Firefox because it isn't chromium, and I just like it. With chromium, google controls the web. Doesn't matter what kind of wrapper a third party puts on it. It's still chromium and it's still google.
@[email protected] I like Zen browser because it comes with vertical tabs, screenshot feature, and familiar dev tools.
Moreover, unlike Safari, it works well on macOS and Slack notification. When I checked my Slack tab on Safari, I usually found that it didn't load the page yet although I didn't shutdown or restart the computer.
@[email protected]
Just wish Google was not used in vivaldi , so when I don't want their influence I use ddg . if there is a way to keep Google completely out of Vivaldi. I'd like to know how.
Thanks MTT
@[email protected] I would love to use Vivaldi, but unfortunately the Ad-Blocker on Android isn't very good - Firefox using ublock-extension or Brave is doing a much better job there.
@[email protected] I choose Vivaldi as my favorite because I like many things about it. I use my home computer now for recipes, cash spreadsheets, and a shopping list. I had not previously used social media and this is a nice surprise for me to enjoy it. I used Netscape before Metacrawler and then I used shelves of books until trying Firefox. I used Chrome then Edge before I retired, but used Firefox and DuckDuckGo on home computers until I noticed Vivaldi about two years ago and put it on my home computer and laptop and cellphone. I like its many options and features and forums full of answers to questions I might ever need ask! It gives me a calendar and note and task pads and all sorts of things which optionally can sync and be seen when I use the browser on my cellphone or to choose not to sync. The very best is, when I removed Windows Operating System from my old laptop and replaced it with one of the Linux distributions now this Vivaldi continues to give me my familiar user experience. Thank you, to all and everyone who is and who are responsible for allowing me this user experience which followed me between operating systems, thank you.
@[email protected] I’ve been using Vivaldi lately, but I also like Firefox and Librewolf. However the internet today feels like that of 2000, so many websites only work with todays IE (Chrome), so yeah, the options are either Chromium or Gecko; and the latter doesn’t work for all websites.
@[email protected] I’m currently trying Zen, which is FF inside and Arc outside, basically.
Re: why, I think Chrome is the new IE6, and we need more engines to keep the web open
@[email protected] Firefox, because its the only real alternative to chrome and its clones, firefox its still the most customizable browser, vivaldi its the second, but the biggest con of vivaldi feels that its the slower among chrome clones
@[email protected] It IS pretty good, sure. At the very least it doesn't randomly block my own collabora server unlike uBlock Origin.
But ultimately it's just not good enough. So the day I can't run uBlock Origin, my browsing experience will be immediately horrible
This is VERY MUCH a deal breaker. Overnight the browser will become essentially unusable. And I know because I use the mobile version already where I can't install an adblocker and... yeah, it sucks
I'm migrating fron Firefox to LibreWolf (sorry, I prefer non-chrome based browsers), but have a Ungoogled Chromium as a backup those times Firefox/LibreWolf doesn't cut it (I thought the world had learnt a lesson from the IE days; seems we need to educate a new generation web hipsters).
On Android I use the default browser (in @[email protected]) for a few news/blog sites, Mull and Vivaldi for some other sites and DuckDuckGo when searching. Default browser is Mull with Privacy Mode enabled by default.
I honestly don't like that the Chrome based browsers seems to be dominating these days. We need a heterogeneous web render environment to ensure a single dominant player dictates how things will be for users.
And without such competition, I fear there will be a lesser drive to further improve browsers. Just like when Netscape seemed too complacent with their own browsers back in the days.
@[email protected] Firefox, largely because I like supporting an alternative (non-Blink) rendering engine - I think a rendering engine monoculture is very dangerous for the internet as a whole.
@[email protected] After dropping Opera, I now mostly use Waterfox. Vivaldi is also on my desktop and laptop. But so is Brave, Firefox and DuckDuckGO. Edge is also on there, but only because MS won't allow me to remove it :(
I use Vivaldi but I would really like to see more attention to quality. Breaking things randomly in minor releases and then taking half a year to fix them is not okay, guys. A public issue tracker would also help, instead of the scream-into-the-void bug report form. I understand that you've taken everything from the old Opera team, but this part should've been left behind.
As a technology enthusiast, I’d like to share my perspective on this.
Firefox has been my go-to browser for a while, mainly because of:
Multi-Account Containers: Perfect for managing multiple profiles or accounts seamlessly.
RAM Efficiency: It’s lightweight and doesn’t hog system resources.
Privacy Focus: With its 100% open-source nature and stellar reputation as a privacy-first browser, it’s hard to beat.
Vivaldi, on the other hand, has a special place in my heart for its unique and productivity-oriented features:
Page Tiling: A brilliant tool for working with multiple pages side by side—ideal for multitaskers.
Plain Text/Markdown Notes: This feature is a gem for academic researchers and avid readers like me, making it easy to jot down notes directly from web pages.
Web Panels: Super handy for accessing frequently used sites without leaving your main tabs.
Customizable Dashboard: A lovely productivity hub and a virtual assistant.
A Few Observations
While Vivaldi excels in many areas, there are a couple of things I’d like to highlight:
High RAM Usage: Vivaldi can be quite demanding on memory.
Text-to-Speech Feature: Adding a natural and seamless "Read Aloud" feature would make it even more user-friendly.
