It's possible to be an anarchist while roleplaying a hardcore fascist in a tabletop RPG. It's fantasy. Fascism's best kept as a non-tenable, mockable idea for fiction.
If you were to go into a bar today and shout out "Join the army! All bugs must die!" or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently? Satire is a very thin line, and without context (which most people aren't going to have regarding this), role-playing this stuff just comes off as the exact thing that is being satirized.
If you were to go into a bar today and shout out "Join the army! All bugs must die!" or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently?
First, this isn't a bar. This is Lemmy, a community on the internet mostly filled with nerds. This is one of the most popular games at the moment. Also, even if they didn't know the game, odds are they know Starship troopers, and this is just an expanded meme of that.
Second, no I don't think anyone hearing you say to kill all the bugs will think you're a fascist. They might think you're crazy, but, as far as I'm aware, there aren't giant bugs we're at war with in real life.
I think there's almost zero chance of this being mistaken as a sincere fascist post, and it's pretty much harmless.
You might be thinking of the movie series, not the novel. In the book humans were essentially fascist, you could alternatively label it as "democracy" managed by a military dictatorship.
The bugs were not fascist, they were meant to represent communist China. Hienlien wrote starship trooper in a couple weeks, as a response to America announcing they were scaling back their nuclear arsenal.
I was speaking in reference to Helldivers 2, because the parent comment was talking about roleplaying and people don’t usually use that language around books or TV shows.
Fwiw, I was indeed taking about Helldivers, though I was referring to the irl "roleplay" of it in memes and in social media, even in communities completely unrelated to the game, like this one.
Same goes for those that take stuff like Fallout's Brotherhood of Steel or Warhammer's Imperium of Man too seriously. This stuff is better left in the context of the game. Bringing it into real life is sketchy at best.
But this isn’t real life. This is a niche social media site with a very specific demographic, namely huge nerds.
Now if someone outside was yelling "I‘M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL 'EM ALL!" that would be pretty awkward. But we aren’t outside so excuse me while I
I know this is was crossposted to the helldivers sub, tbh i duno anything about it.. but the meme image is from starship troopers and its defo a fash government
The headline, which very likely isn't even real, is also not inherently fascistic. If anything its more a statement on people being so stressed with life, that a fantastical idea of going off to live a sci-fi movie life is appealing.
You're pulling the fascism from the movie, which is inherently satirical. It makes sense something like that, which was already popular, continues to be so when the satire has more real world connections. You're on a platform with a ton of nerds, they're gonna reference sci-fi classics. If anything I'd say that's a healthy sign. Satire is arguably one of the strongest forces pushing back against fascism and the like on a cultural level.
Is it? I think externalizing our bad impulses is the only way we as a species could possibly survive. People love to hate. People love to group around shared hate. Internally, that urge causes social unrest and racism, externally it could hit someone else and give humans something to come together around, the hatred of everything else…
Sounds super cynical, and it is. But we are just dumb monkey tribes who figured out to obliterate their own world with the push of a button
I used to think this way, until I tried writing more sci-fi and I kept running into weird moral quandaries trying to keep stuff realistic on a human level. I genuinely don't think there will ever be a threat that could rally all of humanity at this point. Not only because I don't believe aliens are a thing we'll ever experience, but also because everything I've seen points to people being too chaotic. Even the perfect enemy (some bugs that just want to kill us all) would have humans helping them out, a contingent of people who think the whole thing is a deep fake, and a multitude of people preying on the flawed reality of those groups and others to horde whichever resource (money, food, manpower, etc.). That's before you even get into the various well-intentioned factions that would form around a variety of "best" approaches to the issue.
I'm not even saying this in a doomer kind of way, I'm rather optimistic and believe we tend to stumble forward. I'm just saying the rally around the flag moment for humanity feels like a total fantasy.
Except the fictional "fixing" of humanity involves an inhuman "enemy", a thing that very much happens in real life (dehumanizing others in war or oppression), which tracks because these things are satire of that real world scenario.
All of this is to say that embracing the fiction without that distinction as satire really just enforces those innate bad impulses you brought up, and we have enough of that right now, imo.
And our governments would totally turn any first contact into a war type thing if they could get away with it. Because the loss of control otherwise would be terrifying to them.
