I think it'd be subverting expectations. From the start you might think it's about the Pacific trash island that has collected there, but then it turns the other way and calls Puerto Rico a trash island. A decently funny joke imo, even if rude. I've seen the same joke being done about the UK and it did get a proper chuckle out of me.
The main difference is that the UK used to be powerful and did a lot of bad things to a lot of countries around the world. Puerto Rico on the other hand has always been weak so it feels weird for someone in a much more powerful area of the world to pick on them.
Jeselnik is a class act. What's interesting to me is that the guy in the op, essentially has the same Roast style as Jeselnik. But the way they execute it is key.
I saw some of the ops bits from a comedy central roast, and they were really funny... But when you put him in the context of being at a trump rally wave saying stuff like this it's like "ohhh, you're not making subvertive jokes, you're just a bigot hiding behind 'comedy'"
It can be meaner but for a stand-up I think it could be fine, if the context is comedy and it didn't have genuine hatred behind it. In this case it's clear that it was used as a tool of hatred and not just for making a joke.
I don't think how places used to be plays any part in how funny insulting them is. Despite being as powerful as the UK when it was last relevant and worse, I think people would still be offended if he said Japan instead. "Always OK to hate colonizers" as someone put it my butt, the internet just really wants to make fun of France and not feel bad about it.
If by recent past you mean the genocides in their most recent wars with their neighbors then yes, I would say that would qualify them to be made fun of in that way. If you just mean some industrial successes in the 1980s, not so much.
I don't understand the joke because everybody knows the trash island (not an island btw, you cannot walk on it) is in the Pacific Ocean, and Puerto Rico is on the Atlantic Ocean, so it's inaccurate. I mean... geography is important, otherwise, you could do the joke with any island in the world and as a French, I would of course pick Great Britain.
Puerto Ricans can and do move and there's large numbers of them in swing states. There's 450 thousand just in Pennsylvania
EDIT: also doesn't help that he also said
“These Latinos, they love making babies, too. Just know that they do,” Hinchcliffe said, setting up his joke: “There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They c-- inside, just like they did to our country."
You couldn’t invent a band of chucklefucks more capable at torpedoing a presidential campaign…and yet here we are, tied, with apparently no ability to sway any voters away from Trump. It’s so demoralizing.
Tony Hinchcliffe is not funny. Watched his podcast for a while then totally abandoned it because I realized I wasn't laughing during most episodes. It's mostly seasoned comics taking cheap shots at amateurs and then saying some racist shit while they all laugh and no one in the audience does. His nasally voice is annoying as fuck and hitching his wagon to the trump train seems pretty on brand for that fuckwit. His comedy brand caters to the same people who really like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones, both regulars on the podcast. Shocking I know.
Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn't allowed to be it's own state
Downvoters somehow missing the point where Puerto Ricans are basically treated as second class citizens because of where they live. Puerto Rico should be it's own state already
They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.
American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.
It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it's own state already
I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe's Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?
I mean, it's not because they're Puerto Rican, it's because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
US citizens don't get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.
Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn't get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it's explicitly not a state.
I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they're in now
A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats in the US, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that "The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)" while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.
Yeah, maybe it wasn't entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can't vote becit of where they live
You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can't vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.
It doesn't matter what your ethnicity is.
You also can't vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.
I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories
It only makes sense in the context of the electoral college. But I think the electoral college should be gotten rid of via constitutional amendment and the president should be elected by popular vote. In that case, yes, they should be allowed to vote for president.
As it is now, there's no mechanism to assign electoral college votes to non-states.
The real joke is that the Trump campaign is tripping over itself now to disavow this message. Meanwhile it's come to light that this "comedian" was going to drop a c-bomb in his material in reference to Kamala, but the Trump campaign told him to remove it, and he complied.
Meaning they vetted the material and were a-fuckin'-ok with garbage island, only to later lie more and try to backpedal.
I'm still baffled by the logic of having a roaster/crowd work guy doing a set at a convention. Like... he was gonna insult people and start shit. It's literally his job.
He's not my cup of tea, but he's been around and successful for a while now. He's not an unknown entity who they could claim acted unpredictable.
I didn't watch because it's a republican political rally but he usually talks shit about other white people in the form of self deprecating humor in the shorts that get passed through my algorithm, so ... maybe? It doesn't help matters much though if he did, and it wouldn't be on the same level as calling the whole island trash.
Usually racial comedy can be fun when it takes advantage of knowledge of the in crowd. Like you couldn't really know to make fun of something unless you yourself were a fan of it. Like there are fun ways to joke around about cultures you love. He wasn't doing that.
Some people find that word to be too misogynistic to use as an epithet. I'm not quite sure where I stand on that myself, but I tend to avoid it overall.
I'm not British so I cannot use it in the proper manner. Literally the only demographic that can get away with it being an 8/10 on the Carlin index of offense terminology. If you aren't British it's pretty much a 10.
Tony, Chapelle, and Joe Rogan are actively murdering comedy. They blame everyone but themselves because they can't get with the times. They look down on people and punch down constantly, and still manage to miss the mark. They are not down to earth, they are not relatable, and they should NOT be looked up to.
