Kadyrov claims to have received a Cybertruck from Musk, "soon to be sent into battle against Ukraine"
There's also this Ukrainian report on the matter but it's in Ukrainian, so I'm sharing the Mastodon post in English.
https://infosec.exchange/@kevinrothrock/112978521053430192Open linkView original on lemmy.world387
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From Musk… against Ukraine.
I hope that message is played loud and wide here in the US. Hell, in Europe too for that matter.
If it was true. But surely we are not believing this dictator at face value with no proof whatsoever, right? Right?
Um, excuse me… excuse me!
https://sh.itjust.works/c/noncredibledefense
We exist for a reason, stop stealing our stuff.
Setting aside the question of whether he's actually going to take the thing into a fight, I don't see how you'd get much more out of it than acting as a technical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(vehicle)
The Cybertruck is a light truck. It's got no armor, no relevant sensors. It's not tracked, which probably isn't the end of the world. The only notable thing about it is that runs on electricity, but in a battlefield context, my bet is that it's easier to get ahold of fuel than electricity. I guess you don't have to worry about fuel in a tank catching on fire, but lithium makes for exciting reactions too -- I kind of doubt that the battery cases deal well with being ruptured. Militaries are generally using ICEs, not EVs, today.
I'd say that a Hummvee is a considerably-better-suited vehicle in that category, and nobody is going to make a big deal out of taking a Hummvee into a fight.
So ....positives:
Its quite fast compared to most other technicals, on an undamaged road.
Its nearly silent.
Air Conditioning.
You can cut vegetables for meal prep with the frunk.
. .. ...
Ok negatives:
Unless they wrap or paint it, it is extremely shiny and highly visible.
Also, it is no longer silent once you start unloading with a rear mounted Kord or PKM.
It is significantly heavier than a similarly sized truck, not great for mud or crossing a structurally dubious bridge.
It can't offroad for shit in actually difficult or broken terrain, we've seen many of these things completely break their axels over curbs or collisions that most modern SUVs would be able to drive away from.
Its functionally totally unarmored.
It will probably explode/go up in flames if shot.
Also, if its electrical systems are sufficiently damaged, it will lock you out, or in.
It may or may not just stop working, or prevent itself from turning on fully if it decides to do a software update and has connectivity issues.
If the doors are damaged or your stupid key fob thing breaks, the door 'handles' are by default flush with the door panel and you cannot actually enter the vehicle.
If the central touch screen is say, shot, or maybe just bumped and cracked by an ammo box... probably you also cannot even get the thing to start.
Also, once you're close to the front line, where are you going to charge this thing? There's definitely no fast chargers, and if you do find a house with a working 220v outlet you're a sitting duck for the next 8 hours or so.
Ukrainians have been using electric bikes and scooters successfully, but a whole EV is another kettle of fish.
Conceivably they could macgyver together a diesel generator/transformer combo unit into an electrical cable that can charge a tesla?
Maybe?
I used to have a survival/backup battery/transformer combo that could be charged from portable solar panels or a wall outlet, and while I have no idea of their availability or price in Russia and Ukraine, I know there diesel generator/transformer/battery combo units or sets.
Recharging a Tesla off of solar would require basically a football field sized solar panel array though rofl, a very static and fragile target
Yeah, then you need to transport a generator and fuel to wherever you're charging it, so you're not getting away from the same logistics issues you'd have with a Toyota Hilux.
I can only see this as a ploy to get the all time high post on r/shittytechnicals, if that still exists.
I mean, probably it is near the top of shittiest in terms of cost and combat and logistical effectiveness...
But not on the pure aesthetics of utterly cobbled together garbage from a homeless shelter metric.
It can still get worse:
Doesn't have a cope cage yet. Is not rusted from ambient humidity or rain yet. Panels seem to be flush, that'll likely change fairly quickly. Random bits of it have not yet flown off at highway speeds yet.
Finally, the funniest possible things that could happen:
Ukraine hacks the thing remotely and autopilots it, empty, to crash into a jet at a nearby airfield, or a known location with a ballistic missile inbound, or just drives it off a cliff, etc.
I mean, if you could get a slave cable adapter you could probably charge it off of any nearby military vehicle...
But then you're still running another vehicle, idle, to charge it.
More like 3 days. A Tesla 3 standard range takes 10 hours on 240V @15A
Cybertrucks have big batteries
Oh yeah, sure, I meant to get some range to at least get away from the immediate front line.
If you slam any of the doors shut you won't be able to open them again.
Oh, the noise is a good point. I do recall reading an article about use of EVs talking about potential utility for reconnaissance. Fair enough.
Not really. Vehicles of that size are not stealthy from a visual perspective, and far enough away to avoid visual detection makes it likely that engine sound isn't going to give it away. Plus the limted range and lack of offroad ability makes it worse than something as simple as a motorcycle.
Now and electric motorcycle would be small and mobile enough to get close enough for the reduced sound to let it get a little closer. But at that point drones are far, far superior for reconnaissance.
