Not to rain on the parade but this dude was fairly crazy. So long as extreme division is still being peddled over the… every single form of media, nothing will change.
That should happen. The problem is they hesitated on it for far too long.
The problem is the alternative reality of a cluster B personality disorder (alternative reality is a hallmark of that mental illness) has been hardcore peddled by the medias as normal, like his internal delusions and fixations are part of a normal this or that discussion, like whether you prefer to work night shift or day shift and why, instead of treating it as what it really is: not reality.
If not reality had been shut down instead of explored from day one, this would not be the problem it is today.
This, what we are living, is Trumps hard core mental illness given encouragement and validation, grown large. Cluster B personality disorders ARE mental illness.
Yeah, this wasn't your typical MAGA nut. He was quite extra. Plus, he attacked one of our top federal officers, aiming for 3rd in line to the Presidency.
Lots of reasons this guy is getting buried that didn't/won't apply to your typical MAGA terrorist.
Typical lemmy, downvoting OP because you sense he might not be saying something you like.
Hey OP! Call Trump some childish names so we all know where you stand!
Well this is true, At least they shovedsomebody in there that fucking did it. Unlike the likely innocent people they've killed recently, or the one that was exonerated and is still in jail I believe?
Prison is our fucking answer to everything. No house? Prison. Said something bad? Prison. Had a bad month and hit somebody? Prison. Prison. Prison.
We lean on it as a convenient one-stop solution when we could instead do work to rehabilitate people, fix the problem, or prevent the problem from happening. The reason our prisons are overflowing is because no one is stepping up and saying, "maybe prison shouldn't be our answer to every single societal problem."
stop saying "prison should exist because of this one case"
there will always be extreme cases that need to be handled differently from the default setting. but the default setting should not be prison, it should be rehabilitation.
It wasn't deliberate. I said, "the default setting should not be prison" and you replied "Yes, that is what the default should be." so I read it as contrary. So I appreciate your response
He cracked someone's skull open with a hammer at their house for no reason. Someone like this needs to be isolated from the rest of society. I can't believe you use this as an example to state that you don't believe in prison as punishment. We should be able to operate humane prisons, but segregating violent offenders protects society.
Cool so should the default solution for every fucking problem be the same solution we apply to a guy that cracked someone's skull open with a hammer?
I'm not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be punished. I'm saying prison shouldn't be the default solution for everything. People like you who defend the prison industrial complex are the reason it still exists. You are using your emotional reaction to one incident to justify a human rights crisis in your fucking backyard and it's lazy and pathetic. Be a better person.
You don't know anything about me, and I never defended "the prison industrial complex"
Don't talk shit to me- you must be upset because all that shit you wrote sounds really stupid
Not for every problem, but if you're physically dangerous there's not many better solutions. We need preventive measures so fewer people end up in that state, but you can't prevent away ongoing violence.
Prison or a psych ward should absolutely be the answer to someone trying to kill a stranger with a hammer because of what they heard on radio/TV. I don’t care how bad someone’s month was if they’re trying to kill me.
I'm not saying separation dangerous people from society is a bad one.
I'm saying prison shouldn't be the default solution for every offense.
The USA has the highest number and percentage of incarcerated people anywhere in the world because everyone's kneejerk response is, "but we need it for dangerous murderers!" instead of "it's a human rights crisis that we're allowing to happen in our backyards and we're choosing to allow it to happen instead of doing the hard work of brainstorming and building an effective alternative".
I agree with you about prison not being a panacea for criminal / violent behavior.
When given the chance to address the court prior to his sentencing, DePape, dressed in prison orange and with his brown hair in a ponytail, spoke at length about Sept. 11 being an inside job, his ex-wife being replaced by a body double, and his government-provided attorneys conspiring against him.
“I’m a psychic,” DePape told the court, reading from sheets of paper. “The more I meditate, the more psychic I get.”
While I don't think that DePape should be released into the public, it sounds like some sort of psychiatric facility would be more appropriate for him. Ignoring mental health issues is not going to make them go away and maybe if he and others like him were put someplace where he could be observed then we, as a society, may be able to put some policies in place to address future potential dangers before they culminate in violence.
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Not to rain on the parade but this dude was fairly crazy. So long as extreme division is still being peddled over the… every single form of media, nothing will change.
"No you're not allowed to call fascists and terrorists what they are, that's divisive!"
That should happen. The problem is they hesitated on it for far too long.
The problem is the alternative reality of a cluster B personality disorder (alternative reality is a hallmark of that mental illness) has been hardcore peddled by the medias as normal, like his internal delusions and fixations are part of a normal this or that discussion, like whether you prefer to work night shift or day shift and why, instead of treating it as what it really is: not reality.
If not reality had been shut down instead of explored from day one, this would not be the problem it is today.
This, what we are living, is Trumps hard core mental illness given encouragement and validation, grown large. Cluster B personality disorders ARE mental illness.
You know who sows more division than anyone else?
Fuckface 45
Yeah, this wasn't your typical MAGA nut. He was quite extra. Plus, he attacked one of our top federal officers, aiming for 3rd in line to the Presidency.
