"Why I'm no longer a White Nationalist." Neoreactionary blogger goes to live in Red America just like he always dreamed. What followed will shock you!
"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:
In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.
The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".
It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.
In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.
(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)
Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:
But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.
There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.
In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.
Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.
The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.
original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240320025108/https://thevitalist.substack.com/p/why-im-no-longer-a-white-nationalistOpen linkView original on awful.systems
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This was worse than I imagined from the quotes. I feel like I need to take a shower, now.
According to this Quality of Life index which I just searched up and have not critically assessed, but I doubt the guy did that either for his claims, so I guess it's fine, the Netherlands rank second and Germany ranks 12th, while the US is on the 15th place. In other words: what is he even talking about?
Jesus fucking Christ, I can't even come up with a funny sneer here because this reads like he just pulled it out of the 1940s Nazi Party's bag of race laws for who's allowed to marry whom, and it's making me feel icky.
Ignoring the low-hanging fruit that this guy just flat-out said "well, fascism wasn't all bad", what kind of toxic consumer mentality is ingrained in these chucklefucks that they are seemingly unable so sit their sorry asses down on the couch and just say, yeah, I'm happy right now, to the point where they just postulate that other people must feel the same way, because they just can't imagine anyone being different?
Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.
always love* it when these guys get so race scientist they start on different groups of white people
This is fundamentally a part of any kind of race science or racism.
This is also what it means when the antiracists say race is a social construct.
You can't actually define any of these races rigorously in the first place. It's a subjective assessment. The racists define race backwards from tribe in order to categorize the people they hate as physically different to justify their hate
And fascism! Or any discriminatory -ism, up to and including capitalism.
@dgerard Whiteness is a movable feast. (Ask anyone who's Jewish, or LGBT+, or Italian/Irish in the USA in the 19th century or Hispanic in the USA before/after the 1970s).
Ayuuuuuuuup. Movable feast is a great term for it. Even once formerly ostracized groups get permitted into the in-group, their membership is strictly conditional on serving the interests of those closer into the center of the Whiteness construct. Stop being useful, watch how fast the old hate rears its ugly head again.
remember how Germans used to be swarthy
Do you mean the Teutons?
Mayhaps the Bohemians?
🤨
and the Swedish, per Benjamin Franklin
His glowing reference to the "aggro Scots Irish" reminded me that the "Scots Irish" are descended from Ulster Protestants, and that it wasn't fun being an Irish Catholic in Northern Ireland for much of the 20th century. Ian Paisley famously said that Catholics "breed like rabbits".
I suspect there are people who have complicated theories about the relative whiteness rankings, and thus superiority, of natives of Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.
Yes there are, or were. The OG Nazis treated Dutch POWs slightly better than French ones, for instance.
Dude, showering is exactly what I feel like now. I clicked the post to be nice and read, but only got a couple paragraphs before I just skimmed and picked out the "JFC" bits.
Then the first comment on the blog mentions how sad it is that you lose your "genetic whiteness" in 9 generations and just..goddamn...why is this an issue? Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."
I try to be empathetic where possible, but fuck these people and their entire worldview.
you assume that he has basic knowledge of biology
I, for one, vote for these "genetic purists" to only procreate with their peers and keep the circle closed from "those dirty Italians/Irish/Scots/Teutons/Slavs". How many generations until the problem solves itself, 5?
This is a kind of obvious folklore fact as well as actually true, that inbreeding (you seem to be referring to) causes worse intelligence. Because I believe I am right, I would on principle object to getting someone who is less easy to convince of my world view as an option, even if someone else gets to indoctrinate them first. It's obviously a cynical post but this is just unfair to the nonexistent inbred kids you're hypothesizing
At least he's old school racist enough to be racist towards Irish and Italians.
Most people have forgotten, or were never educated on, how oppressed those groups used to be.
When you're white, but not the right kind.