If you look at actual funny people, they've worked out a way to do it without being heavily racist.
If you look at shows like Brooklyn 99, they did an amazing job at respecting everyone whilst being hilarious. The parts of this nonsense I saw, was just cringe. It seemed like they were trying more to advertise racism than going for humor, because even my mates are funnier and they're not professionals
It feels like they were probably surrounded by yes men their whole lives so have lost touch
But... PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand how friendly they are) and relaxing days.
And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.
But... PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people.
Yes, and ones who don't vote for these losers. That's what's got them butthurt. And the fact that they're a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I'm sure that also makes them seethe.
The main reason PR isn't a state is because Republicans are scared of how brown people would vote... and to a much greater extent, brown people in general.
This was such a weird choice, when the GOP was already getting more Latino support than previously... Wouldn't they want to court these people? Why would they straight up insult an entire voting bloc (one that experts have said could decide the outcome) this close to an election??
I know it's most likely just racism and stupidity, but I couldn't help but think that this dude did this on purpose to get less people to vote Republican? I mean, why else would they do this?
I previously knew this dude from his name, as the guy who writes most people's (particularly non-comedians) insult jokes at Roasts. I'm kind of surprised (but not really, I believe he hangs/hung around Rogan) he's a Trump supporter given the type of material he's written in the past.
I'm not a fan of Roasts, but I'm pretty sure this dude was supposed to be considered like the best at that. At least previously.
Maybe someone who knows more about this guy can weigh in on it. It's probably just racism if I'm being real.
After the 2012 loss to Obama, the RNC commissioned an investigation into what they could do better. It said, effectively, stop being racist, embrace immigrants, and ease off on abortion.
Well they can't vote for president. Unless the move to to the fifty states of confusion.
Right after Hurricane Irma hit Puerto Rico in 2017 I was at the local dount shop. All the local cofee drinker/maga's were there and this one POS was going on and on about how none of those filthy people were gonna come here and live off his tax dollars.
It was so stupid that I laughed. This dipshit asked me with a swagger in his voice what was so funny. I informed him that any one of them could get on a plane and come to the US. As soon as they changed their drivers license address they could register to vote. One or two of his asshole buddies confirmed that it was true and he was simply floored. Flummoxed is the best way to describe him.
1.7% nationally isn't much when spread out. I'm sure there are districts out there which are predominantly Puerto Rican, I just don't think they're a significantly large group.
Which is why I fully support making them a state and giving them due representation.
In a close election, any decent percentage matters and they are not spread out evenly at all. For instance, there are 500,000 in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania was won by only 42k in 2016
Plus a million in Florida - that can make the florida senate race a little more competitive. New York downballot races are a big part of why dems lost the house in 2022, and there's also around a million in New York
They should certainly have representation, yes, but that's not to say the Puerto Ricans in swing states / competitive downballot won't matter either
So is Donald Trump "presidential" yet? Trump will never get a bigger or better venue than Madison Square Garden between now and the election and THIS is the stupid shit he is going with.
This isn't even good racism. This is like, 2000s-era ironic racism. Which was about as funny as Holocaust jokes, and aged about as well as Anne Frank.
Where's the hateful, KKK, lynchmob racism? Don't just casually half ass it. Show your real murican colors. Y'all are living like American History X and you give us Wayne Brady on Chapelles Show.
There are large number of Puerto Ricans in many swing states (+ important downballot races), and Republicans have been trying to court their vote. This isn't doing them any favors
Peurto Ricans by state
Pennsylvania: 450k
North Carolina: 100k
Wisconsin: 65k
Michigan: 50k
Florida: 1.1 million
New York: 1 million
It doesn't even have to change minds all that much to matter. If any trump-leaning Puerto Ricans just don't turnout, it matters a lot
Of course I hope you are right, but if after the past decade and everything that has happened, that has been said, this election seems to be in a dead heat instead of Harris/Waltz winning by anything other than a landslide, I hold no illusions about the intelligence and decency of the "average" american voter, these people are already dead inside, or at least not too far removed from illiterate medieval peasants, easily dazzled by bullshit and god-kings with magic political wands... abraca-fucking-dabra.
I am not fan of Tony but I really love Shane Gillis. I loved the Trump and Biden(Shane and Adam) episode. It was the best comedy I've seen in quite a while.
People who attend these events know who will be performing. Kill tony constantly brings black/hispanic comics on his show so Im very confused by what you are trying to say. All republicans are not racist.
Its comedy but it sounds like you dont like that type of comedy. No one is being racist to people who willingly went to a show that kill tony would be on. Nothing I can do if it hurts your fragile feelings.
Comedy isn't a free pass to be a racist piece of shit.
For those that didn't know before that Tony Hinchliffe is a racist Republican, now they know and can choose for themselves what they want to do about that. You can go and suck Tony's dick.
Go ahead and paint me as triggered so you feel right lol
I love comedy that pushes the limits, but you can tell when there is real hate behind it. Racial jokes are some of the best, Shane Gillis does it in a way where you can tell he doesn't actually hate the target of the joke. Sometimes Tony does too, but then other times you see him essentially venting his anger at a group. Usually the jokes are improvised and horrible and obviously out of hatred. I watch tons of Kill Tony, I can send you examples if you want. Check him on Roast Battles when he shows up wasted and complains that trans people exist all night
"I am not racist because I have black friends". This is how you sound.
