And then Jesus showed up and said, and I quote, "...if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." But in Aramaic, I guess.
And also learn to look at different things with both your eye at the same time Bro what are you doing wasting your life looking at the same thing with both day after day when you could be looking at twice as many things
Well that’s their mental back handspring with a twist they do: wandering eyes are sinful, and they are good Christians, they don’t want their eyes to wander because, again, they’re “good Christians.” So if they don’t want their eyes to wander, and god doesn’t want their eyes to wander, it’s the filthy harlots in their “immodest dress” that are the problem.
Not the religion that has brainwashed them into thinking human sexuality is perverse and made them have full on diarrhea mouth.
Just remember that these are the kind of people that believe that without the word of God to dictate morality to humanity that literally everyone would be a murdering, raping, cannibalistic monster. They literally cannot understand that people can be good without the fear of eternal damnation looming over them at all times.
Repeating myself, but the jackass who made Supersize Me had a short-lived tv show where people of opposing backgrounds swapped lives. The christian nutter went to live with Muslims and talked about how if you don't get your values from the bible, he can't imagine what you must believe.
You're spot on with this comment. They absolutely have an inability to think outside the confines of their own mental prisons. I'm sure that even pre-language proto-humans could discern morality and whether their actions were justified or not, even if unable to articulate the concept.
A lot of non huma animals are able to understand that their actions have a good or bad impact on others. Those people rank very low on evolutionary scale.
Gross regardless but to be completely fair “cave in” within a conservative Christian context could literally mean just a side glance to get a good look at them
I get that is the ideal they'd like to pretend is happening, but let's be real that they're already doing that. Without the rose-tinted glasses perspective, this is not what is actually being communicated.
These guys believe that the only way morality happens is if big Sky Daddy is watching them at all times with threats of terrible punishment. It’s why they literally don’t understand how non-Christians can be moral people.
Oh, I know. I have a mom who believes that she is entitled to be the most despicable and horrible person on earth because she prays to The Jesus™ for Forgiveness®, which makes everything she does A-OK!
If you’re unfamiliar, I envy you. Not because it’s bad, but because you somehow avoided them for this long and can experience their music for the first time. It’s very internet-old, and it’s all very funny.
I wasn't saying you're doing that, rather that Christians thought police each other and themselves because one can't even think a lustful thought without being in violation of religious rules.
The "before I cave in" remark is probably just about failing the "avert my eyes" thing and looking at the women in the Mat 5:28, committing adultery in your heart kind of way. From a Catholic perspective OOP's concerns are completely reasonable as even thinking about sex too hard is supposed to send you to the forever torture zone. I doubt this guy is a hair trigger away from committing SA but the situation is disturbing in a few other ways
Source: am ex-cradle-Catholic and read all the stuff about sexual morality
even thinking about sex too hard is supposed to send you to the forever torture
Except for the part where literally any crime imaginable can be forgiven if you repent and believe in Jesus. Which kinda makes all the different rules Christianity imposes on its adherents completely moot.
Yeah the "thought crime" aspects of some religions seems to be incredibly damaging. Like your brain is not fully under your control. Thought is a messy place. Treating it as an evil to always be expunged and rigidly controlled tends to translate into some pretty toxic behaviours or at the very least an erosion of self worth.
The really insidious part of the Christian mythology is that it takes your most basic dive as a species to procreate and tells you it's a sin. And of course, the only cure for that sin is the church that told you it is a sin.
He's talking about things like lust, or masturbation, not assaulting someone. Thoughts that you consider normal, are things that religious people struggle with.
I literally hated myself if I got horny enough to masturbate, usually upwards to half a year of repressing myself. I refused to pursue romantic relationships, considering myself not good enough, despite others showing very direct interest.
It's so stupid the Bible has so many big rules and this is a small interpretation, like the gay thing or the don't eat seafood thing or stone your slaves thing. So unnecessary
Christianism preaches so much compassion, yet also teaches Christians not to have compassion even for themselves, for what is the natural reactions of impulses of the mind and body. Feeling lust towards someone you're attracted to is natural. Feeling anger towards someone who harms you is natural. What matters is whether your actions you choose to commit after having those thoughts may bring harm to yourself or others, but when you think you have a security guard monitoring your thoughts every second of your life, it's much harder to reach that conclusion. Like another user said down here, this guy would have a much healthier life if he just had a wank when he came back home.
