I was just thinking the other day about how I went to a highschool with the panther as the mascot, and how disgusting it is that we used to play Cat Scratch Fever in band at football games...
Ted Nugent's jailbait is probably the worst I've seen from him (in song form).
"Well, I don't care if you're just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you're probably clean
There's one little think I got do to you"
In most states (possibly all) if a child under 18 is married to an adult over 18, their legal guardian changes from their parents to their now-spouse. So teeeeechnically, depending on the situation for the change of guardianship, that could actually be a totally legit loophole. In a very much should never be allowed to happen sort of way, naturally.
Before this gets weird, I only know that because I needed to know liquor laws, as my state allows minors to drink with their legal guardian who is over 21 which does include spouses. Nobody honors that at all (typically not even for parents because it’s really hard to prove legal guardianship), but technically that’s how it works.
So while the guardianship is legal, in the wikipedia article it goes on to clarify legal experts weighed in that it is still illegal to groom, coerce into sex, and give drugs, etc to a minor, even if you are their guardian. That's the illegal part
“When I saw you comin’ outta school that day - I mean, uh, out of . . your office complex . . . Where you’re a, uh, regional sales manager . . . I knew I got to have you!”
These guys were pretty on the nose about what they liked...
Only band that was even more on the nose was Oingo Boingo with the song "Little Girls", though I guess the singer said it was meant to be some kind of sick joke intended to offend.
Also a random coincidence, but apparently the parody song "My Bologna" was what kickstarted Al Yankovic's career.
Hands up any non-Americans who think it would be weird for a 17-year old girl to be with a 18 or 19-year old boy?
Non-Americans because America is extremely hypocritical and prudish compared to Europe and we're all well aware of it so no need to. Although even in the US the most common age of consent is 16 (only in 11 states have it at 18). In Europe only Malta has 18 and Malta is half the size of Rhode Island by population and ten times smaller per area.
American here: When I was a senior in high school, I dated a junior. She was 16, I was 17. I graduated, she turned 17, I turned 18. The next semester I would occasionally leave college and pick up my girlfriend from high school.
Seventeen is also easier to fit into lyrics. Dancing Queen by ABBA. Sexy + 17 by the Stray Cats (although the song was about ditching high school classes). At Seventeen by Janis Ian (who was singing about herself at 17). Paradise by the Dashboard Light by Meatloaf (again about both being high schoolers, but he’s a bit of a creep anyway).
ETA: It's just kind of a natural part of the life cycle of a musician that--barring Disney child starlets and other abuse cases like that--you're in your 20's or 30's by the time you're playing to a concert hall full of teenagers, so there you are, 30 years old, singing songs about teenage relationships.
Oh, I mean the guy himself. I know two women who knew/worked with him.
I always took Paradise as more funny than creepy because I interpreted it as a parody of stereotyped guy/girl behaviors and agendas rather than advocacy, but the guy himself wasn’t someone you’d particularly want to see your sister dating.
I am not trying to be edgy. Just a very recent revelation..I didn't know until that movie that Elvis was dating a 14 year old. So the only progress in this scenario we made as humanity from Mohammed to Elvis was one year. I guess that's progress?
But honestly, reading the lyrics of classic rock has really really hindered my ability to listen to some of my favorite bands.
Just a light example. The Animals. Love. Don't let me me misunderstood.... Comes off as domestic abuse apologist. Maybe I'm way off. I'll show myself out.
So the only progress in this scenario we made as humanity from Mohammed to Elvis was one year.
Aisha was 6 when they married and 9 when "the marriage was consummated", so it's more than one year. Still not great but pedophiles won't ever completely vanish.
The worst one in that vein for me is Little Girls by Oingo Bingo. It feels like it's trying to be a parody, but never quite gets there and just comes across as super uncomfortable.
It's definitely a parody, but a parody of something so uncomfortable that making fun of it puts a bad taste in your mouth, because you can't really mock it without.. ya know.. remembering that the music industry was (and probably still is) full of pedos, and that such things used to be perfectly acceptable...
It's definitely a satire but also yes very dark. The music video really makes it, for anyone who wants to see one of the most unhinged pieces of media out there in its full glory
You weren’t kidding. I don’t know how I’d never seen it before. I love crazy music videos, I click through old 80s/90s videos all the time. I guess that one doesn’t make it into many recommendations.