The presidential nominee for the GOP is openly racist, sexist and a fascist. By choosing DJT as a nominee, you cannot dissociate the rascim from the party. If you are still a member of the GOP and/or vote for Trump, at best, you enable racism.
So yeah, going to the GOP rally shitting on Puerto Ricans, you are most definitely racist.
all the retarded takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?
I think the joke was "I hate minorities, this is my unironic view! Race war now, if it aint white it's not right, white power!" which, is about as funny as a child with terminal illness, which is to say.. Not very funny at all, and is in fact quite a serious matter that should be taken as such.
I would like to know that. I would also like to know what the joke the same fuck told at the same event about black people carving Jack-o-Lanterns out of watermelons was.
According to the modlog, his comment was about how “all the r-slur takes in this thread are why many people hate lemmy, and you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
i can’t tell if you’re asking in earnest or not, but the joke is rooted in subversion of expectations. puerto rico has 29 landfills, all of which are way over capacity, so trash is currently building up.
presumably he’s pointing out an actual problem on the island, while also poking fun at them in an offensive way.
the exact same joke has been pulled about england for the past 20 years, albeit without pointing out any sanitation issue.
“all the [r-slur] takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
What’s the point of having a modlog that allows anyone to publicly see the comment that was removed?
The purpose was to show that they weren’t making some off-colored joke, as some suggested, but rather making a hateful statement in general. It was removed for violating rule 5. I censored out the slur, so if the mods want to remove my comment, they will. Feel free to ask them to do so.
NO IT ISN'T! Launches into multiparagraph long rant about ð importation of ð Gutenberg press mid GVS ruined English spelling to a similar extent to Thai and Tibetan spelling
I'm not one of the people who downvoted you. I like your passion. But maybe this is one of those things we can deal with after we've got a handle on climate change.
Interesting. Curious – beyond the historical linguistic context, do you find yourself using ðis style because you're deeply passionate about these language quirks, or is it also a way to make your writing stand out? Or perhaps it's a bit of boð, or something different?
I guess you could argue that using ð and þ like OP does makes English spelling clearer.
Right now, the digraph TH can make two different sounds (the sound in thy and the sound in thigh), and if a reader comes across a word or name they don't know (like Athena or Mathers), there's no way for them to know which TH sound it uses.
Using ð for the thy sound and þ for the thigh sound (which is what OP is doing) makes it clearer.
The point is that spelling and pronunciation in English are basically so different they might as well be two completely different languages so why bother with that one thing in particular?
I genuinely just do it because I find writing ðis way fun, and þink ð letters should make a comeback (along wið a host of oðer orþographic reforms viewable in my profile).
Not like I'm going out of my way to force oðers to use ðem ðough, so ð sheer vitriol I've caught for it has honestly made me double down over ð belief ðat people so devoted to ð status quo as to become enraged over a goddamned letter should spend ðeir lives mad about it until all ðat wasted anger kills ðem.
Are you not the one fighting to go back to the previous status quo? Are you not the one fighting change, something that language naturally goes through over time? What is your problem with change? Why do you want to make communication more difficult than it already is?
The only reason English abandonned the letters ð and þ is because we switched to using the French alphabet. I'm not sure I would describe that as natural change.
Speaking for Americans, we absolutely have the right to publish anything legal on any infrastructure that allows it.
It's quirky, and I am pretty quirky myself. Still, I would copy and paste one or two of your sentences into some language model to be sure I fully understood you.
A gentle request for clarity in your communications might be appropriate if one deems it prudent. Vitriol is a little over the line - the style is certainly not offensive. To address the specific wording on your point about rights, we would probably agree freedom from criticism is not a right, though we would also agree that extreme attacks are unnecessary.
::: spoiler more blah blah
I have visited a couple of forums over the years whose rules included English only. Each time, the rule was for the benefit of the community. Hey, I just had an idea: text in a spoiler tag could be used to hide a little glossary, so everyone would know the modern spellings of the old-school words you used. Or, if it's easier, simply copying the message a second time and using modern spellings would be another way to facilitate clear interpretations. Nobody is going to be struck by lightning or anything for not writing in a way that every human will immediately understand. But it does seem like this happy middle ground where you start by promoting your preferred syntax before respectfully appending a “translation” as this little olive branch of clarity.
We probably write in our journals for ourselves while we write on here for other community members, so taking the feedback you mention you’ve received into account is ostensibly a courtesy.
It's ð letter which represents ð soft 'th' sound ð way þ represents ð hard version. Like B and P but if we had just accepted representing boþ wið an fh for some reason.
I think it's up to the race he's going after to decide if this is offensive or not. And we Latinos agree it's offensive. Mainly because it's not funny it's just thinly veiled jokes used to push his real beliefs. And his "jokes" are lame and lazy.
We have a good sense of humor I'm sure that's been established throughout the years, if you make good jokes about us we'll laugh and even respect you, but this guy is a known right winger and he's making these "jokes" that are clearly not really jokes.
