Does node have wasm support yet? Corporations have been looking for a way to stack performance degradation on the web to an arbitrary degree. The Node running on wasm running on node running on wasm running on node running on wasm running in the browser stack could get so hot.
it's honestly quite strange. The Libreboot term has been known for years to refer to the fully free bios project. Then they merged osboot and Libreboot so now libreboot contains proprietary blobs. Then they decided to make a new project canoeboot, which is basically the new libreboot.
Man, I wish there were more people around me who cared about discussing Linux and open source software. Only one person I know actually understands it, but he’s still running windows for games and programming.
It is said that the true linux developer can survive for months at a time on nothing but a piece of dead skin from a callus on his foot and the energy of the community-maintained free and open-source software
I still use Windows as my main computer, partially because I got this computer before getting into linux and have built up a lot files on it, and because I have a WMR VR headset that doesn't currently have controller support on the open source drivers (maybe once Microsoft kills WMR with the next windows version I'll switch)
I’m running NixOs as a daily driver for a while now. It’s the first time I want to actively convince people to try out a distro. But then I realise most people around me would not want to bother learning how to configure it.
TBF I'm branching out and I just installed Debian on my second laptop and I like that too. But Ubuntu's been mighty good to me for a lot of years as a reliable workstation and server VM in Proxmox.
Yeha, mistakes have been made but I guess those are understandable for the biggest distro. But that's the past. We can always switch between distros when needed. Atm Ubuntu is fine.
I honestly just want to enjoy Linux. If I'm concerned about what happens in every update, I won't enjoy it.
So I leave the worrying to other people. If something really bad happens that I need to know about, I'll probably hear about it on these communities.
"Ubuntu did this crazy thing!!!"
Google -> how to disable this crazy thing?
disables the crazy thing
So far I haven't been hacked (almost 7 years using it) or murdered by the phantom of the bloat. Everything works fine. The only issues I've had are Nvidia related. Fuck Nvidia.
Ubuntu literally delivers the promise of a user friendly experience, which is what I want. I don't want to obsess about the libraries or Init system my distro uses. I just want it to work. I'll let other amazing minds to worry about the philosophy and technical aspects while I just cruise.
I know I can relax thanks to other people who really worry and want everything to be perfect. I'm really grateful with them, I just don't want to be them.
That's exactly what Canonical is trying to do. They are trying to create a system with all the batteries included so people don't need to worry about installing extra stuff, which means that of course they'll have a bunch of bloat if you don't use everything they offer, which is probably the case.
Their end goal is to be able to push this to the masses and maybe one day be able to get compensation for their effort.
I wouldn't mind if Ubuntu becomes a Microsoft Windows-like product. If that's what it takes to steal people from the claws of Microsoft, I'm OK with that. That would mean that hardware manufacturers will start developing specialized drivers for their hardware in Linux. To this day, in freaking 2024, I need to have a Windows image in order to configure my headset and mouse because developing the interfaces for Linux is pointless for these companies.
We still have like 50 other distros we can use. Let Ubuntu be that bridge to bring more users to Linux.
Excuse me, sir, it's the Gentoo bits that are supposed to be hard, not yours.
On an unrelated note - I'm building a binhost. Currently stuck on trying to figure out a way of building packages without instaling them and not using quickpkg>
Stalks my post history to find out I use Ubuntu for my daily driver. Didn't mention I've been using Linux since before the twin towers fell and am a long term open source dev and contributor...
Almost like you purposely chose to be deceptive or something. I know it wasn't a choice though, this kind of immorality comes naturally to you and maybe you're not even aware of it. You should try and work on it though, you'll be amazed how much better a life of radical self awareness is.
You should, a great place to start is helping write documentation. A lot of big projects have groups that work on creating user guides and api info, some programming experience is normally required but not as much as when contributing code so it's a great way of building understanding and confidence.
After having to use Ubuntu at work for > 1 year, I find it hard to endure. But of course, maybe it was just the computers being slow, except for Debian KDE working perfectly well on them.
Isn't it embarrassing using the same excuses as every 4chan racist and misogynist?
You're affecting how people perceive Linux and doing so in a negative way, I'm not going to try and stop you or anything but I am going to say I think you're a bad person working against all the efforts and hard work of people trying to make a better world.
How you feel about it is upto you.
Oh and of course this was just a joke so you have to laugh and agree, right?
I simply envy you because you live in some world where this is the problem worth discussing and getting angry. Or your head is full of shit. It's probably the latter, given that you put people joking about Arch Linux to the same category as racists and misogynists. In this case, I don't envy, but pity you.
They're owned by a for-profit company, they collect data on you by default, they've already had privacy issues in the past, and they include non-free software by default. I would rather have a beginner start off with Debian or Trisquel. We shouldn't be trapping people into these distros because then they'll potentially get too comfortable and not make the switch. This is coming from someone who did start off on Ubuntu. Sure, it's more convenient, but we should be teaching people to value freedom over convenience. Even if the data collection is minimal, it's still data.