Vivaldi is close for me on Mobile because it works really well, but I'm using the Fennec version of Firefox from F-droid currently and it's a favorite, with Vivaldi close behind. Close on mobile because it's the second closest thing for me on privacy goals, and Firefox & forks on Android are a bit buggy.
Firefox (preferably forks) on desktop fully because of the UI being open source, no slight against Vivaldi for that, I fully understand the reasoning for not doing so. I just prefer open source so I bias towards as much as possible of it when not overly difficult to do so.
I do not trust Mozilla, more open source nature of the app allows me to take trust of ownership out of the equation a bit, especially so with forks.
Fennec on F-Droid was left unpatched for months. Same with Mull, which was getting updated by its maintainers DivestOS; the updates just weren't getting into F-Droid's repos.
@[email protected] Vivaldi because it's the most like Opera 12.18 and before, at least in spirit.
LibreWolf in second place because it's more privacy focused than FireFox and I got used to FireFox between opera's terrible switch to being chromium-based and Vivaldi being available.
@[email protected] For me on Windows performance is more or less the same for all the above browsers. Edge is decent and do all what the average user needs. I like Vivaldi because is tweakable (I like the idea of the mail client but something on the UI doesn't work for me, maybe I'm only used with Outlook). Firefox because I use it since it was Phoenix and I'm so sorry it is dieing.
@[email protected] Firefox, but I can’t really explain why because it’s a lot of tiny things that make it better, but the fact it isn’t Chromium-based is probably the most significant point. And probably a bit of nostalgia too.
@[email protected] I use Vivaldi on my Mac because it has a Chromium base, so it has a lot of compatibility benefits that provides, while also providing good privacy and a great experience that I can customize to work how I want it. I used to be a large proponent of Firefox, but I don’t like their recent modus operi of shoving god-knows what into the browser.
I also really like Safari. It’s a great mobile browser, and even on the Mac it gives me good battery life, and syncs across all my Apple devices.
@[email protected] I used FF since its first release, its my workhorse, and I use a lot of privacy plugins. I like the Interface, its fast, zoom is good, And my perception is, the plugin interface is more open and there are more powerful plugins as with chome based browsers
also I liked opera in the past and such the vivaldi concept is really nice.
its fast, the redraw when zooming is distracting, zoom could have more finer steps,
@jon I never tested if vivaldi could replace my thunderbird... but is mixing stuff in one programm really a good idea?
perhaps I will try in a VM one day.
and I would like to see if vivaldi would support other mastodon instances...
PS: on Android vivaldi is my favorite but please: fdroid store!
We have found that having things integrated has significant benefits, but of course there is a bit of getting used to. Give it a try!
As a side note, it is easy to run multiple instances of Vivaldi, so you can run Mail, Calendar and Feeds in one instance and most of your Web browsing in another. There is flexibility here.
@[email protected]
On macOS it doesn’t feel native like f.e. Orion does. Also often the scrolling feels weird: content not moving as fast as your finger.
@[email protected] I use safari on Mac as it is the only browser that works with the Apple Passwords app. If Vivaldi worked with it I would use that instead
@[email protected] Firefox because of its tweaks. I admire what Vivaldi has achieved, but Firefox can achieve almost the same with extensions. The only thing missing in Firefox are native tab groups, but they are a work in progress according to their site.
If Firefox vanished tomorrow, I would quite likely use Vivaldi. I was an Opera user in the old days. Vivaldi is the only browser that follows that spirit today.
@[email protected] OK, I tried them. They are nice to have, but for users who manage many tabs at the same time. It is not my case.
One thing I like a lot about Firefox is the about:config page. My main change is content.notify.backoffcount > 0. It stops the browser partial refreshes, and shows a web page only when its parts finished loading. In my experience, it makes the browsing faster and more comfortable for my eyes.
@[email protected] I found out that also Edge is quite nice. Very friendly, the tabs can be moved to the side position, the same panel as in Vivaldi, excellent translator. But there is not so easy to switch between search engines, also not so easy to switch to the main workspace, and there's almost no Speed Dial.
I've been living with Edge (on macOS, imagine) for some months when Vivaldi has several annoying bugs, but later I came back to Vivaldi, and now Edge is my second browser, for some different cases :) Good luck!
Vivaldi has been my daily driver since 1.0, i can't live without tab tiling and vertical tabs in my work. Would love to have the ability to sort my open tabs by domain or an alpha sort.
Please continue to improve the Adblock functions. It doesn't compare to manifest v2 ublock origin yet.
@[email protected]#vivaldibrowser is by far the best. It saves me so much time. I need to have many tabs open in several windows in several virtual desktops in several monitors. Workspaces, tabs stacking and tab search are lifesavers. The quick search has a built-in calculator that I use all the time. It's the most innovative and customizable browser there is. Sync is flawless. I use it in Mac, Windows and Android.
#Edge would be my 2nd choice. I like how fast it loads in my old Windows laptop, probably because it's pre-loaded. I like the way Bing presents the search results and the Copilot integration. I love the read-aloud feature. It recognizes the language automatically and it sounds very natural.
FF is totally open source and often renders fonts better than Chromium-based browsers and the PDF reader is more robust. I'm currently working through an online training module and it's the only PDF program that lets me highlight sections of the provided documentation and will remember changes when I save the document.