The zealot is ridiculous of course, but some people really try too hard showing off their body, both genders. Just wear some fucking pants please I don’t want to use a machine you just had jammed up your asscrack no matter how "well" you wiped it down
This part of the bible I still think makes sense as an atheist, people have to accept their own responsibility and stop blaming other people for their own fallings.
This guy in reddit sounds dangerous the way he talks about women and caving in.
My thoughts? You're a piece of shit and should absolutely leave that gym and do your workouts at home or behind bars where you more than likely belong.
A lot of you are acting like he's trying to impose his will on others when he really isn't. If you fail to see that nuance, you're just as prejudice as the religious folks you love to hate. This is supposed to be religious cringe, not atheist cringe... but nowadays atheism is practically a religion too, so I guess it fits.
The tone of Christian Gym Goer is teetering on incel. He doesn't take responsibility, he pushes that on to the "immodest women" who "don't follow the dress code".
If the mere presence of women in non-restrictive clothing causes Christian Gym Man to have to immediately pack up and exit the vicinity, that's really weird. This man need to learn some executive function, not complain about immodest women.
Also, the whole "so much for the tolerant left!" argument is so trite and weak. Intolerance OF intolerance is 100% necessary, and not equal on either side of the isle. The Christian intolerance of "I want to enforce women to a dress code because I can't control my sexual urges" is worse than "you shouldnt do that".
You are using the phrase "tone policing" in a way that makes me think you don't know what it means. threeduck isn't saying "wow this man shouldn't be complaining on the internet" or "boy, the wording in this post is HARSH", he is taking issue with the content of the post, where the man does not recognize that he himself is the originator of these thoughts and places blame (rather indirectly, but he's still doing it) on immodest women and dress codes.
His religion has taught him the thoughts themselves are spiritual poison instead of the truth: the thoughts are natural. It is important to recognize them, adjust your behavior depending on the content of those thoughts, and move on. It is natural to see a nice butt and feel attraction. It is not good to continue staring. This is why this post is in religious cringe: His religion has made him to feel as though his own thoughts are sinful, and removed his ability to cope with them in a healthy way. He is harmed.
I'm rather unhappy about you adopting the phrase "tone policing" here. This phrase is used to describe how oppressed peoples are critiqued when speaking of their oppression. They're told they are too loud, angry, harsh, etc when they are experiencing violence, loss of rights and property. This man is not oppressed, he just needs some self reflection. No one is taking issue with his tone, only with his inability to recognize his own agency in this situation. I do hope he found good advice on reddit.
The fact that he asked an open question didn't mean he doesn't judge. He mentions gym regulations and calls other people's behavior “immodest”. Of course he'd prefer a solution in which those harlots are taught how to dress properly.
Also your last line is a really tired cliche. Big “if you call me a Nazi, you're the real Nazi” vibes (and no, I didn't compare anyone to a Nazi)
So it's not just his tone, but my tone too. You're putting me in a position where I'm supposed to defend things I never said about things that guy never said. Save this shit for your imaginary shower arguments.
This is a legitimate "issue" though. Not so much on my current gym but on the one I went to previously. Now don't get me wrong; I love seeing women dressed that way. I'm just not sure they like me and every other guy there zoning out between sets just staring at them. Working out is hard enough. I don't want to have to conscioussly avoid staring at the women there the whole time. This is why I think there should be more gyms just for guys the same way there's women-only gyms aswell. I prefer lifting heavy weights with just sweaty ugly men around me.
And then Jesus showed up and said, and I quote, "...if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." But in Aramaic, I guess.
Problem with sexy ladies? Not their problem.
Gouging you eye is exactly quitting gym in this context. If going so specific place causes you to stumble, don't go to that place.
To be fair, he said they would be thrown to the Valley of Hinnom. Not the nicest of places, sure, but not literally a fiery hell.
Well...that valley is also referred to as the one with the unquenchable fire.
Are you talking about the one in modern day Turkmenistan? Cause Hinnom is southwest of Jerusalem near Mount Zion.
