I remember the first time I went to an anime convention, and was SO EXCITED because they were going to host a DDR tournament!
Then I went into the room where the tournament was supposed to be held and almost died. They were routinely shutting down the room just to try to air it out, and were doing routine announcements of "I do not care if you think you do not smell. Everyone needs to go back to their hotel and shower before coming back. We are serious."
Turns out neurodivergent people think showering is what keeps them from smelling and refuse to regularly apply Anti-Perspirant.
Or worse, nobody ever told them 'Deodorant' lasts a whopping 2-4 hours compared to anti-perspirant. YMMV but most people aren't the lucky ones with great skin or genetics that don't make you rank like others who can last '48 hours' with one application...
Like flushable wipes, yes, it says it lasts 48 hours, it's bullshit. A few swipes in the morning in each pit, a few swipes every evening especially if you're even lightly active. That means light-moderate pressure swipes too. Not so hard you're leaving a visible layer which is why so many highschoolers shirts end up with white armpits, but not so softly that no material is literally coming off the cake. Reapplying more to already caked on pits is doing little. That means it's time to shower and put on less next time. And wait until your pits are fully dry!... then let the antiperspirant dry before tossing on a shirt and it'll help with that shirt crud.
Try smelling your pits a couple hours after getting out of a good shower without applying any. It's not the shower keeping most the stench off. It's antiperspirant.
And yes, we will smell when you didn't put any on Connor. Yes, we know you don't think you stink because you can't smell yourself. Yes, other people will always know when you smell. Air molecules travel at 500 meters per second.
Correct, you can't wear the same thin hoodie 24/7 for more than a few days without it smelling. Yes, you should change your underwear daily. Yes, jeans can be worn for a while before needing a wash. Your thin ass comfortable nylon/polyester sweat pants only last a day with your stank. Wash your clothes. Wash your bedding ideally once a week unless you use pajamas. Even then, at least wash your pillow case once a week.
Start the routine now or set an alarm on your phone then actually follow through.
There are ways to manage odor without antiperspirants, however they are even more work than just applying deodorant. Meaning they're functionally worthless when it comes to the trogs stinking up your average MTG tournament.
The rest is spot on, though, wash your stuff regularly and not only will you smell less - your skin should clear up too.
Oh for sure. And ideally everybody could be doing them too. I've gone green or at least more eco-friendly wherever my budget can allow, but genetics are a fickle bitch.
Some people are lucky with their genetics and don't have stank sweat, eat healthy food, don't have physically intensive jobs, so that homemade deodorant can work or a couple swipes of regular deodorant will last 24 hours (and they all say reapply as needed).
Is your skin complexion already 'bad'? Do you leave sweat stains on your bedding? Do you not have problems with breakouts from aluminum oxide? Do you eat bad and don't have the no stank sweat genes (east asian)? Chances are you need to change up your antiperspirant or deodorant routine if you still stink.
To be fair, deodorant can last longer than 2-4 hours if you don't stink. But most people doing a lot more than sitting are probably putting some wear on that 2 hour minimum.
I'd imagine one could stink as soon as 20 minutes after application if they are sweating.
The issue is that antiperspirant is generally considered bad for one's health, iirc, because it takes away the body's ability to cool itself. Now of course, I'm not defending the sort of person that generally gives not one fuck about the most basic measure of hygiene, but...
There are alternatives. Bad body odor is generally produced by the bacteria on your body which thrives and emits odor in the moisture of your sweat, so legitimately taking a shower or applying hand sanitizer to your armpits will help. Though, I dunno if applying like, a rubbing alcohol mixture to your pits would be a wise decision to do frequently since that's are pretty sensitive body part.
They need like, armpit probiotics, or something. Some sort of stick full of bacteria that smells like lemons or strawberries or something, and then just outbreeds the other bacteria. Somebody should do that, sounds awesome.
It depends on the kind of bacteria, too. Just like with your gut, having a healthy skin biome is important. Not just for odours but also for various skin conditions and infections. Having a healthy skin biome can be the difference between an infection taking hold and giving a nasty sore or dying off due to too much competition (or maybe even predation) without you noticing anything.
Part of it is cleaning the textiles that come in contact with your skin. Especially towels, though clothes and bedsheets are also important. Towels are important to clean properly because their whole job includes absorbing water. Always hang them so that they can dry properly. But even with that, the frequency of them getting wet means bacteria or fungus can start to thrive over time. You can smell it when this happens, it's one of the nasty BO smells. Let those get established on your towels and they'll transfer that life to your hands or body whenever you use them. I use bleach with my loads of towels/washcloths (which also means they'll go longer before they do start to stink, too).
I've come to believe that for those who often stink but do shower regularly that it might actually be their laundry practices causing the odours. Maybe there's some piece of clothing they don't wash regularly, like a coat or backpack, that is carrying the stink. Or maybe they aren't washing their clothes effectively. A little bit of bleach once in a while can help with that, too. You don't need much bleach to sanitize things and most clothing won't fall apart or lose colour from one exposure. Air drying in direct sunlight could also help with that, since UV light can also sanitize. Also, don't leave your clothes in the washer for a while before drying them. You're sometimes better off not washing them at all than doing that.
And another reason why towels are important to maintain properly is that soap can mess with your skin's pH and make it more difficult for the healthy bacteria to survive. And using hand sanitizer is just blasting away the good and bad so that whatever is the most aggressive ends up taking its place (hence the higher potential for infections). If you blast all the competition away and then rub a towel full of bacteria on your skin right after, you shouldn't be surprised to discover you stink a short while later.
There's pre- and pro-biotic soap and lotions that can help support and replace healthy skin biomes.
If I don't wear antiperspiration my armpits start chaffing when I'm doing yard work or working out and have never overheated because the rest of my body is sweating, but maybe that's just me or something.
Except that what they call "Deodorant" doesn't really stop any odour but just adds a synthetic stink on top of the BO. Essentially, it's a perfume that, instead of giving a mild floral smell, is made to give off a smell strong enough to numb the sensory organs to BO.
Have enough of that in a venue just adds to air toxicity, which, at the same time, people are unable to realise, making it much worse than toxicity from natural BO.
Yes, I avoid all crowded places. I am not in Japan and would rather be late to work, waiting for the next train than take the train when it is too crowded.
That's just mutually assured destruction at events, plus all the bystanders in the area might get hit with a clinger BO. Unfortunately some of these curdled ballsacks do do it on purpose, like at smaller Smash tournaments. But are they really winning when their own community doesn't like them?
Man, thatd be super disappointing. I wish DDR was an active scene still, went with my kid to an arcade recently and for half a minute I thought they had DDR, but it was a copy cat that only had diagonal arrows and a center button (don't remember which, in the groove maybe). Luckily I have a metal pad and my PS2 still works.