Vivaldi has a ton of features and is pretty quick and responsive, especially on Android. Still having odd issues with the mail client and I'm really not sure what to make of or do with the new dashboard though.
@[email protected] Opera from before the switch to chromium remains my favorite to this day, every browser I've used since doesn't feel as feature complete or as fun as Opera did.
@[email protected] I was a long-time Opera aficionado, only dropped it when they switched to WebKit (and then Blink) and the last Presto-based version became obsolete (TLS-wise, mostly). Switched to Firefox, with which I'll stick as long as it maintains Gecko. Would love to jump to Vivaldi, but we need more independent rendering engines for the health of the web.
Firefox because only it supports (via an extension) having different sessions in different tabs, so I can log into 3 different accounts at the same website at the same time and use the same browser window for all of them. I need this and won't move to a different browser.
@[email protected] Vivaldi loyal since its early days for its customisability and ear to the user, even though I find its hosting of user accounts quite glitchy.
@[email protected] Orion! We got a kagi subscription a while back and I enjoyed it so much I decided to try their browser. It blocks youtube ads on all my devices, so it's a keeper
@jon I'm a Vivaldi supporter since V1. Because of open privacy (MV3) and open finger printing support I use more & more FF and Zen in the last months ... ;-( But I love Vivaldi, great team support and the Vivaldi style
@[email protected]
Vivaldi is my daily driver, looking into Librewolf as my not-Chrome.
What I'd really like is the Vivaldi shell, as & tracker blocking, etc, with the Firefox HTML & js engines. No google or moz bullshit, just a nice clean shell and engines.
Sometimes i take Vimb for lighter browsing, but for the most time i stay attached to Firefox for the whole browsing experience and sync my tablet, laptop & smartphone with it.
@[email protected] I have no favourite browser anymore since Opera 12. I don't want to support the Chromium dominance but Firefox still feels clunky. I have some sympathy for the Zen browser project. And then there's Vivaldi, with a lot of stuff I appreciated when I was still using Opera. But … Chromium, you know 🤷.
@[email protected] I already use Vivaldi since a botched Chromium browser update about a year ago. It's just a little bit sad that there's neither a lot of choice nor something like Chromium project but on a Gecko basis.
I wish I could have used Presto, but sadly that is not an option. The Presto code was much better in many ways that both Gecko and Blink. It was all in one. Very little 3rd party code. It compiled in a couple of minutes on a slow computer.
At this time the Chromium codebase is the best available.
Clearly there is a lot more to a browser than just the core and we modify the core as needed as well, so I hope you see we are providing something special here.
@[email protected] After testing all the browsers my favourite is Vivaldi due to their focus on privacy and no crypto crap. I also like to browse their forums which has been helpful to me at times.
@[email protected] It is my default browsing. Completely customizable, I adjust it to my way and it has many options and pluses such as blog, note taking, RSS reader, translator and much more.
@[email protected] I use Vivaldi for several years on both, desktop (Windows) and mobile (Android), and i can tell you all without fear, without no regrets, that it give me all what i need to surf internet on the better and secure way i ever prof with any other browser
@[email protected]
I don't have one anymore. They all seem to either embraced tge AI BS, will be ruined be Google's F-ing manifest v3, ir they're made by yucky folk.
As soon as anyone outs out a browser that just shows websites and allows for best possible privacy without dicking around, I'll use that.
@[email protected] Firefox for now, although for how much longer is unknown. Over the course of time, it's become slower and somewhat bloated from what I can tell.
I've been tweaking and twiddling another browser, when I have time, to see if a smooth transition can eventually take place.
@[email protected] Pale Moon. It's single-process, so if something goes wrong, I can kill the browser simply. It supports the plugins and extensions I need, want, and use on a daily basis. It doesn't support DRM, RTC, or the concepts pushed on us by DoubleClick. I'm very happy with the browser.
@[email protected] Firefox is my favorite when I can use it, but at least on my new Mac, I found Firefox was misbehaving for inexplicable reasons. Shrug, I don’t mind Safari that much, and for when AdGuard for Safari isn’t working, I also have AdGuard Home running on my home network.
@[email protected] Firefox, despite Mozilla’s current trajectory because the Chromium monopoly will ultimately harm the web.
Hope to use @[email protected] someday 🤞
WaterFox!
@[email protected]
Firefox because it isn't chromium, and I just like it. With chromium, google controls the web. Doesn't matter what kind of wrapper a third party puts on it. It's still chromium and it's still google.
@[email protected]
asking us to vote between:
@[email protected]
I currently use:
Firefox on the desktop
Librewolf on the Linux laptop
Waterfox on my main phone
Vivaldi on my other persona on desktop, laptop and second phone.
Also going to try Floop and Zen.
Ostensibly I want to use Firefox forks but I find Vivaldi pretty cool despite being Chromium, especially on mobile.
TBH, none of them are ideal. I'd love to have one browser with multiple profiles across multiple devices, but I find that doesn't work for me.
#Firefox because of Multi-Account Containers
@[email protected] I would love to support Vivaldi more than I do but I worry about the Chromium base and also Firefox has its own plugin ecosystem.
@[email protected] Librewolf. Based on Firefox but more lightweight. I'll never use a Chromium-based browser in my life anymore.