For real. I don't even necessarily disagree with the broad-strokes idea of "if you're comfortable, it's good to take on challenges and get outside of your comfort zone because that's how you grow as a person," but why can't he just apply this energy to writing a terrible novel or learning to paint watercolors or something, like a normal person? Why does the fact his life is comfortable mean he has to become a Nazi? :/
Well look what happened to the last one of these who tried to paint watercolours
He should've stuck with it
In a nutshell, he ended up hating many Germans, white and almost white Hispanics, Irish, Italians, who else...? Pickiest white supremacist I've read in a while.
He’ll be judging standard of living by raw GDP/PPP per capita, where the US does indeed notoriously outperform everybody by an absurd margin. This does the rounds even on the “serious” econ net every few months, and it’s always the same paper thin sophistic ideas going back and forth arguing whether it’s telling you something meaningful about euro vs us living. In any case a good portion of self-assessed intellectual types have been drowning in that debate for about two decades (or more) so it’s always easy to spot lurking in the background: it’s a shibboleth for people who’ve self-educated on development by reading blogs.
"isn't higher" than what? the GDP figures from your own link there indicate the US is among the highest. the only ones above it in the 2023 figures are Luxembourg, Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Qatar (each of which is singularly notable for a particular thing in their respective markets) - thus placing the US GDP figures ahead of literally every remaining country
You must be fun at parties
I present a reply guy so caustic they had to “well ackshully” the “well ackshully” meme. it gives the R&D staff here at awful.systems absolutely no pleasure to announce the discovery of the recursive reddit reply guy.
your correctness is just too powerful for us, we'll save you from having to engage it in future
Ah, the idea that merely living in the same country as some rich people means that you yourself are rich.
Seems like he gets his pleasure from 'conflict', ie being a troll, and is upset that all the other white boys aren't just like him. Maybe he finds being content too onerous. Tie him to a couch and force him to listen to a polite discussion, call it a challenge.
I will gladly take the bullet and live on the hedonic treadmill. Seriously how spoiled is someone who is living without struggle or conflict. Granted it could be worse but there are always challenges in life.
Just remind yourself that there was a literal global pandemic not that long ago and being mildly inconvenienced by wearing a simple mask caused these people to lose their fucking minds as though every single one of their freedoms was being stripped away.
Yeah if anything condemns humanity, it's the way these assholes reacted to the simple requirement to wear a mask to keep from infecting others. Their total unwillingness to act in a responsible and mindful way, pretty much says all there is to about he basic evil nature of mankind and how most people aren't worth a pile of dog excrement - none of them will be or could ever be redeemed.
It certainly gave me a clear indication of how well significant measures against climate change will be tolerated. ie, not at all.
Well I live in Utah where the legislature is actively committed to forbidding measures that will mitigate climate change, such as passing laws that allow oil and gas companies to ignore any guidelines about emissions and to promote more pollution as much as possible.
You "trust the science" types are all the same, don't want to admit a t-shirt wrapped around your face never prevented viral transmission. Wait till it get's cold outside, go breath into sub freezing temps through that rag, look at that vapor trail, N95 mask has no trail in those conditions. Congratulations, you've just proven cloth masks don't work and you need to STFU.
The mod is the biggest piece of disingenuous shit I've seen today.
@BeardedSingleMalt
That was the genius in JoJo Rabbit—showing just how absolutely pathetic and weak fascists are.
Yeah, the joke is that he just assumes living a comfortable life without struggle equals falling down the consoomer rabbit hole and blowing your dopamine stores on watching porn the whole day or something, and not that you could use it for any number of fulfilling activities.