I've heard this point a lot but given the fact that until the industrial age, most people had open flames in their kitchen and bedrooms so if i had to guess I'd guess most people smelled of woodsmoke.
A friend of mine in the military said when he was deployed and everyone starting stinking. He could be eating with a load of stinking guys. But he could smell if a woman came into the room.
I guess we aren't too far removed from the animals after all.
I assume the article is going for “we should be okay with body odor” which feels very granola. Not everyone needs deodorant, but many do if they don’t want to smell. Antiperspirant can be bad for your body, but deodorant should do the trick for most, by masking the sweat smell with their preferred scent.
The article is screen grabbed and cropped to remove the context and increase outrage. It's actually about debunking all natural deodorants claims about detoxing.
I think body odor has an evolutionary reason to exist, and that reason applies to prehistoric humans living in small gather hunterer societies of <150 people only. Whatever that reason was, is not necessary for our survival in modern society where you meet thousands of people over your lifetime and run into new strangers constantly.
I dont think body odor ever played an evolutionary role. As far as I know body odor is caused by bacterias eating and multiplying whenever we sweat. If this is the case body odor is here because we sweat which isnt that common within the animal kingdom.
(Although dont quote me on any of this, this is just what I seem to remember and Im lazy to look it up - tldr i might be lying)
I'm absolutely not an anthropologist, but if we evolved in small <100 person communities, often settling near water, I'd imagine keeping everyone relatively stank-free wouldn't have been impossible.
Not everything is an evolved functional trait, like the first poster was saying.
Loosing our hair and getting greasy was a functional adaptation. That grease getting stinky is just a byproduct that didn't introduce a negative selection pressure.
Evolution doesn't have a plan, it just takes the shortest path towards better that doesn't make things worse.
Giraffes have a nerve that runs from their brain, down to their torso, then back up to the top of their neck. There's no reason or benefit to this, it's purely because when what the nerve runs to evolved in reptiles, it was at the top of the torso. Neck gets longer, nerve follows since there's no pressure to select against stupid nerve layout.
There's a species of toad that evolved to become so small that their ear bones can't actually pick up the sound of their species mating chirp. They still chirp, but none of them can hear it, and instead they signal based on seeing the motion of chirping.
Nope, evolution is chaos. The current planet is the output of a chaotic system. You seriously think koalas play an evolutionary role? Platypus? Hell even humans have about 20 design flaws. Sometimes nature just threw shit at a wall and called it "good enough."
I'm a guy who showers daily and tries to make sure I don't smell (breath and body). Today, however, I am off from work and only washed my face. I've had that not so fresh feeling all day.
I'm going to take shower right now.
edit - shower complete. also, i was trying to quote ghostbusters in the beginning but messed up it. it should have been "I looked at the comments, Ray".
I'm in the minority, even among the people I associate with offline, but I'm concerned about the shit that's in everything. Anything I put on or in my body. That also includes things I put on my dog or the food I give him. If I see/smell someone treated their lawn recently I don't let him walk on their grass because I know he'll lick his paws later and get sick.
I don't think it's mental gymnastics I think it's a lack of actual gymnastics, so to speak. Body odor mostly comes from sweating so if you don't sweat much you don't need deodorant near as much. Someone with a healthy body weight living a largely sedentary lifestyle in a cooler climate might not need it at all and might smell perfectly fine with showers every other day or even every third day. However, that's best case scenario and most people don't check all those boxes. If you're overweight, move around a lot, or just live in a warmer climate then that's not going to work.
I'm using shampoo for hair, though only because I think a lot of filth that's flying around in cities (and dust in rooms) collects there (and it gets itchy).
But as a counter example: I washed my feet with soap a long time ago and had constantly issues with fungal infection there. Then I stopped that (and only use water) and never had these issues again...
It's some gene that is mostly present in asians compared to whites, blacks, etc, my friend group has one individual that said he didn't use it, and he's black, everyone else will smell sour if stopped.
i mean it doesnt have to be anime conventions its usually any kind of gathering where said yopic. of convention has a gathering of introverts, in particular, ones that have 0 sense of self awareness.
in terms of worst to less worse:
Card game tournament(sweaty, generally lack of AC, small venue cause cheap) < Video Game tournament (similar but in a room full of electronics, usually helped out by that their venue is larger) < anime conventions
Well, it's not only that, a lot of people are wearing costumes, that may or may not cause them to sweat far more than their normal day. A friend of mine wore a costume that involved a dress shirt and a coat, and Sept isn't really cold in GA. He used menthol to cover for his sweat though, so it wasn't too bad with him. My last costume (several years ago, I dunno where all the stuff is and can't afford to remake atm) involved dress shirt, a vest, and a heavy coat (trying to emulate this character) and it was hot as hell, especially in lines outside in the sun.
Even with baths and deodorant for some people in such situations it's not really enough.
ofc the cosplays have an effect as well, but theyre typically the minority at a convention vs those playing TCGs or Video games, who are often the majority.
the triple threat funny moment was San Jose 2016. Genesis 3 (Super smash bros tournament) took place at the same time and venue as Furcon, as well as a female volleyball tournament, all 3 generating sweat differently.
I did read the article. They go into the history of modern deodorant and antiperspirant and the marketing of them. They talk about how antiperspirant is safe to use but the narrative that it causes cancer keeps growing regardless of what scientists say. They also relate having conducted an experiment with deodorant instead of antiperspirant and how many people could probably get away with just deodorant.
At no point do they say we should abandon all hygiene.
All natural deodorants and antiperspirants ARE scams. Regular deodorants are what pretty much everyone needs, regular antiperspirants don't get rid of odor and stopping your sweat glands is probably fucking terrible for the human body.
'Cept deodorant does nothing to remove the stench from the weirdos that don't wipe their ass after taking a shit, which is a large bulk of people at the conventions I've been to. 🤢
as a gay, I take some undeserved pride in being so terrifying to straight conservatives that many of them started walking around with poop on their butt because they're scared if they touch their b-hole they're suddenly gonna "break" and go gay
There were a couple small studies that raised concerns about aluminum in antiperspirants. Larger higher quality studies found no issues.
There are no real antiperspirant ingredients in the product you linked. Zinc oxide is a mild astringent which could possibly reduce sweating but if it does at all it's not by much. Microbial claims around silver in deodorant are dubious at best. No studies have shown it to be particularly effective at inhibiting odor causing bacteria. Anyone with BO will stink on top of the smell of deodorant.
The product doesn't claim to be an antiperspirant, and it's not. It also doesn't have any fragrance for deodorant.
I recommended the product because it works for me better and longer than anything else I have ever tried. I still sweat, but even 8 hours after working out, my underarms still don't smell when using this stuff.
