I mean that only seems like it'd be true if oil isn't involved, since running water over something coated with oil seems like it'd do pretty much nothing
Through the power of not letting the oil set, and using a rag or brush with warm to hot water, you will be surprised just how little to no soap you need at all.
Fwiw I'm not cleaning greasy ass pans regularly either. We're too poor for that lol.
I don't think that salad bought in a store should have bugs and dirt on it, if you find them in your sink when you wash it you should change supermarket
EDIT:
My bad, I was thinking about pre packaged salad, not like a whole head of lettuce, OP is correct and OOP should wash their lettuce better
They're definitely washed after being harvested, but as someone who has seen how it's stored between that and the store shelves, I'll give it a rinse every time.
You might be thinking of pre-packaged salad which, while already washed, can still contain bacteria. But if you’re buying plain lettuce, it’s absolutely not pre-washed.
Ah, you're right I was thinking about the pre packaged one, now all the people telling me they have found multiple bugs in their lettuce makes sense considering I would probably expect to find small bugs and dirt in a whole head of lettuce
Lettuce grows in a bundle of very tightly packed leaves. At no part in the growing - transport - shelving - selling chain can anyone be expected to thoroughly wash between the leaves, especially near the root. Rinse your veggies before using.
And that's for iceberg lettuce. Romain and it's kind have loose leafs so a ton gets in there. Bok Choi too, I cook with it a lot and I see a bit of dirt in there all the time. I always give my veggies a good rinse.
I don't know where you live but I'm in Australia and I also lived in South America and I've seen plenty of dirt, caterpillars, aphids and flies too many times on my lettuce, harvested from different sources, seasons, and purchased from different supermarket chains and small grocer shops.
And it was never a problem for me. Where are you getting your sterile lettuce from, so I make sure I don't?
I've been using Original Commenter (OC) to talk about the person who starts a comment thread. Seems to be pretty intuitive. Wonder what the acronym would be for commenters responding to OC and starting different comment branches. Probably makes sense to just use their name
I feel like OP can be used to mean either the original thread poster or the author of a branching comment, granted that it's properly contextualized, e.g. multiple layers of O lol. It's awkward, but it gets the point across.
Only because you don't like the color, or maybe the texture of dirt? We wash off dirt because it's dirty, and dirty things aren't good for us (because of bacteria...).
Also because gritty lettuce makes a salad I don't eat. Spinach is the worst . . . plus it seems to have Listeria from time to time . . . 3.2 second wash minimum
The correct answer is 9/12 pesticides are removed by Simple rinsing with water. Detergents do not improve results compared to mechanical removal via rinsing for 30 seconds.
At a minimum rinse all fresh produce under tap water for at least thirty seconds.
The mechanical action of rubbing the produce under tap water is likely responsible for removing pesticide residues.
Personally I wouldn't call mechanical action of rubbing to be rinsing. I would have liked to see the % removed, but skimming that article I didn't see. Also in my experience people don't rub for 30 literal seconds, the people I watch are lucky to break 5 seconds.
But the main point I want to make is that baking soda is a base that breaks down the pesticide.
Liang [4] studied the removal of five organophosphorus pesticides in raw cucumber with home preparation, and the research results show that washing by tap water for 20 min only caused a pesticides reduction of 26.7–62.9%. Sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate solution caused a pesticides reduction of 66.7–98.9%.
The removal efficiency of other washing solutions outperformed the tap water; tap water washing only caused a 10–40% loss of the 10 pesticides, and the AlEW, micron calcium, and active oxygen solution caused a 40–90% loss of the 10 pesticides.
AIEW being alkaline electrolyzed water, which I understand to be baking soda.
AlEW was not the baking soda, it's a separate thing if I understood it correctly.
Additionally you're complaining that nobody rinses their food for 30 seconds while expecting them to bathe it in high ph water for 45 minutes??
Furthermore they were comparing it not with rinsing and running but rather just soaking it in water for 20 minutes.
And despite all that card stacking water still was 69% removal at its high range, which overlaps significantly with the low range of the chemical baths.
Oh you're right looks like AIEW and sodium bicarbonate are different, but they are in the same tree.