Tire noise is also fairly loud in all vehicles
I could have sworn either the Abrams X or the Black Panther have an optional electric only mode, with onboard batteries that charge from the main engine, to allow either a moderate ability to move significantly more quietly or basically idle/hunker down at near silence.
While a tank being moved by a batteries is still quite loud up close, not using the incredibly loud engines would make it harder to hear from a decent distance away and could have legitimate tactical uses.
Also apparently Ola has made and will be selling a 120mph capable fully electric motorcycle in SE Asia: https://www.olaelectric.com/motorcycles
Not to worry a drone with a spritzer bottle will deactivate it quickly.
Its main strength is that Ukraine would probably want to have Kadyrov's personal Cybertruck as a trophy, so they'd be careful not to destroy it.
While that might play a very small part on their strategy I don't think anyone in Ukraine thinks twice before shooting it should the situation really need it. It would make a nice trophy, agreed, but I think the mentality is that if it doesn't burn then nice and even if it does the charred remains are still a trophy and a big PR win via social media.
Yeah, I vote for charred remains of the cyber truck being displayed in Kyiv.
But since Kadyrov might be inside, they might just make sure to save the video of blowing it up with egregious firepower. Even if he's not inside, it's a nice fuck you to all involved.
Does a fully charged CyberTruck have enough range to drive from... wherever it is, to say... Kursk?
It would be the funniest thing in a while if Ukraine managed to hack into the Autopilot and tell the thing to drive itself across the frontline to be captured.
Just because I don't really know the geography there, I thought I'd look it up. Sticker range on the cybertruck is apparently 500km, which (as the crow flies) would get you from Moscow to Kursk, or from Kursk to Kyiv.
Tesla sticker ranges are optimistic. You can achieve them if you drive slowly, but not at highway speed
The cyber truck has a big ass sunroof that'll probably shatter if he opens up with that 50 cal
Uh uh uh! It has
bulletproofbaseballproofreally hard glass!Are republicans just openly supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine now?
Now? Since quite a while, now. Putin did fund trump's 2016.
Plus it fits Kadyrov perfectly to pretend having received something directly from a "big company leader". He used to try and woo these kind of business people when he wasn't sanctioned.
Musk won't deny it probably simply because it fits with his current political alignments to ignore anything anti-Ukrainian.
Can't wait until it gets stuck in 2 cm of mud
Lmao that’ll fix it
His daughter went trans so he went full South Africa.
Since the US is so capitalist they said anyone with enough money gets to rule. Money rules elections… So here we are…
Explain what? That it’s so stressful treating something that you spend millions to talk shit on said treatment?
So you sign off on it why? Then say you were “tricked” why? You think his kid got treatment without consent?
Stress as a parent? Dude saw his daughter maybe once a month. He'd tossed her aside long before she came out
Not the emerald mines?
The part where his family was already rich from an emerald mine and other exploitative shit, and that he has done nothing but lose money on Twitter.
Only an involved one, not so much an absentee father, who seems to be mostly concerned with spreading his genes. He's at 12 children now.
On the flip side he's a horrible and absent father so he seems to think that the only thing a man contributes that affects the children is his sperm.
This is what I see a lot of from Elon supporters - holding him to a much lower standard than themselves. You say you have a similar situation, but then you still recognize that Putin is utter and complete shit. Well, Elon doesn't and uses his child's transition as an excuse to believe all sorts of horrible things. You can feel free to look down on him and would be correct to do so.
Here's an idea - try some empathy instead of whatever this "it sure shifted me to a conservative direction.." bullshit is.
It's not really all that believable that any normal person would behave like you say you did, but in case you're actually serious I feel sorry for your child. Nobody deserves shit like that from their own parents.
"Shifted me to a conservative direction" is just a euphemism for "I'm a bad person, and parent" in this case
Right, because "shifting towards a conservative direction" means getting more tolerant...oh wait.
No. Do you have a serious case of anger management issues? You sure sound like it.
"I truly don't want to.." yeah I bet you really don't want to.
How in the ever loving fuck would being a supportive and loving parent to your child be "extremely stressful?"
Bro holy shit, you are so close to realizing that you might just be wrong, and instead you double down?
There's no way Musk personally sent Kadryov a cybertruck. And Kadyrov is under sanctions so I doubt that would be legal anyways.
He's said nothing about it on his twitter, instead doing the usual boosting of misinformation about US politics. The silence says a lot.
Dude there's no way he mailed Kadyrov a cybertruck, the fact that he did not explicitly deny it doesn't mean much at all. It's not like he's been dodging questions about it, it's just one of many things he hasn't commented on. The article from The Independent says Kadyrov thanked Musk for inventing the vehicle.
That reporting is inaccurate if so. If you follow the Ukrainian news story link in the OP, you can click on the link to Kadyrov's Telegram post and machine translate it or ask a Russian speaker translate its first sentence. It literally says "received from Musk".