Well, as long as we bring 'democracy and freedom and capitalism' to them and win, it's all good. :)
It'll be awful if we lose but I am a firm believer that humanity I'll be able to handle any of the dangers lurking out there after thousands of years of practice within the tutorial part of our history, aka, when we were still confined to our homeworld.
Idk, none of this starship troopers content was trending until that game that ships with a rootkit virus came out. The book came out in 1959, the movies are literally from the VHS era, the last film they ever made was 7 years ago and got a 5/10.
I hated the movie ending. Short story ending is way better. Best way to watch the movie is just turn it off when they leave the grocery store then it bearable.
The ending of the movie is a bit shitty... Dude just had to wait like 10 more minutes and would have been fine. But they just had to use those last 3 bullets burning a hole in their pocket. The book ending still sounds better than that.
Mars One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One received over 200,000 applications for a one-way ticket to Mars & raised money way too easily, before going bankrupt.
Edit: BTW, since you already posted it there, if you copy the URL for the uploaded image, you can re-use it and lemmy will detect that it's the "same" post and show the cross-post link to the other post.
I actually started to post it there, but I was worried that maybe I'm posting too many memes in that community, so I thought I'd slow down... If nobody else does it first, I'll crosspost it a little later today.
It depends on the severity of the situation. I would only leave the planet for this purpose if it was a potential extinction event. Otherwise it would have to be an actual invasion of my area of my country. I am not a good citizen.
Nothing would please our billionaire overlords more than all of us "little people" getting the hell off earth for another planet. It's unlikely anything comparable to the paradise of this planet, even in a global warming event or an ice age, will be reachable any time soon.
Heavily depends on the planet and the aliens. I'm not about to kill cute peaceful molerat people on a desert rock of a planet. This sounds like terrible time to me. If it's some sort of Strogg situation on a decent Earth-like world though count me in.
Sure, i think nowadays we call them trolls. And i'm sure fighting for humanity sounds better than the realities would imply. But 100% is still high, i would like to see how the question was formulated and the sample selected. Unless they were at a wh40k convention, i would still doubt the result.
I think it's honestly sad how people think aliens would invade and overthrow us. We have so many conflicts on this planet that we just assume other planets would be imperialistic as well.
It's bizarre to see people role-playing enthusiastic fascism with the world the way it is right now.
It's possible to be an anarchist while roleplaying a hardcore fascist in a tabletop RPG. It's fantasy. Fascism's best kept as a non-tenable, mockable idea for fiction.
Rping in a game is one thing. Bringing it into the world with memes and more is just...icky.
I don't understand how the game mocking it and a meme mocking it are different. Care to explain?
If you were to go into a bar today and shout out "Join the army! All bugs must die!" or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently? Satire is a very thin line, and without context (which most people aren't going to have regarding this), role-playing this stuff just comes off as the exact thing that is being satirized.
First, this isn't a bar. This is Lemmy, a community on the internet mostly filled with nerds. This is one of the most popular games at the moment. Also, even if they didn't know the game, odds are they know Starship troopers, and this is just an expanded meme of that.
Second, no I don't think anyone hearing you say to kill all the bugs will think you're a fascist. They might think you're crazy, but, as far as I'm aware, there aren't giant bugs we're at war with in real life.
I think there's almost zero chance of this being mistaken as a sincere fascist post, and it's pretty much harmless.
Dude - you asked me to explain and I did. Not sure what you're really looking for here, but you're not gonna find it with me.
Not fascism, managed democracy. The bugs are the fascists
I thought we started it, by invading, and they were acting in self defense?
One of my favorite lines in the game is (paraphrasing):
The problem with the bugs is that they're relentless expansionists. We've found them on almost every planet in their territory that we've colonized.
It's also pretty clear that we've been farming the bugs for space oil.
It's explicit, isn't it? Some of the characters on the super destroyer mention it.
Doesn’t make em not fascists, and if the solution to FTL travel was just to kill a few bugs, wouldn’t you too?
You might be thinking of the movie series, not the novel. In the book humans were essentially fascist, you could alternatively label it as "democracy" managed by a military dictatorship.
The bugs were not fascist, they were meant to represent communist China. Hienlien wrote starship trooper in a couple weeks, as a response to America announcing they were scaling back their nuclear arsenal.
Also, I don't think the book ever mentioned FTL.