I mean this one by Jerusalem.
And also learn to look at different things with both your eye at the same time Bro what are you doing wasting your life looking at the same thing with both day after day when you could be looking at twice as many things
Dude, just go home and have a wank like a normal weirdo.
He most likely does and posting to social media is his way to pay penance and make himself feel superior to his peers.
He's gotta make sure you know the real villain!
It's not his wandering eyes, it's the immodest harlots not following rules.
I feel like I read something about plucking out wandering eyes... Hmm must be from some obscure atheist text.
Well that’s their mental back handspring with a twist they do: wandering eyes are sinful, and they are good Christians, they don’t want their eyes to wander because, again, they’re “good Christians.” So if they don’t want their eyes to wander, and god doesn’t want their eyes to wander, it’s the filthy harlots in their “immodest dress” that are the problem.
Not the religion that has brainwashed them into thinking human sexuality is perverse and made them have full on diarrhea mouth.
Per the usual, punish the sex thats simply daring to go out on public not wearing a burka. Its their fault this good man nearly,
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wanked.
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Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.
Yeah and god is abso-fucking-lutely beyond furious with me.
Or just jerk off before you go to the gym
Just remember that these are the kind of people that believe that without the word of God to dictate morality to humanity that literally everyone would be a murdering, raping, cannibalistic monster. They literally cannot understand that people can be good without the fear of eternal damnation looming over them at all times.
Repeating myself, but the jackass who made Supersize Me had a short-lived tv show where people of opposing backgrounds swapped lives. The christian nutter went to live with Muslims and talked about how if you don't get your values from the bible, he can't imagine what you must believe.
You're spot on with this comment. They absolutely have an inability to think outside the confines of their own mental prisons. I'm sure that even pre-language proto-humans could discern morality and whether their actions were justified or not, even if unable to articulate the concept.
A lot of non huma animals are able to understand that their actions have a good or bad impact on others. Those people rank very low on evolutionary scale.
From Ricky Gervais' show After Life.
https://youtu.be/aB01BL0jVe8?si=212dcxJE8higqXBF
Yikes.
Cave into what? Dude saw a woman in yoga pants, and now he has to go on a rape rampage? Wtf?
Gross regardless but to be completely fair “cave in” within a conservative Christian context could literally mean just a side glance to get a good look at them
I dunno, they get up to some creepy shit. Have you read their Bible? It’s pretty fucked up.
Oh yes i have, my point is still valid that he might mean something far more innocent than what it sounds like.
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I get that is the ideal they'd like to pretend is happening, but let's be real that they're already doing that. Without the rose-tinted glasses perspective, this is not what is actually being communicated.
These guys believe that the only way morality happens is if big Sky Daddy is watching them at all times with threats of terrible punishment. It’s why they literally don’t understand how non-Christians can be moral people.
Oh, I know. I have a mom who believes that she is entitled to be the most despicable and horrible person on earth because she prays to The Jesus™ for Forgiveness®, which makes everything she does A-OK!
He means jizz in his pants.
Aaaaaand that link is gonna stay blue
Best leave this one blue as well
Never gonna
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You're missing out
Sorry, but I’m never gonna give that click up, because I think the link would let me down.
Never gonna give
Never gonna give
Give it up
I promise you it won't, but if you still won't click, at least go look up The Lonely Island "Jizz in my Pants". Fantastically stupid comedy song.
If you’re unfamiliar, I envy you. Not because it’s bad, but because you somehow avoided them for this long and can experience their music for the first time. It’s very internet-old, and it’s all very funny.
While I think the whole thing is yikes, I think in this instance he’s referring to caving in to masturbation/porn, not rape… I hope.
I’m really naive and thought he just meant starring.
According to a lot of ex Christians in the comments, staring is probably exactly what he meant
Just thinking lustful thoughts even if he doesn’t stare and nobody else notices anything. Literal thought policing.
I think you may have misread what he’s saying
Seems like it, deleted and apologized
I wasn't saying you're doing that, rather that Christians thought police each other and themselves because one can't even think a lustful thought without being in violation of religious rules.
I see,sorry for misinterpreting you!
