Teenager killed in food court gunfight in Washington shopping mall
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.. or as republicans say, Tuesday.
“‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says the Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.”
— The Onion
Is it too soon to talk about gun law reforms?
We had a shooting in the USA in the last 24 hours, how insensitive of you to raise the topic
Yes, let's discuss how unnecessary they are after all the shooting stops
What would you like to see? Washington has a lot of gun control.
So does nearly every country with extremely low gun violence rates. Now, tell us that doesn't count for some reason.
Yeah but here in France there was a mass shooting in Paris during the terrorist attack of 2015 (like, almost yesterday but 9 years ago), and Trump had a great speech about it during a (NRA?) conference when he said that it wouldn't have happened if we had guns! Very smart, MIT and stuff, but no shark, no, sharks bad!
So what gun control do you think we should enact? It is a direct question. No need to be passive aggressive.
Obviously anything I say will be invalidated for some reason or other. Can we skip to the part where you say that other countries have policies that would never work here?
If you don't want to discuss it, why post?
If you would never accept any regulation against guns, why would you pretend to be curious about them?
Who says I would never accept them? Your assumptions are poor. We have a lot of gun laws that the public and legislature have passed that seem to have missed the point because we copy a lot of what California does instead of focusing on effective means of stopping violence.
You need gun control everywhere in the country. Unfortunately it’s too easy for people to just buy them in the next town and drive them in. That is not a reason to keep letting it happen, of course, but it is why “[city/state] does have laws and there are still problems” arguments are kinda worthless.
And then you gotta wait a long-ass time because even cutting off supply there are already more guns than people in the U.S.. Best time to plant a tree and all that means ya’ll need to hurry.
So you would want a near ban on all guns? Just curious what you mean by gun control everywhere.
One thing that I'm sure will come out of this story is the gun is stolen. Washington has safe storage laws, but if you report your gun stolen, you are not liable for any crimes committed with it. It happened when a man shot a mother and child in Seattle and the original owner was okay because he reported it stolen. The government should be prosecuting these negligent gun owners.
I mean, that’d be cool with me. And for context I used to have a restricted license(Canadian) that allowed me to own pistols and the like. I enjoy shooting plenty but not at this cost.
I mean “everywhere” because of exactly what I’ve already said. If you ban handguns in Chicago but all someone has to do to get around that is drive out of the city and purchase it in a small town a couple hours away then what’s the point? There are plenty of ways around it at various levels of control when there’s such easy access closeby. We can all agree that strip-searching every car entering Chicago would be insane so the other option is to just not have the guns in the first place.
The point about it probably being stolen doesn’t really change anything. With this many firearms and relying on individuals to be 100% perfect there’s bound to be slip-ups and shady people spreading the weapons all over. You’re right that people should be prosecuted for not securing their weapons but what if they do and a thief just happens to be good enough or lucky enough to take the stuff anyway?
It’s a hobby but so many people have made it their damned personality that they’re willing to saturate their country with them and allow children to die at alarming rates so they can do something 100% optional. If people want to hunt they can use a fuckin’ bow.
Clearly it’s working as intended
Not enough to curb the fetish, apparently.
Is that why there are kids having a gunfight in a mall?
So it is too soon to talk about gun reform laws since you obviously don't want to. Got it.
I was taking about gun law reforms.
Not gun reform laws.
Best I've got are law reform guns or reform law guns. Take it or leave it.
Either way, you're not ready to talk about it.
I’m always open to talking about reforming America’s shitty gun laws.
What they mean is that you're not ready to concede a bunch of bullshit NRA talking points
Alderwood Mall? That's the nicer one! If it were the Everett Mall, I'd be unsurprised, but Alderwood? That's wild.
You mix teenagers and guns and it doesn't really matter how nice the mall is.
As the parent of a teenager, I know exactly how moody they can get and how quickly their moods can change from happy to "I will fucking kill a motherfucker." I wouldn't give a teenager a gun in a million years.
The minimum age of enlistment should give you nightmares.
The idea of mandatory enlistment gives me nightmares. But also the fact that you can be old enough to kill but not old enough to be trusted with alcohol or tobacco. That is just ludicrous on the face of it. This nation is a madhouse.
But only a good teenager with a gun can stop a bad teenager with a gun.
The KFC needs a machinegun nest, and Dunkin should keep some landmines in those donut trays.
But would you give 1 million teenagers to one gun for a year?
Ask Putin
I thought it was going to be Tacoma for sure.
How sad that this was neither shocking nor surprising and got absolutely no emotional response from me when I read the headline.
This isn't even the first incident this week. There is a rash of teen gun violence lately in the Seattle area. https://myeverettnews.com/2024/06/27/three-suspects-arrested-in-everett-after-teen-murder-in-seattle/
Same outlet has a better, less typo ridden article on the lynnwood murder too:
https://myeverettnews.com/2024/07/03/teenage-girl-shot-at-alderwood-mall/
Why do they have a statement from the investment firms's pr department? What does that add to the story? Wgaf what their thoughts are on the matter? It's really strange.
The ONLY ONLY ONLY way for this to have been Prevented was if SHE Killed the Gunman FIRST! And the ONLY ONLY ONLY way for HIM to prevent his own death was if he killed HER FIRST! So as a Pro Life Save The Children Republican I see NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER with this!
I've been to this place, ages ago. It was the kind of place you would bring a baby to without a second thought. Crazy that it's come to this.
What's crazy is someone saying "It's somewhere you'd bring a baby to without a second thought" about a fucking shopping mall
I'm not going to argue with you - living as we are car-free now in a walkable city it's unthinkable for me. But when I was in America, with a car and a baby, it made perfect sense. There were fewer viable third spaces (aside from parks, which is harder for an infant on a rainy day), and just about every viable third space (where we were) was built around car infrastructure.
All that to say you're not quite wrong, but there's nuance and the solutions are necessarily political.
I think they meant it's sad we're question the safety at all? Vs picking on you for going to a mall
I'm only from big cities. I love malls and parking lots as much as woods and mountains.
Nice of you to stand up for me and then casually say the craziest thing I've heard all week. Now how's that supposed to make me feel?
What was crazy? Wanting to escape civilization, and wanting to be a basic bitch, without mutual exclusivity?
You do you. Malls turn my brain into used coffee grounds, and parking lots are an affront to Thoreau's god.
Hehehe I hear you. Took drivers ed in Manhattan and 30 years of 3 to 4 hrs of public transit. Honda at a mall is like rolling coal for me and I'm relishing it lol
Edit: TBH as much as I'm being cute, malls don't make me hate my life as much now that they're empty
Even Everett mall is nice, I'm really surprised to be reading about this.
What a shameful waste of a beautiful life for that young girl.
gUnS dOn'T kIlL pEoPlE, pEoPlE kIlL pEoPlE....
Maybe we need the right to bear people.
I am already more deadly than a bear according to this site.
Only if they are convicted first, not everyone can own people these days
Shhhh, you’re supposed to say “incarcerated individuals leased to public and private companies”
Student athletes!