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Popular Israeli podcasters call to ‘erase every living being’ in Gaza and West Bank

In an episode of Two Nice Jewish Boys, which aired three weeks ago, host Weinstein said: “If you gave me a button to just erase Gaza, every single living being in Gaza would no longer be living tomorrow. I would press it in a second.”

He claimed that “most Israelis” would do the same.

Meningher added that they would also want to wipe out Palestinians in “the territories”.

The clip of Weinstein and Meningher lauding the idea of all five million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank being wiped out has drawn fierce criticism online.

“Radio Rwanda in full effect here. This is deeply disturbing,” journalist Samira Mohyedeen wrote on X, referring to the broadcasts that incited genocide against the Tutsis during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

Popular Israeli podcasters call to ‘erase every living being’ in Gaza and West Bankhttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-podcast-hosts-call-erase-every-living-being-gaza-and-west-bankOpen linkView original on lemmy.world
lemmy.world

Maybe all Israelis need to visit Dachau or Auschwitz to remember how being actively erased isn’t a good thing. How quickly it’s forgotten.

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Or the Warsaw ghetto... you know... a segregated part of a country bring reduced to ruin with technological superior weaponry, due to a people resisting the oppressive regime of a racist state.

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lemm.ee

Israel can fuck right off. Clearly, “never again” doesn’t mean fuck all to the Israeli government who are doing the same shit the Nazis did, only with bombs instead of gas chambers.

Fuck Israel. The US should have stopped giving them money decades ago.

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lemmy.world

Seems like what you’re doing fr. So lemme get it right, terrorists murder Israeli’s for generations, no problem that’s fine. Israeli’s fight back and they’re genocidal maniacs? Get bent bud, you worried about the people in Gaza then blame the government that allowed terrorists to overthrow and take control of Gaza not the Israeli’s who are sick of being slaughtered.

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lol you are doing negative PR work. Good luck covering up your pro genocide anti humanitarian beliefs.

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lemmy.world

A few months ago I started using Google Translate to read what Israelis are saying amongst each other in their mainstream publications and forums.

My. God. Levels of entitlement and racism that would make a Klansman blush.

Sure, a lot of them want a cease-fire to get the hostages back ... and most don't like Netanyahu ... but the average Israeli Zionist is a racist monster.

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Daxtron2reply
startrek.website

You have to remember that the people who post comments on news articles are not average. Look at any English news site article and its full of the most bottom of the barrel idiots. The majority of people don't comment on things like this.

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Mammalreply
lemmy.world

I'm not referring to powerless, mouth-breathing, NEETs who normally lurk forums.

But I'm referring to comments from actual members of the Israeli Knesset, public statements from people like the OP, printed editorials in mainstream publications, and modern Israeli celebrities.

When you read through the translations not meant for western audiences - the racism pops out disturbingly. It's such a part of their culture that they don't even notice it as such. Zionists really don't view people in the West Bank or Gaza as humans.

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lemmy.world

Quite a statement for using Google Translate. Interpreting words is difficult, doing so while using pretty bad translation service may lead you to the interpretation completely different from what was intended. Not saying they aren't nazis, just criticising your post.

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Unless you can come up with a better translation, you're not offering critique, just you're just sowing doubt without backing evidence.

I find it highly unlikely there's an alternative translation here that we'd consider morally okay to say.

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lemmy.world

Unless you can come up with a better translation

Sure, I'll try, can you share links where you saw them saying those things?

you're just sowing doubt without backing evidence

And it's the right thing to do. It's you who should provide evidence when you claim someone is a nazi, and we should doubt your words until you prove it.

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How fucking wrong a translation can go to change the interpretation to "we will make them watch the death of their babies and then we'll kill them too"

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It's a good thing to keep in mind but it's a different culture, right now they can't decide if torture and rape of prisoners is okay.

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lemm.ee

You have to remember that their religion teaches them that non-jewish humans are, well, 'not that important'

To put it mildly

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Kalystareply
lemm.ee

The vast majority of Jewish people in the world realize this is wrong and ignore this part of their ancient teachings. Don’t go shaming the whole religion over some violent extremists.

Israel was also secular when it was founded. Look it up. This is 100% on their government and right wing extremists and not Judiasm as a whole.

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I do my best to always use the word Zionist before the word Israeli.

Israel's secularism is irrelevant to the overall racist ideology of Zionism that permeates Israeli society.

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lemm.ee

Why shouldn't I shame the religion because some people choose to ignore part of it?

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myslslreply
lemmy.world

Because if the majority of people following a particular religion reject a prior view as false or wrong, then arguably that view is no longer part of the religion.

