Russian soldiers dressed as civilians sighted in occupied Kursk region
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I wish I was surprised
Hmm.
I'm not sure that that is correct.
It sounds like the restriction may be that you cannot act out-of-uniform to "kill, injure, or capture" an adversary, but can do so to gather information and the like.
However, if caught out of uniform, someone also loses Geneva Convention protections for prisoners of war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruse_de_guerre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy
https://en.idi.org.il/media/6191/combatants_dressed_as_civilians.pdf
EDIT: The above distinction pointing out that the prohibition on use of perfidy specifically to capture is not customary international law -- that is, binding on everyone, regardless of what treaties they are party to -- and only affects states party to Additional Protocol I shouldn't apply to Russia, as Russia is a state party to Protocol I.
So I'd expect Russia can probably have soldiers legally act out of uniform, but if captured, they will not receive the protections the Geneva Convention affords people with POW status, and if they act out of uniform to kill, injure, or capture Ukrainians, this will be a war crime violating one or both of customary international law or the Geneva Conventions.
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EDIT4: Misread Wikipedia; it looked like WP had said that Russia had revoked ratification of Protocol I in 2019, but in fact, they revoked an associated statement attached to the ratification. So Protocol I's prohibition on acting out of uniform to capture Ukrainians does indeed apply in Russia's case.
This is the rationale behind gitmo imprisonment. The combatants where out of uniform and not soldiers, therefore not afforded the treatment reserved for enemy soldiers.
What subsequently happens in gitmo is unacceptable, but not following the Geneva convention was about these points.
Another one, huh?
Yeah, I thought it was ok to violate international law now?
It apparently is if you're Russia or Israel. And you could rope in America and China too.
Russia has violated the geneva convention more times than it has followed it
Or, as they call it in Russia, just another Thursday.
That's cool. Means Ukraine doesn't have to burden itself with housing and feeding them when they surrender.
"Russian military units were also spotted wearing civilian clothes in the Kursk region" I'm seeing a whole lot of statement here but not a whole lot of confirmation.
Spotted wearing civilian clothes? What does that mean? Doesn't that just imply they saw civilians?
I guess I'm struggling to find the bit of info that explains how they knew these are Russian troops. ELI5?
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Confirmed by Wikipedia. No MBFC or AllSides rating, though their Wiki page lists numerous awards they've won. There are many articles about the Russian government shutting them down after the invasion. Here's one from Reuters. Many of their journalists have been murdered by Putin's regime. Anna Politkovskaya's murder is maybe the most infamous.