Also he said later people took it out of context but I think context makes it worse, the context is that he said this stuff during an official event for an official candidate
“It was just a joke!”
Oh, I don’t get it. Can you explain to me what the joke is? Like, can you put into words why you find that funny?
I think it'd be subverting expectations. From the start you might think it's about the Pacific trash island that has collected there, but then it turns the other way and calls Puerto Rico a trash island. A decently funny joke imo, even if rude. I've seen the same joke being done about the UK and it did get a proper chuckle out of me.
The main difference is that the UK used to be powerful and did a lot of bad things to a lot of countries around the world. Puerto Rico on the other hand has always been weak so it feels weird for someone in a much more powerful area of the world to pick on them.
Good comedy can punch up, but very rarely works when punching down. Punching down is generally just bullying in disguise.
When punching up it's funny, punching down is called bullying
I think Anthony Jeselnik sums it up pretty well
https://youtu.be/4mCAl85hLkU?si=vwEMzE15kfHJMddV
Jeselnik is a class act. What's interesting to me is that the guy in the op, essentially has the same Roast style as Jeselnik. But the way they execute it is key.
I saw some of the ops bits from a comedy central roast, and they were really funny... But when you put him in the context of being at a trump rally wave saying stuff like this it's like "ohhh, you're not making subvertive jokes, you're just a bigot hiding behind 'comedy'"
It can be meaner but for a stand-up I think it could be fine, if the context is comedy and it didn't have genuine hatred behind it. In this case it's clear that it was used as a tool of hatred and not just for making a joke.
I don't think how places used to be plays any part in how funny insulting them is. Despite being as powerful as the UK when it was last relevant and worse, I think people would still be offended if he said Japan instead. "Always OK to hate colonizers" as someone put it my butt, the internet just really wants to make fun of France and not feel bad about it.
I would say it is fair to make fun of them as long as they themselves still glorify that past.
So you would say it's fair if he had said "It's called Japan" instead? They glorify their recent past as well.
I'm sure a lot of folks on SEA would heartily agree, especially Chinese and Koreans.
If by recent past you mean the genocides in their most recent wars with their neighbors then yes, I would say that would qualify them to be made fun of in that way. If you just mean some industrial successes in the 1980s, not so much.
And the president is Hugo Chavez 🇵🇪
I don't understand the joke because everybody knows the trash island (not an island btw, you cannot walk on it) is in the Pacific Ocean, and Puerto Rico is on the Atlantic Ocean, so it's inaccurate. I mean... geography is important, otherwise, you could do the joke with any island in the world and as a French, I would of course pick Great Britain.
(ok, that would be funny, then)
They can't vote, so why would they care? Easy targets, no apparent consequences.
Edit: /s
Except for the millions of Puerto Ricans that live in the Continental US.
Yeah I'm on board, I was attempting some mild satire.
If they don't live in Pennsylvania, Arizona or Nevada, they also don't count.
The conservative ones will just ignore this like always.
Puerto Ricans can and do move and there's large numbers of them in swing states. There's 450 thousand just in Pennsylvania
EDIT: also doesn't help that he also said
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/comedian-trump-rally-makes-racist-jokes-latinos-puerto-rico-rcna177514
Yeah, I was being mildly satirical. Insulting any people group seems like it should be a losing move. I wish it were.
Why the /s?
That's literally the point. Easy target, plus they're brown people i/e "Not Real Americans"
Bone stock Republican shit.
I guess in this case the /s is for satire.
"We're The Real Americans!" while flying the confederate flag.
Completely without irony. Absolutely destitute of self reflection.
You couldn’t invent a band of chucklefucks more capable at torpedoing a presidential campaign…and yet here we are, tied, with apparently no ability to sway any voters away from Trump. It’s so demoralizing.
They're just bullies.
Tony Hinchcliffe is not funny. Watched his podcast for a while then totally abandoned it because I realized I wasn't laughing during most episodes. It's mostly seasoned comics taking cheap shots at amateurs and then saying some racist shit while they all laugh and no one in the audience does. His nasally voice is annoying as fuck and hitching his wagon to the trump train seems pretty on brand for that fuckwit. His comedy brand caters to the same people who really like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones, both regulars on the podcast. Shocking I know.
Jfc, they're USA citizens. Ffs.
Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn't allowed to be it's own state
Downvoters somehow missing the point where Puerto Ricans are basically treated as second class citizens because of where they live. Puerto Rico should be it's own state already
They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.
American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.
It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it's own state already
I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe's Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?
I mean, it's not because they're Puerto Rican, it's because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
US citizens don't get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.
Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn't get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it's explicitly not a state.
implying that there are instances that aren't like this
Puerto Rican statehood is more complicated than that. Becoming a state is a contentious issue even amongst Puerto Ricans.
Is it?
I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they're in now
Yes it is. There is another referendum on statehood this year, but in 2020, the vote was only marginally higher in favor of it than against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
That speaks volumes.
Yes they really are. They are U.S. citizens who are disenfranchised based on location.
Yeah, maybe it wasn't entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can't vote becit of where they live
You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can't vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.
It doesn't matter what your ethnicity is.
You also can't vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.