Religions aren't crisp, unchanging, monolithic entities where everybody believes the same thing forever. If we're talking about judaism in the sense of the views and practices jewish people actually subscribe to, then that seems like we are referring to beliefs they actually hold in a mainstream/current sense, not beliefs they previous held but now reject?

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lemm.ee

So you're saying that because a religion allows you to choose which of God's commandments, carefully passed down through every generation, you personally want to follow based on your gut feeling, can't be shamed?

Why should the ones who choose to deny parts of their religion be seen as representative of it over those who've chosen to uphold them?

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So you're saying that because a religion allows you to choose which of God's commandments, carefully passed down through every generation, you personally want to follow based on your gut feeling, can't be shamed?

No, that is not what I said.

Why should the ones who choose to deny parts of their religion be seen as representative of it over those who've chosen to uphold them?

I definitely answered this in my original comment.

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It's in the religion's text. "Judaism" is complicated as it can either mean religion, culture or ethnicity/race, but they said "religion teaches", so we can assume that they're referring to the practicing religious category.

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Kalystareply
lemm.ee

Don’t forget a good chunk of those Israelis are also American.

We’re not sending our best.

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As best I can tell, the most racist zionists are usually American-born Israelis.

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This is quite disturbing, thank you for sharing. I forget that the localised cultural medias on both sides is likely the greater measure of reality but not within most people's awareness.

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Kalystareply
lemm.ee

With opinions like this i promise you they are children.

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it's a typo, it was supposed to say Nazi but when it was autocorrected they kept Nice in the name because the irony makes it funny

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monyet.cc

If a Palestinian said that, they will be immediately branded a terrorist AND get called an Antisemite™ and zionist then walk the street crying about how tough their life are and they just wanna exists.

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NatakuNoxreply
lemmy.world

And in all honesty Palestinian people actually have a reason to hate Israel/Zionest. I'm not excusing any violence by anyone, but for example if you asked a Jewish Polish person during the holocaust if they hated Germany/Nazies, no one wouldn take their response as a reason to continue the holocaust. Ask any person who's demographic is being ethnicly cleansed what they think about their oppressors, and you'll always get the same response.

We know how this ends when the world (mainly the USA) turns a blind eye. Time after time, the world has shown to be deeply blind to genicide against brown people. If the roles were reversed we would have stopped the killing/war already.

Edit: Grammar

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superkretreply
feddit.org

The US isn't turning a blind eye to the genocide this time.
They're actively involved.

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Turning a blind eye while providing weapons. Sounds about right for the US

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gedaliyahreply
lemmy.world

Many Palestinians have said that about Israelis. Do you want links?

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monyet.cc

Exactly, that's the reason the world brand them as terrorist and treat them as such, human being lower than the others. Does the same happened to Israel though?

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d00phyreply
lemmy.world

What about-ism doesn’t make it right for either side. The point is most western countries refuse to publicly call out this kind of racism when it comes from Israel for fear of being painted as antisemitic. Conversely, it’s easy for those same countries to ignore genocide in Gaza and the West Bank, and highlight atrocities committed by Hamas as terrorism.

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d00phyreply
lemmy.world

Those articles highlight sanctions against settlers and a "settler group." I didn't see sanctions against Israel.

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Where are the sanctions and condemnations for Netanyahu, Smotrich, Gallant and Ben Gvir? Or did they not make extremely Genocidal statements?

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NatakuNoxreply
lemmy.world

Are you saying the oppressed have no right to have negative thoughts and beliefs towards their oppressors? Really the whole of none wester and none northern would like a word with you. Let me ask you something. Would a Jewish person that lived in occupied Poland during the holocaust be chastised for hating German Nazies? Like I'm not excusing violence of any kind but why are the Palestinians being held to a higher standard than the ones with all the power to do mass harm to innocent people? October 7th was a inhumane tragedy! But an October 7th worth of pain, death and tragedy happens to Palestinians over the course of a few months even before Oct 7th. Where is your condemnation of the Zionest people doing those horrific actions? Like wtf. I feel like we are living in Bizarro world!

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himbeerlireply
lemmy.zip

Are you saying there are none to very few Palestinians who publicly push the idea of killing all Israelis?

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monyet.cc

Did i? Or am i saying the reaction to both group is not equal?

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himbeerlireply
lemmy.zip

Nope, just wanted to make sure... The reaction should be the same for both if they call for a literal genocide of the other sides people. Regardless of the side, it's the opinion of terrorist subhumans.

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ghurabreply
lemmy.world

Wishing for the death of the side that's actively ethnically cleansing your side is definitely not the same as wishing for the death of all of the people you are ethnically cleansing.

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lemmy.ca

Do you think killing some random person on the street is equivalent to killing someone in self defence in order to save your own life?