I'd take the boring, comfy life any time, and when I want something challenging to do, I pick learning to play the violin over going out and starting a race war, thank you very much.
exactly. I never understood folks who had trouble with retirement to. I can garden, or read, or walk, or volunteer, or just an infinite number of things.
haha yeah enough of you
this thread truly has brought out some curious contestants
a curious game. the only way to win is to not flood a thread calling out a white supremacist with slurs, nazi shit, and covid misinformation
WOPR catches fire and the 37-year-old chan poster puppeteering it from the inside runs out screaming
Yeah The Netherlands sucks a lot of if you only listen to the racist right. (A similar thing would happen if you were to listen to the poor Dutch minorities/disabled people/immigrants etc and took that as the whole of the Dutch experience (which is to say we still have room for improvement, and some people have it a lot better than others)).
There's a difference in having a personality that gets easily bored of luxury and believing conflict is what inherently gives life a meaning. Maus puts it: "Suffering doesn't make people better, it just makes them suffer"
If someone's life is so damn easy and hedonistic they're actually getting bored of it, there are good ways and bad ways of introducing adversity and getting out of your comfort zone. The negation of being a slave to the hedonic treadmill[1] is not an eternal war for domination.
1: A strange figure of speech, who the hell thinks treadmills are hedonistic?
Ok so suffering wasn't mentioned before, you brought that in. Struggle or conflict was. It's just basically a Captain Kirk speech on humanity.
It's a euphemism for boring
“I moved to a place to be surrounded by white people, and decided I didn’t like white people because those white people weren’t hostile enough nor did they have enough of a desire to conquer other people. This made me realize white people are weak, so now I’m disappointed in them. But actually it’s because the white people in that area came from inferior nations 🤡.”
That’s the premise of the article to save you from having to read absolute horse shit. That guy is a waste of atoms.
I would summarize as, "I learned that just being born white doesn't make you superior to others..." yes yes yes yes "...because there are white people who suck, too." Oh no.
It's like asking someone what "4+4" is and then they write out this long algorithm inexplicably including division and multiplication and some functions for some reason, and at the end they come up with 9. It took you so long to get so close, but in the end you still completely fucked it up.
Basically he's like the dudes who left Twitter for Gab or Truth Social and found it boring because there weren't any libs to own.
At first I wondered why a post about a man disavowing white supremacy wasn't NSFW; but it's because he didn't get any better? He's not a white supremacist because white supremacy is too inclusive and not racist enough against the shittier whites? He concluded that an ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL REGION was genetic backwash before he considered self-reflection?
It is completely insane what the substack/X combo is doing to young men. It's like CTE but concentrated entirely on the part of your brain that lets you tolerate other races.
Well yeah, because he’s the sort of person who becomes a white supremacist. They’re not smart people, they’re miserable people looking for something to blame for their own failures. So yeah of course he decided to blame midwesterners for being the catholic Germans instead of the Protestant Germans
Also this comment from the motte is definitely ethnonationalist, no?
It's the Motte special. Comments that are structurally culture critiques, but functionally a Turner Diaries summary.
The way tha “cuck” has been elevated to a genuine category in their armchair social science is such a warm breeze of insanity whenever I come across it
Internet weirdo to salt-of-the-earth Midwesterners: at least you're all not cucks!
SotEMW: cucks?
IW: you know, like that porn where a white dude watches black dudes fuck his wife!
SotEMW: <racks shotgun slide> get the hell away from my daughter
At this point I have to genuinly wonder how many people using the term "cuck" actually have any idea what it means.
remember when Tea Partiers were teabagging?
And then they denied that any of them had ever embraced the term, stapled tea bags to their hats, etc.
* the cuckchair social sciences
I dont know if I'm not as smart as I thought, or not as knowledgeable in pseudoscience as I thought because this just reads to me like someone who sniffs their own farts stroking their ego because they shit out a comment they think is incredibly meaningful.
Agreed. This person is basically just discovering he doesn't actually like people in a general sense and he can't use the self gaslighting notion of skin color to pretend there's people out there he actually likes. His window of acceptable is so small he's practically the only one who can squeeze through.