During the winter, if I wasn't particularly active, It would last 4 days.
You don't need to personally attack me. I'm sharing my experience in the hopes it helps others. I'm not paid by the company or anyone else. I have no secret agenda.
Are you talking about the nuud stuff or the "gluing glands" stuff? Because if it's the latter, I'm not convinced that it doesn't harm or "put something in the body."
Ooh, haven’t heard of this. I’ve been using a regular deodorant without anti perspiration the last few months and… it’s ok. But now that it’s getting hotter, I reach for the old aluminum stick if I have to go into the office.
I bought this (impulse buy, but on sale!) and we’ll see how it goes! My wife will tell me if it’s not working :)
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it! I wish I had known about it sooner. I had tried aluminium antiperspirant, non-aluminium deodorant, the crystal, and charcoal paste, and none of it worked as well for me or made it through the day.
The biggest complaint I have with the nuud is that I have to wash it off my hands after applying.
The article gets quite a lot right. Both sets of products are solving problems that didn't exist, and create problems that very much do. These range from psycho-social problems to physical environmental problems.
The answer is don't buy either. But that means being ok with being able to smell one another. That would be a return to the default state of probably a million years. But how are we all going to do that at the same time over night?
I didn't say don't use anything, I said it's valid to decide not use products marketed as "deodorant" and "Antiperspirant". It's not like I follow that advice. I wear deodorant, and aftershave. But I have experimented with not wearing any, and using "eco" ones.
What I am saying is that I do agree with what is in the article, which is summarised as both products have created a false problem, and used that to create a market.
And it isn't at all like AC. Humans smell. It's not a completely negative thing to me. I don't want a completely sanitised olfactory experience. If you wash daily, most of the time, Antiperspirant isn't needed. But depends on what you are doing and what the climate is. In temperate conditions, I can go a day without smelling any different, without deodorant on. It changes when the weather is hot, and if I do strenuous exercise. But you can just wash more often.
What I've found is that certain soaps change the situation, as does what I eat. Garlic and Cumin seems to have a significant effect.
Nope. Wear your deodorant. It was invented because it makes people smell more recently cleaned, which has always been more hygienic and therefore more appealing. The problems do exist absent of culture and marketing.
You're not comparing apples to apples when you compare the worst and most overpowering body spray to "Slight body-smell".
And you smell less after establishing a no-deodorant routine. You still smell, and a lot at that. Diet isn't going to get rid of that. People still notice and you still stink.
You still smell, and a lot at that. Diet isn’t going to get rid of that. People still notice and you still stink.
I haven't said that I don't smell at all, but just using water, and avoiding stale-sweat (by washing with water, which is rather effective).
But I wouldn't consider it a lot, at least not, when the people aren't like really close, or straight up sniff my armpits ^^
Maybe worth adding, is that I almost exclusively wear merino-wool shirts, which likely helps further reducing BO
Yeah, my experiences during COVID when I couldn't leave the house and stopped wearing deodorant is that the smell doesn't become less. I didn't wear deodorant for over a month and it was the same.
Have you tried just using just water while washing armpits? This had by far the greatest effect of reducing BO for me. I mean it's still there, but not that it concerns me most of the time, I'm also sometimes washing armpits with water during the day, when I'm sweating more than usual.
So what you're telling me is, the solution to stop bacteria from producing smells is to let it multiply and thrive? Everyone who has ever given me the advice you're giving me stinks of BO. Our ancestors stank. You're not producing less stank, you're just getting used to it.
Well the "stink" is AFAIK produced by bacteria etc. after sweating, i.e. stale sweat.
AFAIK fresh sweat has a somewhat arousing effect on the opposite gender.
I guess, when you're not constantly drying out your skin by washing all the body fats away, it just needs to produce less body fluid to nurture the skin etc. which leads to less stink, because it can be washed away quite effectively (but less so the body fats) by just using water (not as effective as with soap etc. though, but it takes maybe 2 hours or so and then I'm stinking when using soap, btw. counter-example to that I'm getting used to the stink). I also think the different composition of the skin flora may add to that.
Before you're judging, have you tried washing the skin with just water (my skin health has improved since using only water on the body, and I have rather sensitive skin)?.
I'm no expert, but there's a chance you're just getting used to the smell (Of course everybody is a little different and some people barely smell and others, like myself, have quite a strong smell). Which, ironically is kind of the point. I believe before deodorant people had ways to make themselves smell nicer, but I don't think they had anything that completely stops the BO like deodorant does for such a long period of time. So, I guess it kind of did solve a problem that didn't exist, because people normally would smell.
On the other hand, at this point most of modern society likes when people do not smell like BO, So I will be continuing to use deodorant.
true, perfume etc. is nothing new, probably older than cultivating plants.
chance you’re just getting used to the smell
Maybe slightly, but as soon as I'm using soap, I quickly notice stink after a short time after showering as counter-example.
I think the body just has use less fluid to nurse the skin after washing with just water, and than there's a slightly different skin-flora I think.
I sometimes use DIY deo (basically soda+coconut-oil) when I'm noticing stink, but rarely, that works quite well, while being somewhat neutral in smell.
most of modern society likes when people do not smell like BO
I'm not so sure about that. Probably not a strong stale-sweat BO, but there are studies, where fresh sweat had IIRC a strong arousing effect on the opposite gender. I guess it quite depends on the BO...
I may not be the norm, but I'm somewhat opposed to most of the often penetrant deo smell. I also would consider my sense of smell rather sensitive (I hate the fumes of motorcycles and cars in the road-traffic, and often hold breath there)
I appreciate the advice, but I already do wear deodorant. I guess whether they are problems or not is subjective. I'm not convinced that being sanitised is a good thing. Microbiome of the skin is a thing. Being more hygienic and therefore more appealing is also subjective. Hygienic isn't high up on my list of qualities of value. Obviously, there's a threshold and everyone has a different value for it.
But that means being ok with being able to smell one another.
I worked for an international company and during the company retreat, HR had to gently tell a few people to wear deodorant.
Not trying to shit on cultures and countries that don't believe in it, but it smelled like a teenage locker room had sex with a mtg convention. Even the hippy developers were disgusted.
I know that the ones that don't shower don't use deodorant either (or it just stops working after some time...) but you can definitely smell when showering regularly.
Yes, I'm not arguing that. There's a whole lot of emphasis on "propere hygiene", it's not just "showering a lot".
Sometimes excessive showering can cause your skin to lose it's "natural" properties and bad bacteria might set up colonies, and then the overt showering will keep the natural skin balance from balancing itself.
Also, diet affects one a lot.
I don't think everyone who sweats, smells. And some sweat smells straight up good. (Again, given proper hygiene, and this good sweat smell is usually connected to intimate activities.)