@[email protected]
Other -> LibreWolf
@[email protected] I like Zen browser because it comes with vertical tabs, screenshot feature, and familiar dev tools.
Moreover, unlike Safari, it works well on macOS and Slack notification. When I checked my Slack tab on Safari, I usually found that it didn't load the page yet although I didn't shutdown or restart the computer.
@[email protected]
Just wish Google was not used in vivaldi , so when I don't want their influence I use ddg . if there is a way to keep Google completely out of Vivaldi. I'd like to know how.
Thanks MTT
@[email protected] I would love to use Vivaldi, but unfortunately the Ad-Blocker on Android isn't very good - Firefox using ublock-extension or Brave is doing a much better job there.
@[email protected] I choose Vivaldi as my favorite because I like many things about it. I use my home computer now for recipes, cash spreadsheets, and a shopping list. I had not previously used social media and this is a nice surprise for me to enjoy it. I used Netscape before Metacrawler and then I used shelves of books until trying Firefox. I used Chrome then Edge before I retired, but used Firefox and DuckDuckGo on home computers until I noticed Vivaldi about two years ago and put it on my home computer and laptop and cellphone. I like its many options and features and forums full of answers to questions I might ever need ask! It gives me a calendar and note and task pads and all sorts of things which optionally can sync and be seen when I use the browser on my cellphone or to choose not to sync. The very best is, when I removed Windows Operating System from my old laptop and replaced it with one of the Linux distributions now this Vivaldi continues to give me my familiar user experience. Thank you, to all and everyone who is and who are responsible for allowing me this user experience which followed me between operating systems, thank you.
@[email protected] Firefox+Fennec+Libre Wolf
@[email protected] I’ve been using Vivaldi lately, but I also like Firefox and Librewolf. However the internet today feels like that of 2000, so many websites only work with todays IE (Chrome), so yeah, the options are either Chromium or Gecko; and the latter doesn’t work for all websites.
It’s a very sad state of affairs.
@[email protected]
@[email protected] I’m currently trying Zen, which is FF inside and Arc outside, basically.
Re: why, I think Chrome is the new IE6, and we need more engines to keep the web open
@[email protected] Firefox, because its the only real alternative to chrome and its clones, firefox its still the most customizable browser, vivaldi its the second, but the biggest con of vivaldi feels that its the slower among chrome clones
@[email protected] can't live without Vivaldi's workspaces
@[email protected]
We will do our best to keep you happy. We will not least continue to improve our ad blocker.
@[email protected] It IS pretty good, sure. At the very least it doesn't randomly block my own collabora server unlike uBlock Origin.
But ultimately it's just not good enough. So the day I can't run uBlock Origin, my browsing experience will be immediately horrible
This is VERY MUCH a deal breaker. Overnight the browser will become essentially unusable. And I know because I use the mobile version already where I can't install an adblocker and... yeah, it sucks
@[email protected] Safari, because all my passwords live in iCloud, and I really like how the touch gestures for back and forward work.
@[email protected] Arc, with spaces, profiles, boosts, and really considered design decisions, it works really well for what I do.
@[email protected] librewolf
@[email protected] Brave
Firefox right now, and pretty happy with it, but Vivaldi is increasingly starting to sound like a contender.
@[email protected] I use a plethora of browsers.
I'm migrating fron Firefox to LibreWolf (sorry, I prefer non-chrome based browsers), but have a Ungoogled Chromium as a backup those times Firefox/LibreWolf doesn't cut it (I thought the world had learnt a lesson from the IE days; seems we need to educate a new generation web hipsters).
On Android I use the default browser (in @[email protected]) for a few news/blog sites, Mull and Vivaldi for some other sites and DuckDuckGo when searching. Default browser is Mull with Privacy Mode enabled by default.
I honestly don't like that the Chrome based browsers seems to be dominating these days. We need a heterogeneous web render environment to ensure a single dominant player dictates how things will be for users.
And without such competition, I fear there will be a lesser drive to further improve browsers. Just like when Netscape seemed too complacent with their own browsers back in the days.
@[email protected] Firefox, largely because I like supporting an alternative (non-Blink) rendering engine - I think a rendering engine monoculture is very dangerous for the internet as a whole.
@[email protected]
#Firefox got a ton of variants/forks recently.
So yeah I take Firefox + Arkenfox user.js or Librewolf if they fixed their CI/CD
TIL Midori migrated to Gecko in 2019
@[email protected] After dropping Opera, I now mostly use Waterfox. Vivaldi is also on my desktop and laptop. But so is Brave, Firefox and DuckDuckGO. Edge is also on there, but only because MS won't allow me to remove it :(
I use Vivaldi but I would really like to see more attention to quality. Breaking things randomly in minor releases and then taking half a year to fix them is not okay, guys. A public issue tracker would also help, instead of the scream-into-the-void bug report form. I understand that you've taken everything from the old Opera team, but this part should've been left behind.
@[email protected] only now noticed your handle and who you are...and "Feel free to share why."
For me having an alternative rendering engine is a key reason to stay loyal to Firefox.
So no vivaldi for me though I trust you if you'd say it's wonderful in many other aspects (like features and privacy).
@[email protected] about:config
@[email protected] I’m a Safari user. Mostly because integration and it is not built by/for ad money.
