To be fair, the company name is still Logitech, just the logo is shorter. I agree that the middle is probably best aesthetically, except that the logo seemed to fade quickly.
Eh I would agree but the first one is a weak sub par logo regardless, even if the trend didn't change it deserved and update. I think the middle one is inoffensive and good, the third one is very grandpa learning the gangnam style dance. Today.
Ok, I really don't want this to come across as anything other than curious so please know I just genuinely want to know.
Was "and" deliberately put there or is it just a typo? I see this quite often online and would love to know if I'm seeing a change in language or maybe a regional difference or if it's just autocorrect.
I'm not too mad about the micro usb on it, since I can have the USB cable that came with it in my front panel USB all the time, so I won't really lose it.
If I do lose that cable it will be a bit annoying cause I definitely do not own any other micro USB cables.
I wish Logitech and all the other big peripheral companies would lose the software. They usually make your keyboard extremely annoying colors unless you install their crap
The thing is that 1GB of a "driver" contains about 20 MB of actual mouse driver, but also all the drivers for all their other mice, keyboards, webcams, joysticks, driving wheels, loudspeakers (but why?), headphones, etc.
I like they consolidated their Logi Hub software, but it's HEAVY.
When I noted that Logitech started downloading, installing and running a service called Logitech Download Assistant without asking just by pluggning in a mice I realized I had to drop them.
Drivers are fine to push through Windows Update, programs are not.
I am on Xtrfy mice and Ducky keyboards these days, both are excellent and require zero programs to use
Yup! I installed OpenRGB the conpletely uninstalled all my razer and logitech software. Loose a few macros, but i can make AutoHotKey scripts if I need to.
As a separate download or built in? Any idea if it works with redragon stuff? Redragon software is fucking awful, only nice thing about it is that I almost never have to use it.
Do you happen to have a link or some kind of point in the right direction? I couldn't find any macro plugins for openrgb on their site, and a web search is proving unhelpful as well.
No worries. It's not a huge deal to use redragon software, and I poked around a bit with openrgb and set up some cool goodies from the plugins they do have (most notably setting an rgb light in my Mobo to scale with my GPU temps. Totally unnecessary, but very cool!)
I've avoided RGB-lit stuff for everything else, except for my wireless headset. A Logitech G733. In every other respect I love it, but it has bright lights on the front that drain the battery and reflect in my glasses. They default to constantly changing random colors until host software sends a command to control the light. Thankfully there exist tools to control it on Linux (HeadsetControl) but adjustments reset on every power cycle.
The mouse in OP (M510, I've had a few of them myself) doesn't have those problems. There does exist specialized software to manage device pairing for the included "unifying receiver" but it comes by default pre-paired so the software is only particularly helpful for the niche use case of having other wireless logitech devices and wanting to save USB ports by making them all share one receiver.
I got a keychron a while back which has been great and doesn't need proprietary software to program it. I like some pretty lights on my keyboard but that's it. Not a fan of PC lights or anything else like that
I've also been buying this same mouse. Once I saw a new one in the store and went, "Wow! They have it in dark gray!", and bought it. Turns out the old one at my computer was already dark gray.
Soldering in new switches doesn't take very long on Logitech mice. I gave the last one I had replaced under warranty to my son and he soldered in a replacement in about 15 minutes and hasn't had any issues with it since.
its for a logitech mouse, but the procedure is the same for all those microswitches, i got 3 more years out of my roccat mouse (which was in very heavy use and died of another reason)
That's why I retired my MX Ergo. It's coated in some kind of rubber that broke down. I don't know, mine might just have cancer and all the others in the world are fine, but the thing is disgusting to touch and I'm not paying $100 for a new one.
Yes, my Logitech mouse, which is great it every other regard, had the left button give out after about of year of very heavy use (StarCraft, not that my APM is that high). With the addition of some superglue and a piece of plastic I've been using it for 4 more years, still going strong.
Yeah, Hyperx pulsefire. Got mine for $20 and it’s been great. I did have a g602 but wanted a lighter and wired mouse, and decided to go cheap instead of more expensive like I normally would.