Yeah, they ignore that frigging Egyptians who bathed daily and invented cosmetics and soap, also invented perfume and toothbrushing, and incense, and also had deodorants. Over 4 thousand years ago.
No its not true, there where products masking bodily smells thousands of years. Idk what you are talking about. But i have to say, if you show up unshowered and without deodorant ata fucking con and im near you i will puke all over you.
There is a distinct difference between the smell of freshly generated sweat, and dried sweat mixed with all of the other accumulated filth one accrues when they don’t regularly shower.
The first time I went to pax, the whole convention stank like stale pizza. Like at a mall next to a Sbarro's. Problem was, there was no food court or restaurants at pax... It's all the greasy gamer stink.
Yeah, there's a reason they aren't scientists. Like, who tf quotes a Future Proof video unironically. They are the idiot's idea of an intelligent video.
It wasn't so much "not mind" as it was "put up with" since there was no real alternative for the average person. Also, there's the remarkable ability of the human brain to filter out inputs it deems unnecessary. Bad smells that are a constant presence end up being filtered out.
People have been cleaning themselves for essentially forever. Bathing was not as common as it is today, but we know people have been washing their hands, feet and face regularly for many thousands of years.
Cleanliness features very heavily in religion dating back thousands of years, and the earliest soap recipe is from ~2500BC, although we know they were making at scale hundreds of years before then.
Wells to make water available in places where there's no stream or river date back even further to the ~8000s BC.
Most people weren't rocking perfumed soaps and immersion in hot water, but washing your clothes with a homemade soap, scrubbing your feet, hands and face with cold water and a rag every day or so and likewise your body roughly weekly was available to most people at a minimum. If you were near a river or body of water, like humans tend to prefer to live, washing your feet, hands and face every morning and a weekly scrub was perfectly comfortable.
Primates are generally very conscious of grooming. Humans are unique in regularly washing with water, but we're also unique in being nearly hairless, remarkably greasy, and clever. It tracks that we'd figure out the water thing pretty fast.
I don’t know, bad smells are not filtered for an evolutionary reason. Sure you work at a bakery and the amazing smell of bread is filtered by day 2 never to be smelled again, but i had to bunk under a mfkr in the military who was under shower supervision, and yet still had a mark on him from that time someone dropped an alcohol pad on his arm. My brain didn’t filter shit, as in the smell of.
I remember the first time I went to an anime convention, and was SO EXCITED because they were going to host a DDR tournament!
Then I went into the room where the tournament was supposed to be held and almost died. They were routinely shutting down the room just to try to air it out, and were doing routine announcements of "I do not care if you think you do not smell. Everyone needs to go back to their hotel and shower before coming back. We are serious."
I didn't enter the tournament.
What's the point of showering if the dont wash their clothes
Well just dont wear any. Problem solved.
Turns out neurodivergent people think showering is what keeps them from smelling and refuse to regularly apply Anti-Perspirant.
Or worse, nobody ever told them 'Deodorant' lasts a whopping 2-4 hours compared to anti-perspirant. YMMV but most people aren't the lucky ones with great skin or genetics that don't make you rank like others who can last '48 hours' with one application...
Like flushable wipes, yes, it says it lasts 48 hours, it's bullshit. A few swipes in the morning in each pit, a few swipes every evening especially if you're even lightly active. That means light-moderate pressure swipes too. Not so hard you're leaving a visible layer which is why so many highschoolers shirts end up with white armpits, but not so softly that no material is literally coming off the cake. Reapplying more to already caked on pits is doing little. That means it's time to shower and put on less next time. And wait until your pits are fully dry!... then let the antiperspirant dry before tossing on a shirt and it'll help with that shirt crud.
Try smelling your pits a couple hours after getting out of a good shower without applying any. It's not the shower keeping most the stench off. It's antiperspirant.
And yes, we will smell when you didn't put any on Connor. Yes, we know you don't think you stink because you can't smell yourself. Yes, other people will always know when you smell. Air molecules travel at 500 meters per second.
Correct, you can't wear the same thin hoodie 24/7 for more than a few days without it smelling. Yes, you should change your underwear daily. Yes, jeans can be worn for a while before needing a wash. Your thin ass comfortable nylon/polyester sweat pants only last a day with your stank. Wash your clothes. Wash your bedding ideally once a week unless you use pajamas. Even then, at least wash your pillow case once a week.
Start the routine now or set an alarm on your phone then actually follow through.
E: Additions.
changing underwear daily was a fake problem invented by big underwear to sell more underwear and thanks to the patriarchy it has thrived
There are ways to manage odor without antiperspirants, however they are even more work than just applying deodorant. Meaning they're functionally worthless when it comes to the trogs stinking up your average MTG tournament.
The rest is spot on, though, wash your stuff regularly and not only will you smell less - your skin should clear up too.
Oh for sure. And ideally everybody could be doing them too. I've gone green or at least more eco-friendly wherever my budget can allow, but genetics are a fickle bitch.
Some people are lucky with their genetics and don't have stank sweat, eat healthy food, don't have physically intensive jobs, so that homemade deodorant can work or a couple swipes of regular deodorant will last 24 hours (and they all say reapply as needed).
Is your skin complexion already 'bad'? Do you leave sweat stains on your bedding? Do you not have problems with breakouts from aluminum oxide? Do you eat bad and don't have the no stank sweat genes (east asian)? Chances are you need to change up your antiperspirant or deodorant routine if you still stink.
To be fair, deodorant can last longer than 2-4 hours if you don't stink. But most people doing a lot more than sitting are probably putting some wear on that 2 hour minimum.
I'd imagine one could stink as soon as 20 minutes after application if they are sweating.
500m/s=1118mph. Seems unlikely
actually they're only slightly off. 3-400m/s
Though that's for individuals. The average is near 0, since they're all going in random directions, canceling each other out.
The stinky molecules move slower than oxygen but you get the point. This was calculated in the 1800s btw
https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Kinetics/03%3A_Rate_Laws/3.01%3A_Gas_Phase_Kinetics/3.1.02%3A_Maxwell-Boltzmann_Distributions
The issue is that antiperspirant is generally considered bad for one's health, iirc, because it takes away the body's ability to cool itself. Now of course, I'm not defending the sort of person that generally gives not one fuck about the most basic measure of hygiene, but...
There are alternatives. Bad body odor is generally produced by the bacteria on your body which thrives and emits odor in the moisture of your sweat, so legitimately taking a shower or applying hand sanitizer to your armpits will help. Though, I dunno if applying like, a rubbing alcohol mixture to your pits would be a wise decision to do frequently since that's are pretty sensitive body part.
They need like, armpit probiotics, or something. Some sort of stick full of bacteria that smells like lemons or strawberries or something, and then just outbreeds the other bacteria. Somebody should do that, sounds awesome.