Apple's ad business is a $4B/year industry, the vast majority of it from web searches in Safari.
Hi @[email protected]
As a technology enthusiast, I’d like to share my perspective on this.
Firefox has been my go-to browser for a while, mainly because of:
Vivaldi, on the other hand, has a special place in my heart for its unique and productivity-oriented features:
A Few Observations
While Vivaldi excels in many areas, there are a couple of things I’d like to highlight:
High RAM Usage: Vivaldi can be quite demanding on memory.
Text-to-Speech Feature: Adding a natural and seamless "Read Aloud" feature would make it even more user-friendly.
Cheers 😊
@[email protected] brave
@[email protected]
Checked FF on Desktop but use Fennec on Android because it's not Chrome🤷
@[email protected] @[email protected]
@[email protected] : And my second favorite is Lynx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)
@[email protected]
I use Chromium which is a complete browser that every Chromium based browser uses. It gets the work done.
Firefox for everything else.
@[email protected] my favourite is Zen.
@[email protected] None. All have flaws.
Browsers are poorly designed, fundamentally. There is no reason to have media player, etc, into what should be a text / hyperlink display.
The only good thing about Vivaldi is F2ing (screenshot). Otherwise you provide bloatware filled with quirks.
@[email protected] I love Safari because it's not chrome & it's got sleek apple design & it means I don't have to use the loathsome firefox
@[email protected] Hands down Lynx. No javascript, no images, no self-playing movies.
@[email protected] Librewolf, because it is not Google controlled then Vivaldi and Brave they all have different uses
@jon Firefox on Desktop, Vivaldi on mobile.
Vivaldi is close for me on Mobile because it works really well, but I'm using the Fennec version of Firefox from F-droid currently and it's a favorite, with Vivaldi close behind. Close on mobile because it's the second closest thing for me on privacy goals, and Firefox & forks on Android are a bit buggy.
Firefox (preferably forks) on desktop fully because of the UI being open source, no slight against Vivaldi for that, I fully understand the reasoning for not doing so. I just prefer open source so I bias towards as much as possible of it when not overly difficult to do so.
I do not trust Mozilla, more open source nature of the app allows me to take trust of ownership out of the equation a bit, especially so with forks.
Fennec on F-Droid was left unpatched for months. Same with Mull, which was getting updated by its maintainers DivestOS; the updates just weren't getting into F-Droid's repos.
@[email protected] Vivaldi and Waterfox.
@[email protected] Using #Arc browser and loving almost all of it. It's like #Chrome on steroids for UX.
@[email protected] Appropriately set up I use Firefox.🙏
@[email protected] I use #Floorp now (Fork of Firefox).
@[email protected] Vivaldi because it's the most like Opera 12.18 and before, at least in spirit.
LibreWolf in second place because it's more privacy focused than FireFox and I got used to FireFox between opera's terrible switch to being chromium-based and Vivaldi being available.
@[email protected] Others browser are difficult to use on a Chromebook.
@[email protected] I use Watefox, based on Firefox, has Mozilla login/sync and an Android client too
@[email protected] Code infused Silverlight™, so it makes the Software and Hardware better from running. #NoOffPC
@[email protected] I hate them all for different reasons. Here are my requirements:
@[email protected] right now zen browser
@[email protected]
Brave
@[email protected] For me on Windows performance is more or less the same for all the above browsers. Edge is decent and do all what the average user needs. I like Vivaldi because is tweakable (I like the idea of the mail client but something on the UI doesn't work for me, maybe I'm only used with Outlook). Firefox because I use it since it was Phoenix and I'm so sorry it is dieing.
@[email protected] Other
AVG Secure Browser ^^
@[email protected] Firefox, because of the non-monoculture rendering engine.
@[email protected] brave o waterfox
@[email protected] Firefox, but I can’t really explain why because it’s a lot of tiny things that make it better, but the fact it isn’t Chromium-based is probably the most significant point. And probably a bit of nostalgia too.
@[email protected] I use Vivaldi on my Mac because it has a Chromium base, so it has a lot of compatibility benefits that provides, while also providing good privacy and a great experience that I can customize to work how I want it. I used to be a large proponent of Firefox, but I don’t like their recent modus operi of shoving god-knows what into the browser.
I also really like Safari. It’s a great mobile browser, and even on the Mac it gives me good battery life, and syncs across all my Apple devices.
@[email protected] under Android only Opera and Aloha, under Windows Chrome and Firefox.
@[email protected] I used FF since its first release, its my workhorse, and I use a lot of privacy plugins. I like the Interface, its fast, zoom is good, And my perception is, the plugin interface is more open and there are more powerful plugins as with chome based browsers
also I liked opera in the past and such the vivaldi concept is really nice.
its fast, the redraw when zooming is distracting, zoom could have more finer steps,
@jon I never tested if vivaldi could replace my thunderbird... but is mixing stuff in one programm really a good idea?
perhaps I will try in a VM one day.
and I would like to see if vivaldi would support other mastodon instances...
PS: on Android vivaldi is my favorite but please: fdroid store!
@schnedan ,
We have found that having things integrated has significant benefits, but of course there is a bit of getting used to. Give it a try!
As a side note, it is easy to run multiple instances of Vivaldi, so you can run Mail, Calendar and Feeds in one instance and most of your Web browsing in another. There is flexibility here.