Ah the old double click issue. So it’s mainly the logis that do that ? I thought i was just imagining it. But like others have said I do not have any of those issues with the other brands of mice. Now if I can just find the right silent mouse…
I use Logitech M570 trackballs, and sometimes the left mouse button starts to misbehave...so I take it apart, desolder the switch, solder in a new one and it's fixed. Problem seems to be the microswitches wear out. Why replace a $35 mouse when i could replace a $0.40 switch?
I suppose you're asking rhetorically, but I'm gonna blunder though this rant anyway. I applaud your frugality and self reliance though.
Avoiding the hassle of disassembling delicate plastics parts, reassembling a potentially complicated and finicky device, and soldering (and resoldering) a small switch on a small PCB or wire correctly and safely is worth at least $34 to 99% of the market. Hell, I'm confident I could do it (badly) and have (admittedly the cheapest version of) the necessary tools, but finding the correct replacement switch still isn't worth the hassle (to me) if mine were to break.
Love my M570, btw. I abuse it on a daily basis with excessive clicks, but so far the worst I've had to do was clean some lint out of it. If it were a $70 device instead of a $35 device, I might feel differently. But at that, price point I'd probably expect better and replace it with a different brand.
I've got 4 or 5 M570s, and most of them have had a switch replacement. I'm several kinds of mechanic and several kinds of electronics hobbyist, so I have the tools and skills, soldering a microswitch is child's play to me.
I fix a lot of stuff, rescued my father's old coffee pit from tue dumpster. Why chuck a perfectly good machine over a clogged bubble pump? Fixed a random orbital sander by pulling it apart and giving it a good scrub. Hurts my head thinking of all the peefectly goos things people throw away over easy fixes.
I agree, I just factor the cost of my time into the balance of the cost of a fix vs. a replacement. Cleaning doesn't really count in my opinion, that's something any device will require. For a $35 thing that lasts a decade and is made of plastic that will have eroded or fatigued significantly over that time anyway, the cost/benefit doesn't really work it favor of repair, unless like you I enjoy the repair. For most people, the economics of the repair make even less sense.
Well here's the thing: I can do that repair in the time it would take me to drive to the store, buy a new one, and drive back. People forget that costs time and labor too. And what's the value of keeping these three mice out of the landfill for a few more years?
That doesn't explain it at all for me. I've never lost a mouse, even wireless ones, and I'm pretty sure you'd have a hard time finding someone less organised than me. Any idea about how they got lost? I'm in no way saying you're dumb or anything like that, just interested in the details. How and where did you find them? It's a cool thing!
Tbf those particular laptop mice are quite small. I’ve had mine shoot out from under my hand and fall off the desk very easily. It was very slippery. At least the older version was. The latest version has some coating on it to stop it from shooting across the room so easily.
I've got a Logitech Pebble. It's not the most comfy for extended use, but is sleek alongside my laptop. I can't remember when I bought it, but I haven't had to replace the single AA it came with since I got it!
Edit: According to Amazon, I got it almost exactly 1 year ago! Admittedly, I don't use it nearly as much as my G502 which needs recharging a couple times a week.
I wonder if America gets worse manufacturing, all the people complaining Logitech mice failing after a couple of years. While mine I have to kill them myself or gift around because they last so much and I like the new cool G series mouse.
I remember having a Logitech MX5000 laser mouse, Bluetooth version. Thing rocked. Had it so long, used it so much, I literally wore a hole through the plastic on the left button.
I would love to have another one... By the time it gave up the ghost, they had long been discontinued. I was able to get the RF version somewhere, but it fucking sucked! The BT never lagged or disconnected or anything but the RF one was basically unusable. I haven't even ever found a mouse similar enough that I liked. Nothing has the contour, the weight, and the buttons. I might get 1 of those 3 but not all 3.
I've stuck with M705 for many years. It's simple, but has a button on top that lets you swap the mouse wheel from free floating (you can spin it and it spins, very useful for scrolling through long text like logs or code quickly) to the usual click type scrolling.
If the question is “what mouse should I get for less than $25 that has those little back and forward buttons?” The answer will always be “Logitech M510” in my book
I’m like a JW for this thing. Has anybody shared the gospel of Logitech M510 with you today?