It depends on the kind of bacteria, too. Just like with your gut, having a healthy skin biome is important. Not just for odours but also for various skin conditions and infections. Having a healthy skin biome can be the difference between an infection taking hold and giving a nasty sore or dying off due to too much competition (or maybe even predation) without you noticing anything.
Part of it is cleaning the textiles that come in contact with your skin. Especially towels, though clothes and bedsheets are also important. Towels are important to clean properly because their whole job includes absorbing water. Always hang them so that they can dry properly. But even with that, the frequency of them getting wet means bacteria or fungus can start to thrive over time. You can smell it when this happens, it's one of the nasty BO smells. Let those get established on your towels and they'll transfer that life to your hands or body whenever you use them. I use bleach with my loads of towels/washcloths (which also means they'll go longer before they do start to stink, too).
I've come to believe that for those who often stink but do shower regularly that it might actually be their laundry practices causing the odours. Maybe there's some piece of clothing they don't wash regularly, like a coat or backpack, that is carrying the stink. Or maybe they aren't washing their clothes effectively. A little bit of bleach once in a while can help with that, too. You don't need much bleach to sanitize things and most clothing won't fall apart or lose colour from one exposure. Air drying in direct sunlight could also help with that, since UV light can also sanitize. Also, don't leave your clothes in the washer for a while before drying them. You're sometimes better off not washing them at all than doing that.
And another reason why towels are important to maintain properly is that soap can mess with your skin's pH and make it more difficult for the healthy bacteria to survive. And using hand sanitizer is just blasting away the good and bad so that whatever is the most aggressive ends up taking its place (hence the higher potential for infections). If you blast all the competition away and then rub a towel full of bacteria on your skin right after, you shouldn't be surprised to discover you stink a short while later.
There's pre- and pro-biotic soap and lotions that can help support and replace healthy skin biomes.
Plus, nothing starts or ends a day like a good shower.
If I don't wear antiperspiration my armpits start chaffing when I'm doing yard work or working out and have never overheated because the rest of my body is sweating, but maybe that's just me or something.
Yeah that definitely varies from person to person.
Except that what they call "Deodorant" doesn't really stop any odour but just adds a synthetic stink on top of the BO. Essentially, it's a perfume that, instead of giving a mild floral smell, is made to give off a smell strong enough to numb the sensory organs to BO.
Have enough of that in a venue just adds to air toxicity, which, at the same time, people are unable to realise, making it much worse than toxicity from natural BO.
Yes, I avoid all crowded places. I am not in Japan and would rather be late to work, waiting for the next train than take the train when it is too crowded.
Exactly why I harped on the fact that Antiperspirant is the important part of the Deodorant combo...
Maybe it’s a strategy. Smell so bad your opponent can’t concentrate.
That's just mutually assured destruction at events, plus all the bystanders in the area might get hit with a clinger BO. Unfortunately some of these curdled ballsacks do do it on purpose, like at smaller Smash tournaments. But are they really winning when their own community doesn't like them?
Man, thatd be super disappointing. I wish DDR was an active scene still, went with my kid to an arcade recently and for half a minute I thought they had DDR, but it was a copy cat that only had diagonal arrows and a center button (don't remember which, in the groove maybe). Luckily I have a metal pad and my PS2 still works.
I've heard this point a lot but given the fact that until the industrial age, most people had open flames in their kitchen and bedrooms so if i had to guess I'd guess most people smelled of woodsmoke.
Swamp ass with hints of mesquite or a cherrywood smoke.
I've had some exes tell me they love the way I smell after a couple days camping, but also that I can't touch them because I am grimy.
Spend a week roughing it, or in a cabin away from running water, and you'll realize very quickly that smoke only sorta covers how bad humans can smell
If anything it mixes eventually and makes a whole new nasty
Woodsmoke doesn't smell unhygienic...actually many people like the smell
For the first few hours. Stale woodsmoke in your hair smell awful.
When everyone is used to it.
I love it. Sadly it's also carcinogenic
What isn't...
Death doesn't. Well, unless you're the one doing the embalming or applying makeup or making the coffin...
Yeah I love it. Sad to hear it is. Wonder where the state or synthetic chemistry is on it
A friend of mine in the military said when he was deployed and everyone starting stinking. He could be eating with a load of stinking guys. But he could smell if a woman came into the room.
I guess we aren't too far removed from the animals after all.
Back then people would stuff flowers in their shirts to cover up all the bad smells.
I assume the article is going for “we should be okay with body odor” which feels very granola. Not everyone needs deodorant, but many do if they don’t want to smell. Antiperspirant can be bad for your body, but deodorant should do the trick for most, by masking the sweat smell with their preferred scent.
The article is screen grabbed and cropped to remove the context and increase outrage. It's actually about debunking all natural deodorants claims about detoxing.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06/rise-of-all-natural-deodorants-not-necessary-sweating-antiperspirant.html
Are we gonna have a body odor acceptance movement to go along with the fat one?
I live in australia and catch PT in summer. No one should be ok with body odour.
I think body odor has an evolutionary reason to exist, and that reason applies to prehistoric humans living in small gather hunterer societies of <150 people only. Whatever that reason was, is not necessary for our survival in modern society where you meet thousands of people over your lifetime and run into new strangers constantly.
I dont think body odor ever played an evolutionary role. As far as I know body odor is caused by bacterias eating and multiplying whenever we sweat. If this is the case body odor is here because we sweat which isnt that common within the animal kingdom.
(Although dont quote me on any of this, this is just what I seem to remember and Im lazy to look it up - tldr i might be lying)
That doesn't exclude it having a purpose. A lot of our existence we owe to bacteria inhabiting our body
And a lot of what happens in evolution is passed down the generations not because it's useful but because it doesn't hinder reproduction.
Body odour does hinder reproduction, though.
But it doesn't though. Before people bathed consistently, everyone smelled. It wouldn't have been a factor in partner selection.
This is pretty presumptuous, as there appears to be a lot we can pick up about potential mates based on their body odor.
I'm absolutely not an anthropologist, but if we evolved in small <100 person communities, often settling near water, I'd imagine keeping everyone relatively stank-free wouldn't have been impossible.
There has been some research in this area pointing to being able to smell if someone is sick. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10550911/
Not everything is an evolved functional trait, like the first poster was saying.
Loosing our hair and getting greasy was a functional adaptation. That grease getting stinky is just a byproduct that didn't introduce a negative selection pressure.
Evolution doesn't have a plan, it just takes the shortest path towards better that doesn't make things worse.