@[email protected] its more like, if something is broken I will lose browser, mail,... all at the same time
I run Archlinux with fast update pace... There was never an issue with vivaldi in years, but some risk remains.
On the contrary, if thunderbird would break, I would face the same problems. No mail is an issue 😉
@[email protected]
I trust Vivaldi, the company, to do right by me more than the developers of the other browsers.
I've been using it at home for quite some time now. I wonder though why some corporate environments started outright blocking Vivaldi.
@[email protected] @[email protected] Duckduckgo
@[email protected] I have several : Floorp, Dillo+, Tor Browser, Vivaldi, Ladybird top my list.
@[email protected] #zenBrowser
@[email protected]
On macOS it doesn’t feel native like f.e. Orion does. Also often the scrolling feels weird: content not moving as fast as your finger.
@[email protected] Zen
@[email protected] Orion for macOS (it uses WebKit, framework-native Mac application)
@[email protected] Floorp. Firefox with better privacy and better interface.
@[email protected] Vivaldi. No dns leaks. Super fast. Sync is nice. Dark mode is so good. Integrated ad/tracker blocker works well.
@[email protected] Zen-Browser forked from Firefox. @[email protected]
@[email protected] I use safari on Mac as it is the only browser that works with the Apple Passwords app. If Vivaldi worked with it I would use that instead
@[email protected] Big fan of Vivaldi....and Brave. I'd love to love another
@[email protected] , thanks for your support!
@[email protected] Firefox because of its tweaks. I admire what Vivaldi has achieved, but Firefox can achieve almost the same with extensions. The only thing missing in Firefox are native tab groups, but they are a work in progress according to their site.
If Firefox vanished tomorrow, I would quite likely use Vivaldi. I was an Opera user in the old days. Vivaldi is the only browser that follows that spirit today.
@[email protected]
Thanks for your kind words. Did you try Workspaces in Vivaldi as well? Quick commands? The searchable Window panel?
@[email protected] OK, I tried them. They are nice to have, but for users who manage many tabs at the same time. It is not my case.
One thing I like a lot about Firefox is the about:config page. My main change is content.notify.backoffcount > 0. It stops the browser partial refreshes, and shows a web page only when its parts finished loading. In my experience, it makes the browsing faster and more comfortable for my eyes.
It could be a nice switch to have in Vivaldi too.
@[email protected] Yes, I did. I'm not fan of Workspaces, but I get the idea. Quick comands, not yet; the searchable windows not either.
I do not tend to have so many tabs open at the same time, I guess.
@[email protected] (Although Chromium-based browsers' main selling point is speed.)
Firefox does not have tab groups or workspaces (yet?) but you can mimic the experience with Sidebery.
Related links:
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Content.notify.backoffcount
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery
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On the desktop, I use #Librewolf, the #Firefox fork. But, on Android, I prefer the #DuckDuckGo Browser.
@[email protected] Vivaldi + Brave All features potential of Vivaldi (panels, second-level tabs, workspaces, page actions, page tiling, translator, reading list...) + privacy/cookies/certificates/ad-blocker... features of Brave
@[email protected] I found out that also Edge is quite nice. Very friendly, the tabs can be moved to the side position, the same panel as in Vivaldi, excellent translator. But there is not so easy to switch between search engines, also not so easy to switch to the main workspace, and there's almost no Speed Dial.
I've been living with Edge (on macOS, imagine) for some months when Vivaldi has several annoying bugs, but later I came back to Vivaldi, and now Edge is my second browser, for some different cases :) Good luck!
Vivaldi has been my daily driver since 1.0, i can't live without tab tiling and vertical tabs in my work. Would love to have the ability to sort my open tabs by domain or an alpha sort.
Please continue to improve the Adblock functions. It doesn't compare to manifest v2 ublock origin yet.
Loving 7.0 so far!
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Glad to hear that. Thanks for your support.
Have you tried looking at the Windows panel? You can sort tabs there. The search there is pretty helpful as well.
We continue to work on the ad blocker. It will continue to improve.
I had not tried the window panel, I'll check it out!
Keep up the great work!
@jon even if Firefox is my 1st option, but is the 2nd option and I use it almost daily
@[email protected] Chrome: tab groups.
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Have your tried tab stacks and workspaces in Vivaldi?
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Brave:
1.- is FOSS
2.- By default it is configured for privacy, I don't have to do anything extra.
#foss #brave @[email protected] #linux #vivaldi
@[email protected] Personally I like Zen Browser, it’s open-source Arc like browser which I really like
@[email protected] a good browser has good dev tools, and an absence of AI bullshit.
@[email protected] #vivaldibrowser is by far the best. It saves me so much time. I need to have many tabs open in several windows in several virtual desktops in several monitors. Workspaces, tabs stacking and tab search are lifesavers. The quick search has a built-in calculator that I use all the time. It's the most innovative and customizable browser there is. Sync is flawless. I use it in Mac, Windows and Android.
#Edge would be my 2nd choice. I like how fast it loads in my old Windows laptop, probably because it's pre-loaded. I like the way Bing presents the search results and the Copilot integration. I love the read-aloud feature. It recognizes the language automatically and it sounds very natural.
@jon Vivaldi is just like home.