Hardened gentoo was great when grsecurity had their kernel patches opened freely to the public, but now idk. I'm more into hardenedbsd than anything gentoo nowadays.
Power BI is a different kind of beast though. Soon only available as part of Microsoft Fabric, a SaaS analysis platform. Sure, the technically inclined can use Python/R/Julia with MongoDB, a set of SQL DBs, some CI and Plotly/Dash, but that effectively requires to have some Software- and Data Engineers on staff and some dedicated machines/VMs.
Power BI / Fabric is much cheaper for small to medium sized companies outside of IT.
I have never heard of it so I cant say if there is an alternative but I‘m pretty sure being vendor locked like this is MUCH more expensive than using a more complicated bit open solution in the long term.
I mean Power BI is an example in this thread. Or any software that requires an ISO certification. Or any industrial application like CAD. Basically any piece of software which cannot be used for a hobby doesn't have an open source alternative. And even some hobbies don't really have alternatives. I mean I would love to replace Fusion 360 with something open source, but FreeCAD is a joke.
Why does nobody just use a basic Gentoo setup? Compiling custom kernels and using tons of use flags And cflags isn't actually going to make your PC faster. Just install the distribution kernel and use march=native.
Since this is sort of related, what are y'all using for a tiling manager? I really miss Fancy Zones from Windows and would literally pay for a clone on Linux Mint.
"Rewrite the internet in C"
We could call it … WebAssembly! And now it’s a C compilation target, which means we can run Node.js in the browser, to get a javascript runtime :)
Isn't that the other way around? Developing for the web in assembly is not the same as running assembly on a browser.
It could be the same.
Usually when people are talking about web development in assembly they mean development back end applications.
Does node have wasm support yet? Corporations have been looking for a way to stack performance degradation on the web to an arbitrary degree. The Node running on wasm running on node running on wasm running on node running on wasm running in the browser stack could get so hot.
Web Development With Assembly
O'NO
Why does this look so authentic?
This would somehow be worse than JS
If you are not talking about the past, present and future of Hannah Montana Linux I'm not even talking to you.
I am the Excel/Ubuntu person 😳
I still love you
Meh. I'd say we tie him to a post and burn the heretic.
But with love.
Just a tad.
and have the machines running rocky linux
Google Sheets/MacOS
They also all need to be using librebooted computers (Thinkpad and Optiplex)
s/librebooted/canoebooted/
it's honestly quite strange. The Libreboot term has been known for years to refer to the fully free bios project. Then they merged osboot and Libreboot so now libreboot contains proprietary blobs. Then they decided to make a new project canoeboot, which is basically the new libreboot.
so they went from having:
to having:
All they seemed to have done is confuse.
Canoeboot was made as a joke to make fun of OSS enthusiasts.
corebooted chromebooks are more libre
The problem is installing Linux on them is a nightmare and bring a risk of bricking them.
also a lot of them have soldered storage of like 16 gigs, which just isn't enough for most ppl
yea, no thanks - "the grind" mindset is just capitalism worming itself into your brain
yup, but the meme makes fun of that mindset and the original meme template in my opinion
We live in a capitalist society though.
Man, I wish there were more people around me who cared about discussing Linux and open source software. Only one person I know actually understands it, but he’s still running windows for games and programming.
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People drink the Microsoft Kool aid, it's called money, they generally want it.
They have been taken by the dark side.
Plebs...
It is said that the true linux developer can survive for months at a time on nothing but a piece of dead skin from a callus on his foot and the energy of the community-maintained free and open-source software
I still use Windows as my main computer, partially because I got this computer before getting into linux and have built up a lot files on it, and because I have a WMR VR headset that doesn't currently have controller support on the open source drivers (maybe once Microsoft kills WMR with the next windows version I'll switch)
Windows is the most common operating system for developers
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-most-popular-technologies-operating-system
Visual studio which the the most used IDE after Visual Studio Code is only available on Windows and Mac.
The Mac version will soon be retired though.
Yeah. He even has a server rack at home. But still uses windows for all his devices. Luckily he’s not crazy enough to run windows server.
Then you‘re definitely in the wrong circle. Join a local computer club if that exists. Changes things dramatically.
That sounds pretty nice actually. I’m based in Sydney, but I don’t really find anything like a computer club nearby.
Maybe i just don’t know how to search for it.
We don't use open-source around here pardner.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html
Luckily I even know 2 persons who are into Linux and FOSS.
Every day this sub is in the active feed and I could not be more removed from the intended audience lol
This will continue until you're part of the intended audience. ::: spoiler spoiler Okay, it won't stop even then. :::
Where Nix/Lix/Auxolotl/NixOS?
there was only space for 5 things ( *** Debloat Mindset *** )
I'll allow it. But I can't promise anything from the void crowd.