Giraffes have a nerve that runs from their brain, down to their torso, then back up to the top of their neck. There's no reason or benefit to this, it's purely because when what the nerve runs to evolved in reptiles, it was at the top of the torso. Neck gets longer, nerve follows since there's no pressure to select against stupid nerve layout. There's a species of toad that evolved to become so small that their ear bones can't actually pick up the sound of their species mating chirp. They still chirp, but none of them can hear it, and instead they signal based on seeing the motion of chirping.
Nope, evolution is chaos. The current planet is the output of a chaotic system. You seriously think koalas play an evolutionary role? Platypus? Hell even humans have about 20 design flaws. Sometimes nature just threw shit at a wall and called it "good enough."
20? I can name hundreds...
Lol don’t be mad
Pretty sure body odor would have worked against them. Once a predator detects body odor of a human.. it knows that body odor belongs to human meat.
A lot of predators avoid humans though
I feel like feline predators seem more likely to approach regardless of the situation. By feline I mean like Bob cats, leopards, panthers etc..
https://y.yarn.co/38587c83-790b-4493-bd0f-a89f3f680ad0_text.gif
lol...
That's not how evolution works.
It might just be there was not enough of a selective pressure to remove it. Or something else that causes it has a more important function than smell.
OMG, I read the comments.
I'm a guy who showers daily and tries to make sure I don't smell (breath and body). Today, however, I am off from work and only washed my face. I've had that not so fresh feeling all day.
I'm going to take shower right now.
edit - shower complete. also, i was trying to quote ghostbusters in the beginning but messed up it. it should have been "I looked at the comments, Ray".
I shower twice a day. In the morning to wake up and to get rid of the sleep sweat, in the evening so i don't bring outside materials to my bed.
Your poor skin.
My skin is perfectly fine, im just allergic to basically everything that touches it, especially most skincare products and moisturizers are the worst.
I used to work for Star City Games.
Enough said.
My condolences. Same for the WoW guys.
ok funny question. If we're concerned about the shit that's in deodorant, are we concerned about the shit that's in stuff like makeup?
Or is this just one of those conspiratorial things where we only focus on the one thing because haha funny cognitive dissonance thing.
I'm in the minority, even among the people I associate with offline, but I'm concerned about the shit that's in everything. Anything I put on or in my body. That also includes things I put on my dog or the food I give him. If I see/smell someone treated their lawn recently I don't let him walk on their grass because I know he'll lick his paws later and get sick.
(Yes, I wear deodorant.)
fair enough. Just curious what the general sentiment among the public here is i guess.
Yeah I need antiperspirant or I stink.
Antiperspirant or deodorant? Sweating is natural and some antiperspirant ingredients are harmful.
https://www.realsimple.com/beauty-fashion/skincare/bath-body/deodorant-vs-antiperspirant
Or a metal concert
Oh god... But the ones ive been to smell like beer and urine...
Those are just to help provide more grip to the floor for moshing
Smash brothers players smell even worse than the average expo goer.
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I'm reminded of Rieri reminding her fans to take showers just before a concert
Based
Man I can fucking smell this post. People will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify being lazy and gross.
I don't think it's mental gymnastics I think it's a lack of actual gymnastics, so to speak. Body odor mostly comes from sweating so if you don't sweat much you don't need deodorant near as much. Someone with a healthy body weight living a largely sedentary lifestyle in a cooler climate might not need it at all and might smell perfectly fine with showers every other day or even every third day. However, that's best case scenario and most people don't check all those boxes. If you're overweight, move around a lot, or just live in a warmer climate then that's not going to work.
You can wash regularly and have strong smell. AND it's not very good to never use soap.
People that bathe in parfum are bad as well.
Can confirm. My dad's bo is sour. Stinks up the bathroom and with the least bit of sun, the effect of exessive showering is undone.
I tend to disagree. I guess it depends...
I'm using shampoo for hair, though only because I think a lot of filth that's flying around in cities (and dust in rooms) collects there (and it gets itchy).
But as a counter example: I washed my feet with soap a long time ago and had constantly issues with fungal infection there. Then I stopped that (and only use water) and never had these issues again...
Sounds like you should see a doctor about the fungi. They don't just go away.
Well as I said, I never had any issues again since like 7 years or so, got healthy feet etc. so I guess that this indeed has gone away?
Well, cool if it worked for you. But it probably won't for most people. Fungi are usually very hard to get rid of.
my psych/socio teacher in HS had a rather funny litmus test for that one.
Words from his mouth were "if your ear wax is dry, you probably don't stink anymore"
What does ear wax being dry have to do with stink? Just wondering
not entirely sure, but that's what he postulated, being a middle aged man and all.
Presumably it just means that your body is producing less material for bacteria to make smelly. But this is also 1700s levels of science lmao.
It's some gene that is mostly present in asians compared to whites, blacks, etc, my friend group has one individual that said he didn't use it, and he's black, everyone else will smell sour if stopped.
i mean it doesnt have to be anime conventions its usually any kind of gathering where said yopic. of convention has a gathering of introverts, in particular, ones that have 0 sense of self awareness.
in terms of worst to less worse:
Card game tournament(sweaty, generally lack of AC, small venue cause cheap) < Video Game tournament (similar but in a room full of electronics, usually helped out by that their venue is larger) < anime conventions
Well, it's not only that, a lot of people are wearing costumes, that may or may not cause them to sweat far more than their normal day. A friend of mine wore a costume that involved a dress shirt and a coat, and Sept isn't really cold in GA. He used menthol to cover for his sweat though, so it wasn't too bad with him. My last costume (several years ago, I dunno where all the stuff is and can't afford to remake atm) involved dress shirt, a vest, and a heavy coat (trying to emulate this character) and it was hot as hell, especially in lines outside in the sun.
Even with baths and deodorant for some people in such situations it's not really enough.
ofc the cosplays have an effect as well, but theyre typically the minority at a convention vs those playing TCGs or Video games, who are often the majority.
the triple threat funny moment was San Jose 2016. Genesis 3 (Super smash bros tournament) took place at the same time and venue as Furcon, as well as a female volleyball tournament, all 3 generating sweat differently.
Something tells me the sweat wasn't even the worst part of the Smash Bros. tournament, knowing that community...
Tbh, extroverts can also smell very bad, someone mentioned Metal festivals...
Just look at the skid marks left on chairs at wrestling events.
Its so fucking disgusting that some people refuse to clean themselves
Went to a horror con and the scariest thing there was the BO
ITT
People who didn't read the article and assumed Slate was telling everyone to not use anything...
Did you read their headline?
Did you read the article?
Did you read the fucking shit they wrote in the post?
I did read the article. They go into the history of modern deodorant and antiperspirant and the marketing of them. They talk about how antiperspirant is safe to use but the narrative that it causes cancer keeps growing regardless of what scientists say. They also relate having conducted an experiment with deodorant instead of antiperspirant and how many people could probably get away with just deodorant.