I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories
It only makes sense in the context of the electoral college. But I think the electoral college should be gotten rid of via constitutional amendment and the president should be elected by popular vote. In that case, yes, they should be allowed to vote for president.
As it is now, there's no mechanism to assign electoral college votes to non-states.
This was like 4th grade shit for me my man.
The real joke is that the Trump campaign is tripping over itself now to disavow this message. Meanwhile it's come to light that this "comedian" was going to drop a c-bomb in his material in reference to Kamala, but the Trump campaign told him to remove it, and he complied.
Meaning they vetted the material and were a-fuckin'-ok with garbage island, only to later lie more and try to backpedal.
They're not even good at lying, kids.
Edit: spelling
I'm still baffled by the logic of having a roaster/crowd work guy doing a set at a convention. Like... he was gonna insult people and start shit. It's literally his job.
He's not my cup of tea, but he's been around and successful for a while now. He's not an unknown entity who they could claim acted unpredictable.
Eminem spoke at a Harris rally. But he's an adult who cares about people and expects as much from his government.
Did he throw shade at European-Americans?
I didn't watch because it's a republican political rally but he usually talks shit about other white people in the form of self deprecating humor in the shorts that get passed through my algorithm, so ... maybe? It doesn't help matters much though if he did, and it wouldn't be on the same level as calling the whole island trash.
Usually racial comedy can be fun when it takes advantage of knowledge of the in crowd. Like you couldn't really know to make fun of something unless you yourself were a fan of it. Like there are fun ways to joke around about cultures you love. He wasn't doing that.
is a "c-bomb" a cunt ?
Some people find that word to be too misogynistic to use as an epithet. I'm not quite sure where I stand on that myself, but I tend to avoid it overall.
In the context of the US, it most certainly is. Other places, maybe not so much.
I'm not British so I cannot use it in the proper manner. Literally the only demographic that can get away with it being an 8/10 on the Carlin index of offense terminology. If you aren't British it's pretty much a 10.
Last I saw they just claim it's just comedy and the left wing has no sense of humor
They'd absolutely hate shows like Brooklyn 99 because there aren't really any racist jokes, and it's too "woke" for them
Tony, Chapelle, and Joe Rogan are actively murdering comedy. They blame everyone but themselves because they can't get with the times. They look down on people and punch down constantly, and still manage to miss the mark. They are not down to earth, they are not relatable, and they should NOT be looked up to.
That's spot on.
If you look at actual funny people, they've worked out a way to do it without being heavily racist.
If you look at shows like Brooklyn 99, they did an amazing job at respecting everyone whilst being hilarious. The parts of this nonsense I saw, was just cringe. It seemed like they were trying more to advertise racism than going for humor, because even my mates are funnier and they're not professionals
It feels like they were probably surrounded by yes men their whole lives so have lost touch
They're absolutely terrified of Puerto Rican statehood, so they try to drive them away.
Little piss-baby cowards.
Reminds me of this classic greentext
This reminds me of when RTGame played Cities Skylines using a world map mod and made the island of Great Britain the landfill.
Piece of shit human trash calls Puerto Rico “trash”. Republicans are shit 💩
But... PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand how friendly they are) and relaxing days.
And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.
Yes, and ones who don't vote for these losers. That's what's got them butthurt. And the fact that they're a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I'm sure that also makes them seethe.
The main reason PR isn't a state is because Republicans are scared of how brown people would vote... and to a much greater extent, brown people in general.
Well Puerto Ricans are also of mixed opinions on whether they would even want to be a US state.
Everyone is of mixed opinions about everything, if they don't want to be a state they can be an independent nation with visa and passport rights.
Puerto Ricans don't vote for anybody. They don't have representation in Congress, and they have zero electoral votes because they aren't a state.
So, no, they're just butthurt because of racism, and Puerto Rico can't do anything about it because they don't have any representation.
They do if they move to any of the 50 states.
This was such a weird choice, when the GOP was already getting more Latino support than previously... Wouldn't they want to court these people? Why would they straight up insult an entire voting bloc (one that experts have said could decide the outcome) this close to an election??
I know it's most likely just racism and stupidity, but I couldn't help but think that this dude did this on purpose to get less people to vote Republican? I mean, why else would they do this?
I previously knew this dude from his name, as the guy who writes most people's (particularly non-comedians) insult jokes at Roasts. I'm kind of surprised (but not really, I believe he hangs/hung around Rogan) he's a Trump supporter given the type of material he's written in the past.
I'm not a fan of Roasts, but I'm pretty sure this dude was supposed to be considered like the best at that. At least previously.
Maybe someone who knows more about this guy can weigh in on it. It's probably just racism if I'm being real.
After the 2012 loss to Obama, the RNC commissioned an investigation into what they could do better. It said, effectively, stop being racist, embrace immigrants, and ease off on abortion.
They promptly threw it in the garbage.
He probably doesn't know that Puerto Ricans can vote in US elections.
And a lot of them have moved to one of the 50 states.
It is wild that there was any Latino support after the Haitian migrant lies.
All humans are trash. There's this misconception that poor people are better humans. They're not, they're just powerless.
In this case, if you take a person with almost nothing and tell them some with less is going to take what they have...
