Can't really make apps for a site that doesn't have an API. They did announce recently that Kbin's API is nearly done, so soon there'll be a flood of Kbin apps as well, and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps too
Yeah I suppose not all of them will want to commit to supporting Kbin, but some definitely will. Honestly though, so long as it's possible to search for and subscribe to Kbin magazines from Lemmy, that's all I really care about.
I'm so so looking forward to sync, and it gives me a lot of hope seeing all of these apps and fancy UI's, it's reassuring that the fediverse is here to stay and will continue to grow
The thing is, when an app does only 1 thing, it's easy to make sure it does that thing well. It's going to be a lot of work to support so many different API's, keep them updated, and provide a good UI/UX.
Yeah. Take the state of game emulation for example. Yes, Retroarch DOES have like 500 emulator """cores""", all of which can be configured from a single general purpose UI and using a single input layer.
But holy shit does hat UI and input configuration SUCK DONKEY BALLS.
My Anbernic is very happy running 80% of its consoles though it. But I do wish there was something better looking when I have the actual emulation layer running.
This is why Lemmy's tangential features, such as being able to post from Mastodon accounts, or being able to post to that video service, are also not going to happen any time soon. It's just a lot of moving pieces, for functionality that's more interesting than useful.
I don't, it's not that much more work as the basics of it won't change that much over time and the functionality will be near identical. We might not get newer features that are eventually added though.
You can install the kbin interface as a PWA on mobile, and it works pretty well. There are some kinks for sure, but it's 100% usable and better than lemmy.
I was thinking of making my first attempt at an android app a kbin app because of the lack of options, but their documentation (while done really well so far) isn't fleshed out yet.
Lemmy's Documentation is very confusing to me as someone still learning to program (does it get better when you are more experienced???), but it's definitely a lot more fleshed out, so that's why I'm attempting to make just another Lemmy client looool
Hi, currently three years into a job title that indicates I program for a living (it sounds more like I'm a manager). I do Python professionally and work on learning C. It... it kinds gets worse, if you go this far, but you're more able to handle it.
I was introduced to remote debugging a few weeks ago. I had heard of it and it sounded neat, but it's so much better than I could possibly have imagined.
It's not 3rd party app developers fault that kbin didn't have any stable api yet. Now that they fast track the api development, I think we can expect more 3rd party apps coming soon.
It's on the internet, it exists to be modified. Tis the law.
With that said, if I heard that, I'd either do things low profile or I'd not do it at all, because at any point the devs can just intentionally ruin whatever you use to make your app work. And low profile isn't an option, RiF's dev will always have at least a couple hundred who will try whatever they make, day 1. In their shoes, I would contact the Tildes dev directly and ask where we stand, then go forward with blessing, or leave.
I'm about to launch a Lemmy app (by Monday, my friend yelled at me when he found out I'd been using it exclusively for weeks without putting up a beta), and kbin support is on my to-do list.
Frankly, I started using Lemmy, saw this could be the thing I've been waiting for, and decided the edges were too rough. So I made the app I always wanted for Reddit with the goal of using multiple servers, multiple accounts seamlessly. My guiding philosophy is making the client into another layer of federation,
I checked out the kbin docs and I can probably knock it out in a couple days, I've got abstraction layers to handle different versions and forks of Lemmy... Head over to ![email protected] and let me know this is something people want and I'll put it higher on the priority list
Artemis developer said they're gonna public source the code soonand their app supports both Lemmy and Kbin, which might help you with Kbin support. Just a suggestion, I know nothing about how code works, though.
If you add support for kbin, you'll probably going to add support for kbin's microblogging feature. If you added support for kbin's microblogging, might as well add mastodon support. Heck, might as well add pixelfed support to the mix, why not? Voila, now you have a super federated app.
Whoever ends up doing so should set up the interface so that Lemmy posts are blue and kbin posts green, that way Lemmy users can downvote us and call us poor.
You could hack that into most lemmy clients right now, with either a manual kbin list or one automatically populated by querying the instances api directly.