In part he can't let go of whiteness as a label and synonym of superiority so when he finds a version of whiteness he finds subpar and unworthy by his own veiws of what it should be he compares that version of whiteness to... (checks notes) the Ming dynasty Chinese. He starts describing everything in what has been trained into him as language describing the inferior.
All he ever really wanted was to be openly horrible to everyone with little to no consequences... Because kindness and empathy is just not something he understands. If it doesn't serve him directly it's trash. It's easy to pretend to an in-group when you just shout the same nonsense and get rewarded with pats on the back for playing along, but that doesn't translate to people legitimately caring about you. It's not actual empathy and human connection. It's just reciprocity. The minute you stop playing tit-for-tat in a reciprocity based movement for any reason you get abandoned. This guy is so far along that pipeline that he can't leave and can't distinguish the human in anyone. It's sad.
Completely agree. But while it is sad, at the same time I also am starting to lose empathy for them because they get to a point where they start to just want everyone to be miserable like they are. And when you get enough of them, they can start doing some real damage.
Yeah.. I don't mean sad in a "I want to make taking on their bullshit and trying to redeem them my personal project" kind of way. They desire empathy and I can understand where they come from (even if it's grounded in evil bullshit) but babystepping them bit by bit into being reasonable to be around is gunna light whomever tries to do it's mental health on fire.
I do not afford them empathy. Saying that I understand and feel the situation is sad isn't pathos. They made this bed through a series of conscious choices and there is a human cost to believing what they believe that is unconscionable. I am simply sad that the situation has progressed to this.
He's (very wordly) paraphrasing the common esoteric right wing belif that anti-racism is a belief only truly held by whites, and that it is simultaneously the contemporary western white's only mistake.
A cousin from the same parent thread goes a step further and claims that whites...
...are GENETICALLY inclined to support diversity, which is a claim so fantastically racist that it might just offend everyone on Earth.
What the fuck is "slatism"? That's not a word, innit?
"blank slatism", here used to mean those fools that don't think race science is true
I think it should be hyphenated, "blank-slatism" but I can't be bothered to figure out what meaning the term is supposed to convey.
I made it embarrassingly far into this article, but it was "five figure wagecuck hell" that for some reason made me stop and think, why am I still reading this garbage?
Welcome to the abyss! Here's your hazmat suit with a leak! It sucks here!
Identical experience. Goddamnit kid just get drunk and write a bad poem
I made it a lot farther before I just couldn't anymore. I was kinda hoping for some kind of real self-reflection or ability to further understand the mindset of people like him but it's just the same "sigma grindset" bullshit they always spout.
TL;DR: "I'm no longer a white nationalist because a lot of white people are cucked. Now my new identity is with sufficiently pilled white people. This is much more pragmatic. Also I would totally have a cool black friend if any actually existed which means I'm totally not racist."
Also: did anyone else feel a chill reading about a literal nazi talking about how society accepts him now? America used to despise nazis and now they feel like they can walk around openly. It's terrifying.
I reacted to that too, "no need to be an overt WN now that society accepts us!" but I think that's partly bravado.
For example, he loves Twitter now but Elon still hasn't given his account back...
Yes, that stuck with me very much. It's one thing to hear fellow leftists talk about how Trump shifted the Overton window. It's a whole different thing to hear that a Nazi fully feels the effects of it having truly shifted.
This reminds me of a report from the Nazi ambassador to Iceland sometime in the late 1930s. He was posted there, expecting to find a model Aryan utopia, as could only be inevitable from a population of pure Nordic blood, but was bitterly disappointed to find a provincial backwater whose people were happy to stay put and get on with their lives. The schadenfreude was palpable.
More recently there was a family from Canada who moved to Russia because Canada was too "woke" only to find that Russia wasn't the woke free paradise they expected.
According to Wonkette, they're now in danger of deportation because they don't know any Russian, and don't seem interested in learning it
https://www.wonkette.com/p/canadian-idiots-who-fled-to-russia
I'd watch this livestream
Dude sold his farm and moved his entire family (wife+8 fucking kids!) on a fucking whim. I feel bad for the kids and hope none of them grow up to be as stupid as their dad.
