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lemmy.world

So many of those are not even English words lol

Yeah of course people are gonna mispronounce surprise French and ancient Greek words

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Zwiebelreply
feddit.org

No no I'm pronouncing the french words correctly, it's the Brits who are wrong

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I only recognize proto-indo-european pronunciations.

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fedia.io

What is "English" though? The English language is mish-mash or Norse, French, Latin, Greek, Danish, Spanish, and their old versions. It's why it's so difficult to get pronunciation right.

Look at the etymology of the majority of English words and it'll be "middle english from anglo-french" or "old english from ancient greek" or something.

Some languages have diverged very little from their origins like Icelandic which allows reading 12th century texts without much difficulty, while others are barely distinguishable from their origins due to loans words, forced changes due to e.g royalty, invasion, and so on.

I'm sure a linguist could dive way more into depth, but "not English words" is the equivalent of "not a true Scotsman".

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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." --James D. Nicoll

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reddthat.com

My favorite part of this is the list of mishmash you use doesn’t reference German, as English structure is Germanic.

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Indeed. It does cement my point further of just what a jumble of languages English is.

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sopuli.xyz

"Apparently, George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) was fond of pointing out the absurdities of English spelling by proving that "fish" could be spelled "ghoti", That is, gh as in rough, o as in women and ti as in palatial"

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lemmy.world

I still think about how my Cuban former coworker pronounced Popeye the Sailor as poh-pee-yay

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One of Pablo Escobar’s lieutenants was nicknamed Popeye. When i first heard it pronounced in spanish I was so confused. To make it even funnier, here in Medellin y’s are pronounced like j’s so here his name is Poh-pay-jay.

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fedia.io

Squirrel is a fun one depending upon the speaker's original language.

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Find a friend who is bilingual in the opposite languages as you. So for me a Spanish native that speaks English. Then you can correct each other’s fuck ups on pronunciation. That’s what me and my buddies do. It helps a lot for words you’ve only ever seen written.

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lemm.ee

"us ESL folks" as if there's only two language families on earth 🙄🙄

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