Anti-slavery measure Prop. 6 fails, allowing forced labor to continue in California prisons
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And expansion of rent control. And a minimum wage hike.
I voted to get all three taken care of, none passed.
Oh, but Prop 36 passed, so more people can potentially become prison slaves.
Oh and 34 which will ensure that HIV/AIDS orgs, like those that supported prop 33, will not be able to engage in political advocacy. This has truly been a garbage election with garbage people supporting garbage policies or refusing to stand against garbage.
Yeah 34 was essentially a hit on one particular AIDS foundation in LA that's politically active. Landlord associations took offense and went after them with 34
Check this shit out: https://calmatters.org/california-voter-guide-2024/propositions/prop-34-patient-spending/
As usual voters fell for the packaging rather than actually reading about the effects.
Not petty at all, nuh-uh!
Fucking landlords ruining everything for everyone as usual 🤦🤬
So what happens if you just don't work? how is it being forced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States#Modern_prison_labor_systems
It's bad.
I'm sorry ? WHAT ? This is so fucked up…
Holy shit I'm 1000% with you, my jaw dropped when it was confirmed by the report of an inmate being "beaten to the point of full body paralysis" 😶
Other countries should sanction US goods and services made with such labor like they do for Chinese goods made with forced labor. I won't hold my breath though, the world at large was clearly never too upset about the forced labor part or something would have already been done about this.
I agree. Slavery was never really stopped. Big brands like McDonalds use convict labour. Some states will lease a slave/convict to private citizens for things like yard work.
Why would people that benefit from forced labour want to end it? Cheap labour benefits the wealthy - more money to make money with. And to those who think criminals should face actual punishment and pay back society - well: Why would they have a problem with forced labour. And, we have the political spectrum nicely tied up there - at least a majority of it.
If you want to get reform in: You need to address two groups - the "tough on crime" crowd, and the "abuse of prisoners is unacceptable" crowd - and that CAN be done. We need some core changes:
Those three things - increase penalty for uncooperative individuals; It creates an environment of owning responsibility for actions; and it means that prisoners aren't being paid a fraction of the minimum pay rate of the 1960's. We can go even further with this:
In this way: There is a STRONG incentive to take actions, and efforts that will get you transferred to a lower security prison. We can also do things with half-way houses - and support training programs, and perhaps even voluntary association with a case worker post conviction for individuals that FEEL like they need extra support avoiding re-offending. This is not about reducing, or removing the existing system - but expanding it.
In effect: This entire set of changes is not about reducing the punishment on crime, nor straight up reducing the incarcerated population. Instead: It's all about PERSONAL responsibility. And maybe, you could actually get THAT kind of reform through.
Go rewatch Cool Hand Luke.
Slavery is wrong, period.
Trump is going to pardon and release those terrorists back into society anyway.
Trump doesn't seem to care much about technicalities. He'll do whatever he wants and the majority in Congress and SCOTUS will be right there with him. He's got everything right where he wants it now and everyone's compliant and submissive.
Yeah, he'll send the military if he has to. And he'll force compliance from blue states. The constitution is something that's only seems valid to him when it bends his way. And now he has SCOTUS to interpret it just the way he wants it.
I doubt he cares that much. They've served their purpose for him.