Sask strong!
An undertone in Dutch weird right wing twitter is a desire to move to Russia/(sometimes Viktor Orbáns Hungary) because at least there they still have freedoms and rights. And they accuse the left of living in a filter bubble.
I bet they started blaming Russia's communist past for all its current "wokeness"
I just read an account of the Nazi occupation of Norway in WW2 and it was a bit like that. The local Nazis (the OG Quisling!) were widely hated, there was passive resistance at every turn, and very few Norwegians were interested in some sort of "racial bond" with Germany.
online or deadtree? either way I'd be interested in reading that
Deadtree and in Swedish: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52641078-under-st-veln-norge-1940-1945
Dude writes with the type of unnecessarily wordy rhetoric that it makes me think he uses a thesaurus and chooses the biggest word he sees for a replacement.
the neoreactionary bloggers from the early 2010s, every one of the fuckers writes like this - they all fucking love Mencius Moldbug and think that's the model of the best possible writing
Tbh I like it, even if the content is vile shitpoison. But I also like that super crunchy, pulpy type of writing that lacks subtlety, so my taste in prose is objectively bad.
lol. I know people who love the poetry of Moldbug's writing style. I am ...not one.
That and the way he acts like he's totally objective and pragmatic, definitely not scared to death of PoC.
I would dare wager that he utilizes a tome of the variety known as "thesaurus" likewise as you just have
Catholics, well known for their low fertility
Every sperm is sacred.
Is it my original ideas that are wrong? No I have just discovered a new degenerate race of humans.
Edit: A glorious sneer from twitter
I love the criticizing the Midwest for bland conformity. Like that’s more our thing than being disturbingly monoracial. Next he’s gonna bitch about the goths at Walmart and the refusal to spend money on luxury goods. That’s just what the Midwest is like
I saw @gerikson's comments after seeing this one and had to click on the tiny thumbnail of his profile pic to make sure it wasn't this exact Squidward face.
But that clearly is from elden ring. (When gerikson gets angry it turns red).
is ok i can be squidward too
I thought you were Patrick.
Lol he needs to get the fuck out of here
Sincerely, A far left Midwestern queer lady who grew up German Catholic
"During the early 2010s White Americans were under serious attack as a collective in a way that warranted an organized response."
White American here and I can unequivocally state that this was not true then and it's not true now.
I had to really think hard about what happened in 2010 for him to allege such a thing and for the life of me I couldn't think of anything until I realized that we elected a black president in 2008, so perhaps I just didn't watch enough conservative media which presumably was giving it's users a constant barrage of your "under attack" fud.
I'll bet you it was the ACA.
Google is telling me it was March 2010 apparently for the ACA? Sounds like a winner.
You have to remember that this guy was 12 at the time
You guys notice how he capitalizes "white" but not "black" even when they're used in the same sentence? A pathetic little weirdo to the last little detail.
also capitalizes a couple other racial group references when the mood strikes, all "tactically" used/chosen
the amount of effort you have to expend just to hate that specifically.... fucking mental
i'm shocked that regular midwest socially conservative normal people didn't flock to him
can't just rush in with that kind of newfangled highfallutin' racism, amirite?! /s
he's clearly still convinced that if you could just purge the degenerates you'd get a utopia. but his post is a nice illustration of how if that actually happens they'll just keep inventing new ways to classify people as degenerate. fascists need, at all times, a face to stamp on
It is a fantastic example that their racist delusions are all made up. Whiteness is whatever they feel like in the moment. "These Chads and Staceys are a genetically inferior low-T line of white, I am the real lineage."
the virgin chad vs the chad virgin
It's impossible to stop returning to that steaming pile of dogshit post and find something new to sneer at:
SO? WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU WASTE OF SPACE?