I recommend forking liftoff and calling it lMessage, l for liftoff or lemmy, and message because now you can message all those pesky kbin users that they should bin their kbin and join a real instance
The catch here being that integration between them is somewhat limited. Mastodon displays Lemmy posts as Mastodon posts, with the communities being their own accounts. Not the best system. Lemmy can’t access Mastodon posts at all(AFAIK). Interaction between Lemmy and Kbin often also leaves out lots of information.
personally it is kinda superior to Jerboa, since it has a feature that is my favourite: keyword filter, but also i can browse instances that can be defederated from each other, all the fediverse in one app: could even browse hexbear.net (which is not federated with anyone yet), kbin.social, ..all on the app (and can browse instances as a guest without an account, which makes things way eaiser. unlimited block list. no bugs. it was suggested to me and i keep suggesting it for others since i didnt regret using it.
Working hard on it! Can’t wait for API to go live to make it widely available.
I wrote an API adapter layer to be able to support both kbin and lemmy in the app. Want to open source that as a package, so hopefully more apps can easily add support for both 🤞
For me it's mostly just that it supports kbin and the design because I never got to use Apollo as an android user, and it's supposed to be at least extremely similar design wise (from what I've heard)
There are plenty of rough edges that apps are able to buff out that a browser cannot.
I use plenty of things in a browser, but if I'm gonna scroll something daily... I want that image viewer with tap slide zoom. I want that specific folder that the app saves shit to instead of just "downloads". etc. etc.
Having a dedicated app is just more convenient in most cases. And apps generally offer more features and QoL improvements compared to a site. After using memmy for about a month I can’t use the official site, especially on mobile.
The clunky interface, the relative differences from reddit, the confusing organization, the less than ideal splitting between blog/thread/magazine that makes navigating it have an extra learning curve, the lack of any apps that aren't just a pwa that has the same flaws as the site, the fact that there's really only one server for kbin that's used, the list goes on.
And I like kbin, I hope it thrives and becomes popular enough that nobody ever has to consider a corporate run site again because there's multiple federated options.
But, just being real, lemmy is simpler and easier to use, and it's closer to the way reddit worked. Kbin is trying to be more than a link aggregator and forum. That's great! If that's what you're looking for, it's even better. But most of the r/efugees were and are looking for something familiar and comfortable. With kbin not having an API, app developers weren't jumping into it (other than hariette, and she's kick ass) so the r/efugees that were at least partially leaving reddit because of the attack on apps had no devs busting their ass to get out good ones.
There's no apps for kbin that are open use. PWAs are meh to begin with, but at least the lemmy UI via PWA matches reddit close enough that the learning curve is trivial. The kbin ui has to be navigated with the split functions in mind, and that's not fun when what you're really wanting is to keep doing what you were doing before spez fucked things up.
And that's what it comes down to. The surge of new users to the fediverse aren't here because of the virtues of the services. They're/we're here because reddit isn't acceptable now. Lemmy is just closer to what we had
Yeah, they're both honestly pretty rough to use. kbin for example wouldn't show comments with any content blockers on for iOS, which makes it a pretty nonstarter for me. I personally don't think either have really nailed interface, either.
Can't really make apps for a site that doesn't have an API. They did announce recently that Kbin's API is nearly done, so soon there'll be a flood of Kbin apps as well, and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps too
Very much doubt. I'm sure many will but not all. The API isn't identical so they'd have to commit to maintaining both.
Yeah I suppose not all of them will want to commit to supporting Kbin, but some definitely will. Honestly though, so long as it's possible to search for and subscribe to Kbin magazines from Lemmy, that's all I really care about.
If nothing else, the Sync developer said he'd do it.
Memmy dev said they plan to as well but “not within this year” if I recall correctly.
Cool. Memmy is the best, but what is the purpose of a native kbin integration if it’s already federated? Are we able to view and not post or comment?
nice, that's the one I've been hoping for the most!
Came here to say that.. Take your upvote, good sir..