I got some random POS for $10 that has 2 thumb buttons for forward and back. I think it also has the left/right wheel clicky action that I never use because that shit is awkward.
How's the weight on that one though? The one I got has weights you can add/remove, but even with all of them in it's light as shit. I want it to be more weighty.
I’ve replaced the pads on mine a couple times, the rubber on the thumb rest has a hole worn it it to the plastic, and the braided cable is all frayed and stuff. I’ve had the thing for the past 10 years at least. I know new ones are that cheap and that I should just get a new one at this point but the thing is just a workhorse.
I will admit their old Some Seeing Eye logo thing doesn't screen print well, and it does have a bit of Windows Vista feel to it, kinda not helped by that gloss coating.
That’s funny I have the same mouse as you and just bought the newest one. I just don’t have the middle one like you have here.
It was actually a good thing I bought the upgrade. The old mouse on the very far left is barely responsive compared to the new one on the far right. they also developed the software for it to react a lot better. It’s also a lot quieter. Even on the side buttons. and the grip is better as it’s not so shiney to shoot out from under the hand.
Logitech is a good name for computer peripherals. Logi sounds like underwear or something.
To be fair, the company name is still Logitech, just the logo is shorter. I agree that the middle is probably best aesthetically, except that the logo seemed to fade quickly.
buh dmm tss
Its proactive. Its provocative.
Their support is now at "support.logi.com." Looks like they may be hocking a logi in the near future.
It feels like one of those random Chinese 5 letter brand names.
Yeah that just LITTER Amazon? Chogi happy clappy fun time plastic cutting board, allegedly lead and tuberculosis free*!
They save ~0.005¢ every time they print it by eliminating all the other letters company-wide.
I believe they're called "logicool" in Japan. So maybe it's some form of logo consolidation.
You can see the logos getting worse, in my opinion. I absolutely hate the trend of oversimplifying logos.
Eh I would agree but the first one is a weak sub par logo regardless, even if the trend didn't change it deserved and update. I think the middle one is inoffensive and good, the third one is very grandpa learning the gangnam style dance. Today.
It's such a same though to throw away that uniqueness. It would have been interesting to instead have a skilled firm do an evolution of the original.
Ok, I really don't want this to come across as anything other than curious so please know I just genuinely want to know.
Was "and" deliberately put there or is it just a typo? I see this quite often online and would love to know if I'm seeing a change in language or maybe a regional difference or if it's just autocorrect.
Yeah, devolution rather.
Soon it will be "log", then "lo", and finally "l".
The big L
Their gaming brand is just "G"
Kinda off topic but the Superlight is sick
Agreed, wish the gen 1 had USB-C already
I'm not too mad about the micro usb on it, since I can have the USB cable that came with it in my front panel USB all the time, so I won't really lose it.
If I do lose that cable it will be a bit annoying cause I definitely do not own any other micro USB cables.
So, the whole brand will be LG
I love Log!
I wish Logitech and all the other big peripheral companies would lose the software. They usually make your keyboard extremely annoying colors unless you install their crap
their software is also super bloated. How hard can it be to write a mouse driver? 1 GB for a mouse driver????
The thing is that 1GB of a "driver" contains about 20 MB of actual mouse driver, but also all the drivers for all their other mice, keyboards, webcams, joysticks, driving wheels, loudspeakers (but why?), headphones, etc.
I like they consolidated their Logi Hub software, but it's HEAVY.
When I noted that Logitech started downloading, installing and running a service called Logitech Download Assistant without asking just by pluggning in a mice I realized I had to drop them.
Drivers are fine to push through Windows Update, programs are not.
I am on Xtrfy mice and Ducky keyboards these days, both are excellent and require zero programs to use
I swear the side-scrollling wheel on the MX Master is set backwards to how everyone wants it specifically to get people to download the software.
Yup! I installed OpenRGB the conpletely uninstalled all my razer and logitech software. Loose a few macros, but i can make AutoHotKey scripts if I need to.
As a separate download or built in? Any idea if it works with redragon stuff? Redragon software is fucking awful, only nice thing about it is that I almost never have to use it.