If I could talk to him I might say - I mean, if you are out of your Far Right phase (and it was really just a phase) maybe the idea of a man sucking cock shouldn't be your go-to example of a thing you imply can never be forgiven.
But that's none of my business, I'm just a puppet depicting a frog drinking tea.
So much to unpack. What the fuck is "Far Left"? How do you treat women eating pussy? Differently in college than after college? Why?
I completely agree with framing all Alt Righters as cocksuckers, but I'm not sure that's what was meant here.
You've got to get in their twisted headspace* to decode it. They mean the former is somewhat acceptable straight behavior, while the latter is "too gay" for stupid reasons.
*not recommended for longer periods of time
Ignore me I feel stupider just trying to explain it idk, but I'm just straight enough that I can see what they mean even if I can't really translate it for a normal person
That right there illustrates what that comment actually means. As a man, I'm assuming you are because of the context of being just straight enough to understand this, traditional society has created this expectation of manliness. That includes having an emotional, and especially a sexual, barrier against other men.
This expectation is not socially present in women. So it's "ok" from a social standpoint to be a woman into women, but it violates manliness protocol for a man to be into men.
What this guy in the original comment is demonstrating is that he is entirely beholden to traditional social protocol, and he's making the comparison, somewhat ironically, that being far right is viewed as a violation of the same social expectations while being far left isn't.
No, you just don't understand. The real punks want to codify existing social and sexual norms into inviolable legally enforced rules backed by state violence.
Just to underscore this, the Bible explicitly condemns male-on-male homosexuality and doesn't even mention female-on-female.
Although a true white chad society like ancient Greece understands that there's nothing more manly than the love between two men.
You're lucky that you don't know all the fucked stereotypes going into this. If you really wanna know, I'm pretty sure it's:
I always say jk after sucking a dick so it doesn't count.
a whore on stage, a comedian in bed
Post reads like he tried the penis implants mentioned in the stubsack and now has regrets
oh dawg
I didn't previously know I needed this in my life but "mentioned in the stubsack" needs to become a household phrase
Truly a gift that shall keep on giving
Genital augmentation and the word "stubsack" in the same sentence is an awkward cocktail.
I believe you meant to write "delicious"
fond of cock as i am, i think i'll pass by this one
I 100% really did not intend for the name to work so well with that context but am once again thankful for all the gifts it brings.
Cheezus! That's like a lot of discussion and commentary about a random fascist chud, over at the Motte, innit?
Yeah dude i was looking for schadenfruede but all i got was a masturbatory tirade about how this guy isn't calling himself a white nationalist anymore because republicans are basically racist enough for him now and don't have the skinheaded baggage of his former friends. I honestly hope he dies on the toilet.
and - a key point - his prospective tradwaifus don't want him
But only because he's not a "smooth brained chud " like their boyfriends and has totally slept with over a 100 women ::eye roll::
I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.
E: also themotte mentions the 'alt light' (not by name) but I heard a rumor that apparently a lot of these yt alt light people were paid by shady people to make rightwing content. The YT'er (sorry if you know any of those) chrisraygun apparently revealed it, but I have not looked into it at all.
No clue whatsoever, but I got the impression from the way they were talking about this guy, that they are basically sophisticated fascists and reactionaries.
it's an offshoot from the r/slatestarcodex subreddit and scott alexander has directly recommended it to slatestarcodex readers
it's wordy Nazis debating things
That context means almost nothing to me. I'm not familiar with those actors either. But I can understand "wordy nazis" at least 😅
Scott Alexander Siskind, his blog SlateStarCodex and now AstralCodexTen are a pack of lesswrong rationalists and deeply on-topic for sneerclub, sadly, so you probably willl in future
Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to fill me in
Kind of off topic, but this piece of wall to wall insanity reminded me how Steven Pinker tried to explain away southern US crime rates that didn't fit with his Violence Is Declining And In Fact Everything's Improving Inexorably (As Long As You Don't Rock The Boat) thesis by randomly blaming irish-catholic sheepherder genealogy.