I’m running NixOs as a daily driver for a while now. It’s the first time I want to actively convince people to try out a distro. But then I realise most people around me would not want to bother learning how to configure it.
Same. It's very elegant. But yeah: the lacking documentation makes the learning curve way too steep for most people.
I like Ubuntu 😐
Don't worry, once the others graduate school, break their arch install, and don't have the free time to reinstall it, they'll like Ubuntu too. 🙂
TBF I'm branching out and I just installed Debian on my second laptop and I like that too. But Ubuntu's been mighty good to me for a lot of years as a reliable workstation and server VM in Proxmox.
And turtles?
DiCaprio would object to people older than 25 being in his group
What if we discuss Debian?
You're smart just not an elitist.
What if I use Ubuntu but I'd rather talk about the kernel than distros?
Is that before or after you talk about unity not being that bad?
I loved the Amazon spyware Ubuntu days
Yeha, mistakes have been made but I guess those are understandable for the biggest distro. But that's the past. We can always switch between distros when needed. Atm Ubuntu is fine.
Idk did you stan for 24.06 or are you still a reasonable person like "why that OS so big?"
I honestly just want to enjoy Linux. If I'm concerned about what happens in every update, I won't enjoy it.
So I leave the worrying to other people. If something really bad happens that I need to know about, I'll probably hear about it on these communities.
"Ubuntu did this crazy thing!!!"
Google -> how to disable this crazy thing?
disables the crazy thing
So far I haven't been hacked (almost 7 years using it) or murdered by the phantom of the bloat. Everything works fine. The only issues I've had are Nvidia related. Fuck Nvidia.
Ubuntu literally delivers the promise of a user friendly experience, which is what I want. I don't want to obsess about the libraries or Init system my distro uses. I just want it to work. I'll let other amazing minds to worry about the philosophy and technical aspects while I just cruise.
I know I can relax thanks to other people who really worry and want everything to be perfect. I'm really grateful with them, I just don't want to be them.
My concern when I see bloat is "what are you hiding?"
And to me it represents the possibility that Ubuntu with Firefox is trying to make a marketable OS, which is just Windows with extra steps.
But overall I hear you. I daily drive Ubuntu 22.04, Ubuntu Server 22.04, Debian 12.5 and Windows 11 (sigh)
That's exactly what Canonical is trying to do. They are trying to create a system with all the batteries included so people don't need to worry about installing extra stuff, which means that of course they'll have a bunch of bloat if you don't use everything they offer, which is probably the case.
Their end goal is to be able to push this to the masses and maybe one day be able to get compensation for their effort.
I wouldn't mind if Ubuntu becomes a Microsoft Windows-like product. If that's what it takes to steal people from the claws of Microsoft, I'm OK with that. That would mean that hardware manufacturers will start developing specialized drivers for their hardware in Linux. To this day, in freaking 2024, I need to have a Windows image in order to configure my headset and mouse because developing the interfaces for Linux is pointless for these companies.
We still have like 50 other distros we can use. Let Ubuntu be that bridge to bring more users to Linux.
I know it. Anyone who was alive in the 90s knows it.
But I usually get downvotes to hell because Firefox is the current best popular browser so fanboys gonna stan.
Then you're in an elderly home
Wait, there's someone here aware of hardened gentoo? Well I'll be damned! Come out of the shadows, fellas!
I'm always hard when someone talks about Gentoo!
Excuse me, sir, it's the Gentoo bits that are supposed to be hard, not yours.
On an unrelated note - I'm building a binhost. Currently stuck on trying to figure out a way of building packages without instaling them and not using
quickpkg>That does sound hard!
This is real. This is why my friends are lame now. Not the kids or jobs.
They're still on Windows
People should be talking about void. Such bullshit. :p
Called it!
But how can you talk about it if it has no type and no defined sizeof
Nah, that way, I can be the Alpha-Nerd in my circle, getting all the clout when I help them out with a command-line-command that contains awk.
Ah, yes, ANOTHER post trying to make Linux seem impenetrable and elitist with an attack on Ubuntu - I swear you guys must work for Microsoft.
Ah, yes, another user offended by a joke posted to a community with memes.
average 5 year ubuntu user
Stalks my post history to find out I use Ubuntu for my daily driver. Didn't mention I've been using Linux since before the twin towers fell and am a long term open source dev and contributor...
Almost like you purposely chose to be deceptive or something. I know it wasn't a choice though, this kind of immorality comes naturally to you and maybe you're not even aware of it. You should try and work on it though, you'll be amazed how much better a life of radical self awareness is.
i think i have a 2 day streak of the twin towers being mentioned in a day.