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I think targeted mass killing of people of a certain national, ethnical, racial or religious group no matter of their individual actions is a genocide.

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NatakuNoxreply
lemmy.world

Are you saying the oppressed have no right to have negative thoughts and beliefs towards their oppressors? Really the whole of none wester and none northern would like a word with you. Let me ask you something. Would a Jewish person that lived in occupied Poland during the holocaust be chastised for hating German Nazies? Like I'm not excusing violence of any kind but why are the Palestinians being held to a higher standard than the ones with all the power to do mass harm to innocent people? October 7th was a inhumane tragedy! But an October 7th worth of pain, death and tragedy happens to Palestinians over the course of a few months even before Oct 7th. Where is your condemnation of the Zionest people doing those horrific actions? Like wtf. I feel like we are living in Bizarro world!

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No, I'm not. I'm saying whoever wants a genocide is a f-cking terrorist.

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Lifelong indoctrination with minimal critical education or dissenting ideals can be a hell of a drug.

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lemmy.world

They are just saying the quiet part out loud. This is what zionest and the Christian right want. But there is no magical button to make 5 million people go away. So it's bombs and starvation as their buttons to push. How many times do they have to tell us why they are doing obviously genicidal acts before we do something?

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They’re already letting a polio outbreak happen.

Polio. That disease most of the world got rid of through modern hygine and vaccines. They’ve bombed them back to the 1500’s. It’s disgusting.

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lemmy.world

At this point I vote we forcibly remove EVERYBODY from the entirety of Israel and Palestine. If they can't share it nicely, nobody should get to have it.

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hexabsreply
lemmy.world

The 27 ton Tsar Bomba buried under Jerusalem:

👉👈

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They said remove, not murder. Realistically it would never work without creating huge problems for all involved, but I'm sure they were mostly joking.

Like " no body gets to play with the ball if you can't share nicely" .. not, murder the kids.

Edit: this is about clarifying someone's word, not my view.... You can't just move everyone lol

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Funny, if you'd do this in my country you'd get into trouble. But Israeli genocide is so hot right now it seems.

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wow, would you be ok to boil them and make soap as well? or make random medical experiments on them maybe?

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lemmy.world

I guess getting genocided makes it more likely to commit one yourself.

Maybe Palestinians will be the genocidal cunts in the year 2104 if this pattern holds. Weird to think about.

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Don't confuse Israelis with all Jews, especially not with the ones that got genocided.

Never forget that actual Holocaust Survivors have been deemed antisemitic by Israelis for comparing some of the actions of Israel with those of the Nazis.

More broadly only a handful of people who were directly affected by the Holocaust still live, of which only a fraction in Israel, none of which are the ones doing this (if only because they're too old) or in Government. In fact the majority of the families in Israel were never affected by the Holocaust even indirectly because most come from elsewhere than Western Europe, a large fraction of whom from Russia.

There is no such thing as a "Jewish Hive Mind" (or whatever the magical thing that would be necessary for every member of the Jewish Religion to share the actual trauma lived by some) which means that the vast majority of these murdering ethno-Fascist psychopaths have no real relation to the Holocaust other than sharing a religious affiliation with the biggest group of victims of it, a distant and entirely "in paper only" link.

So it's not at all surprising that people who have never actually experienced the trauma of being victimized in that way but grew up immersed in the kind of racist indoctrination that tells them they're part of a "chosen people" and hence inherently special themselves, unlike other people, especially the ones being oppressed in their name who they are told are "violent" and even "human animals", would do such a thing to those other people: in fact the surprise is how long it took the rest of us to discover how much of it they were already doing and discover the true depth of their depravity.

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If we remove the outside resistance, no, just as likely simply because of being of genocidal species.

If we don't, then being genocided yourself and becoming treated specially because of that does, yes.

First, because of being treated specially. Second, because of those likely to commit genocide supporting you to minimize their PR expenses, and thus your friends and allies being genocidal.

Israel's allies are like US and Germany, which, BTW, has made such notable apologetic actions and reparations only in case of the Holocaust, - they haven't done anything except the official apology in case of Herero genocide, and their stance on the Armenian genocide was just recognizing it without criminalizing denial, and with very little attention to German Empire's role in organizing it (basically German military advisors in the Ottoman Empire were involved in this as much as they were in actual warfare).

I don't think I need to say anything about US, even the political status of Native Americans in the US could be something better.

But Israel is also friendly with Turkey - Israel has the PR advantage of being a genocide survivor nation, and Turkey has a resources and strategic position advantage of unpunished genocide perpetrator nation. One needs the resources help, another needs the PR help. They satisfy each other's needs, and really a lot of basic goods in Israel are actually produced in Turkey. Even some military stuff.

