@[email protected] A for-profit corporation that absolutely loathes feedback from end users and community members, except when it's dripping with praise for their latest attempt to appease techbro capitalists, is cutting off an avenue for feedback on a platform largely populated by people who violently hate techbro capitalism. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
NP! I'd argue Ladybird as well, but given how much donations they're taking from corporate already.... Doubt they'll keep as a 'for the people' browser
@[email protected] I left Mozilla after a decade of working at the Foundation because it was more than obvious that it had no idea wtf it was doing and they were no longer aligned with my moral compass. And they've just kept on reinforcing that over and over the last few years.
@Dindonmasker sorry, are you trying to blame individual contributor for the years long failing of the executive team? Because that's what it sounds like, and that'd be quite an amazingly short-sighted thing to say, so I hope that's not what you're saying.
No? I'm just saying that maybe whoever cared more before are no longer there. I have no idea of the structure of mozilla management but if something changed it's because people changed.
@Dindonmasker unfortunately it's worse than that, the people who cared the most absolutely changed, but not by leaving. Instead they were put at the top, and ran things into the ground.
@[email protected] Mozilla has become kind of a clown I will admit. But its not 100% evil like Google. Its close, but there's still some traces of goodness left. Or they would embrace webextensions v3 without caring.
@[email protected] In the context of this: while many of the actions of @[email protected] feel annoying (i.e. axing FirefoxOS just before it became widespread in South America) and while it doesn’t look like that if you plot a market share which includes the massively growing number of mobile devices with a bundled browser:
Firefox has been mostly keeping its users since 2017.
2017 and 2021 it stayed mostly stable at 190 million users
Interesting that they almost managed to stop the decline for a few years there. In 2024 after the recent string of nonsensical decisions it's down to 158 million.
While they were widely criticized during that time, 2017 to 2022 were actually pretty stable years. And that despite constant uncertainty about the future (“will Google continue to pay?”) and failures to get other revenue sources (AFAIK).
@[email protected] @[email protected]
@[email protected] I have the impression that CEO’s and equivalents often forget the importance of the existing userbase.
So instead of making the existing people happy and trying to reach others from that base, they shoot for the big crowd — but without having enough to stand on.
@[email protected] @[email protected]
It's an arms race. But now the arms go off randomly and sometimes shoot things behind you. But corporate has spent so much money on it that we can't turn back now
@[email protected] You can follow the link in the ref and read comments: it's about a leadership decision of Mozilla to close their Mastodon instance. They do this while they invest a lot on AI.
In short, it's Mozilla governance that is going more and more full speed into a "capitalism tech bro" mindset, at the cost of a more and more visible departure of the Free/Libre software community. A decision that I qualify of them being clowns, now. And I parody the meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/putting-on-clown-makeup for that.
@davidrevoy Tiens, je viens de te voir repartager cette image, et ça me fait penser : est-ce qu'elle ne pourrait pas avoir sa place dans framamèmes ? Il me semble qu'elle irait plutôt bien à côté des images de @gee, non ?
@elzen@gee Oh peut-être pas, elle est trop centré sur Firefox comparé au meme originel. Et puis j'aime bien l'unité qu'a Framameme avec que les dessin de Gee pour le moment. Je voudrai pas casser cette unité. Mais par contre, je suis curieux du code de Framameme, pour voir si il y aurait moyen de l'utiliser pour redialoguer ou faire de la trad de BD courte comme les miniFantasyTheatre. C'est canon comme petit logiciel en ligne tout ça.
@[email protected] I feel sorry in advance if another meaning than "Mozilla leadership once again are making clown things" can be interpreted from this drawing.
If it is hurting a community. That's not my intention at all with this comic.
@[email protected] thanks for pointing that out. I did not see the reference and I also did not know the original meme until know (which I think is already quite offensive in itself). I think posts like this are a hit in the face of the queer community and I just don't like them.
Bruder / Schwester das ist ein uraltes Meme, einen Clown beinhaltend, ka was du da reininterpretierst, aber mit falscher Repräsentation von queeren Menschen hat das nix zu tun
@[email protected] I sincerly feel sorry to read it. I hope you'll forgive me for haven't been able to anticipate this particular side effect for the audience not knowing the original meme, or not clicking on the ref. 😔
I really thought it would be read just as a tiny joke in front of a news I had hard time to cope (something that happens too often with Mozilla).
@[email protected] A for-profit corporation that absolutely loathes feedback from end users and community members, except when it's dripping with praise for their latest attempt to appease techbro capitalists, is cutting off an avenue for feedback on a platform largely populated by people who violently hate techbro capitalism. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
How did this even happen? Is Mozilla made up entirely of people who didn't get accepted by google?
Mozilla is less worse than Google et al, but let's be frank - we need a community-developed browser. Enough of this corporate bullshit.
From what I heard, Servo is working on one
https://servo.org/blog/2024/09/11/building-browser/
This is genuinely great, specially since they're using their own web engine. Thanks for sharing, I'll keep a closer eye at the project.
NP! I'd argue Ladybird as well, but given how much donations they're taking from corporate already.... Doubt they'll keep as a 'for the people' browser
@davidrevoy
Tired: posting a meme reaction
Wired: drawing a customized meme of your own
https://killedbymozilla.com/
Another service on the chopping block
https://killedbygoogle.com Their list is still smaller than google's at least.
@[email protected] I left Mozilla after a decade of working at the Foundation because it was more than obvious that it had no idea wtf it was doing and they were no longer aligned with my moral compass. And they've just kept on reinforcing that over and over the last few years.
Maybe because people who cared left?
@Dindonmasker sorry, are you trying to blame individual contributor for the years long failing of the executive team? Because that's what it sounds like, and that'd be quite an amazingly short-sighted thing to say, so I hope that's not what you're saying.