Was just coming here to mention that. I heard that song in a film or series I don't remember and thought it was sus then I paid more attention and oh boy oh boy WHAT IN THE FRIED FUCK .
The 1970s and 1980s in Europe were a terrible time in regards of pedophilia. In the aftermath of the sexual revolution and the decriminalization of homosexuality, some people thought everything goes and weren't really stopped. Take people like Volker Beck in Germany who openly demanded pedophilia to be decriminalized or Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who wrote a text about having sex with a 6 year old (he was working at a Kindergarten at the time). And they were by far not the only people who went way too far.
Volker Beck later became a member of the German parliament (for ~20 years), a leading figure of green politics and is currently serving as the president of the German–Israeli Society. Daniel Cohn-Bendit later became a member of the European parliament (for ~20 years)...
It is. The workarounds I’ve found never seem to work for me. Maybe I’ve just never entered the time code correctly into the url? But I dunno, I’ve tried a few times and failed every single time.
"winger"? I mean, hair metal sucks, but the names of these lower tier bands are just crap, it makes me think of the Patton Oswald bit about music videos. "Maybe I'll get some action from the guys of haircut 100 because I'm not getting any from the guys in Jackal with a y!"
I'll lead by saying that's not a fetish of mine, but I kind of get it, and in a way that has nothing to do with age.
If a person who is attracted to girls is surrounded by almost exclusively girls in school uniforms during several formative years of their life in which their sexual interests are initially developing, is it that strange they'd grow to find the uniform attractive?
Maybe the fact that I didn't go to a school with uniforms is part of the reason I don't share that particular taste.
Personally I always thought it was just because it looked good, like it's stylish and esthetically pleasing. But now as an adult I realize that for a lot of people it is about that connection to younger girls. Gross.
Well, now you're only fifteen, And you look good.
I'll take you under my wing, Somebody should.
They've persuasive ways, And you'll believe what they say.
It's just a question of time, And it's running out for you.
It won't be long until you'll do, Exactly what they want you to…
No no, see, it's gotta uhh, be ironic. It's ironic, they're ironically calling all the other pedo artists out, see. It's, no, see, it's because they're just being ironic and edgy as a tasteless kind of joke, see.
I dunno man. The point at which it becomes totally indefensible is the point at which the 30 or late 20's artist is sleeping or having romantic relationships with like, kids, basically. I dunno. I respect the right of artists to write songs about shitty or super insanely weird subject matter but goddamn these guys are just confessing that they're pedophiles straight up huh
Probably a Ted Nugent song
I was just thinking the other day about how I went to a highschool with the panther as the mascot, and how disgusting it is that we used to play Cat Scratch Fever in band at football games...
Stranglehold is another one. Yep, just a casual song about murdering your ex.
A shame because I really like the effects on the guitar.
Ted Nugent's jailbait is probably the worst I've seen from him (in song form).
"Well, I don't care if you're just thirteen You look too good to be true I just know that you're probably clean There's one little think I got do to you"
I see your 'Jailbait' and raise you 'Little Girls' by Oingo Boingo.
Especially the music video.
Its maybe not as absolutely plainly pedophilia, but just what the fuck.
That song is messed up. The video is linked somewhere else on this post (starting Peter Dinklage)
That's also Danny Elfman, definitely worth a Wikipedia search.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Elfman
could be led zeppelin too. jimmy page had a 12 year old girlfriend that he locked in his hotel room
12?!?! That’s not a girlfriend, that’s a child he abducted.
apparently she was a groupie favorite for a lot of musicians, think bowie was allegedly with her when she was a couple years older
Allegedly is correct. From what I recall Bowie denied it and her story has changed multiple times quite wildly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2LQMElLoLs - Have fun spotting Tyrion.
I'd assume its a song about a father talking about how much he loves his young daughter. Perhaps I'm just an optimist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler#Family_and_relationships
See also Ted Nugents "jail bait".
In what world does that make any fucking sense? "It's okay for me to groom her because I only had absolute legal authority over her."
Super fun fact that isn’t fun at all:
In most states (possibly all) if a child under 18 is married to an adult over 18, their legal guardian changes from their parents to their now-spouse. So teeeeechnically, depending on the situation for the change of guardianship, that could actually be a totally legit loophole. In a very much should never be allowed to happen sort of way, naturally.