I'm so so looking forward to sync, and it gives me a lot of hope seeing all of these apps and fancy UI's, it's reassuring that the fediverse is here to stay and will continue to grow
Based on this: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-clients/src/branch/main/README.md Fedilab, once it supports Lemmy and Kbin
The thing is, when an app does only 1 thing, it's easy to make sure it does that thing well. It's going to be a lot of work to support so many different API's, keep them updated, and provide a good UI/UX.
Yeah. Take the state of game emulation for example. Yes, Retroarch DOES have like 500 emulator """cores""", all of which can be configured from a single general purpose UI and using a single input layer.
But holy shit does hat UI and input configuration SUCK DONKEY BALLS.
My Anbernic is very happy running 80% of its consoles though it. But I do wish there was something better looking when I have the actual emulation layer running.
This is why Lemmy's tangential features, such as being able to post from Mastodon accounts, or being able to post to that video service, are also not going to happen any time soon. It's just a lot of moving pieces, for functionality that's more interesting than useful.
I don't, it's not that much more work as the basics of it won't change that much over time and the functionality will be near identical. We might not get newer features that are eventually added though.
@Nitrate55 I can't wait to be able to use Kbin on the go, I'm really gonna have nothing be done at that point
I do most of my kbin browsing on my phone using good old firefox.
It isn't perfect, but definitely works well enough until a dedicated mobile app comes out.
@snooggums Yeah I sometimes use the browser on my phone to use Kbin but it would be good to have a fully function App in the near future.
You can install the kbin interface as a PWA on mobile, and it works pretty well. There are some kinks for sure, but it's 100% usable and better than lemmy.
Kbinites unite!!
API is almost done! Been using an internal build of the app that uses Artemis’ kbin instance with those changes. And oh god is so much better 👌
So we’re nearing a point where apps for kbin will start popping up ✨
TIL about old.lemmy.world, cool!
There's also m.lemmy.world running Voyager (formerly wefwef).
Wtf that's awesome! Have they open sourced that?
EDIT: I found it https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym
my instance doesn't have that thingy
Same. I just don't have a reason to use kbin. The interface is not my cup of tea and I don't like the way they've handled communities or 'mAgAzInEs'.
Why you letting your lemmy account gather dust?
If only kbin had an API...
I was thinking of making my first attempt at an android app a kbin app because of the lack of options, but their documentation (while done really well so far) isn't fleshed out yet.
Lemmy's Documentation is very confusing to me as someone still learning to program (does it get better when you are more experienced???), but it's definitely a lot more fleshed out, so that's why I'm attempting to make just another Lemmy client looool
Hi, currently three years into a job title that indicates I program for a living (it sounds more like I'm a manager). I do Python professionally and work on learning C. It... it kinds gets worse, if you go this far, but you're more able to handle it.
12 years here, it gets better :)
Oh, it's the artemis girl
I was introduced to remote debugging a few weeks ago. I had heard of it and it sounded neat, but it's so much better than I could possibly have imagined.
The great part of images in comments is that they can complete a meme.
Unlimited potential
Very happy to see this was added!!
It's not 3rd party app developers fault that kbin didn't have any stable api yet. Now that they fast track the api development, I think we can expect more 3rd party apps coming soon.
Kbin should have prioritised their API rather than adding microblogging to a platform that didn’t need it.
The addition of microblogging is the main draw for me
I just want to be able to browse lemmy/kbin and mastodon with a single login
Isn't that what the RIF dev is making?
Yes! He linked to the post over on tildes prior to shutting down RIF.
Wish he'd make it for lemmy
I agree. I enjoyed RIF for so many years. Paid for it too. I would gladly pay him again for a lemmy app.
Same here.
It's on the internet, it exists to be modified. Tis the law.
With that said, if I heard that, I'd either do things low profile or I'd not do it at all, because at any point the devs can just intentionally ruin whatever you use to make your app work. And low profile isn't an option, RiF's dev will always have at least a couple hundred who will try whatever they make, day 1. In their shoes, I would contact the Tildes dev directly and ask where we stand, then go forward with blessing, or leave.