You should, a great place to start is helping write documentation. A lot of big projects have groups that work on creating user guides and api info, some programming experience is normally required but not as much as when contributing code so it's a great way of building understanding and confidence.
That's also one of my goals. I started recently with contributing to open street maps to complete the entries for my local village.
After having to use Ubuntu at work for > 1 year, I find it hard to endure. But of course, maybe it was just the computers being slow, except for Debian KDE working perfectly well on them.
Isn't it embarrassing using the same excuses as every 4chan racist and misogynist?
You're affecting how people perceive Linux and doing so in a negative way, I'm not going to try and stop you or anything but I am going to say I think you're a bad person working against all the efforts and hard work of people trying to make a better world.
How you feel about it is upto you.
Oh and of course this was just a joke so you have to laugh and agree, right?
This is not a joke. If you don't wake up at 4 am to start harassing windows users, you will never become a GNU/Linux Trillionaire.
I simply envy you because you live in some world where this is the problem worth discussing and getting angry. Or your head is full of shit. It's probably the latter, given that you put people joking about Arch Linux to the same category as racists and misogynists. In this case, I don't envy, but pity you.
I clearly didn't put them in the same category, I said they use the same defensive arguing tactic to justify their toxic bahviour.
And no its not THE problem, I'm able to post a comment on a thread without it totally consuming my life.
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Ubuntu sucks. Not because it's for newbies, it's because better, new user friendlier options like mint exist.
Ubuntu is spyware.
Pure FUD
They're owned by a for-profit company, they collect data on you by default, they've already had privacy issues in the past, and they include non-free software by default. I would rather have a beginner start off with Debian or Trisquel. We shouldn't be trapping people into these distros because then they'll potentially get too comfortable and not make the switch. This is coming from someone who did start off on Ubuntu. Sure, it's more convenient, but we should be teaching people to value freedom over convenience. Even if the data collection is minimal, it's still data.
What the fuck even is this meme lmao?
Me and OP can compare paychecks, I've never used Linux in my life.
Paychecks? I am a self-made billionaire, all thanks to the Free Software Grindset
OP and I*
Acktually, it's GNU/Linux, Linux is just the kernel :)
Jokes on you! I'm older than 30!
Hardened gentoo was great when grsecurity had their kernel patches opened freely to the public, but now idk. I'm more into hardenedbsd than anything gentoo nowadays.
honestly open source software is important.
I am a Microsoft user (sorry) but don't think my company will allow use of other programs due to software policy.
Is there an open soursce excel and powerbi / powerpoint thing ?
LibreOffice Calc is pretty good. Your company can invest in a fork and it should do what you need.
Power BI is a different kind of beast though. Soon only available as part of Microsoft Fabric, a SaaS analysis platform. Sure, the technically inclined can use Python/R/Julia with MongoDB, a set of SQL DBs, some CI and Plotly/Dash, but that effectively requires to have some Software- and Data Engineers on staff and some dedicated machines/VMs. Power BI / Fabric is much cheaper for small to medium sized companies outside of IT.
Thats interesting! Thanks for elaborating.
I have never heard of it so I cant say if there is an alternative but I‘m pretty sure being vendor locked like this is MUCH more expensive than using a more complicated bit open solution in the long term.
Open source enterprise solutions are pretty much non-existent, thus it's never cheaper to go open source.
Feel free to show a usecase where that is the case. the actual cost and opportunity cost of a vendor lock in is quite severe.
I mean Power BI is an example in this thread. Or any software that requires an ISO certification. Or any industrial application like CAD. Basically any piece of software which cannot be used for a hobby doesn't have an open source alternative. And even some hobbies don't really have alternatives. I mean I would love to replace Fusion 360 with something open source, but FreeCAD is a joke.
Neat
Thanks for a free answer you could charge somebody for :)
What's a ubuntoo?
Why does nobody just use a basic Gentoo setup? Compiling custom kernels and using tons of use flags And cflags isn't actually going to make your PC faster. Just install the distribution kernel and use march=native.
Because that requires actually understanding the way a computer works.
Well you’re half right, lol.
I only take on gross work, as per rhyming conventions gross work is your gross worth.
Since this is sort of related, what are y'all using for a tiling manager? I really miss Fancy Zones from Windows and would literally pay for a clone on Linux Mint.
FancyZones was great, now I use Pop!_OS's tiling feature. It's a bit different, but I like the additional keybinds for controlling window movement.
For a GUI thing like that, KDE has had it since 5.27: announcment called Window Tiling, with its graphical Tile Editor that by default is opened with
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Thanks, I'll check this out.
Hyprland seems pretty popular these days. I want to use it (or sway) but didn’t have the chance to figure out how to run it with my nvidia card
who is Bill Yonere?
Are you using this format in an un-ironic way?... Why
nah, but in hindsight it may be a bit too subtle
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