Pesticides in cucumber were more easily removed by alkaline solutions, such as AlEW, micron calcium, and sodium bicarbonate solution, compared
Other info:
Among these washing processing methods, 2% sodium bicarbonate solution and ozone water caused 20–40% more loss of the 10 pesticides than tap water.
the order of the removal effects of 10 pesticides in spinach by washing with detergent solution was as follows: ozone water and active oxygen solution > micron calcium solution >AlEW (pH 12.35) and sodium bicarbonate solution > AlEW (pH 10.50) > tap water. These washing methods are two to four times as effective as tap water.
You don't have to "bathe" your produce (which conjures up imagery of scrubbing the whole time), you just let it sit afaik. There is a planning factor, but I can plan ahead and let it soak. Takes no more time.
You're comparing high range of one (water) with low range baking soda (which you call chemical bath), when there are massive ranges? That (along with misleading terms) is bad faith discussion there. So ciao.
It's a chemical bath because there are various chemicals that they're using to bathe them. I was lumping ozone bath, sodium bicarb bath and AlEW bath together and they're all 3 different chemicals.
It's a bath because they're being bathed which has nothing to do with scrubbing.
AlEW bath is 48–85% after 45 minutes at a PH of 12
Refrigeration was 60.9–90.2%. A 20 minute water bath was 26.7–62.9%.
My advice is, and always was, scrub your veggies for 30 seconds before use.
Your advice is plan it out so that you've got a high PH solution that you leave your veggies in for 45 minutes before use.
If you see those as equal I have no idea how. I cook all the time - the amount of times that I've got 45 minutes of prep before starting is next to 0. I can't eat at 9pm every night because I spent an hour waiting around for veggies to purify when I can simply wash them off in the sink.
It's insane that you wont see reason, but I get that you've decided you're right and can never change your mind.
It's not 45 minutes of prep, you're still talking as if you're scrubbing working on it the whole time. IF you have the option before you need it, you go stick it in the solution. And you don't need to sit there staring at it, you go do something else, you prep something else, again IF you have option before you need it.
And it's not 45 minutes or bust, the longer it goes the more you get. The first study mentioned was based on 20 minutes. These are diminishing returns with time, so I expect 10-15 minutes will get you a ton.
Your advice is plan it out so that you’ve got a high PH solution that you leave your veggies in for 45 minutes before use.
And to address your strawman, which I thought the options were so blindingly obvious that I didn't bother stating: If you don't have that planning option, yes you can scrub the hell out of it but know that will get off far, far, far less. That was the whole point.
You are the one that won't admit that you are wrong when the data is right there. You have to change it to you don't have time and strawmans. Inb4 your next round, you can say I overspoke in my first comment, more accurately: "They’ve studied that and it doesn’t get rid of [much/most] pesticides." Why do I bother with such bad faith. Ciao.
Err, your immune system can cope with a bit of bacteria. But if you don't wash your salad and get a massive load into yourself, your body will deal with it by extorting everything in your stomach. E.g. you'll puke the entire night. You're welcome.
When you rinse salad with water you are not cleaning a significant amount of bacteria off it. You're getting soil and bugs.
Unless your salad is contaminated with something, not washing it will at worst be gritty and unpleasant. It won't make you ill. If it does, washing it will make no difference.
What do you even mean? Obviously, you are washing off all the bacteria that is in the soil and the bugs. It doesn't make it sterile, but rinsing makes the overall amout of bacteria significantly lower....
There are customers visiting my company. I was washing my hand in the bathroom sink when one of them, after doing his business, put his left hand behind, opened the faucet with the right, wet his fingers, closed the faucet, and left. Disgusting piece of shit.
I understand the idea of removing the basic dirt and grim that could still be left on the surface of the lettuce. But the idea that running the vegetable under the water has any help in sterilizing it has to be pseudoscience. Too many adults have this mentality that washing produce purchased from the grocery store drastically reduces your chance of food born illness. If your food is contaminated with harmful microscopic organisms in a food outbreak. I doubt washing it is going to change much.
I am not against the actual act itself. It's more the mindless routine many people partake and advocate for without questioning it in the first place. It's more a lack of critical thinking and understanding of the general public. Which I know is a criticism that goes well beyond this simple act.
Why would you expect tap water to kill bacteria?
You’re washing bugs and dirt off.
Its also wash out bacteria.
The mechanical action of water running and wiping is what takes out 90% of germs and bacteria already. Soap is only responsible for that next 9%.
There's still 1% unless you autoclave it.