Hopefully, it just sound icky
The "before I cave in" remark is probably just about failing the "avert my eyes" thing and looking at the women in the Mat 5:28, committing adultery in your heart kind of way. From a Catholic perspective OOP's concerns are completely reasonable as even thinking about sex too hard is supposed to send you to the forever torture zone. I doubt this guy is a hair trigger away from committing SA but the situation is disturbing in a few other ways
Source: am ex-cradle-Catholic and read all the stuff about sexual morality
Except for the part where literally any crime imaginable can be forgiven if you repent and believe in Jesus. Which kinda makes all the different rules Christianity imposes on its adherents completely moot.
Level 0 Christians learn it and it should make sense to you too, it's not about punishment, it's your own choice to break the rules
Nothing in the bible says to enforce shit on others, in fact to stop doing that is preached everywhere in it
Yeah the "thought crime" aspects of some religions seems to be incredibly damaging. Like your brain is not fully under your control. Thought is a messy place. Treating it as an evil to always be expunged and rigidly controlled tends to translate into some pretty toxic behaviours or at the very least an erosion of self worth.
I feel I had a very different Catholic upbringing because I don't find this reasonable from a Catholic perspective at all.
That's the thing - there are Catholics, and then there are Catholics.
"Oh, my God, that's disgusting! Women dressing immodestly? Where? Where were they at? The gym? Which one, there’s so many!"
"Before I cave in"??? Bro just masturbate
That would be caving in to these people.
Can't, it would make Jesus cry. This dude either doesn't masturbate or does it more often than most
The really insidious part of the Christian mythology is that it takes your most basic dive as a species to procreate and tells you it's a sin. And of course, the only cure for that sin is the church that told you it is a sin.
Bruh im atheist and I'm asking the lord for strength at my gym lmao.
We all go to the gym for strength, friend.
"cave in"
Like are we talking flirting or rape? Or masturbation?
Do we have to call the authorities (Jesus) on his ass?
Clearly before he stares at them and gets a boner that's difficult to hide.
"before i cave in" get this man on a list before he hurts someone fr
He's talking about things like lust, or masturbation, not assaulting someone. Thoughts that you consider normal, are things that religious people struggle with.
I literally hated myself if I got horny enough to masturbate, usually upwards to half a year of repressing myself. I refused to pursue romantic relationships, considering myself not good enough, despite others showing very direct interest.
I'm much mentally healthier out of it.
I knew a fundamentalist Christian once who felt so guilty after getting a little too touchy-feely that she would get physically ill.
It's so stupid the Bible has so many big rules and this is a small interpretation, like the gay thing or the don't eat seafood thing or stone your slaves thing. So unnecessary
Fornication was a pretty big rule in the Bible.
If thy right eye offend thee, bitch at strangers, for it is their fault for making you want to sin and not your fault for sinning
---Republican Matthew, 5:29-30
My thoughts are that this is bait primarily.
At least he's not putting the blame on the others.
It's fine if you want to go somewhere modest, just don't make other people dress modest because you want to go there.
He is implicitly putting the blame on others. He's blaming the women for how they dress, and the employees for not enforcing the 'dress code'.
True... But at least his solution is to remove himself from the situation as opposed to trying to make things change at the gym to suit his needs.
I wonder which gym this is.
Easy Mac! You probably still don’t have a membership so there is no way you are getting your pump on.
Going to the gym "for a few years?"
Planet Fatness for sure.
Christianism preaches so much compassion, yet also teaches Christians not to have compassion even for themselves, for what is the natural reactions of impulses of the mind and body. Feeling lust towards someone you're attracted to is natural. Feeling anger towards someone who harms you is natural. What matters is whether your actions you choose to commit after having those thoughts may bring harm to yourself or others, but when you think you have a security guard monitoring your thoughts every second of your life, it's much harder to reach that conclusion. Like another user said down here, this guy would have a much healthier life if he just had a wank when he came back home.
Only pray for so long before you cave into what, BigAshesive90210? Should we alert the authorities?
The zealot is ridiculous of course, but some people really try too hard showing off their body, both genders. Just wear some fucking pants please I don’t want to use a machine you just had jammed up your asscrack no matter how "well" you wiped it down
is your gym full of pants-less meat-bros? which gym is that.. for the curious?