No? I'm just saying that maybe whoever cared more before are no longer there. I have no idea of the structure of mozilla management but if something changed it's because people changed.
@Dindonmasker unfortunately it's worse than that, the people who cared the most absolutely changed, but not by leaving. Instead they were put at the top, and ran things into the ground.
@[email protected] Oh, I hadn't heard… I.. I just don't get how Mozilla keeps making these choices that burn community goodwill.
But your comic is a fun, lighthearted way to represent it. One day that fox of fire will have a good caretaker.
@[email protected] Mozilla has become kind of a clown I will admit. But its not 100% evil like Google. Its close, but there's still some traces of goodness left. Or they would embrace webextensions v3 without caring.
@[email protected] They don't deserve something this cute
I'd still fuck the fox.
@[email protected] The web can't afford for Firefox to go away. I really hope someone figures out how to make Mozilla effective and sustainable.
@[email protected]
Ugh! Firefox just can't seem to catch a break with bad management decisions
@[email protected] Another one for the Mozilla graveyard!
@[email protected] it's a cute drawing tho! 🤩
@[email protected] In the context of this: while many of the actions of @[email protected] feel annoying (i.e. axing FirefoxOS just before it became widespread in South America) and while it doesn’t look like that if you plot a market share which includes the massively growing number of mobile devices with a bundled browser:
Firefox has been mostly keeping its users since 2017.
https://www.draketo.de/software/firefox-usercount
Interesting that they almost managed to stop the decline for a few years there. In 2024 after the recent string of nonsensical decisions it's down to 158 million.
@[email protected] yes.
While they were widely criticized during that time, 2017 to 2022 were actually pretty stable years. And that despite constant uncertainty about the future (“will Google continue to pay?”) and failures to get other revenue sources (AFAIK).
@[email protected] @[email protected]
@[email protected] I have the impression that CEO’s and equivalents often forget the importance of the existing userbase.
So instead of making the existing people happy and trying to reach others from that base, they shoot for the big crowd — but without having enough to stand on.
@[email protected] @[email protected]
@[email protected] Oh yes, my feeling also about it.
@[email protected]
@[email protected] You’d make a good politician cartoonist, but I wouldn’t want to wish that upon someone nice.
@[email protected] one more to https://killedbymozilla.com/
Mozilla are doing the same AI integration as all the other browsers, so lemmings have decided that Mozilla is evil now.
Which is so stupid. Only a good browser with AI can stop a dead internet filled with AI junk.
It's an arms race. But now the arms go off randomly and sometimes shoot things behind you. But corporate has spent so much money on it that we can't turn back now
@[email protected] You can follow the link in the ref and read comments: it's about a leadership decision of Mozilla to close their Mastodon instance. They do this while they invest a lot on AI.
In short, it's Mozilla governance that is going more and more full speed into a "capitalism tech bro" mindset, at the cost of a more and more visible departure of the Free/Libre software community. A decision that I qualify of them being clowns, now. And I parody the meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/putting-on-clown-makeup for that.
@[email protected] #TrueStory 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
@[email protected] I think of a lot of other references related to Mozilla where this applies too! 😬
Wait I thought we liked Firefox
I do, but it's also a shame that mozilla.social is shutting down.
Très beau, c'est cool de voir votre travail ici!
@[email protected] really great
@[email protected] I like the new CEO
@[email protected] you need to add the slide where their leaderships changes every year or so
@[email protected] Browsers based on Gecko Firefox and Chrome Blink
are compromised, ecause both companies updating the main build are either becoming, or are ad companies.
Switching to browser based on Webkit is a good idea for long term privacy.
@[email protected]
soo true
@[email protected] t'es génial.
@davidrevoy Tiens, je viens de te voir repartager cette image, et ça me fait penser : est-ce qu'elle ne pourrait pas avoir sa place dans framamèmes ? Il me semble qu'elle irait plutôt bien à côté des images de @gee, non ?
@elzen @gee Oh peut-être pas, elle est trop centré sur Firefox comparé au meme originel. Et puis j'aime bien l'unité qu'a Framameme avec que les dessin de Gee pour le moment. Je voudrai pas casser cette unité. Mais par contre, je suis curieux du code de Framameme, pour voir si il y aurait moyen de l'utiliser pour redialoguer ou faire de la trad de BD courte comme les miniFantasyTheatre. C'est canon comme petit logiciel en ligne tout ça.
@[email protected] @[email protected] le code source est là 🙂
https://framagit.org/framasoft/fun/framamemes
@[email protected] I am quite sure your intentions are not as bad as it seems, but something feels really wrong with that post. #diversity
@[email protected] I feel sorry in advance if another meaning than "Mozilla leadership once again are making clown things" can be interpreted from this drawing.
If it is hurting a community. That's not my intention at all with this comic.
Also, if it has something to do with the makeup symbols or the colors of the hair, it is just inspired/inherited from the original meme (src: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/putting-on-clown-makeup ).
Thank you for pointing it, I hope my answer will participate to disambiguate anything wrong.
@[email protected] thanks for pointing that out. I did not see the reference and I also did not know the original meme until know (which I think is already quite offensive in itself). I think posts like this are a hit in the face of the queer community and I just don't like them.
Bruder / Schwester das ist ein uraltes Meme, einen Clown beinhaltend, ka was du da reininterpretierst, aber mit falscher Repräsentation von queeren Menschen hat das nix zu tun
@[email protected] I sincerly feel sorry to read it. I hope you'll forgive me for haven't been able to anticipate this particular side effect for the audience not knowing the original meme, or not clicking on the ref. 😔
I really thought it would be read just as a tiny joke in front of a news I had hard time to cope (something that happens too often with Mozilla).