I was speaking in reference to Helldivers 2, because the parent comment was talking about roleplaying and people don’t usually use that language around books or TV shows.
Fwiw, I was indeed taking about Helldivers, though I was referring to the irl "roleplay" of it in memes and in social media, even in communities completely unrelated to the game, like this one.
Same goes for those that take stuff like Fallout's Brotherhood of Steel or Warhammer's Imperium of Man too seriously. This stuff is better left in the context of the game. Bringing it into real life is sketchy at best.
But this isn’t real life. This is a niche social media site with a very specific demographic, namely huge nerds.
Now if someone outside was yelling "I‘M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL 'EM ALL!" that would be pretty awkward. But we aren’t outside so excuse me while I
I know this is was crossposted to the helldivers sub, tbh i duno anything about it.. but the meme image is from starship troopers and its defo a fash government
Helldivers is effectively just starship troopers: the game. Same kind of satire.
The fascism in the game is ironic and on the nose in a way that's easy to laugh at, like "what if?"
I'm aware. This isn't the game, though. It's not even in a sub about the game.
The headline, which very likely isn't even real, is also not inherently fascistic. If anything its more a statement on people being so stressed with life, that a fantastical idea of going off to live a sci-fi movie life is appealing.
You're pulling the fascism from the movie, which is inherently satirical. It makes sense something like that, which was already popular, continues to be so when the satire has more real world connections. You're on a platform with a ton of nerds, they're gonna reference sci-fi classics. If anything I'd say that's a healthy sign. Satire is arguably one of the strongest forces pushing back against fascism and the like on a cultural level.
Please visit your local democracy officer for re-education
Is it? I think externalizing our bad impulses is the only way we as a species could possibly survive. People love to hate. People love to group around shared hate. Internally, that urge causes social unrest and racism, externally it could hit someone else and give humans something to come together around, the hatred of everything else…
Sounds super cynical, and it is. But we are just dumb monkey tribes who figured out to obliterate their own world with the push of a button
I used to think this way, until I tried writing more sci-fi and I kept running into weird moral quandaries trying to keep stuff realistic on a human level. I genuinely don't think there will ever be a threat that could rally all of humanity at this point. Not only because I don't believe aliens are a thing we'll ever experience, but also because everything I've seen points to people being too chaotic. Even the perfect enemy (some bugs that just want to kill us all) would have humans helping them out, a contingent of people who think the whole thing is a deep fake, and a multitude of people preying on the flawed reality of those groups and others to horde whichever resource (money, food, manpower, etc.). That's before you even get into the various well-intentioned factions that would form around a variety of "best" approaches to the issue.
I'm not even saying this in a doomer kind of way, I'm rather optimistic and believe we tend to stumble forward. I'm just saying the rally around the flag moment for humanity feels like a total fantasy.
Except the fictional "fixing" of humanity involves an inhuman "enemy", a thing that very much happens in real life (dehumanizing others in war or oppression), which tracks because these things are satire of that real world scenario.
All of this is to say that embracing the fiction without that distinction as satire really just enforces those innate bad impulses you brought up, and we have enough of that right now, imo.
I feel ya. We need sole aliens out there for us to mostly stop hating ourselves.
And our governments would totally turn any first contact into a war type thing if they could get away with it. Because the loss of control otherwise would be terrifying to them.
Well, as long as we bring 'democracy and freedom and capitalism' to them and win, it's all good. :)
It'll be awful if we lose but I am a firm believer that humanity I'll be able to handle any of the dangers lurking out there after thousands of years of practice within the tutorial part of our history, aka, when we were still confined to our homeworld.
Sounds like traitor talk!
I would like to know more
Probably one of those corporate sponsored memes for that game that ships with a rootkit virus.
You should probably watch starship troopers. It's a reference for the recruitment videos in that movie.
Idk, none of this starship troopers content was trending until that game that ships with a rootkit virus came out. The book came out in 1959, the movies are literally from the VHS era, the last film they ever made was 7 years ago and got a 5/10.
"Yes. Please for the love of God. I would rather be torn asunder by an alien bug than spend another day in this depressing shithole."
Yeah, but have you tried working retail?
I actually watched it just a few nights ago. And yes, fuck those spiders. 😱
Pretty decent movie, it's Stephen King stuff if you're into that.