Lots of reasons this guy is getting buried that didn't/won't apply to your typical MAGA terrorist.
Typical lemmy, downvoting OP because you sense he might not be saying something you like.
Hey OP! Call Trump some childish names so we all know where you stand!
You were making good points until your last two sentences.
As if the US would ever imprison someone so rich.
edit I was talking about Elon I'm so high I thought I was on another post.
Who are you talking about?
Oh shit I was in the wrong tab. I thought I was on an article about Elmo for some reason. My bad.
No no, keep cooking.
Tell me more about jail for Elon Musk.
Can't we just Capone him and catch on tax evasion somewhere?
Now he can hang out with his idol Trump
Another instance where the prison system is used as a warehouse for the mentally ill.
Well this is true, At least they shovedsomebody in there that fucking did it. Unlike the likely innocent people they've killed recently, or the one that was exonerated and is still in jail I believe?
At least some of MAGA gets normal consequences for heinous actions.
Good. That’s where he belongs.
I haven't heard, but has her husband fully recovered?
good, and I was also expecting more of these types of sentences for the insurrectionists.
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Prison is our fucking answer to everything. No house? Prison. Said something bad? Prison. Had a bad month and hit somebody? Prison. Prison. Prison.
We lean on it as a convenient one-stop solution when we could instead do work to rehabilitate people, fix the problem, or prevent the problem from happening. The reason our prisons are overflowing is because no one is stepping up and saying, "maybe prison shouldn't be our answer to every single societal problem."
Your point would be valid if it was about possessing drugs or some other non-violent crime instead of attempted murder.
He planned on torturing them first. I think it's the whole planning and then following through on it aspect that got him life.
stop saying "prison should exist because of this one case"
there will always be extreme cases that need to be handled differently from the default setting. but the default setting should not be prison, it should be rehabilitation.
Yes, that is what the default should be.
This is not a default case and he should be incarcerated even if the system was perfect.
Default setting should be prison? For marijuana possession?
https://www.mpp.org/policy/federal/how-many-federal-marijuana-prisoners-are-there/#:~:text=For%20instance%2C%20a%20report%20by,and%2010%2C000%20in%20federal%20facilities).
For fucking getting an abortion???
Prison should not be the default setting for anything my dude.
Are you intentionally misreading my posts?
I was agreeing with you that rehabilitation should be the default, and pointing out attempted murder is not the default.
Got it, thank you for clarifying.
It wasn't deliberate. I said, "the default setting should not be prison" and you replied "Yes, that is what the default should be." so I read it as contrary. So I appreciate your response
Yeah make them pay a fine
How much should attempted murder cost anyway?
Ten dollars?
What is your solution?
I don't need to offer an alternative.
It is enough to say "the current system doesn't work for me and I want change."
He cracked someone's skull open with a hammer at their house for no reason. Someone like this needs to be isolated from the rest of society. I can't believe you use this as an example to state that you don't believe in prison as punishment. We should be able to operate humane prisons, but segregating violent offenders protects society.
Cool so should the default solution for every fucking problem be the same solution we apply to a guy that cracked someone's skull open with a hammer?
I'm not saying this guy doesn't deserve to be punished. I'm saying prison shouldn't be the default solution for everything. People like you who defend the prison industrial complex are the reason it still exists. You are using your emotional reaction to one incident to justify a human rights crisis in your fucking backyard and it's lazy and pathetic. Be a better person.
You don't know anything about me, and I never defended "the prison industrial complex" Don't talk shit to me- you must be upset because all that shit you wrote sounds really stupid
No you did, and you're the one getting upset.
You should be. You're supporting slavery.
LOL
Generally I want to agree with you. We punish instead of help.
But in this case, prison is the ideal result.
didn't want to get side tracked by this one case
but getting hit with a bus was the ideas result for this guy lol
Not for every problem, but if you're physically dangerous there's not many better solutions. We need preventive measures so fewer people end up in that state, but you can't prevent away ongoing violence.
Prison or a psych ward should absolutely be the answer to someone trying to kill a stranger with a hammer because of what they heard on radio/TV. I don’t care how bad someone’s month was if they’re trying to kill me.
correct but we use the "attempted murder solution" on everything, which is the problem.
Seems unrelated to a post about literal attempted murder??
Do you think he wasn’t trying to kill him? What people are charged with and what actually happened don’t always overlap.
He's in prison. My comment was about prison. Media literacy matters.
I'm not saying separation dangerous people from society is a bad one.
I'm saying prison shouldn't be the default solution for every offense.
The USA has the highest number and percentage of incarcerated people anywhere in the world because everyone's kneejerk response is, "but we need it for dangerous murderers!" instead of "it's a human rights crisis that we're allowing to happen in our backyards and we're choosing to allow it to happen instead of doing the hard work of brainstorming and building an effective alternative".
I agree with you about prison not being a panacea for criminal / violent behavior.
While I don't think that DePape should be released into the public, it sounds like some sort of psychiatric facility would be more appropriate for him. Ignoring mental health issues is not going to make them go away and maybe if he and others like him were put someplace where he could be observed then we, as a society, may be able to put some policies in place to address future potential dangers before they culminate in violence.