The joke only works if you understand that it's not true and that no one can obviously believe it.
If it's done where you and everyone thinks it's true, you're at a Klan rally or probably at the comedy mothership or something.
His "act" was only racist stuff. Republicans seems to believe decomplexed racism is comedy.
I have Republican acquaintances who still make Clinton/Lewinsky jokes. Actually funny comedy is not their forte.
You should hit 'em back with a joke about Watergate.
I guess Tammany Hall would be the wrong party.
The south is a single issue voting bloc.
That issue being the reinstitution of Jim Crow.
Well they can't vote for president. Unless the move to to the fifty states of confusion.
Right after Hurricane Irma hit Puerto Rico in 2017 I was at the local dount shop. All the local cofee drinker/maga's were there and this one POS was going on and on about how none of those filthy people were gonna come here and live off his tax dollars. It was so stupid that I laughed. This dipshit asked me with a swagger in his voice what was so funny. I informed him that any one of them could get on a plane and come to the US. As soon as they changed their drivers license address they could register to vote. One or two of his asshole buddies confirmed that it was true and he was simply floored. Flummoxed is the best way to describe him.
He reminded me of this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmvR0VkYuDs
Edit: changed a f to a r
I used to know someone who is half Puerto Rican, her dad is a marine, her mom is full PR. And they are ALL hardcore right wingers.
Even they wouldn't switch votes after this.
"Surely he didn't mean me, he meant those other sons of bitches who happen to look like me." - Idiots practicing idiot logic.
"Must have confused us with Mexicans again. Damn Mexicans!"
This is a PR nightmare.
Does someone else want to tell atempuser23?
Good thing there's only 5 million people who once lived in Puerto Rico in the 50 states and hundreds of thousands in Pennsylvania particularly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateside_Puerto_Ricans
1.7% nationally isn't much when spread out. I'm sure there are districts out there which are predominantly Puerto Rican, I just don't think they're a significantly large group.
Which is why I fully support making them a state and giving them due representation.
In a close election, any decent percentage matters and they are not spread out evenly at all. For instance, there are 500,000 in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania was won by only 42k in 2016
Plus a million in Florida - that can make the florida senate race a little more competitive. New York downballot races are a big part of why dems lost the house in 2022, and there's also around a million in New York
They should certainly have representation, yes, but that's not to say the Puerto Ricans in swing states / competitive downballot won't matter either
You know there's a significant Puerto Rican population in New York and Florida, right?
An estimated 5.8 million Hispanics of Puerto Rican origin lived in the United States in 2021
337 million in the US.
I wouldn't call 1.7% spread across 50 states significant.
1.7% is more than enough to flip some swing states. Most swing states.
And two in particular have more than an average number of Puerto Ricans.
So yeah, it matters.
They're not spread across 50 states, there are large population groups in PA, NY, and FL.
Because Puerto Ricans can't vote, right ?
Taxation without representation? There should be a thing about that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateside_Puerto_Ricans
Folks in Puerto Rico when they’re admitted as a state: “he tells it like it is.”
So is Donald Trump "presidential" yet? Trump will never get a bigger or better venue than Madison Square Garden between now and the election and THIS is the stupid shit he is going with.
How many jokes about Christians or conservatives did he do? Zero?! Why's that? Answer those questions.
This isn't even good racism. This is like, 2000s-era ironic racism. Which was about as funny as Holocaust jokes, and aged about as well as Anne Frank.
Where's the hateful, KKK, lynchmob racism? Don't just casually half ass it. Show your real murican colors. Y'all are living like American History X and you give us Wayne Brady on Chapelles Show.
Racists can not help themselves. If there's a MAGAt in your life, I can pretty much guarantee they'll say some hateful shit at some point...
MAGA maggot lmao
Why even say this? What a useless shitbag.
It doesn't matter. It won't compel any of these mouth-breathing, lazy bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL retards to go out and vote Democrat. Nothing will.
There are large number of Puerto Ricans in many swing states (+ important downballot races), and Republicans have been trying to court their vote. This isn't doing them any favors
Peurto Ricans by state
It doesn't even have to change minds all that much to matter. If any trump-leaning Puerto Ricans just don't turnout, it matters a lot
Of course I hope you are right, but if after the past decade and everything that has happened, that has been said, this election seems to be in a dead heat instead of Harris/Waltz winning by anything other than a landslide, I hold no illusions about the intelligence and decency of the "average" american voter, these people are already dead inside, or at least not too far removed from illiterate medieval peasants, easily dazzled by bullshit and god-kings with magic political wands... abraca-fucking-dabra.
I am not fan of Tony but I really love Shane Gillis. I loved the Trump and Biden(Shane and Adam) episode. It was the best comedy I've seen in quite a while.
Is that Tony of the show Kill Tony?
Oh god, so stupid
502 Bad Gateway...
Is that Kill Tony?
It's Tony Hinchcliffe at a recent MAGA rally in New York City.
Yup thats what he does… roast mfs! I dont understand how everyone on lemmy is losing their mind over 1 joke!
