If developers want to make a desktop application they should use proper cross platform desktop frameworks like QT or GTK or even JavaFX instead of a webpage disguised as an application.
Nah electron is an excellent technology, v8 is a remarkable engine. Maybe something like tauri will unseat it eventually but the ability to spin up a new product in relatively short order is good for everyone. Ram and disk usage are higher than they would be with a native app but velocity is unparalleled
The problem is chromium. It's more efficient and usable to just create a new dedicated firefox profile (which will start in a fully separated instance), and create starter scripts and desktop entries for that.
Imo velocity and user experience aren't mutually exclusive, as a developer I can respond to user requests way faster with web technologies.
As a consumer vscode is a perfect example of why the ecosystem has value, are there other products that fill the same roles? Absolutely, but if you were around for the transition from bloodshed, codeblocks, eclipse and the like to sublime and vscode and other more modern editors you should remember how gamechanging the positive feedback loop of velocity achieved for the dev community in the form of user experience.
A modern text editor with language servers running absolutely will take up 1GB+, I know I can easily get neovim to go past that with typescript projects.
I suspect most of the resource usage is LSP plugins, so equivalently configured neovim should be about the same, really. If you use VSCode as a plain text editor, it does not use that much RAM.
With 0 extensions it absolutely doesn't take 1GB and the more extensions you add it resembles more an IDE than a text editor, so the 1GB is completely justified. In fact, I have tons of extensions and mine takes around 300MB, I have like 5 instances open for work reasons (several remote connections) running on a VDI that gives me like 4 GB of RAM, and I can open excel, teams, and all the other company bullshit, alongside a browser with 20 tabs open. So no, it doesn't take 1GB per instance.
Controversial take but I think It's weird how this community is so "FOSS is great even if it doesn't have the 1 feature you need" then will turn around and say "Your unpaid labor for the good of this community is not acknowledged and because you wanted to make a UI in a language you know I will not only refuse to use it, but will shit on it"
Like I get you don't like electron but there's a lot of work that the developer put into it. I think that work should be appreciated instead of clowning on them! To use the line every terminal lover uses when someone asks for a UI: "It's open source, make it yourself." (note, I'm not saying terminal only programs are bad. It's just annoying to be selectively "do it yourself" when someone else is asking for it and this meme when you're asking for it)
(Unless this is about closed source programs, then yeah that's fair.)
Blink is incredibly performant. Why would you hate on a specific browser engine just because it's made by Google? Nothing stands in your way to switch to Firefox if you want, plus Blink is open source so what's not to like?
I think their point is that, even if blink is a good technology and all, it's just another way for google to assure its monopoly, and that's not a good thing.
Apple forked KHtml into WebKit and developed on it, while not pushing their changes/upgrades back upstream. Then Google came and used WebKit for chrome and eventually began forking it into Blink.
Tell me how Blink or WebKit is Google's invention?
If developers want to make a desktop application they should use proper cross platform desktop frameworks like QT or GTK or even JavaFX instead of a webpage disguised as an application.
heard.
It’s like using a dump truck to eat dinner on because it has a flat surface in the back.
Nah electron is an excellent technology, v8 is a remarkable engine. Maybe something like tauri will unseat it eventually but the ability to spin up a new product in relatively short order is good for everyone. Ram and disk usage are higher than they would be with a native app but velocity is unparalleled
The problem is chromium. It's more efficient and usable to just create a new dedicated firefox profile (which will start in a fully separated instance), and create starter scripts and desktop entries for that.
It’s sad that you prioritize “velocity” over user experience.
Imo velocity and user experience aren't mutually exclusive, as a developer I can respond to user requests way faster with web technologies.
As a consumer vscode is a perfect example of why the ecosystem has value, are there other products that fill the same roles? Absolutely, but if you were around for the transition from bloodshed, codeblocks, eclipse and the like to sublime and vscode and other more modern editors you should remember how gamechanging the positive feedback loop of velocity achieved for the dev community in the form of user experience.
VSCode being essentially a text editor is a perfect example of software that should not use 1GB+ of RAM
A modern text editor with language servers running absolutely will take up 1GB+, I know I can easily get neovim to go past that with typescript projects.
Me, a casual: "wadderthefuckareyouguysarguingabout?"
I suspect most of the resource usage is LSP plugins, so equivalently configured neovim should be about the same, really. If you use VSCode as a plain text editor, it does not use that much RAM.
With 0 extensions it absolutely doesn't take 1GB and the more extensions you add it resembles more an IDE than a text editor, so the 1GB is completely justified. In fact, I have tons of extensions and mine takes around 300MB, I have like 5 instances open for work reasons (several remote connections) running on a VDI that gives me like 4 GB of RAM, and I can open excel, teams, and all the other company bullshit, alongside a browser with 20 tabs open. So no, it doesn't take 1GB per instance.
For most users software is not a religious question.
Controversial take but I think It's weird how this community is so "FOSS is great even if it doesn't have the 1 feature you need" then will turn around and say "Your unpaid labor for the good of this community is not acknowledged and because you wanted to make a UI in a language you know I will not only refuse to use it, but will shit on it"
Like I get you don't like electron but there's a lot of work that the developer put into it. I think that work should be appreciated instead of clowning on them! To use the line every terminal lover uses when someone asks for a UI: "It's open source, make it yourself." (note, I'm not saying terminal only programs are bad. It's just annoying to be selectively "do it yourself" when someone else is asking for it and this meme when you're asking for it)
(Unless this is about closed source programs, then yeah that's fair.)
And also:
Javascript:50%
Yeah fuck Google and fuck Blink
Blink is incredibly performant. Why would you hate on a specific browser engine just because it's made by Google? Nothing stands in your way to switch to Firefox if you want, plus Blink is open source so what's not to like?
It's made by Google.
So is android and many other technologies we rely on everyday.
I think their point is that, even if blink is a good technology and all, it's just another way for google to assure its monopoly, and that's not a good thing.
Their inventions?
Apple forked KHtml into WebKit and developed on it, while not pushing their changes/upgrades back upstream. Then Google came and used WebKit for chrome and eventually began forking it into Blink.
Tell me how Blink or WebKit is Google's invention?
With big corps, it's never that simple.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Do tell how that matters. You can always switch to another engine or fork blink.
And it would still be tainted by Google. Yeah no thanks buddy. I rather use Gnome Web/Epiphany than using Chrome.
Chrome is not the same as chromium/blink. You can use other chromium-based browsers, which are not full of google spyware.