Before this gets weird, I only know that because I needed to know liquor laws, as my state allows minors to drink with their legal guardian who is over 21 which does include spouses. Nobody honors that at all (typically not even for parents because it’s really hard to prove legal guardianship), but technically that’s how it works.
So while the guardianship is legal, in the wikipedia article it goes on to clarify legal experts weighed in that it is still illegal to groom, coerce into sex, and give drugs, etc to a minor, even if you are their guardian. That's the illegal part
"Your honor I promise my 16 year old wife consented."
Jesus Christ, wasn't this literally a scheme by Count Olaf?
well count olaf really only wanted her money, getting to sleep with her was just a bonus
"I love when my girl is naked"
Oh heck
Think About Things by Daði Freyr is that - a parental love song for a literal baby.
I love this song so much. An absolute banger every time I hear it.
When I grabbed that link, I ended up listening to the song twice, lol. Just can't help it, it's too good.
Daddy Freyr
'Sarah' by Thin Lizzy is one example.
https://youtu.be/M8jU2oQTy5Y
“Christine! Sixte- err . . Seven . . Eighteen!”
“When I saw you comin’ outta school that day - I mean, uh, out of . . your office complex . . . Where you’re a, uh, regional sales manager . . . I knew I got to have you!”
"My Sharona" by The Knack is literally this.
What. The. Fuck.
Not only was My Sharona explicitly inspired by a 17yo girl the guitarist was dating, the name of their second album was "...But the Little Girls Understand"
These guys were pretty on the nose about what they liked...
Only band that was even more on the nose was Oingo Boingo with the song "Little Girls", though I guess the singer said it was meant to be some kind of sick joke intended to offend.
Also a random coincidence, but apparently the parody song "My Bologna" was what kickstarted Al Yankovic's career.
In general, I would say that was bullshit, but knowing Oingo Boingo, and especially having seen Forbidden Zone, that's actually possible.
god damn it but thanks for curing my ignorance of this
New drake song just dropped
He's never going to walk away from this beef and I love it. Certified lover boy, certified pedophile.
She was just seventeen, you know what I mean
When they released that song, Paul was 20, which means he probably wrote it at 19 or 18. Not too creepy.
Yes, however, Ringo recorded "You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful and You're Mine" when he was 34. Which... ew.
Plenty of people would disagree with you nowadays
Hands up any non-Americans who think it would be weird for a 17-year old girl to be with a 18 or 19-year old boy?
Non-Americans because America is extremely hypocritical and prudish compared to Europe and we're all well aware of it so no need to. Although even in the US the most common age of consent is 16 (only in 11 states have it at 18). In Europe only Malta has 18 and Malta is half the size of Rhode Island by population and ten times smaller per area.
American here: When I was a senior in high school, I dated a junior. She was 16, I was 17. I graduated, she turned 17, I turned 18. The next semester I would occasionally leave college and pick up my girlfriend from high school.
Seventeen is also easier to fit into lyrics. Dancing Queen by ABBA. Sexy + 17 by the Stray Cats (although the song was about ditching high school classes). At Seventeen by Janis Ian (who was singing about herself at 17). Paradise by the Dashboard Light by Meatloaf (again about both being high schoolers, but he’s a bit of a creep anyway).
I might be giving my age away here.
Stevie Nicks - Edge Of Seventeen.
ETA: It's just kind of a natural part of the life cycle of a musician that--barring Disney child starlets and other abuse cases like that--you're in your 20's or 30's by the time you're playing to a concert hall full of teenagers, so there you are, 30 years old, singing songs about teenage relationships.
Ladytron - Seventeen
....wait
eighteen just doesnt sound as good belted out like seventeen does
If you dont know what you want it's reasonably acceptable
A bit of a creep? He lies about loving the girl so he can get laid. Sure, he pays for the lie, but still...
Oh, I mean the guy himself. I know two women who knew/worked with him.
I always took Paradise as more funny than creepy because I interpreted it as a parody of stereotyped guy/girl behaviors and agendas rather than advocacy, but the guy himself wasn’t someone you’d particularly want to see your sister dating.
Paul wanted to rhyme it with "beauty queen" but John came along and nixed that wholesome idea
Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?
Did he go away and leave you all alone?
I got a bad desire
Oh, oh, oh, I'm on fire
jesus fucking barfing christ that's fucked....
I still remember hearing that one for the first time on the radio like 6 years ago. Immediate wtf reaction, like how is it still being played?