The context is important. Republicans are openly racists, and this is a rally for Donald Trump presidency. This isn't a badly lit comedy room
People who attend these events know who will be performing. Kill tony constantly brings black/hispanic comics on his show so Im very confused by what you are trying to say. All republicans are not racist.
Did you know you can interact with other races while still being racist?
Do you still believe that racism means that you actively are trying to kill another race?
He is openly bigoted, it's not an act. Just watch his show. When he is drunk it all comes out, including his self-hating for being gay
Its comedy but it sounds like you dont like that type of comedy. No one is being racist to people who willingly went to a show that kill tony would be on. Nothing I can do if it hurts your fragile feelings.
Comedy isn't a free pass to be a racist piece of shit.
For those that didn't know before that Tony Hinchliffe is a racist Republican, now they know and can choose for themselves what they want to do about that. You can go and suck Tony's dick.
It’s just a joke get over it!
Go ahead and paint me as triggered so you feel right lol
I love comedy that pushes the limits, but you can tell when there is real hate behind it. Racial jokes are some of the best, Shane Gillis does it in a way where you can tell he doesn't actually hate the target of the joke. Sometimes Tony does too, but then other times you see him essentially venting his anger at a group. Usually the jokes are improvised and horrible and obviously out of hatred. I watch tons of Kill Tony, I can send you examples if you want. Check him on Roast Battles when he shows up wasted and complains that trans people exist all night
"I am not racist because I have black friends". This is how you sound.
The presidential nominee for the GOP is openly racist, sexist and a fascist. By choosing DJT as a nominee, you cannot dissociate the rascim from the party. If you are still a member of the GOP and/or vote for Trump, at best, you enable racism.
So yeah, going to the GOP rally shitting on Puerto Ricans, you are most definitely racist.
How I sound to you maybe, but that doesnt matter. Remember all this over a joke… get over your self!
And it's still on a knifedge
Free Puerto Rico
*With purchase of regular-priced Puerto Rico
Yeah, we should just make it a state and throw in the Virgin Islands as well.
all the retarded takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?
What's the joke?
I think the joke was "I hate minorities, this is my unironic view! Race war now, if it aint white it's not right, white power!" which, is about as funny as a child with terminal illness, which is to say.. Not very funny at all, and is in fact quite a serious matter that should be taken as such.
Isn't even an original joke, the meme of trash island in the Atlantic is old as hell, Google "England" for more information.
I would like to know that. I would also like to know what the joke the same fuck told at the same event about black people carving Jack-o-Lanterns out of watermelons was.
I hope @[email protected] can enlighten us as to what both jokes are.
According to the modlog, his comment was about how “all the r-slur takes in this thread are why many people hate lemmy, and you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Hm. Doesn't sound like much of a joke to me.
i didn’t watch any of it, so i have no idea about the jack o lantern joke. but i did reply regarding the other one
That was the "joke." He said black people carve Jack-O-Lanterns out of watermelon instead of pumpkins.
Feel free to explain why that's funny and not just a racist saying something racist.
well, that’s a really shitty joke, if that even.
i don’t know why you’re expecting me to explain why it’s funny
This is you, right?
That's why I'm expecting you to explain it. You're the one excusing the guy.
excusing the guy isn’t synonymous with finding his jokes funny.
the guy is an entertainer putting on a show.
i can’t tell if you’re asking in earnest or not, but the joke is rooted in subversion of expectations. puerto rico has 29 landfills, all of which are way over capacity, so trash is currently building up.
presumably he’s pointing out an actual problem on the island, while also poking fun at them in an offensive way.
the exact same joke has been pulled about england for the past 20 years, albeit without pointing out any sanitation issue.
According to the modlog, they posted
“all the [r-slur] takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Yeah, that's great. What's the point of the moderator removing a comment if somebody like you is going to come along and repost it?
What’s the point of having a modlog that allows anyone to publicly see the comment that was removed?
The purpose was to show that they weren’t making some off-colored joke, as some suggested, but rather making a hateful statement in general. It was removed for violating rule 5. I censored out the slur, so if the mods want to remove my comment, they will. Feel free to ask them to do so.
Interesting. I can still see the comment.
I'm sure insulting puerto rico will really help ðeir ambition of winning ð state wið ð largest population of puerto ricans outside ð island itself!
Whatcha typing there buddy? TH isn't good enough for you?
NO IT ISN'T! Launches into multiparagraph long rant about ð importation of ð Gutenberg press mid GVS ruined English spelling to a similar extent to Thai and Tibetan spelling
I'm not one of the people who downvoted you. I like your passion. But maybe this is one of those things we can deal with after we've got a handle on climate change.
Yes please
Probably, but Imma do my þing anyways until ðen. I'm not pushing ð change institutionally by a longshot, just writing to my own sense of jollies.
I, too, have unskipable cutscenes over my special interests.
Also, Revive the Thorn/Thurs!
Interesting. Curious – beyond the historical linguistic context, do you find yourself using ðis style because you're deeply passionate about these language quirks, or is it also a way to make your writing stand out? Or perhaps it's a bit of boð, or something different?
I guess you could argue that using ð and þ like OP does makes English spelling clearer.
Right now, the digraph TH can make two different sounds (the sound in thy and the sound in thigh), and if a reader comes across a word or name they don't know (like Athena or Mathers), there's no way for them to know which TH sound it uses.