I hated the movie ending. Short story ending is way better. Best way to watch the movie is just turn it off when they leave the grocery store then it bearable.
The ending of the movie is a bit shitty... Dude just had to wait like 10 more minutes and would have been fine. But they just had to use those last 3 bullets burning a hole in their pocket. The book ending still sounds better than that.
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Leave it to humanity to invade other planets to "fight for humanity".
"But only 40% said they would if it was on the Automaton front"
I’d be shocked if we got 40% of the player base to the bot front, I’d say 80% has never seen the creek
I would defect to the bugs' side
I don't understand these hyro-glifics. Can you just switch the number over to SEDI (Super Earth Directional Inputs)
Of course!
(Not my edit)
Maybe not your edit, but excellent work Helldiver! The up vote pails in comparison to how much I love this.
Keep slayin' it. ✊🏽
Found the Enderkin
We have a group that meets up Friday's under the Brooklyn bridge.
Mars One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One received over 200,000 applications for a one-way ticket to Mars & raised money way too easily, before going bankrupt.
Lolz. LMAO, even.
People just don't want to live on this planet anymore
Some people have far more money than sense. If they ever got their wish, they'd hate it on Mars, too.
If only when most of them go broke in the company store and get sent to the mines
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Edit: BTW, since you already posted it there, if you copy the URL for the uploaded image, you can re-use it and lemmy will detect that it's the "same" post and show the cross-post link to the other post.
I actually started to post it there, but I was worried that maybe I'm posting too many memes in that community, so I thought I'd slow down... If nobody else does it first, I'll crosspost it a little later today.
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Ya know, I was worried that I was doing the same thing. But fuck it, Hell Divers is too memeable to go to waste.
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Guess I’m not a “man” because fuck that.
Do we get power armor?
Yes, but it still reeks a bit from the last soldier who used it.
... describe him please.
Red mist
I've done worse.
A British guy once worded it weirdly poetic:
'he's strawberry jam now'
Have you seen the beginning of the movie "Fury"? How the new guy had to "clean out" his seat in the tank?
It depends on the severity of the situation. I would only leave the planet for this purpose if it was a potential extinction event. Otherwise it would have to be an actual invasion of my area of my country. I am not a good citizen.
Nothing would please our billionaire overlords more than all of us "little people" getting the hell off earth for another planet. It's unlikely anything comparable to the paradise of this planet, even in a global warming event or an ice age, will be reachable any time soon.
And we should leave it for them? Duck that.
They can keep it. I wanna bring democracy to the cosmos and clap alien cheeks
I'm doing my part!
There it is!
Do you want to know more?
No.
Heavily depends on the planet and the aliens. I'm not about to kill cute peaceful molerat people on a desert rock of a planet. This sounds like terrible time to me. If it's some sort of Strogg situation on a decent Earth-like world though count me in.
The teeth, though?
Peace was never an option!
We have to wipe out the tribbles.
Don't tell Uhura.
No.
I was not in that study.
Only if I get one of those sweet photosynthesizing green bodies from Old Man's War
Eh, it's not like the universe needs humans.
Wow, 100%. That's really a sound result for a poll
I think about 4-5% of answers are intentionally against the norm for some reason. I'm sure there is a name for the phenomenon.
Sure, i think nowadays we call them trolls. And i'm sure fighting for humanity sounds better than the realities would imply. But 100% is still high, i would like to see how the question was formulated and the sample selected. Unless they were at a wh40k convention, i would still doubt the result.
Any true WH40K fan knows that humans are the bad guys.
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Hello, Inquisition? Yeah, we got another one.
Who I share my bed with is non of your concern
Heretic af
Off you go into the servitor lobotomizer
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Or dontI thought this was a reply from a post on Hexbear for a moment.
I think it's honestly sad how people think aliens would invade and overthrow us. We have so many conflicts on this planet that we just assume other planets would be imperialistic as well.
For the emporer of mankind.
Getting real WWI vibes - it’ll be an adventure, we’ll get to go to new and exciting places, it won’t last too long…
You know that movie was about how fascism can be sexy right?
That movie was parody making fun of a book about how fascism can be sexy.
Sample: 100% voencomat
I would believe this
The important part - 100% of people would immediately leave their desk jobs if given any other potential option.