If you watch the music video, he doesn't mean a literal little girl or daddy. But it sure sounds gross!
This song is about cheating, not pedophilia.
Daddy is her husband, which is really weird slang, but used to be common.
Heh, "ho".
Me dancing at a Mexican party when I stop and listen to the lyrics like why are we dancing to this and my wife says just don't listen too closely
Colegiala? Yeah, ew.
I am not trying to be edgy. Just a very recent revelation..I didn't know until that movie that Elvis was dating a 14 year old. So the only progress in this scenario we made as humanity from Mohammed to Elvis was one year. I guess that's progress?
But honestly, reading the lyrics of classic rock has really really hindered my ability to listen to some of my favorite bands.
Just a light example. The Animals. Love. Don't let me me misunderstood.... Comes off as domestic abuse apologist. Maybe I'm way off. I'll show myself out.
Nina Simone recorded it a year before The Animals. At the time, it was regarded as a metaphorical statement about the Civil Rights Movement.
and it's fantastic. highly recommend.
Aisha was 6 when they married and 9 when "the marriage was consummated", so it's more than one year. Still not great but pedophiles won't ever completely vanish.
Mohammad to Elvis. Famously equivalent figures in their respective day.
I mean...
Probably an unpopular opinion, but pedo or not, I've always hated Elvis and his music.
One of my favorite SNL sketches is about this. https://youtu.be/T9awpv5BnSc?si=hJ9doIUDzYof1Yt6
The worst one in that vein for me is Little Girls by Oingo Bingo. It feels like it's trying to be a parody, but never quite gets there and just comes across as super uncomfortable.
It's definitely a parody, but a parody of something so uncomfortable that making fun of it puts a bad taste in your mouth, because you can't really mock it without.. ya know.. remembering that the music industry was (and probably still is) full of pedos, and that such things used to be perfectly acceptable...
Like singing along with Money for Nothing.
I mean, what's wrong with that?
Don't most versions not include the homophobic slur anymore?
It's definitely a satire but also yes very dark. The music video really makes it, for anyone who wants to see one of the most unhinged pieces of media out there in its full glory
That was…
You weren’t kidding. I don’t know how I’d never seen it before. I love crazy music videos, I click through old 80s/90s videos all the time. I guess that one doesn’t make it into many recommendations.
how has nobody mentioned "Girl... You'll Be A Woman Soon" ?
Was just coming here to mention that. I heard that song in a film or series I don't remember and thought it was sus then I paid more attention and oh boy oh boy WHAT IN THE FRIED FUCK .
you may be thinking of a little underground indie film called Pulp Fiction
oh is that the one where samuel l jackson shot that guy?
What?
There was a band that performed at Disneyland for just one summer in 1981 named Halyx that wrote the song "Jailbait" with lyrics like this:
Interestingly, this was written by the female lead singer about the recent introduction of age of consent laws.
They played that at Disneyland?!
Here's a great documentary about them if you've got 90 minutes to kill
How did anyone think this was a good idea.
Even Danny's bad ideas are certified bangers.
Eyeing little girls with bad intent
I can hear this
And I can see his eyes.
Yeah but in that case it’s intentional, because they’re painting Aqualung as a filthy, dirty old man.
Thanks for explaining
Into the Night by Benny Mardones wouldn't necessarily sound so bad, but then you see the video and hooooooo boy it is not okay, not okay at all.
The song by itself could be seen as someone reminiscing about teenage love, I.e. both parties are teens.
The video is quite disturbing though. They could have shown a teenage couple while the singer is the narrator. Instead they went full pedo.
Art Lover by The Kinks
The cover by Lambchop gives it the perfect vibe.
The 1970s and 1980s in Europe were a terrible time in regards of pedophilia. In the aftermath of the sexual revolution and the decriminalization of homosexuality, some people thought everything goes and weren't really stopped. Take people like Volker Beck in Germany who openly demanded pedophilia to be decriminalized or Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who wrote a text about having sex with a 6 year old (he was working at a Kindergarten at the time). And they were by far not the only people who went way too far.
Volker Beck later became a member of the German parliament (for ~20 years), a leading figure of green politics and is currently serving as the president of the German–Israeli Society. Daniel Cohn-Bendit later became a member of the European parliament (for ~20 years)...
Wasn't Sharona 16 when they wrote the song?
The little girl won't play with my ding a ling!
