This is what USA was built on
No amount of whitewashing is going to fix that. Almost half of them in-fact celebrate it.
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Let me guess, it's their "heritage" that they want to preserve. All 4 years of it - slavery adoring traitors.
Yep. Andrew Clyde is a fuckin asshole and always has been. He owns a gun store that he made look like a fortress and it's half the reason anyone even voted for him.
That building looks so unbelievably silly
Not sure if it's there anymore, but there used to be a tank or other armored vehicle out front
I love pointing out that the 8-year-long Obama administration is a much bigger part of their heritage.
This is why monuments glorifying horrors shouldn’t just be taken down, they should be completely destroyed
I understand your sentiment but don't you think they would do the world more good in an exhibit or museum that explains the cultural context? Those who forget are doomed etc.
Generally I would say yes but a lot of confederate monuments were made after the war so aren't so much history but an attempt to rewrite it to make themselves look more favorable.
Well let's.give that context in then
Robert E Lee statues exist despite Lee stating he believes no statues of the Confederacy should be built and all should be torn down, as historically he recognized that it only sows division and takes a country longer to heal from.
All such statues (especially of him) would clearly be an act to not allow the country to heal quickly.
"Museum of Racist Bullshit Erected A Century Later To Give Segregation An Illusion Of Nobility"
Personally that feels like a slippery slope to me. I agree destroying history just because it has become distasteful is not a good solution. At the same time museum context is not always as good as it should be. It is often written by someone who doesn't have any personal experience.
The cultural context was that it was put in the cemetery by butthurt Southerners over 50 years after the war.
Like all of these other "my heritage!!!" monuments that were put up in the 20th century.
It belongs in a history museum as much as a statue of Hitler some Neo-Nazi carved today belongs in one.
While I see your point, I fear that even in the context of a museum they would become targets of pilgrimage for people who missed the glory days.
What if it had never been built to begin with?
That would be preferable.
History is written by the winners. Get bent confederates.
Check the totals, wasn't even close.
Here is how these things work:
Congressmen are not completely stupid, with 3 or 5 notable exceptions. The GOP knew they were losing this vote. They didn't try to pass anything. Hell, many, maybe most, either don't care or don't even want the cursed thing back.
This is pure virtue signaling for their constituents. How many of the GOP "nay" votes do you figure are solid seats with no chance of getting primaried? How many "yea" voters were worried about being called out in a campaign ad? Be interesting to analyze.
As to what that says about GOP voters, go nuts in the comments and remember to like and subscribe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Memorial_(Arlington_National_Cemetery)
The monument
Talented guy!
Honestly, it's not as bad as I expected. It's one of those ones with a big angel on top, and then a bunch of scenes around the base, and I'm assuming the problematic bits are just among the scenes somewhere.
I'm not saying it should be restored, but it's not like it's a statue of only the bad stuff. I could see how someone who doesn't really care could look at the picture from afar and go "what!? They took down a commemorative grave monument? Sacrilege!"
I guess what I'm saying is that it's not like they necessarily voted to put up a big statue of a slave, they voted to put up a statue with many figures, including a slave in it somewhere. Still probably best to leave it gone, though.
If I told you that there was a painting honoring fallen soldiers and they only hid a couple swastikas in it there would be no conversation to be had.
Your analogy is good but sadly you're mistaken about "there would be no conversation to be had." There's a part of the Wrong Wing party that would fight for it.
Immediately after talking about how any criticism of Israel is antisemitism.
This comment was written by someone whose family wasn't enslaved
When I was reading the description, this is the part that made me certain it needed to go:
So basically, anti slavery pleased God but pro slavery pleased Cato which would be a reference to all people with moral integrity in this case.
My interpretation is correct?
While the modern monotheistic God is thought of as inherently good and right, the Greek gods were frequently bad and immoral. I think the implication is that though fate or whatever powers that be made them lose, they were right and moral.
Oh that's right, I hadn't thought about the morals of the Greek gods being questionable, but it still implies that the creator saw slavery as being moral, which is pretty sick...
Somewhere? Marching into fucking battle on behalf of the Confederacy.
You're arguing in favor of the equivalent of a mural that shows a Jew fighting on the Nazi front lines.
I like civil war monuments that aren't monuments to losers
Arlington National Cemetery was famously Robert E. Lee's estate before the war. So exactly when was this monument ever in the cemetery, and why did it get in in the first place?
https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial
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I just started watching gone with the wind and 15 minutes in I am already revolted by the depiction of a little girl fanning the 'ladies' while these get a nap.
I understand the context of slavery, I sort of understand when they show the full force of the people picking cotton (which was disgusting as well) and I remember to myself, it's their own time, it already happened. I can sort of add a parallel and re contextualize it as if they are adult "workers", which they are not because I'm pretty sure lot of them were minors
When they show the woman having to serve these people for life, and worry about their kids as if they were hers, because her life depended on it, same thing, one can try to add a similar likeness to a "Nanny", which again she is not
But the little girl having her future just written since before birth that's absolutely disgusting. Why should she be denied of a future built by herself, just to serve these pampered wenches?
I mean son of a fuck
I'll keep watching but holy hell HBO'S warning message before the movie started was on point
You being offended is why it’s important to show these things. You aren’t supposed to draw parallels to make it less off putting
It's the only way I can stomach it to keep watching
Would be a shame if it got vandalized
It's federal property. I'm not saying you shouldn't. But you'll face federal consequences and not state.
It absolutely astounds me that the federal government, the government that defeated the Confederacy, has a statue to commemorate their enemy in the war.
It'd be like having an Osama Bin Laden statue in NYC.
Thank you for showing the vote totals and heading off the "both sides" trolls.
Can we get a statue of a diapered 45 standing on a platform held up by the working class surrounded by the likes of people like Mike Johnson and bitch McConnell bending a knee to the fool.
Make sure McConnel is wearing his turtle shell.
Who are the 10 Democrats that didn’t vote?!?
1 or 2 I get, but 10???
There are 437 people who vote, some are bound to have other obligations. Also, Republicans consistently try to hold votes for their policies when they know democrats can't make it to vote. This was proven out when they tried to pass something horrible (as always) and a dude left the hospital so he could vote against it, which was followed by a chorus of republican crying because "he wasn't supposed to be there to vote against it!"
Republicans/Conservatives are the absolute worst people in history.