Using ð for the thy sound and þ for the thigh sound (which is what OP is doing) makes it clearer.
But how does that fix the other 99% of English spelling that is equally broken?
Why would it need to fix everything else? How could a single digraph swap fix any other issue than the one it is trying to address?
The point is that spelling and pronunciation in English are basically so different they might as well be two completely different languages so why bother with that one thing in particular?
I genuinely just do it because I find writing ðis way fun, and þink ð letters should make a comeback (along wið a host of oðer orþographic reforms viewable in my profile).
Not like I'm going out of my way to force oðers to use ðem ðough, so ð sheer vitriol I've caught for it has honestly made me double down over ð belief ðat people so devoted to ð status quo as to become enraged over a goddamned letter should spend ðeir lives mad about it until all ðat wasted anger kills ðem.
Are you not the one fighting to go back to the previous status quo? Are you not the one fighting change, something that language naturally goes through over time? What is your problem with change? Why do you want to make communication more difficult than it already is?
The only reason English abandonned the letters ð and þ is because we switched to using the French alphabet. I'm not sure I would describe that as natural change.
I'm not fighting for shit but my own right to write as I please wiðout being accosted for it as if ð þorn was used to anally rape someone's moðer.
"as if o porn was used to anally rape someone's mooer"
I see.
Speaking for Americans, we absolutely have the right to publish anything legal on any infrastructure that allows it.
It's quirky, and I am pretty quirky myself. Still, I would copy and paste one or two of your sentences into some language model to be sure I fully understood you.
A gentle request for clarity in your communications might be appropriate if one deems it prudent. Vitriol is a little over the line - the style is certainly not offensive. To address the specific wording on your point about rights, we would probably agree freedom from criticism is not a right, though we would also agree that extreme attacks are unnecessary.
::: spoiler more blah blah
I have visited a couple of forums over the years whose rules included English only. Each time, the rule was for the benefit of the community. Hey, I just had an idea: text in a spoiler tag could be used to hide a little glossary, so everyone would know the modern spellings of the old-school words you used. Or, if it's easier, simply copying the message a second time and using modern spellings would be another way to facilitate clear interpretations. Nobody is going to be struck by lightning or anything for not writing in a way that every human will immediately understand. But it does seem like this happy middle ground where you start by promoting your preferred syntax before respectfully appending a “translation” as this little olive branch of clarity.
We probably write in our journals for ourselves while we write on here for other community members, so taking the feedback you mention you’ve received into account is ostensibly a courtesy.
(not a mod, $0.02 only!)
:::
(I'm sorry but I'm dying to know, whats up with 'ð' ?)
I think it's a thorne, which used to stand for "th."
When printing was new they used to substitute Ys for them, hence Ye Old Shoppe.
It's ð letter which represents ð soft 'th' sound ð way þ represents ð hard version. Like B and P but if we had just accepted representing boþ wið an fh for some reason.
You've got þat backwards... Þorne is þe unvoiced letter, as in þem or boþ, whereas eð is þe voiced, as in faðer.
Source: A semester of Old West Norse language class (wherein þorne and eð are used in the same way as in English).
Old English was never consistent about the difference between thorn (þorn) and eth (eð), and they were used interchangeably in English writing.
(Unlike Icelandic, where þ is consistently the unvoiced sound and ð is the voiced sound.)
...I get what you're saying but..."þem"? You pronounce ðat unvoiced?
Where am I right now?
At one of the many crossroads in your life where you have to decide whether to commit violence or maintain inner peace.
Þink þis depends on dialect, because boþ sound correct to me.
Edit: added more þorns
Fair enough
You all are thirsty for hate god damn. leave them alone they are not doing anything wrong.
Wow, I can't believe ðere are so many people here who would downvote someone just for using variant orþography. SMH.
yeah those people would not survive in ma pona pi toki pona. tons of variant orthography there
Would not survive in ?
You can learn to read and write þat fluently in about 5 days
People need to lighten up. I heard his full set and it was hilarious and very tongue in cheek
Edit: spelling
I think it's up to the race he's going after to decide if this is offensive or not. And we Latinos agree it's offensive. Mainly because it's not funny it's just thinly veiled jokes used to push his real beliefs. And his "jokes" are lame and lazy. We have a good sense of humor I'm sure that's been established throughout the years, if you make good jokes about us we'll laugh and even respect you, but this guy is a known right winger and he's making these "jokes" that are clearly not really jokes.
Also he said later people took it out of context but I think context makes it worse, the context is that he said this stuff during an official event for an official candidate
If you saw the whole thing, he threw everyone under the bus. That's his dark humor - He's a roasting comedian after all
He's a speaker at a political rally. The setting makes a difference.
For all in tents and porpoises, I don't think you know what that is supposed to mean.
I am currently in a different kind of marine mammal, should I be paying attention ?
(checks modlog) nah, you’re good to go
Tf is young in cheak
It was Trump's favorite menu item when staying on Epstein's island.
Lmao
"Tongue in cheek" as interpreted by someone very uneducated.
Does it has more jokes that aren't "here's list of people I don't like"?