Gary Puckett & The Union Gap would like to have a word.... (Young Girl, 1968)
(Felt this post, so many songs I used to love, and with worse than questionable lyrics :( )
Legit the first song I thought of. Hello, fellow old.
My face when: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iKNe9vd3Abk :D
Anyways, hello back, fellow old ;)
"You're so hot, teasing me So, you're blue, but I can't take a chance on a chick like you That's something I couldn't do
There's that look in your eyes I can read in your face that your feelings are driving you wild Ah, but girl, you're only a child"
I guess ABBA singers did the right thing?
Probably only because their wives were, like, right there.
Mark Little had a good bit on this topic, and Van Morrison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5rlK7gLK6o
I don't know how to link to specific times, but the bit is around the 6 minute mark.
You can add a t=#m#s to the argument.
For your desktop link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5rlK7gLK6o&t=6m
Or from mobile (removing the share id argument, si=#########-######) https://youtu.be/y5rlK7gLK6o?t=6m
If you click 'share' there's a little 'at current time' button. It'll add a t=### to the end of your link which is just the timecode in seconds.
https://youtu.be/y5rlK7gLK6o?t=355
Works on desktop, idk if mobile is different.
It is. The workarounds I’ve found never seem to work for me. Maybe I’ve just never entered the time code correctly into the url? But I dunno, I’ve tried a few times and failed every single time.
Thanks! I will try this next time I need to post to a specific point in a video. Much appreciated.
Virgin Killer album cover 🤮
Just the fact that a whole lot of people decided it was a good idea and no one stopped to think how fucking bad it was.
It's perverts all the way down.
Anybody ever heard Seventeen’ by Winger?
"winger"? I mean, hair metal sucks, but the names of these lower tier bands are just crap, it makes me think of the Patton Oswald bit about music videos. "Maybe I'll get some action from the guys of haircut 100 because I'm not getting any from the guys in Jackal with a y!"
I mean, it’s the dude’s name, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He goes by first name Kip, which is dutch for chicken. He is Chicken Winger
I have no idea that that rant was about lol It’s just a corny song that aged like milk
Hair metal is the fucking tits. Gtfo with that :p
Also, not usually one to kink shame but the fact that one of the most mainstream fetishes is "school girl" is rather problematic to me.
I'll lead by saying that's not a fetish of mine, but I kind of get it, and in a way that has nothing to do with age.
If a person who is attracted to girls is surrounded by almost exclusively girls in school uniforms during several formative years of their life in which their sexual interests are initially developing, is it that strange they'd grow to find the uniform attractive?
Maybe the fact that I didn't go to a school with uniforms is part of the reason I don't share that particular taste.
Yeah that's definitely it for me. Schoolgirl uniforms do nothing for me, but if my girlfriend dons some 2000-2005 styles it definitely does it for me.
Personally I always thought it was just because it looked good, like it's stylish and esthetically pleasing. But now as an adult I realize that for a lot of people it is about that connection to younger girls. Gross.
hey 19...
Depeche Mode: Little 15
his daughter, right ?
Well, now you're only fifteen, And you look good.
I'll take you under my wing, Somebody should.
They've persuasive ways, And you'll believe what they say.
It's just a question of time, And it's running out for you.
It won't be long until you'll do, Exactly what they want you to…
There's an old polish classic song where the signer in one fragment sings that "she's very underage".
Welp.
No no, see, it's gotta uhh, be ironic. It's ironic, they're ironically calling all the other pedo artists out, see. It's, no, see, it's because they're just being ironic and edgy as a tasteless kind of joke, see.
I dunno man. The point at which it becomes totally indefensible is the point at which the 30 or late 20's artist is sleeping or having romantic relationships with like, kids, basically. I dunno. I respect the right of artists to write songs about shitty or super insanely weird subject matter but goddamn these guys are just confessing that they're pedophiles straight up huh
Stray Cat Blues, Rolling Stones (unfortunately; man it's a great song if not for the... Entire subject)
70s and girl like a woman, eh.
transvestite
The beachboys: "What is this a crossover episode?"
I catch myself humming old songs every now and then and have this moment way too often.
Polly wants a cracker...
Guess you should... y'know... get off her first?
and another mythology is built
David Bowie and Lori
"theres something about you, baby, that makes me want to give it to you"
ok too edgy, sorry.
I blow grown men. so, no.
yeah, not sticking my dick in anyone who doesn't look like a bear