The workspaces, the customizability, tab stacking...
it’s made with love
@[email protected] , glad you like it!
@[email protected] I use duckduckgo
@[email protected] Librewolf is just better than firefox.
@[email protected] @[email protected] and @[email protected]
@[email protected] Brave... because it loads fast, and has the best built in ad blocking. Please change your ad-blocker accordingly.
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There's no one. Hopefully Servo or Ladybird helps me decide.
@[email protected] Team Firefox.
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Mullvad
@jon I like Firefox and Vivaldi.
FF is totally open source and often renders fonts better than Chromium-based browsers and the PDF reader is more robust. I'm currently working through an online training module and it's the only PDF program that lets me highlight sections of the provided documentation and will remember changes when I save the document.
Vivaldi has a ton of features and is pretty quick and responsive, especially on Android. Still having odd issues with the mail client and I'm really not sure what to make of or do with the new dashboard though.
Has anyone tried floorp? I’ve been using it and it seems good with side tabs. Any others with opinion (good or bad) about it?
@[email protected] Firefox on Android supports extensions, wish Vivaldi did the same!
@[email protected] my favorite browser is Orion by @[email protected] https://kagi.com/orion/
@[email protected] Opera from before the switch to chromium remains my favorite to this day, every browser I've used since doesn't feel as feature complete or as fun as Opera did.
@[email protected] , I am very proud of what we built at Opera at that time, but you will find that and more in Vivaldi now.
@[email protected] I'll need to take another closer look at it then.
@[email protected] I was a long-time Opera aficionado, only dropped it when they switched to WebKit (and then Blink) and the last Presto-based version became obsolete (TLS-wise, mostly). Switched to Firefox, with which I'll stick as long as it maintains Gecko. Would love to jump to Vivaldi, but we need more independent rendering engines for the health of the web.
@[email protected] @[email protected]
#zenbrowser because it's Firefox with left side tabs, better interface and better privacy.
#Vivaldi
#browser
#Firefox
#Edge
#Chrome
#Safari
#Opera
#Windows
#Linux
#macos
#iOS
#Android
Firefox because only it supports (via an extension) having different sessions in different tabs, so I can log into 3 different accounts at the same website at the same time and use the same browser window for all of them. I need this and won't move to a different browser.
@[email protected] Ordinare use: Chrome. Security work: Firefox.
@[email protected] Vivaldi loyal since its early days for its customisability and ear to the user, even though I find its hosting of user accounts quite glitchy.
@[email protected] i use the #Firefox clones on desktop and mobile for more #privacy & plugins for #security (see links):
:mastodon: https://chaos.social/@kubikpixel/112494576029392783
:mastodon: https://chaos.social/@kubikpixel/111793141784616361
@[email protected] Vivaldi and Zen browsers. Cuz I like customizability. Zen feels faster though. Vivaldi and Fennec on Android.
@[email protected] i kind of hate them all, each for a different reason...
@[email protected] Orion! We got a kagi subscription a while back and I enjoyed it so much I decided to try their browser. It blocks youtube ads on all my devices, so it's a keeper
@jon I'm a Vivaldi supporter since V1. Because of open privacy (MV3) and open finger printing support I use more & more FF and Zen in the last months ... ;-( But I love Vivaldi, great team support and the Vivaldi style
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@[email protected] is my favorite because it gets so much right, right out of the box and is made by good people.
@[email protected] It is like fashion. I switch between WebKit and Gecko.
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I use #Zen because its #Firefox without the drama. Plus workspaces!
@[email protected] , I have not tried them, but it looks like they have taken some inspiration from Vivaldi. Even marketing.
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The marketing bit that convinced me was: "you can log in with your existing Firefox Sync account without any hassle"
@[email protected] I like Firefox as a platform, but don't like it as a browser
@[email protected] I found Zen, which is built on top of Firefox and I love it a lot
@[email protected] safari and Firefox. Alternative to chromium-based browsers.
@[email protected] LibreWolf for privacy &
Vivaldi for functionality
@[email protected] Edge because it's the only one on the market that has an option to:
I like to keep my downloads folder clean, sorry 😢
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I'm pretty sure this just reflects "people who know what a browser is", or least "people who know enough about browsers to have an opinion".
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Because 'Vivaldi' is simply the world's best browser for me.
Especially on 'Linux'.
And has been for a long time.
I think it's also worth taking a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' behind it. ;-)
Currently Firefox in first place, then Safari just ahead of Vivaldi here. :tony_unhappy:
I think many people here have simply not yet looked at Vivaldi for all platforms.
Based on 'Chromium', 100% open source.
:tony_happy: :tony_smiling: :tony_wee:
@[email protected] I use chrome because I have a chromebook right now, but when I'm running Linux its librewolf
@[email protected] I started to really like ARC until recently when I heard they are focusing on a new project. Then I would say Firefox and Safari
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Vivaldi is my daily driver, looking into Librewolf as my not-Chrome.
What I'd really like is the Vivaldi shell, as & tracker blocking, etc, with the Firefox HTML & js engines. No google or moz bullshit, just a nice clean shell and engines.
@[email protected] Safari because it’s fast, reliable, has a beautiful design, fits well in the Apple ecosystem and it’s not Chromium!