Scotch-Irish Presbyterian cattle ranchers, IIRC.
Now hold on, I don’t want to say he’s WHOLLY wrong about my people
Damn scots ruining everything again!
White nationalists learning about the actual history of European immigration to the US and which groups came in at which times is some of the funniest shit overall. "It's... it's all bullshit? They just kept changing what whiteness meant every year? They still do? :O" Also, props for moving to the Midwest without needing to save money
Walt Bismarck was a dude who got big making racist Disney song parodies.
I'm always very nonplussed about what claims to pass for thought in white nationalist crowds.
The stopped-clock moment in this whole is definitely where he dimly grasps that Republican audiences are way more openly positive to white nationalism than they were.
like staying out of jail? and making profit off loons? at least, I'm guessing those are the priorities
So I've never heard of (or maybe I've forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of "rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint" kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually "we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone's views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted."
They've got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be "bigotry not welcome."
My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another "We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we're really for the right" kind of a place?
it is indeed a place for rational and reasoned discussion of why the fourteen words are correct, yes.
Ah very well. (Edit - morbid curiosity drove me to read the thread on hip hop. Yeesh. I shoulda just done that before I asked.)
Jesus fuck, I hate myself so I couldn't help but take a peek. The first comment says "TL;DR but I will still counterargue!" The OP then responds "that's stupid" and gets slapped by the admin for personal attacks. So basically, you can make personal attacks if your account has a history of agreeing with the zeitgeist and you veil them behind enough qualifiers. What an absolute joke of a message board.
I think some of them truly believe that more words makes their comment smarter, too. At one point I was thinking "there's no way your misinformed opinions regarding cherrypicked hiphop examples and open musings about how unfair it is not to be able to say the n-word could possibly require that wordcount."
I also noticed there was no hesitation about using n-word uncensored within the comment.
THEY HAVE A THREAD ON HIP HOP!?> LINDA HOLD MY GODDAMN CLALS
I warn you it's not even good rage bait. It's a bunch of folks who think they know the entire breadth of what comes under the category of hiphop but cherrypick a few specific styles and examples to paint it all with a very broad brush. Their analysis even of the songs they specify is remarkably superficial, as is their view of the entire genre.
When I reached the inevitable "they can say the N word but we can't" pontification I stopped reading.
Rage bait? My child, I am an anthropologist
Well shit, let me know if you post, I might pop some popcorn and go back to the thread to watch.
In addition to what David said the motto is also a spinoff of Slatestarscodex reddit, where they had a 'culture war' thread which was a containment thread for the culture war topics (which is a bad idea, containment threads cause spillover in the rest of the community (see for example discords with 'everything goes' meme channels or the ur example /pol/), which was spin off from the subreddit because it was getting so bad. Scott (slatestarcodex) played the game of cryptoneoreactionary 'sorry you feel that way' disavowal of the thread but still vague endorsed themotte.
I'm still annoyed I didn't take screenshots of the replies on themotte trying to recruit people into blood and soil (a neo-nazi term if you are not up to that terminology) homesteading community. I still wonder if they deleted their own reply, themotte mods did it (doubtful as they seem to be very into also leaving mod messages for transparancy) or if it was the reddit admins.
Anyway, the place sucks, and basically anything vile goes there if you use enough words, references, and are vague enough about it. (So don't say 'I want to kill people who cheat' you write a 4000k word post on your ideal society which includes references to capital punishment for cuckolds).
Whenever I find something like this from an author I haven't heard of before, I try to look them up to make sure I'm not being ragebaited by an imaginary person for the sake of ad revenue(although being hosted archive.org makes that mostly moot). Holyshit, this guy use to make Alt-right disney parodies and was proud enough to upload them. OneyPlays rips into the guy here. This guy is a perfect parody of alt-right smooth brainlessness. No wonder he thinks stereotypes are real. He's a living one.
