases for the saftey of the biden family. 47 may seek vengance for any percieved offense, and the bidens going forward should not expect the DOJ to behave in the interest of justice for a few years.
The GOP can seethe and cope all they want, they laid the groundwork for this use of this sort of behaivior and uncle joe has not used it (at great expense to his sons future prospects, being national news for this long cant be healthy) up until this point.
And, nobody cares if the Reich Wingers fume about this. Literally, nobody.
Let em fume..anger is the only thing Magatards understand
Republicans rage daily about something or another. Even after winning the election they still need something to hate.
Indeed, if they ran out of things to hate they would have to invent new ones. It's the only way they can operate. The hatred is the only constant.
It's a show.
They know that under standard circumstances there would have been no charges, let alone jail time. But, his name is Biden and they needed to prosecute and get their pound of flesh. Now, when Trump pardons violent felons and murders, as he has done before, they can point to Biden. As if tax evasion is a simular crime.
Performative theatre aided by the media.
Die mad about it, Republicans!
I don't care if they're mad when it happens, that's just a nice bonus
Aww fuck those one way princesses.
I'm really warming up to the idea of Biden doing some other "official acts" before he departs.
stay mad
libsrepubs 😎😎😎am i doing this right
everyone was mad
Who cares? Fuck them.
Don’t hate the player; hate the game.
Good thing Joe is not a king right? What if a king assigned a rapist to be the FBI tzar. And what if this tzar could just walk through main street and rape men and women equally in plain daylight? Nobody would bat an eye because hold on, I'm getting rapped right now, but I'll talk about it afterwards?
I'm pretty sure this was part of their plan. It's now legit cover for Trump to pardon whoever they want.
Plus yeah, they want to talk smack. It's not like they have any worthwhile policy ideas.
He already did that during his first term. This has nothing to do with Trump. It also doesn't fucking matter. If people are mad about Hunter Biden owning a gun and doing cocaine, then why aren't they mad about Don Jr doing literally exactly the same thing?
It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. But that's not to say he won't take advantage of it.
They're not mad at Don Jr because they don't want to be. That's all.
I mean there's something to be said for handing them some ammo.
Dominate a news cycle with some bullshit and do something shady under the table.
Jon Stewart outlined it pretty well.
The Dems put this artificial moral framework around themselves that limits how well they can compete with the Right, because it's important
But as soon as they need something for themselves or their family they just break it.
They never break it for the people who need it most.
If an incoming fascist government were promising retribution for their political opponents, and if there were threats, however fringe, of public executions, I would also pardon my child. I'm honestly surprised more high profile people aren't leaving the country. Though I guess that would be a bad move on multiple levels. What did that one article say? Don't bend the knee until there's a memo saying you have to?
Also it's probably easier to have them killed outside the country. The CIA and Mossad operate with impunity.
I really don't think giving the head of state the power to pardon is a very good idea. I used to be totally baffled how it was a thing at all but the rationale has since been explained to me. While I sorta get it, the theoretical benefit is far outweighed by the inevitable grimy reality. Like others, probably mostly because of my own biases, I find it hard to summon a great deal of outrage about this understandable if blatantly hypocritical move after so much prior abuse of the lower had already occurred, but frankly if the option weren't even there then nobody would even need to talk about this. If the justice system of the nation is supposedly well designed and theoretically trustworthy then there isn't the need to have the ability for it to be arbitrarily overrulled in a manner that operates very much like the monarchical tyrants the United States was supposedly foundationally opposed to.
Its a check on the judicial branch, by the executive. Thats why.
Sadly, there's very few checks on the executive branch. And fewer every day, given the SCOTUS.
“Republicans” “Fume”
I don’t lend any credence to headlines like this anymore. I saw way too many headlines about how “young voters hate Trump” and clearly that meant nothing when election day came so I wish these “news” organizations would shut the fuck up with this bullshit. Just because 2 people do something doesn’t make it news.
Fumes a party that endorsed a convicted felon for presidency.
Fumes a party that endorsed a convicted felon for presidency.
I’m not happy about it either. It’s an abuse of power, no matter whose side the guy is on. This just further degrades the office of the president into a self-serving free-for-all.
Leftists are fuming too. I guess these politicians are all just dynasties out for themselves. Thanks for nothing, Bye-den.
Guess we're losing the next election too... oh yeah, there isn't one.
Lololol bullshit.
Go back home Russian troll
Not even Russian. Just wish our representatives represented us, rather than pardoning their drug addict kids.
clap good for him, tho.
Just the Russian "leftists."
The man's complicit in genocide, I'm not worried about him making sure outright fascists can't use the courts against his family.
I just think it's silly that he thinks that will be enough, he needs to get his ass out of this country before the handover I'll tell you that.
Yeah, the teeth-gnashing about this is incredible. This is not even in the top 50 worst pardons in recent history nor in the top 10 worst acts by Joe Biden. Fuck him, he sucks, but this is an irrelevant footnote compared to both his own actions and the actions of other presidents.
Many of the same liberals who have been browbeating me over the past several years with their insistence that they are NOT the same as the Trump Republicans, are excusing this.
You're right, liberals. Once again you prove that you are not the same as the Trumpists. Even with this pardon, you do continue to be better than them. You're better than terrible. You're better than horrible, better than abysmal, ever so slightly better than abhorrent. Congratulations.
I saw an excellent analogy on here. The Republican Party is a dad molesting their kid. The Democrats are the mom turning a blind eye. One of those is objectively better than the other, but the kid should be seperated from both. Cheering for blatant political corruption is disgusting regardless of which side does it.