Strangely enough it's the same with Germany - they are clutching at every opportunity to publicly support Israel, and wave that support against anything bad they do. "We are friendlier with Israel than you" is their indulgence against anything.

This is, of course, solvable in the balancing way - Israel's Holocaust PR should be universally shunned and condemned, their agent network investigated, exposed and controlled, and their military kicked out of Palestine, and Turkey should be kicked out with carpet bombings out of Western Armenia, Pontus, Assyria and Cilicia. It takes resources, like everything else. But the reward is huge for those of us not making money on suffering.

The problem is the psychopatic way geopolitics work currently. Peaceful West Asia, less corrupt\poor Latin America, less uneducated\poor sub-Saharan Africa could make our whole world far richer and pleasant to live in. But it would definitely change all the elites and ways of existence of currently powerful countries.

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lemmy.world

Someone will unironically post this as though that's not what every member of Hamas means when they say "from the River to the Sea."

Yes, this guy is an asshole. Yes, there are assholes in every political group. Yes, there are podcasters in YOUR country calling for genocide of some group.

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"Yeah these guys are calling for literal Genocide, but that's what "from the river to the sea means!"

What an incredibly weird whataboutism and wild claim to make without evidence.

Meningher has done actual media for Netanyahu's campaigns.

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How does anything Hamas are doing have any bearing on this guy openly broadcasting his genocidal fantasy?

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Those that use the phrase definitely know what they're saying and how they're saying it. I could think of any other number of ways to convey a message of "liberation" without such loaded language, but this is a choice to use that phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

Al Qaeda

Among the materials recovered by American forces during the killing of al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden was a speech addressed to the American people, in which bin Laden proposed economic and security guarantees in exchange for a "roadmap that returns the Palestine land to us, all of it, from the sea to the river, it is an Islamic land not subject to being traded or granted to any party."

Hezbollah

On September 27, 2008, Hezbollah secretary-general Hassan Nasrallah stated at a rally "Palestine, from the sea to the river is the property of Arabs and Palestinians and no one has the right to give up even a single grain of earth or one stone, because every grain of the land is holy. The entire land must be returned to its rightful owners."

Iran

Iranian president Ebrahim Raisi, in 2023, used the phrase, saying "The only solution is a Palestinian state from the river to the sea", meaning that the only solution to the conflict would be a Palestinian state encompassing all of Israel and the Palestinian territories.

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lemmy.world

I’m not a fan of anti Israel posts. Just like I’m not a fan of anti Palestine posts. Can we keep this propaganda off Lemmy? I think most Lemmy users are pretty left leaning and we don’t need hate posts every single day about it.

Not to mention all this is doing is adding viewers to these guys. I didn’t know who they were until this post and I can guarantee they gained a few new viewers from this. Better to leave them in obscurity.

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lemm.ee

Nah, I think it's important for people to see the kind of attitudes that cause a genocide, as that's what's happening right now. We shouldn't be turning a blind eye to it while we're funding and supplying it. Especially if you live in the West, Israel's biggest backers, it's important to acknowledge it so we can fight against it. That's kind of what "never again" means and requires.

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I am all for journalists doing their job and reporting on facts. This is not that.

This is basically a puff piece to generate hate against Israel. You are assuming the general public has common sense. Do you think in Nazi Germany didn’t have anti nazi propaganda? All that type of journalism does is gather the dregs of society and let’s them believe there is a place in this world for hate. When we give credence to these people, whether negative or positive, we give them power. As I mentioned all this article does is generate viewership for fascists.

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Kalystareply
lemm.ee

Yeah lets tone police the genocide.

No it’s important to talk about this AND keep the pressure up on our politicians to stop arming Israel to try and force them to stop. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

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Yes 100%. However these guys are not associated with the US so calling then out doesn’t do anything. Just another circle jerk for anti Israel Lemmy users.

Also there’s a million real articles about the genocide. We don’t need this stupid article about 2 nobodies who have a podcast.

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Linkerbaanreply
lemmy.world

If you want to see less anti israel posts just block people or instances posting them.

There is nothing wrong with calling out Nazis. It is duty to speak up against Genocide.

As for the anti-Palestine posts, those don't do very well on Lemmy anymore.

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lemmy.world

You are completely missing the point. This article is not journalism. There’s plenty of news article based on fact that represent what Israel is actually doing. This is an opinion piece and does nothing but generate views for fascists. You are literally HELPING them. They are profiting off of this article.

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It is not an opinion piece, it's reporting on a viral event that happened recently. They are quoting people in the article. The article is not written by an israeli paper but a UK based one.

Here is the clip the article is reporting on it's a mirror, they are not getting views from this.

If these guys would get more popular in israel by making these statements that says a lot about israeli society.

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