I'm about to launch a Lemmy app (by Monday, my friend yelled at me when he found out I'd been using it exclusively for weeks without putting up a beta), and kbin support is on my to-do list.
Frankly, I started using Lemmy, saw this could be the thing I've been waiting for, and decided the edges were too rough. So I made the app I always wanted for Reddit with the goal of using multiple servers, multiple accounts seamlessly. My guiding philosophy is making the client into another layer of federation,
I checked out the kbin docs and I can probably knock it out in a couple days, I've got abstraction layers to handle different versions and forks of Lemmy... Head over to ![email protected] and let me know this is something people want and I'll put it higher on the priority list
Artemis developer said they're gonna public source the code soonand their app supports both Lemmy and Kbin, which might help you with Kbin support. Just a suggestion, I know nothing about how code works, though.
If you add support for kbin, you'll probably going to add support for kbin's microblogging feature. If you added support for kbin's microblogging, might as well add mastodon support. Heck, might as well add pixelfed support to the mix, why not? Voila, now you have a super federated app.
mabye peertube too
Heck yeah my guy!!
Ngl I thought the Flemish would claim Flemmy before you did.
These things take time and once KBin releases its API, the mobile apps will start flowing.
I'm pretty excited for that and will give KBin a try once that happens.
There is nothing to do because kbin hasn't released a working api yet
Lenny’s API is really approachable and Kbins is still WIP
Whoever ends up doing so should set up the interface so that Lemmy posts are blue and kbin posts green, that way Lemmy users can downvote us and call us poor.
You could hack that into most lemmy clients right now, with either a manual kbin list or one automatically populated by querying the instances api directly.
I recommend forking liftoff and calling it lMessage, l for liftoff or lemmy, and message because now you can message all those pesky kbin users that they should bin their kbin and join a real instance
I still have absolutely no idea what the difference between lemmy, kbin and mastodon is.
Kbin is more like Facebook in my opinion
So they're all entirely separate federated networks?
No, they use ActivityPub underneath, so you can go to kbin/mastodon communities/users/etc. from Lemmy and vice versa.
The catch here being that integration between them is somewhat limited. Mastodon displays Lemmy posts as Mastodon posts, with the communities being their own accounts. Not the best system. Lemmy can’t access Mastodon posts at all(AFAIK). Interaction between Lemmy and Kbin often also leaves out lots of information.
Oh cool, thanks.
Connect for Lemmy, connects them all
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kuroneko.lemmy_connect
How do you like connect? I've been using Jerboa but wouldn't mind checking some others apps out
personally it is kinda superior to Jerboa, since it has a feature that is my favourite: keyword filter, but also i can browse instances that can be defederated from each other, all the fediverse in one app: could even browse hexbear.net (which is not federated with anyone yet), kbin.social, ..all on the app (and can browse instances as a guest without an account, which makes things way eaiser. unlimited block list. no bugs. it was suggested to me and i keep suggesting it for others since i didnt regret using it.
How do you browse instances sa guest?
there is a button next to the sign in button called 'guest'. type ur desired instance and press. u can't reply or bookmark posts thou.
That's cool, thanks.
I went from Jerboa, then Connect for a while, then Liftoff, and now I sometimes use Thunder.
Liftoff is currently my most used app though.
In case you aren't using the Thunder nightly releases, big Thunder major release soon :)
Oh nice!
I've tried a bunch, including Jerboa and Connect. Thunder is by far my favourite
maybe make a pros and cons chart and post it
yea each person has some certain favourite features that aren't common on all apps.
I like the jerboa design but the scrolling is so awful that triggers me.
Yeah I left Kbin for this purpose.
I'm still trying to hold on to kbin but lemmy is just so much more accessible. I'm super stoked for the Artemis app but it's just taking way too long
Same
The API is going through code review right now!
Is kbin not lemmy? I can subscribe to kbin communities through my Lemmy instance though?
They both use ActivityPub, which is why the content is shared. But they're different software.
What even is the difference? The only thing I saw different was the UI compared to most Lemmy instances viewed through a browser.
Microblogging is the first thing that comes to mind. And subscribing or blocking entire domains.