@[email protected] I like the hypocrisy of open source community as everybody uses Firefox and the overall usage is under 3 %
@[email protected] Chrome and Brave - I don't care about Google as we pay a lot of money for SaaS by Google, there's no alternative to
ads blocked by AdGuard DNS
@[email protected] as Linux based devs are just ~3 % of all users, it has no meaning for the overall picture 😂
Sometimes i take Vimb for lighter browsing, but for the most time i stay attached to Firefox for the whole browsing experience and sync my tablet, laptop & smartphone with it.
@[email protected] 日本語で書きます。翻訳サイトなど使ってください。
Firefoxは唯一日本語IMEの動作を正しく行ってくれます。なので文節などの変換が見やすく、安心できます。拡張が多くても不安定になりにくいです。Quantumは正しい判断だったと思います。
Chromium系（Elctronも）IMEの処理がおざなりで点線出しとけはいいだろうとしかとれない動作画面です。たまに文節区切りを見失いますし変なところになることがあります。
あとは垂直タブがあるかどうかで、その垂直タブもタブ同士の親子関係が表せられないと意味がないです。
ということでFirefox+Tree Style Tabが使いやすく、その次にVivaldiが来ます。
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General usage: LibreWolf
Dev: Polypane by @[email protected]
@[email protected] @[email protected] Waterfox and Qutebrowser!
@[email protected] Firefox Focus on iOS. Refuses everything by default. Has a “delete session” button.
@[email protected] I run with @[email protected] and @[email protected] on my daily machines, but have access to #Opera, #Edge, #Firefox and #Chrome for UI testing.
@[email protected] I have no favourite browser anymore since Opera 12. I don't want to support the Chromium dominance but Firefox still feels clunky. I have some sympathy for the Zen browser project. And then there's Vivaldi, with a lot of stuff I appreciated when I was still using Opera. But … Chromium, you know 🤷.
@fluchtkapsel
Indeed, we are using Chromium, but there really is not a lot of choice. I hope you will make the switch. If you liked Opera 12, you will love Vivaldi.
@[email protected] I already use Vivaldi since a botched Chromium browser update about a year ago. It's just a little bit sad that there's neither a lot of choice nor something like Chromium project but on a Gecko basis.
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I wish I could have used Presto, but sadly that is not an option. The Presto code was much better in many ways that both Gecko and Blink. It was all in one. Very little 3rd party code. It compiled in a couple of minutes on a slow computer.
At this time the Chromium codebase is the best available.
Clearly there is a lot more to a browser than just the core and we modify the core as needed as well, so I hope you see we are providing something special here.
@[email protected] After testing all the browsers my favourite is Vivaldi due to their focus on privacy and no crypto crap. I also like to browse their forums which has been helpful to me at times.
@[email protected] It is my default browsing. Completely customizable, I adjust it to my way and it has many options and pluses such as blog, note taking, RSS reader, translator and much more.
@[email protected] https://thorium.rocks/
@[email protected] Firefox, because it has good privacy options, and their development tools are very useful
@[email protected] Firefox since early times. Now evaluating Vivaldi on Linux and iPad(I know same browser engine as Safari). Just curious
@[email protected] #DuckDuckGo is my favorite browser.
@[email protected] I use Vivaldi for several years on both, desktop (Windows) and mobile (Android), and i can tell you all without fear, without no regrets, that it give me all what i need to surf internet on the better and secure way i ever prof with any other browser
@[email protected] #Firefox, because not Chrome.
@[email protected] logiciel libre, respect de la vie privée, non inféodé aux GAFAM
@jon Vivaldi. Because it's better than Firefox. Haters gonna hate.
@[email protected] Zen Browser @[email protected]
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I don't have one anymore. They all seem to either embraced tge AI BS, will be ruined be Google's F-ing manifest v3, ir they're made by yucky folk.
As soon as anyone outs out a browser that just shows websites and allows for best possible privacy without dicking around, I'll use that.
@[email protected] Firefox for now, although for how much longer is unknown. Over the course of time, it's become slower and somewhat bloated from what I can tell.
I've been tweaking and twiddling another browser, when I have time, to see if a smooth transition can eventually take place.
@jon
Many, many comments here. :tony_laughing:
So a lot of interest in this question.
No wonder really, here on 'Mastodon'.
Veery good. :tony_wee:
Maybe someone else is interested in digging through here. ;-) ;-)
I'm sure several people will take a closer look at the 'Vivaldiserve' afterwards.
https://vivaldi.com
:tony_smiling: :tony_happy:
LibreWolf and Mull. I did use Chromium recently for a web-based GrapheneOS install, that was kind of cool.
https://privacytests.org/android.html
LibreWolf and Mull. I did use Chromium recently for a web-based GrapheneOS install, that was kind of cool.
https://privacytests.org/android.html
@[email protected] Pale Moon. It's single-process, so if something goes wrong, I can kill the browser simply. It supports the plugins and extensions I need, want, and use on a daily basis. It doesn't support DRM, RTC, or the concepts pushed on us by DoubleClick. I'm very happy with the browser.
@[email protected] Different Browsers for different situations
@[email protected] Firefox is my favorite when I can use it, but at least on my new Mac, I found Firefox was misbehaving for inexplicable reasons. Shrug, I don’t mind Safari that much, and for when AdGuard for Safari isn’t working, I also have AdGuard Home running on my home network.