... Jesus Christ.
So this guy had to regress back to before non-english types got their white card, got it 😂
Gross. White nationalists should be called what they are, bigots made of dog excrement. Their ancestors would not just be totally ashamed of them, but would actively disown them in every possible way. They are not what represents America and it's ideals, but the exact opposite; they represent horror, hate, subtraction, and misery.
I think the reason they behave like they do is because their own personal lives are so miserable. It's no surprise they have bad relationships and can't get along with reasonable people.
Anyway I wish there was a separate, walled-off island where they could all go and shoot at each other indiscriminately and hang each other from trees over stupid minor differences. If that's what they want, the live in utter hell, then that's exactly what they so richly deserve to have.
If you don't think white supremacy and nationalism represents American ideals I've got a reality check for you. It absolutely does and there has never been a time when that wasn't true. "Our" country was built on horror, hate, subtraction, and misery.
Maybe I should have said, white supremacy and nationalist don't represent what the dream of America is SUPPOSED to be about. I'm not naive, I'm well aware that unfortunately those things do represent a hell of lot of what's happened here.
All too true that our country was built on a history of violence, displacement, and mistreatment of others, and that's something we need to not erase or forget about, but keep reminding ourselves of so we don't repeat the horrors of the past.
I do agree with you on all the points you're making.
I think I know what you mean when you say that but I think you're still saying basically the same thing. The so called American dream is based on those horrific and violent ideals. We need to go back much farther in our history or look into the history of others if we want to find a time that we had uncorrupted or rather non selfish values. I'm still not sure it ever existed, it certainly hasn't in this "country". What I am sure of is that we can make a better future with or without the outdated notions of American ideals .
Agreed and let's hope we do build a better future despite the horrors of our past.
Agreed. Thanks for the interesting discussion :)
Thank YOU as well, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
your heart's in the right place
Thanks - my heart's in the right place, I just have to get the rest of me there somehow. Sorry for going off, but it was something I felt needed saying.
I love it there's a comment attacking him for not wanting to preserve the white race. "The fuck's the matter with you?
I can understand if you're a mestizo groyper who just wants to do what's right and to live in a generically-good society, but if you're a white man of competence, you have a duty to do what you can ensure the long-term survival of your heritage.
Of children born to at least one white parent, only 80% are racially pure"
The follow-up destroyed me
The
neo-nazisgroypersreactionariesCaucasian enjoyers have reached peak levels of eating each otheralways heartwarming when you see how nazis hate each other as much as they hate the rest of us
there's an I Don't Speak German where Daniel talks about some Nazi streamer who is outraged that the Left have this magic hack of being nice and helpful to each other and it's totally unfair
Also amazed me re protests, far right prepping for protests: 'we should train how to march or hold a shield wall'. Far left: 'here is a guide on how to deal with common injuries, we should have people as medics, and provide some snacks, drinks, and guidance for people on what to do when they get kettled/arrested'.
What??? Are you telling me a land populated by Polacks, Finns, Czecks, and others who fled European imperialism with a cultural tendency for understatement might have a negative view towards arrogant imperialists?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXvZ9YRjbo
The food news is this useless cunt will die one day.
Soylent green is useless white nationalists!
bovine spongiform fascism
Drunk typo takes an unexpected twist!
The next RW moral panic is going to be 'The left is normalizing cannibalism' so good job there drunk you, feeding the propaganda machine.
I wish I was kidding.
'zactly
you can go all pseudo-evolutionary and argue that the Midwest is bland and unadventurous because all the people with vim and drive fucked off to the coasts to bang "art hoes" and make money, leaving only the tillers of the soil left to breed among themselves. But that would upset his bizarre ideas of white people sticking to themselves.
He's more of a rootless cosmopolitan than he perhaps cares to realize.
Yeah, trash article. Could only really stand to skim it. The one funny part, wasn't when I looked back to double check.