Tldr: You probably don't need soap for dishes if you wash them during initial rinse immediately after use and they aren't super gross.
You still want to wash and soap your hands cause 10% of cold germs is plenty.
Also quit licking your fingers to open the plastic bags for produce at the store you filthy fucks.
Username checks tf out.
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I mean that only seems like it'd be true if oil isn't involved, since running water over something coated with oil seems like it'd do pretty much nothing
Through the power of not letting the oil set, and using a rag or brush with warm to hot water, you will be surprised just how little to no soap you need at all.
Fwiw I'm not cleaning greasy ass pans regularly either. We're too poor for that lol.
the belief that a quick 3 second rinse will kill off bacteria seems to be consistent with the ways that most people try to wash their hands
No I'm not!
I don't think that salad bought in a store should have bugs and dirt on it, if you find them in your sink when you wash it you should change supermarket
EDIT: My bad, I was thinking about pre packaged salad, not like a whole head of lettuce, OP is correct and OOP should wash their lettuce better
They're definitely washed after being harvested, but as someone who has seen how it's stored between that and the store shelves, I'll give it a rinse every time.
You might be thinking of pre-packaged salad which, while already washed, can still contain bacteria. But if you’re buying plain lettuce, it’s absolutely not pre-washed.
Ah, you're right I was thinking about the pre packaged one, now all the people telling me they have found multiple bugs in their lettuce makes sense considering I would probably expect to find small bugs and dirt in a whole head of lettuce
I feel that they still spray it with water, even if not thoroughly, just to remove the biggest pieces of dirt. But I may be wrong.
Bro people poop in the fields because they literally just don't have time to go back to the restroom in between shifts of picking
And I don't blame them in the slightest. They have a very hard job
So I don't know about you but I will always be washing any produce that I buy at the grocery store as soon as I bring it in my house
Used to work at a supermarket. We would hide the poop behind the cheese section so it wouldn't stink
Lettuce grows in a bundle of very tightly packed leaves. At no part in the growing - transport - shelving - selling chain can anyone be expected to thoroughly wash between the leaves, especially near the root. Rinse your veggies before using.
And that's for iceberg lettuce. Romain and it's kind have loose leafs so a ton gets in there. Bok Choi too, I cook with it a lot and I see a bit of dirt in there all the time. I always give my veggies a good rinse.
Bugs mean fresh and no pesticides!
BUGS GOOD!
It’s like finding soil on your tubers. It’s better to have to wash it off.
Also, unwashed potatoes will last longer, as water causes fungus and bacteria to grow.
I don't know where you live but I'm in Australia and I also lived in South America and I've seen plenty of dirt, caterpillars, aphids and flies too many times on my lettuce, harvested from different sources, seasons, and purchased from different supermarket chains and small grocer shops.
And it was never a problem for me. Where are you getting your sterile lettuce from, so I make sure I don't?
Even pre packaged, check the package to confirm if you need to clean it or not
Yeah, we know...
That's literally me, that's who you made fun of.
Do you feel bed yet?
I wish I was in bed.
I've been using Original Commenter (OC) to talk about the person who starts a comment thread. Seems to be pretty intuitive. Wonder what the acronym would be for commenters responding to OC and starting different comment branches. Probably makes sense to just use their name
OC already means Original Content so at best you will just be confusing people.
Oof yeah true
I feel like OP can be used to mean either the original thread poster or the author of a branching comment, granted that it's properly contextualized, e.g. multiple layers of O lol. It's awkward, but it gets the point across.
Who rinses things to remove bacteria? I just want to remove dirt.
We tell ourselves these lies, as we fear the truth.
Only because you don't like the color, or maybe the texture of dirt? We wash off dirt because it's dirty, and dirty things aren't good for us (because of bacteria...).
Eating a little bit of dirt probably won't hurt you, but it is unpleasant.
Also because gritty lettuce makes a salad I don't eat. Spinach is the worst . . . plus it seems to have Listeria from time to time . . . 3.2 second wash minimum
Both the texture and whatever may be in it are undesirable.
You wash because of the pesticides.
Also the bugs, fecal matter, and dirt that can be in the folds and pockets.
Ok, but what about the
saladlettuce?We are talking about washing lettuce, prior to it becoming a salad.
Sorry, but I wanted to make a stupid "switcharoo" kind of joke that would imply a significant lack of personal hygiene on my part.