Being able to block users, communities, and domains is just so useful for avoiding content I am not interested in.
Personally can't wait for Artemis to come out by the description it sounds very much like an 3rd Party App that I would love to death
Working hard on it! Can’t wait for API to go live to make it widely available.
I wrote an API adapter layer to be able to support both kbin and lemmy in the app. Want to open source that as a package, so hopefully more apps can easily add support for both 🤞
Absolute legend!
Do you have a Patreon, Ko-Fi, or donate link?
This post mentions a Ko-Fi donation link.
Thank you very much for the hard work!
Hey can I ask which features you're most drawn to? I'm really stoked that Infinity announced but I'm always down for new app experiences.
For me it's mostly just that it supports kbin and the design because I never got to use Apollo as an android user, and it's supposed to be at least extremely similar design wise (from what I've heard)
Yes, Artemis by @hariette is looking good.
in minecraft
I don't think I'd bother with a kbin app anyway - I'm fine with the way it is already.
If the API gets released, I might look into developing a desktop/mobile app. All relatively low-level, no electron app bullshit
I can't wait to be unhinged on kbin as well <3 .
I have been logging into kbin every day for a month trying to delete my account, but to this day, I can still log in...
I don't understand the people who want apps.
I'm not looking for an argument - you do you. But I don't understand your desire to install things.
There are plenty of rough edges that apps are able to buff out that a browser cannot.
I use plenty of things in a browser, but if I'm gonna scroll something daily... I want that image viewer with tap slide zoom. I want that specific folder that the app saves shit to instead of just "downloads". etc. etc.
I don’t understand the people who don’t want apps.
I’m not looking for an argument -you do you. But I don’t understand your desire to not install things.
Having a dedicated app is just more convenient in most cases. And apps generally offer more features and QoL improvements compared to a site. After using memmy for about a month I can’t use the official site, especially on mobile.
kbin user cope
(/s)
I feel the exact way but in reverse lmao. Who be using websites these days 🤣
The clunky interface, the relative differences from reddit, the confusing organization, the less than ideal splitting between blog/thread/magazine that makes navigating it have an extra learning curve, the lack of any apps that aren't just a pwa that has the same flaws as the site, the fact that there's really only one server for kbin that's used, the list goes on.
And I like kbin, I hope it thrives and becomes popular enough that nobody ever has to consider a corporate run site again because there's multiple federated options.
But, just being real, lemmy is simpler and easier to use, and it's closer to the way reddit worked. Kbin is trying to be more than a link aggregator and forum. That's great! If that's what you're looking for, it's even better. But most of the r/efugees were and are looking for something familiar and comfortable. With kbin not having an API, app developers weren't jumping into it (other than hariette, and she's kick ass) so the r/efugees that were at least partially leaving reddit because of the attack on apps had no devs busting their ass to get out good ones.
There's no apps for kbin that are open use. PWAs are meh to begin with, but at least the lemmy UI via PWA matches reddit close enough that the learning curve is trivial. The kbin ui has to be navigated with the split functions in mind, and that's not fun when what you're really wanting is to keep doing what you were doing before spez fucked things up.
And that's what it comes down to. The surge of new users to the fediverse aren't here because of the virtues of the services. They're/we're here because reddit isn't acceptable now. Lemmy is just closer to what we had
Did they delete the other comment or is the bug not on their end? Cause I only see one currently.
Just teasing :)
Yeah, they're both honestly pretty rough to use. kbin for example wouldn't show comments with any content blockers on for iOS, which makes it a pretty nonstarter for me. I personally don't think either have really nailed interface, either.
They must have fixed that before I got here. The internet without ad blockers is an unusable dystopian cesspool.
Oh absolutely. I run a network-wide adblocker (pi-hole) and still also adblock stuff on all my clients.
Things like Adblock on iOS
Lemmy -> Kbin federation wasn't (isn't?) working that great, and considering 90% of content on KBin's front page is lemmy content anyway...
Also there's like two dozen apps for Lemmy now including several in the app stores
Plus stuff like https://old.thelemmy.club