You have to download it and put it in the plugins folder. There's also a list of compatible peripherals on the website.
Do you happen to have a link or some kind of point in the right direction? I couldn't find any macro plugins for openrgb on their site, and a web search is proving unhelpful as well.
Huh, sorry. I could have sworn I saw a macro plugin the other day. I must have imagined it.
No worries. It's not a huge deal to use redragon software, and I poked around a bit with openrgb and set up some cool goodies from the plugins they do have (most notably setting an rgb light in my Mobo to scale with my GPU temps. Totally unnecessary, but very cool!)
I've avoided RGB-lit stuff for everything else, except for my wireless headset. A Logitech G733. In every other respect I love it, but it has bright lights on the front that drain the battery and reflect in my glasses. They default to constantly changing random colors until host software sends a command to control the light. Thankfully there exist tools to control it on Linux (HeadsetControl) but adjustments reset on every power cycle.
The mouse in OP (M510, I've had a few of them myself) doesn't have those problems. There does exist specialized software to manage device pairing for the included "unifying receiver" but it comes by default pre-paired so the software is only particularly helpful for the niche use case of having other wireless logitech devices and wanting to save USB ports by making them all share one receiver.
I got a keychron a while back which has been great and doesn't need proprietary software to program it. I like some pretty lights on my keyboard but that's it. Not a fan of PC lights or anything else like that
Some accessories have onboard storage so you can just download an app one time and then delete it.
Solaar on Linux is a godsend
I've also been buying this same mouse. Once I saw a new one in the store and went, "Wow! They have it in dark gray!", and bought it. Turns out the old one at my computer was already dark gray.
From somewhat detailed and recognizable, to just the name, to not even the name. Their next logo will be a single "L", not stylized in any way.
But a lowercase L is just... l
:')
I think they'll keep the g, since they've already put all their styling effort into that one.
Already do on some.
https://a.co/d/itrP4Qf
Well there you go 😊
The logo/brand devolved, IMO.
Coincidentally(?), their software devolved just as much!
I don’t want to install multiple applications to just use a mouse.
tbh i like the new logi branding
Absolutely, there is nothing wrong in the newer branding.
The newer one is definitely more fun or less serious, while the older ones lacked that aspect. :-)
This is what they had before, which I see as lighthearted and whimsical.
If your source of fun comes from font choice on your (badly) shortened name, then that's...not a lot of fun in my mind.
Logitech M510, the most recent two are 2020 and 2022. The first is probably circa 2012
I'm a Logitech M720 man myself. I've bought at least three over the last few years. They seem to stop working within two years.
G502 here. I only had to replace it once due to me spilling Guinness all over the poor thing!
Lucky thing
I use a larger mouse on my desktop (actually have pretty big hands), but I like the small size for carrying around in a laptop bag.
Soldering in new switches doesn't take very long on Logitech mice. I gave the last one I had replaced under warranty to my son and he soldered in a replacement in about 15 minutes and hasn't had any issues with it since.
Same here. The M720 is the best general purpose they've come up with. Now they need to improve it.
Still rocking my 2012 one.
I also have several M510s around, but mostly because the left click stopped working
You mean the evolution of the logi, right ?
sadly I'm not gonna buy Logitech mice anymore until they finally fix the damn double click problem that happens after a year of ownership.
On a side note, anyone have any sub 50 dollar mouse recommendations?
if you have a bit of patience, you can fix a chattering microswitch pretty easily:
Invidious // Youtube
its for a logitech mouse, but the procedure is the same for all those microswitches, i got 3 more years out of my roccat mouse (which was in very heavy use and died of another reason)
Exactly. It's an easy fix. I haven't had a mouse break in the last 10 years. The coatings start falling off before the clicks are a problem any more.
That's why I retired my MX Ergo. It's coated in some kind of rubber that broke down. I don't know, mine might just have cancer and all the others in the world are fine, but the thing is disgusting to touch and I'm not paying $100 for a new one.
Yes, my Logitech mouse, which is great it every other regard, had the left button give out after about of year of very heavy use (StarCraft, not that my APM is that high). With the addition of some superglue and a piece of plastic I've been using it for 4 more years, still going strong.