Globo gym
I say this as an atheist, this man would do well by reading Matthew 18:9.
This part of the bible I still think makes sense as an atheist, people have to accept their own responsibility and stop blaming other people for their own fallings.
This guy in reddit sounds dangerous the way he talks about women and caving in.
I mean isn't that exactly what he's saying?
obviously there's plenty of other issues there but it seems like he's exactly following the logic of that verse.
his experiences at the gym were making it hard for him to suppress his lust and rather than masturbate he's removing himself from the situation.
My thoughts? You're a piece of shit and should absolutely leave that gym and do your workouts at home or behind bars where you more than likely belong.
I'll say it, it's a reasonable post. That super fine chick rocking the sweaty camel toe is a sight to behold. Sorry, but yea, I looked.
Don't post
Put some clothes on.
A lot of you are acting like he's trying to impose his will on others when he really isn't. If you fail to see that nuance, you're just as prejudice as the religious folks you love to hate. This is supposed to be religious cringe, not atheist cringe... but nowadays atheism is practically a religion too, so I guess it fits.
The tone of Christian Gym Goer is teetering on incel. He doesn't take responsibility, he pushes that on to the "immodest women" who "don't follow the dress code".
If the mere presence of women in non-restrictive clothing causes Christian Gym Man to have to immediately pack up and exit the vicinity, that's really weird. This man need to learn some executive function, not complain about immodest women.
Also, the whole "so much for the tolerant left!" argument is so trite and weak. Intolerance OF intolerance is 100% necessary, and not equal on either side of the isle. The Christian intolerance of "I want to enforce women to a dress code because I can't control my sexual urges" is worse than "you shouldnt do that".
Ah, so we're policing tone. I see.
You are using the phrase "tone policing" in a way that makes me think you don't know what it means. threeduck isn't saying "wow this man shouldn't be complaining on the internet" or "boy, the wording in this post is HARSH", he is taking issue with the content of the post, where the man does not recognize that he himself is the originator of these thoughts and places blame (rather indirectly, but he's still doing it) on immodest women and dress codes.
His religion has taught him the thoughts themselves are spiritual poison instead of the truth: the thoughts are natural. It is important to recognize them, adjust your behavior depending on the content of those thoughts, and move on. It is natural to see a nice butt and feel attraction. It is not good to continue staring. This is why this post is in religious cringe: His religion has made him to feel as though his own thoughts are sinful, and removed his ability to cope with them in a healthy way. He is harmed.
I'm rather unhappy about you adopting the phrase "tone policing" here. This phrase is used to describe how oppressed peoples are critiqued when speaking of their oppression. They're told they are too loud, angry, harsh, etc when they are experiencing violence, loss of rights and property. This man is not oppressed, he just needs some self reflection. No one is taking issue with his tone, only with his inability to recognize his own agency in this situation. I do hope he found good advice on reddit.
'atheism is a religion ' - you 14, mate?
Intentionally leaving out the word "practically" when you misquote me is some underhanded shit and you know it.
Here's why I said atheism is P R A C T I C A L L Y a religion:
Nope, none of those are from atheism
Dude, you don't know anything.
I hope you're cute
The fact that he asked an open question didn't mean he doesn't judge. He mentions gym regulations and calls other people's behavior “immodest”. Of course he'd prefer a solution in which those harlots are taught how to dress properly.
Also your last line is a really tired cliche. Big “if you call me a Nazi, you're the real Nazi” vibes (and no, I didn't compare anyone to a Nazi)
So it's not just his tone, but my tone too. You're putting me in a position where I'm supposed to defend things I never said about things that guy never said. Save this shit for your imaginary shower arguments.
I didn't say anything about tone. I quoted things he and you said that I disagree with content-wise. What are you talking about?
This is a legitimate "issue" though. Not so much on my current gym but on the one I went to previously. Now don't get me wrong; I love seeing women dressed that way. I'm just not sure they like me and every other guy there zoning out between sets just staring at them. Working out is hard enough. I don't want to have to conscioussly avoid staring at the women there the whole time. This is why I think there should be more gyms just for guys the same way there's women-only gyms aswell. I prefer lifting heavy weights with just sweaty ugly men around me.
Go on...