In German salad also means lettuce, so that's why it wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be.
You tried to make a joke, right here in front of my salad?
I always wash the fecal matter in my pockets very carefully - glad to hear my personal hygiene is passable.
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You wash it because of the ratlungworm that raw snail and slug can give you.
Oh fuuuuck. Nature is crazy 😬
Shit like this is why I don't believe there's a god
They've studied that and it doesn't get rid of pesticides.
To get rid of pesticides you need to immerse it in a baking soda solution for about 20 minutes.
They've studied it and you're wrong
https://portal.ct.gov/caes/fact-sheets/analytical-chemistry/removal-of-trace-pesticide-residues-from-produce
The correct answer is 9/12 pesticides are removed by Simple rinsing with water. Detergents do not improve results compared to mechanical removal via rinsing for 30 seconds.
Personally I wouldn't call mechanical action of rubbing to be rinsing. I would have liked to see the % removed, but skimming that article I didn't see. Also in my experience people don't rub for 30 literal seconds, the people I watch are lucky to break 5 seconds.
But the main point I want to make is that baking soda is a base that breaks down the pesticide.
AIEW being alkaline electrolyzed water, which I understand to be baking soda.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6388112
AlEW was not the baking soda, it's a separate thing if I understood it correctly.
Additionally you're complaining that nobody rinses their food for 30 seconds while expecting them to bathe it in high ph water for 45 minutes??
Furthermore they were comparing it not with rinsing and running but rather just soaking it in water for 20 minutes.
And despite all that card stacking water still was 69% removal at its high range, which overlaps significantly with the low range of the chemical baths.
I'll keep rinsing and running, thanks.
Oh you're right looks like AIEW and sodium bicarbonate are different, but they are in the same tree.
Other info:
You don't have to "bathe" your produce (which conjures up imagery of scrubbing the whole time), you just let it sit afaik. There is a planning factor, but I can plan ahead and let it soak. Takes no more time.
You're comparing high range of one (water) with low range baking soda (which you call chemical bath), when there are massive ranges? That (along with misleading terms) is bad faith discussion there. So ciao.
It's a chemical bath because there are various chemicals that they're using to bathe them. I was lumping ozone bath, sodium bicarb bath and AlEW bath together and they're all 3 different chemicals.
It's a bath because they're being bathed which has nothing to do with scrubbing.
AlEW bath is 48–85% after 45 minutes at a PH of 12
Refrigeration was 60.9–90.2%. A 20 minute water bath was 26.7–62.9%.
My advice is, and always was, scrub your veggies for 30 seconds before use.
Your advice is plan it out so that you've got a high PH solution that you leave your veggies in for 45 minutes before use.
If you see those as equal I have no idea how. I cook all the time - the amount of times that I've got 45 minutes of prep before starting is next to 0. I can't eat at 9pm every night because I spent an hour waiting around for veggies to purify when I can simply wash them off in the sink.
It's insane that you wont see reason, but I get that you've decided you're right and can never change your mind.
It's not 45 minutes of prep, you're still talking as if you're
scrubbingworking on it the whole time. IF you have the option before you need it, you go stick it in the solution. And you don't need to sit there staring at it, you go do something else, you prep something else, again IF you have option before you need it.And it's not 45 minutes or bust, the longer it goes the more you get. The first study mentioned was based on 20 minutes. These are diminishing returns with time, so I expect 10-15 minutes will get you a ton.
And to address your strawman, which I thought the options were so blindingly obvious that I didn't bother stating: If you don't have that planning option, yes you can scrub the hell out of it but know that will get off far, far, far less. That was the whole point.
You are the one that won't admit that you are wrong when the data is right there. You have to change it to you don't have time and strawmans. Inb4 your next round, you can say I overspoke in my first comment, more accurately: "They’ve studied that and it doesn’t get rid of [much/most] pesticides." Why do I bother with such bad faith. Ciao.
Probably depends a lot on the pesticides and therefore country...
Thank you. I thought that pesticides wouldn't come off with simple rinsing.
Except most of them do - https://portal.ct.gov/caes/fact-sheets/analytical-chemistry/removal-of-trace-pesticide-residues-from-produce
Awesome! Looks like rinsing and 30 second rubbing is the way to go. Thank you.
