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lol we aren’t going to name them but they’re 16, twins, and their initiales are x and y. They did all the narrowing down needed for everyone to know without breaking the law and I love it

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Are these the idiots that were also kicking in doors of homes owned by black families?

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Obviously this sucks, but it's also quite interesting. They call themselves American Banderites. Banderites were far right Ukrainian nationalists, but since WW2 the term has mainly been used by Soviet propaganda and by the Putin regime:

In propaganda the term has been used by Soviets after 1942 as a pejorative term for Ukrainians, especially western Ukrainians, or Ukrainian speakers; under Vladimir Putin-ruled Russia the term was used by state media as a pejorative for Euromaidan activists and Ukrainians who support sovereignty from Russia ... Today, in Russian propaganda, the word is used to refer to all in Ukraine who back the idea of sovereignty from Russia; Ukrainian nationalist collaboration with Nazi Germany is also emphasized

This is why Ukrainians sometimes call themselves Judeo-Banderites, as a joke about how many Jewish people support the supposedly Nazi regime in Kiev and its Jewish president. Obviously, Ukraine does have a far right, but they're incredibly marginalised:

Ukraine does have a far-right movement, and its armed defenders include the Azov battalion, a far-right nationalist militia group. But no democratic country is free of far-right nationalist groups, including the United States. In the 2019 election, the Ukrainian far right was humiliated, receiving only 2% of the vote.

This was a bit of a tangent, but it sounds like these kids may have been influenced by Russian propaganda. Certainly interesting how the far right is divided over Ukraine, with some supporting Russia and some supporting Ukraine, despite the whole Jewish president and relatively pro-LGBT thing.

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lemmy.world

Why does their insignia have Russian at the bottom? Based on my basic understand of Russian, and what can be seen, it looks to be a (literal) translation of American Banderite Network

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sh.itjust.works

Hmm Russia and far-right neo-nazis groups across the globe?

What an odd combination, who could ever imagine why they might be linked.

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The Banderites were Ukrainian fascists who collaborated with the Nazis in killing Jews and Poles. (Also, the script is called Cyrillic, not Russian. Just as English's script is called Latin.)

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lemmy.zip

"For the sake of privacy let's call her Lisa S... No that's too obvious, let's say L. Simpson."

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lemmy.world

In legal documents juveniles are aways referred to be initials, so they're just mimicking that. It is shocking that a news outlet didn't just report the entire names though since they aren't legally obligated to protect it like the court is, as long as it's obtained legally. It's just really bad practice since most kids eventually mature and move on from stuff like this when given the right environments.

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lemmy.world

I see. The courts over here don't reveal names untill the sentence is passed. Unless you are a person of public interest

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I am actually confused on how this could happen, and why people would join?

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lemm.ee

Ah yes, expelling kids who were probably radicalised and need more help than the average person. Great idea /s

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lemmy.ca

They’re already a lost cause. Sorry if you don’t like that answer, but it’s the truth.

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reddthat.com

16 year old boys have always been easy-to-radicalize idiots, but most grow out of that and into mature adults. I should know, I was a 16 year old boy once and so were many of us here. 16 year old boys are fucking idiots, and writing them off for bad political views is how you let those bad political views fester and become permanent

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Cool, now go be a teacher in line of fire where these little radicals go to school. Make the difference yourself since you argue they should be allowed to be there but not that their peers should be allowed safety.

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That's not true at all. People are dumb as teenagers. This is obviously a really dumb move, but fundamentally as people, with help, they can change.

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lemm.ee

How do you know? It's very rare that people are actually a lost cause.

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Expelling doesn't mean cutting off education. It means removal from that specific school for a time. There are alternative schools specifically for these cases. So these little Nazis will end up shunted over there if they are not allowed to return to their original school.

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lemm.ee

Yeah, cut off education to the ignorant. Fucking brilliant lol.

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I think the argument could be made that the education was clearly not taking

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It's almost like we have other schools specifically for students who are expelled for violence/legal reasons.

Pretty sure they're called alternative schools. Expelling doesn't remove them from the education system, just that specific school.

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