Does this also work for the side buttons?
One of mine started double clicking on my G502 🥲
i took a quick look at a guide for complete replacement of the switches, and they seem to be normal microswitches too. found on reddit yuck: Link
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Yeah, Hyperx pulsefire. Got mine for $20 and it’s been great. I did have a g602 but wanted a lighter and wired mouse, and decided to go cheap instead of more expensive like I normally would.
Ah the old double click issue. So it’s mainly the logis that do that ? I thought i was just imagining it. But like others have said I do not have any of those issues with the other brands of mice. Now if I can just find the right silent mouse…
I use Logitech M570 trackballs, and sometimes the left mouse button starts to misbehave...so I take it apart, desolder the switch, solder in a new one and it's fixed. Problem seems to be the microswitches wear out. Why replace a $35 mouse when i could replace a $0.40 switch?
I suppose you're asking rhetorically, but I'm gonna blunder though this rant anyway. I applaud your frugality and self reliance though.
Avoiding the hassle of disassembling delicate plastics parts, reassembling a potentially complicated and finicky device, and soldering (and resoldering) a small switch on a small PCB or wire correctly and safely is worth at least $34 to 99% of the market. Hell, I'm confident I could do it (badly) and have (admittedly the cheapest version of) the necessary tools, but finding the correct replacement switch still isn't worth the hassle (to me) if mine were to break.
Love my M570, btw. I abuse it on a daily basis with excessive clicks, but so far the worst I've had to do was clean some lint out of it. If it were a $70 device instead of a $35 device, I might feel differently. But at that, price point I'd probably expect better and replace it with a different brand.
I've got 4 or 5 M570s, and most of them have had a switch replacement. I'm several kinds of mechanic and several kinds of electronics hobbyist, so I have the tools and skills, soldering a microswitch is child's play to me.
I fix a lot of stuff, rescued my father's old coffee pit from tue dumpster. Why chuck a perfectly good machine over a clogged bubble pump? Fixed a random orbital sander by pulling it apart and giving it a good scrub. Hurts my head thinking of all the peefectly goos things people throw away over easy fixes.
I agree, I just factor the cost of my time into the balance of the cost of a fix vs. a replacement. Cleaning doesn't really count in my opinion, that's something any device will require. For a $35 thing that lasts a decade and is made of plastic that will have eroded or fatigued significantly over that time anyway, the cost/benefit doesn't really work it favor of repair, unless like you I enjoy the repair. For most people, the economics of the repair make even less sense.
Well here's the thing: I can do that repair in the time it would take me to drive to the store, buy a new one, and drive back. People forget that costs time and labor too. And what's the value of keeping these three mice out of the landfill for a few more years?
Steelseries mice!!
How did you lose your mouse not once, but twice!? Kinda impressive
I mean, it’s over the course of a decade
That doesn't explain it at all for me. I've never lost a mouse, even wireless ones, and I'm pretty sure you'd have a hard time finding someone less organised than me. Any idea about how they got lost? I'm in no way saying you're dumb or anything like that, just interested in the details. How and where did you find them? It's a cool thing!
The first one I found after moving, the second I legit just forgot I put it in my old backpack
They make ones with wires that are harder to lose.
If I got a nickle...
I've basically done this over a similar timeframe with the M590.
Fun fact: In Japan, Logi used to be called Logicool. Because there's already a local company called Logitec.
Fascinating, this is practically archeology.
You call this archeology?
I can understand losing the dongle (that there's still no standard...) but the mice?
Tbf those particular laptop mice are quite small. I’ve had mine shoot out from under my hand and fall off the desk very easily. It was very slippery. At least the older version was. The latest version has some coating on it to stop it from shooting across the room so easily.
I use the same nice for home and work. Most other mice feel too small in my hand. Batteries last for months too.
I've got a Logitech Pebble. It's not the most comfy for extended use, but is sleek alongside my laptop. I can't remember when I bought it, but I haven't had to replace the single AA it came with since I got it!
Edit: According to Amazon, I got it almost exactly 1 year ago! Admittedly, I don't use it nearly as much as my G502 which needs recharging a couple times a week.