Go up to see my comment responding to him.
it is too late i have moved on
Bodies are pretty OK with dietary bacteria. Same goes for dirt, bugs, and Will Arnett.
Is ... Is that Will Arnett?? Or am I missing the joke?? It doesn't look like him to me.
This is Mark Hoppus from Blink-182
Thank you. Guess I'm just missing the joke lol
I think OP and I just have the same issue with similar looking faces, because I also thought this was Gob from Arrested Development.
This is Mark Hoppus from blink-182
I've made a huge mistake
It's mark hoppus from blink-182
Oh damn, you’re right! I skimmed past thinking it was one of these lol
Yeah no idea who that is in OP
Ha bacteria! It's not the water you should be worried about.
It's the quart gallon of vodka I wash it down with each night, as I try to blot out my existence.
Fuck you bacteria (and my liver), I WIN!
If you really think about it your liver is just a massive collection of bacteria
The level of idiocy needed to think that the reason you rinse it is to kill bacteria is disturbing to imagine.
Err, your immune system can cope with a bit of bacteria. But if you don't wash your salad and get a massive load into yourself, your body will deal with it by extorting everything in your stomach. E.g. you'll puke the entire night. You're welcome.
When you rinse salad with water you are not cleaning a significant amount of bacteria off it. You're getting soil and bugs.
Unless your salad is contaminated with something, not washing it will at worst be gritty and unpleasant. It won't make you ill. If it does, washing it will make no difference.
What do you even mean? Obviously, you are washing off all the bacteria that is in the soil and the bugs. It doesn't make it sterile, but rinsing makes the overall amout of bacteria significantly lower....
Yes I suppose that's true.
Clearly you haven't heard of rat lungworm.
Sure, if you live somewhere with parasitic worms you should take extra care. Still, you aren't cleaning bacteria off anything with water.
u a science man/woman?
Who spunks on a salad?
Men of culture (bacterial)
Horus for one
How about a pile?
Yeah I just don't like the feel of dirt grit and bugs in my teeth.
Yeah I wash my vegetables for grit. I don't even care that much about bugs, but even the slightest amount of grit is terrible.
I don't know if this is effective, my wife soak the veggies in baking powder/baking soda, I forgot which. She said it kills bugs. Who am I to argue.
Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate. Dissolving it in water will increase its pH. I'm not sure if that works for killing bacteria.
You're thinking of vinegar. Soak them in vinegar.
Here’s me raw dogging my salads.
There are customers visiting my company. I was washing my hand in the bathroom sink when one of them, after doing his business, put his left hand behind, opened the faucet with the right, wet his fingers, closed the faucet, and left. Disgusting piece of shit.
I see this every time I go to a public bathroom. I fucking hate people for it
🎶 "All these, microscopically small things, worms shaped, like rings, inside, my gut, shoot-ing, from my butt" 🎶
🎶 "Norovirus sucks" 🎶
🎶 "I know" 🎶
It probably doesn’t do much, but I soak it in water with vinegar for 10 minutes.
I assume the ratio is low enough on the vinegar that it doesn't impact the taste?
Can't imagine it would hurt anything if it doesn't affect the texture.
Yup, 2-3 teaspoons in a bowl of water. I rinse it with water again after soaking and that washes away any sourness left behind.
You can also use a few drops of bleach.
You should clarify that you have to use a particular kind of bleach heavily diluted, and that it's only common practice in the Americas.
Plenty of salad dressings are just hopped up vinegars anyway.
Yall are crazy. You're literally like 10 pounds of bacteria. 😁
I mean, if you want to include e.coli to your 10 pounds of bacteria, be my guest. Taking some precautions doesn't hurt.
If you can't scrub every lettuce leaf with borax before you eat it, you don't even deserve a salad.
I understand the idea of removing the basic dirt and grim that could still be left on the surface of the lettuce. But the idea that running the vegetable under the water has any help in sterilizing it has to be pseudoscience. Too many adults have this mentality that washing produce purchased from the grocery store drastically reduces your chance of food born illness. If your food is contaminated with harmful microscopic organisms in a food outbreak. I doubt washing it is going to change much.
I am not against the actual act itself. It's more the mindless routine many people partake and advocate for without questioning it in the first place. It's more a lack of critical thinking and understanding of the general public. Which I know is a criticism that goes well beyond this simple act.
She'll be right