At no point do they say we should abandon all hygiene.
Enter a random bus in summer
The guy craves Stench. Just one door down from the scat room
All natural deodorants and antiperspirants ARE scams. Regular deodorants are what pretty much everyone needs, regular antiperspirants don't get rid of odor and stopping your sweat glands is probably fucking terrible for the human body.
'Cept deodorant does nothing to remove the stench from the weirdos that don't wipe their ass after taking a shit, which is a large bulk of people at the conventions I've been to. 🤢
The amount of men that refuse to properly clean their own ass is terrifying and disgusting.
as a gay, I take some undeserved pride in being so terrifying to straight conservatives that many of them started walking around with poop on their butt because they're scared if they touch their b-hole they're suddenly gonna "break" and go gay
What?!?
How do I un-read a comment?
I’m just going to leave this here.
https://nuudcare.com/
Non-aluminum. Micro silver. Doesn’t leech into the body. Works for days. Actually works.
There were a couple small studies that raised concerns about aluminum in antiperspirants. Larger higher quality studies found no issues.
There are no real antiperspirant ingredients in the product you linked. Zinc oxide is a mild astringent which could possibly reduce sweating but if it does at all it's not by much. Microbial claims around silver in deodorant are dubious at best. No studies have shown it to be particularly effective at inhibiting odor causing bacteria. Anyone with BO will stink on top of the smell of deodorant.
The product doesn't claim to be an antiperspirant, and it's not. It also doesn't have any fragrance for deodorant.
I recommended the product because it works for me better and longer than anything else I have ever tried. I still sweat, but even 8 hours after working out, my underarms still don't smell when using this stuff. During the winter, if I wasn't particularly active, It would last 4 days.
yeah, it doesn't have any ingredients that would do that. you're lying or delusional
You don't need to personally attack me. I'm sharing my experience in the hopes it helps others. I'm not paid by the company or anyone else. I have no secret agenda.
There is special lotion that basically glues the Sweat glands, but your doctor needs to prescribe it in most places...
Oh wow, that seems like it would be pretty effective but probably not great for the body.
I have been using the Nuud stuff for a year and I love it. I’ll never go back to anti-perspirants.
Its not perfect, but doesn't do harm as it's not putting something in the body. Also its a lot better than sweating liters a day.
Are you talking about the nuud stuff or the "gluing glands" stuff? Because if it's the latter, I'm not convinced that it doesn't harm or "put something in the body."
Yes, its not gluing its acid, so basically burning them shut.
That's far from not doing harm, though. But if it's harmless in the sense that a vasectomy is harmless, I guess it's fine.
Ooh, haven’t heard of this. I’ve been using a regular deodorant without anti perspiration the last few months and… it’s ok. But now that it’s getting hotter, I reach for the old aluminum stick if I have to go into the office.
I bought this (impulse buy, but on sale!) and we’ll see how it goes! My wife will tell me if it’s not working :)
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it! I wish I had known about it sooner. I had tried aluminium antiperspirant, non-aluminium deodorant, the crystal, and charcoal paste, and none of it worked as well for me or made it through the day.
The biggest complaint I have with the nuud is that I have to wash it off my hands after applying.
The article gets quite a lot right. Both sets of products are solving problems that didn't exist, and create problems that very much do. These range from psycho-social problems to physical environmental problems.
The answer is don't buy either. But that means being ok with being able to smell one another. That would be a return to the default state of probably a million years. But how are we all going to do that at the same time over night?
The ancient Greeks and Egyptians used perfumes to make themselves more appealing.
It's like saying people never complained about the heat before the invention of the air conditioner.
I didn't say don't use anything, I said it's valid to decide not use products marketed as "deodorant" and "Antiperspirant". It's not like I follow that advice. I wear deodorant, and aftershave. But I have experimented with not wearing any, and using "eco" ones.
What I am saying is that I do agree with what is in the article, which is summarised as both products have created a false problem, and used that to create a market.
And it isn't at all like AC. Humans smell. It's not a completely negative thing to me. I don't want a completely sanitised olfactory experience. If you wash daily, most of the time, Antiperspirant isn't needed. But depends on what you are doing and what the climate is. In temperate conditions, I can go a day without smelling any different, without deodorant on. It changes when the weather is hot, and if I do strenuous exercise. But you can just wash more often.
What I've found is that certain soaps change the situation, as does what I eat. Garlic and Cumin seems to have a significant effect.
Nope. Wear your deodorant. It was invented because it makes people smell more recently cleaned, which has always been more hygienic and therefore more appealing. The problems do exist absent of culture and marketing.
Honestly I prefer slight body-smell over the typical Axe mix with sweat.
Another thing: you smell less when you're not constantly using deo (and washing your skin with soap etc. water is enough most of the time).
Just have good hygiene and eat/live healthy, you"ll be surprised that you don't need deo most of the time.
You're not comparing apples to apples when you compare the worst and most overpowering body spray to "Slight body-smell".
And you smell less after establishing a no-deodorant routine. You still smell, and a lot at that. Diet isn't going to get rid of that. People still notice and you still stink.
Not everyone is the same, some people should wash more often or wear deodorant, some people don't need to.
I haven't said that I don't smell at all, but just using water, and avoiding stale-sweat (by washing with water, which is rather effective). But I wouldn't consider it a lot, at least not, when the people aren't like really close, or straight up sniff my armpits ^^
Maybe worth adding, is that I almost exclusively wear merino-wool shirts, which likely helps further reducing BO
Yeah, my experiences during COVID when I couldn't leave the house and stopped wearing deodorant is that the smell doesn't become less. I didn't wear deodorant for over a month and it was the same.
Have you tried just using just water while washing armpits? This had by far the greatest effect of reducing BO for me. I mean it's still there, but not that it concerns me most of the time, I'm also sometimes washing armpits with water during the day, when I'm sweating more than usual.
So what you're telling me is, the solution to stop bacteria from producing smells is to let it multiply and thrive? Everyone who has ever given me the advice you're giving me stinks of BO. Our ancestors stank. You're not producing less stank, you're just getting used to it.
Well the "stink" is AFAIK produced by bacteria etc. after sweating, i.e. stale sweat.
AFAIK fresh sweat has a somewhat arousing effect on the opposite gender.
I guess, when you're not constantly drying out your skin by washing all the body fats away, it just needs to produce less body fluid to nurture the skin etc. which leads to less stink, because it can be washed away quite effectively (but less so the body fats) by just using water (not as effective as with soap etc. though, but it takes maybe 2 hours or so and then I'm stinking when using soap, btw. counter-example to that I'm getting used to the stink). I also think the different composition of the skin flora may add to that.