I think that's just a figure of speech, like if I order something from Amazon I could say "Bezos just sent me this"
Thank goodness we've armed the Ukrainians with our finest puddles and small hills. Just in time for winter too....
isn't that arming an enemy of the state ? is that legal?
I mean, Musk is so stupid that he probably doesn't even realize he's helping the Ukrainians.
A lot of hyperchargers on the front lines I imagine
That's only because Ukraine is winning this week. A few months ago when Ukraine was losing Musk wanted Ukraine to surrender.
Against Ukraine. This is on brand for Musk.
And if true, wouldn't this be a breach of sanctions? Can't someone lock him up for this?
I mean yes how did he get it? Elon has broken sanctions.
Not even "just" against Ukraine. Kadyrov is pro-honour-killing, has advocated nuking Ukraine, claimed to be sending his own 14-year-old son to fight, and has been described by Human Rights Watch as being responsible for such widespread torture that it is a crime against humanity.
I can't wait to see the Ukrainian video of them drone striking this piece of shit lol. Assuming they even bother and it doesn't just die on the side of the road on the way to anywhere.
Why bother drone striking it when even lower caliber rifle rounds will tear right through it ?
Rifle rounds sadly don't have FPV cameras.
A stainless steel monstrosity, perfect camouflage.
Can you imagine how that thing will look like after a single day on actual rugged terrain?
The "Help! I've fallen and can't get up!" commercial pops to mind.
Great. We can just arm Ukraine with some Super Soakers to take care of that real easy.
Lol, that’s even more useless than their pop off tanks.
Panels on that vehicle are quite literally glued on and its off-road capabilities are abysmal... Enjoy getting stuck in tall grass
A Toyota Hilux is more suited for combat than that piece of shit.
That thing will last about a second. Then it'll be smashed by a baseball and explode.
They won't even blow it up. They'll just shoot the driver and then sell it.
If this is true then it's only a matter of time for the collapse in Tesla sales and any commercial venture linked to Musk.
Hope it auto-pilots him into a landmine or the battery explodes. Both, preferably
Well. That's, uh. Certainly one way to do a marketing stunt. Giving a free car to a second rate genocidal dictator asskisser.
Assuming that Musk actually had a hand in it and it isn't just Kadyrov playing up a truck he bought second hand to make himself seem more important. Not that Elon isn't shitty, but I'm not sure if Kadyrov is notable enough for the guy to personally send him presents.
They previously had a public exchange in the vein of Musk and Zuckerberg challenging each other to a fight, so it could be either.
Can we seize Space X and Tesla paid with tax payer's funds? Force him to sale, I don't give a shit what it is. A national resource is in the hands of a extreme far right Putin/Jinping/ Bin Salman puppet. This man has way to much power.
Jingping is his first name, Xi is his second name. The Chinese have their second name before their first name. So you mean Putin/Xi/Bin Salman.
I'm just being pedantic here, I have no other purpose. Carry on 🤣
Elon Musk
Aspiring Military Target
Russia is resorting to cyberjunks now? Lmao
Setting an alert now for "FPV drone takes out cybertruck".
"The drone's explosive didn't go off, but when we rammed the drone into the window the trunk caught on fire."
Cybertruck for the Chechen Cuck
I hate that word so much. The_Donald scarred me.
The irony is that there's no bigger example of cuckery than simping for a corrupt traitor to your country
Clown buys clown car. No surprise here. lol
Ukraine is training with water guns in preparation.
How is this not providing aid and succor to our enemies?
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 says:
It's a fairly narrow definition. I haven't found any cases where the USSC defines "enemy" but, given the preceding sentence, it looks like the heavily implied definition is, "Members of a nation that is at war with the United States."
Officially, the US has only been at war 5 times. The last one was WW II.
The US has extensive sanctions against Russia and Putins associates and many violators have already been prosecuted.
The US has specific sanctions against Ramzan Kadyrov and if Musk violated any of them he could be prosecuted for sanctions violations.
That would be separate from a prosecution under "succor to the enemy". As near as I can tell, that only comes into effect under the very specific case of declared wars and that sanctions alone, aren't sufficient.
Because Russia is not the enemy of the United States, its the enemy of Ukraine. At least that's what I assume the answer is.
They will take advantage of Ukraine's extensive supercharger network. That's a good idea. He should send all cybertrucks there.
Is this better for !shittytechnicals or !noncredibledefense?
Yes
What was that? Aiding and abetting America's enemies?
Let’s hope it rains wherever he goes.
Or has a slight incline.
What's the definition of Treason, again?
Just sanction his companies and freeze his assets. Traitor.
I want to see this thing hit a mine
Bonus points if the Cybertruck hits a mine too
I'm not sure what I expected the inside to look like, but holy shit. These things get worse every fucking time I see one
This video would be considerably shorter but even funnier with cybertrucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuwwCsUyheg
What even was the point of that scene lmao
Are there many charging stations around a battlefield?
can't wait for new tiktoks
I can't wait to see it in some drone footage
Lol omg no.
Wow. Just wow, don.
Doooooo iiiiiiiiit