I forgot how much I liked the old Logitech logo. Make me remember my old MX518.
I wonder if America gets worse manufacturing, all the people complaining Logitech mice failing after a couple of years. While mine I have to kill them myself or gift around because they last so much and I like the new cool G series mouse.
Logitech doesn't manufacture anything in America. They moved production from the US, Ireland, and Taiwan to China in 1994.
Cool find, thanks :)
What about this find makes it cool?
Note: not a photoshop. That's how they were branded in Japan. Presumably the new Logi logo is to unify their branding.
I remember having a Logitech MX5000 laser mouse, Bluetooth version. Thing rocked. Had it so long, used it so much, I literally wore a hole through the plastic on the left button.
I would love to have another one... By the time it gave up the ghost, they had long been discontinued. I was able to get the RF version somewhere, but it fucking sucked! The BT never lagged or disconnected or anything but the RF one was basically unusable. I haven't even ever found a mouse similar enough that I liked. Nothing has the contour, the weight, and the buttons. I might get 1 of those 3 but not all 3.
Logitech still make the best mice but nothing will beat the g5 mould.
I still have one of the old whitish PS2 wired track-rats in my 'tech graveyard '
I did this with umbrellas. I now own a matching umbrella for each clothing combo.
I got all inspired by this post, and took a shot of some of the Logitech mice I have around here.
The red one (MX510) seemed so sleek and advanced in its day, and now is...large. And lumpy. And the logo is actually attached.
The M720 is the best of them. I wish they'd update it.
been using m720 for over 2 years. absolutely love this mouse for the price point
I've stuck with M705 for many years. It's simple, but has a button on top that lets you swap the mouse wheel from free floating (you can spin it and it spins, very useful for scrolling through long text like logs or code quickly) to the usual click type scrolling.
This is my favorite feature on the MX Master mouse, hands down
Hah mine has recently stopped working well and I been looking for a replacement. Should I just get the same one?
If the question is “what mouse should I get for less than $25 that has those little back and forward buttons?” The answer will always be “Logitech M510” in my book
I’m like a JW for this thing. Has anybody shared the gospel of Logitech M510 with you today?
I got some random POS for $10 that has 2 thumb buttons for forward and back. I think it also has the left/right wheel clicky action that I never use because that shit is awkward.
How's the weight on that one though? The one I got has weights you can add/remove, but even with all of them in it's light as shit. I want it to be more weighty.
G502. Hefty, lots of buttons, CHUNKY metal wheel, weights, everything you need. Can find wired ones on sale between 25 and 40 bucks.
I’ve replaced the pads on mine a couple times, the rubber on the thumb rest has a hole worn it it to the plastic, and the braided cable is all frayed and stuff. I’ve had the thing for the past 10 years at least. I know new ones are that cheap and that I should just get a new one at this point but the thing is just a workhorse.
Well it did die in three or so years so I'm wondering if it's worth getting a more expensive mouse that lasts longer
I will admit their old Some Seeing Eye logo thing doesn't screen print well, and it does have a bit of Windows Vista feel to it, kinda not helped by that gloss coating.
What is that nonsense on the right?
I have a trackman marble with the old logitech logo. Nostalgia
That’s funny I have the same mouse as you and just bought the newest one. I just don’t have the middle one like you have here.
It was actually a good thing I bought the upgrade. The old mouse on the very far left is barely responsive compared to the new one on the far right. they also developed the software for it to react a lot better. It’s also a lot quieter. Even on the side buttons. and the grip is better as it’s not so shiney to shoot out from under the hand.
It's interesting how minimalist design also influence the hardware design. Like how glossy the first gen compared the latest gen with matte color.
While I love Logitech I'll never forgive them to have killed the Harmony products, it's so great I can't believe they took that decision
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As far as I'm concerned, printing your name in a weird font doesn't even qualify as a logo.
The leftmost one is good - and the full-colour version of it was pretty cool, back in the day.
The middle one is bland, except for the "g" which is dumb.
The right one is stupid, and keeps the dumb g.
Garbage. The graphic designers need to give their heads a shake.