Before you're judging, have you tried washing the skin with just water (my skin health has improved since using only water on the body, and I have rather sensitive skin)?.
Sounds like bro science to me. I'm a greasy mfer and my skin is fine with being washed
I'm no expert, but there's a chance you're just getting used to the smell (Of course everybody is a little different and some people barely smell and others, like myself, have quite a strong smell). Which, ironically is kind of the point. I believe before deodorant people had ways to make themselves smell nicer, but I don't think they had anything that completely stops the BO like deodorant does for such a long period of time. So, I guess it kind of did solve a problem that didn't exist, because people normally would smell.
On the other hand, at this point most of modern society likes when people do not smell like BO, So I will be continuing to use deodorant.
true, perfume etc. is nothing new, probably older than cultivating plants.
Maybe slightly, but as soon as I'm using soap, I quickly notice stink after a short time after showering as counter-example.
I think the body just has use less fluid to nurse the skin after washing with just water, and than there's a slightly different skin-flora I think.
I sometimes use DIY deo (basically soda+coconut-oil) when I'm noticing stink, but rarely, that works quite well, while being somewhat neutral in smell.
I'm not so sure about that. Probably not a strong stale-sweat BO, but there are studies, where fresh sweat had IIRC a strong arousing effect on the opposite gender. I guess it quite depends on the BO...
I may not be the norm, but I'm somewhat opposed to most of the often penetrant deo smell. I also would consider my sense of smell rather sensitive (I hate the fumes of motorcycles and cars in the road-traffic, and often hold breath there)
I appreciate the advice, but I already do wear deodorant. I guess whether they are problems or not is subjective. I'm not convinced that being sanitised is a good thing. Microbiome of the skin is a thing. Being more hygienic and therefore more appealing is also subjective. Hygienic isn't high up on my list of qualities of value. Obviously, there's a threshold and everyone has a different value for it.
I worked for an international company and during the company retreat, HR had to gently tell a few people to wear deodorant.
Not trying to shit on cultures and countries that don't believe in it, but it smelled like a teenage locker room had sex with a mtg convention. Even the hippy developers were disgusted.
Well, with propere hygiene deodorant is not needed.
Anime con attendees don't care about proper hygiene and deodorant will only patch the issue, not fix it.
Edit who the f is downvoting? Lazy people who think using copious amount of deodorant will cover for washing yourself?
Believe it or not but some people sweat more than others. If you don't want to shower every hour you need deodorant.
Thats just BS, i shower twice a day and still need deodorant otherwise i smell after some hours of work.
And the people downvoting you are just intelligent people that know you speak BIG BS.
It's not about hygiene, but what you eat.
No its not, you can eat super clean and still smell bad.
If you get to the point of oozing food smells out of your pits, you should prolly take a shower.
I was in the army. I know. The smelly bastards are the ones who don't shower.
I know that the ones that don't shower don't use deodorant either (or it just stops working after some time...) but you can definitely smell when showering regularly.
Yes, I'm not arguing that. There's a whole lot of emphasis on "propere hygiene", it's not just "showering a lot".
Sometimes excessive showering can cause your skin to lose it's "natural" properties and bad bacteria might set up colonies, and then the overt showering will keep the natural skin balance from balancing itself.
Also, diet affects one a lot.
I don't think everyone who sweats, smells. And some sweat smells straight up good. (Again, given proper hygiene, and this good sweat smell is usually connected to intimate activities.)
The first claim is true though. People used to not mind the smell of sweat.
That it's percieved as unpleasant, and that people are worried about others smelling them is a modern trend, which was pushed by advertising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8zRpRPgJNw
11min Video on the topic by "Future Proof"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1shh4d0mz0
German short documentary
Edit: Wow, lot's of personal attacks, very classy. So many nice people here.
I don't know what you're talking about. People have been trying to mask body odor for literally thousands of years.
Unless OP's definition of 'modern' is from, at least, the 1500s till now...
Yeah, they ignore that frigging Egyptians who bathed daily and invented cosmetics and soap, also invented perfume and toothbrushing, and incense, and also had deodorants. Over 4 thousand years ago.
People smell, just fucking use deodorant.
No its not true, there where products masking bodily smells thousands of years. Idk what you are talking about. But i have to say, if you show up unshowered and without deodorant ata fucking con and im near you i will puke all over you.
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Yeah, but I recall attending a gaming tournament where smash brothers had an entire gym to itself.
By day two it was so bad that the artists(mostly women) just outside the gym had moved their vendor tables away from the gym.
There is a distinct difference between the smell of freshly generated sweat, and dried sweat mixed with all of the other accumulated filth one accrues when they don’t regularly shower.
The first time I went to pax, the whole convention stank like stale pizza. Like at a mall next to a Sbarro's. Problem was, there was no food court or restaurants at pax... It's all the greasy gamer stink.
This is the dumbest fucking take. The entire historical record disagrees with two YouTube videos and you've landed on the latter's side.
But they did their own research! /s
Yeah, there's a reason they aren't scientists. Like, who tf quotes a Future Proof video unironically. They are the idiot's idea of an intelligent video.
Big difference between “the smell of sweat” and “horrible BO” though.
It wasn't so much "not mind" as it was "put up with" since there was no real alternative for the average person. Also, there's the remarkable ability of the human brain to filter out inputs it deems unnecessary. Bad smells that are a constant presence end up being filtered out.
People have been cleaning themselves for essentially forever. Bathing was not as common as it is today, but we know people have been washing their hands, feet and face regularly for many thousands of years.
Cleanliness features very heavily in religion dating back thousands of years, and the earliest soap recipe is from ~2500BC, although we know they were making at scale hundreds of years before then.
Wells to make water available in places where there's no stream or river date back even further to the ~8000s BC.
Most people weren't rocking perfumed soaps and immersion in hot water, but washing your clothes with a homemade soap, scrubbing your feet, hands and face with cold water and a rag every day or so and likewise your body roughly weekly was available to most people at a minimum. If you were near a river or body of water, like humans tend to prefer to live, washing your feet, hands and face every morning and a weekly scrub was perfectly comfortable.
Primates are generally very conscious of grooming. Humans are unique in regularly washing with water, but we're also unique in being nearly hairless, remarkably greasy, and clever. It tracks that we'd figure out the water thing pretty fast.
I don’t know, bad smells are not filtered for an evolutionary reason. Sure you work at a bakery and the amazing smell of bread is filtered by day 2 never to be smelled again, but i had to bunk under a mfkr in the military who was under shower supervision, and yet still had a mark on him from that time someone dropped an alcohol pad on his arm. My brain didn’t filter shit, as in the smell of.
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Username checks out, the smell makes people cry.
People also eat a very different diet now, with way more sugar.
Changes things.
Edit downvotes from stinkers