"Huh so apparently she got killed by a falling ship mast? Alrighty."

<- clueless

do it do it do it do it do it it's so good

I really like it but I'm a fucking dumbass apparently, because I'm stuck in it and can't find any more clues to get further. not as much fun if you're a dumbass

Idk if it's an exaggeration or not to say that Outer Wilds changed my life. I played it years ago yet I still think about it nearly every day. I started learning guitar just to play songs from the game. Highly recommend lol

Just be so careful not to spoil anything. If you lookup hints, do it with keywords to avoid spoilers as much as possible!

One of a kind experience, definitely play it! 🙂

That game was an instant classic.

It's easily one of my favourite games of all time, I cannot recommend it enough!

It was definitely worth the price of admission, but I didn't enjoy it enough to finish. The time loop mechanic just got annoying for me after a while. Having to time lots of different things and if you mess up you have to wait 15 minutes to try again.

It's a fantastic game. Can't recommend it enough

There is a framed picture of Kim Kitsuragi in my parent's house, maybe I should actually play it...

the amount that I got better at noita is higher than for any other game and/or bachelor's degree

YOU are the fool because I am harvesting this thread for game recommendations and you have fallen right into my trap! Muahaha!

It was so unique! I found myself getting extremely excited whenever I would see that glowing page because it was always a treat to see what new knowledge they would give me next!

Noita's genre may as well be Trial and Error.

For anyone that has last played the game 2 or more years ago, go and revisit it. The game has had continuous improvements that make it worth a revisit.

Obra Dinn and Tunic are not like that.

Obra Dinn, you're just investigating a memory and doing detective work. You might notice a slip of paper, or broken glass, that helps you with the next step.

Tunic is more about unlocking pages, that you can then remembering that "ah to open up a red door, you have to do a little dance".

Both games, you can absolutely play them in a linear path without repeating the level over and over (like your example of Mario 64).

So I'd say give them a chance. :-)

i booted up void stranger without knowing anything about it and saw the languages were english and finnish and instantly knew this was going to be another one of those solo finnish dev games that i will become obsessed with

then i got to stage 27 and fucked up the save-the-random-lady puzzle then the game saved itself and put 2 and 2 together and i think i'm going to have to complete this entire game without dying once to beat it

funger moment tbh

Ooh, I think Void Stranger is the first game in this thread I've genuinely never heard of before! It looks very interesting! I'll definitely add that one to the list. Baba Is You is an absolute mind bender of a game. I keep going back to it but it fries my brain every time. I've gotten decently far but holy moly does it get difficult towards the end! Fez really must be good given how many people are still recommending it despite hating its creator. That's definitely a sign that it's a real classic!

I still think about the Heart Cube puzzle with the observatory and red stars in that game sometimes.

Use a notepad. I find jotting notes down as a go helps a ton

Even funnier if you return to the game like one or two years later and remember absolutely nothing.

Yeah. Had that problem with Chants of Senaar and Return of the Obra Dinn. Keeping notes definitely helps though.

I'm a big rock'n'stoner (700 hours) but I think you're stretching it a bit.

Of course there's knowledge and experience to acquire, but it's not the main progression system. They are needed to beat harder missions, but the same could be said about 90% of the games out there.

On the other hand, I will agree that DRG does allow the player to express them more than your average RPG, because upgrades won't beat haz 5 on their own. You still need to know how to play the game, and that is made of little know-hows and techniques like the ones you listed.

Don't forget abusing sliding to yeet yourself

Outer Wilds is a game you can beat in 20 minutes, but you spend 15 hours figuring out how to actually do that. Along the way you unravel a lovely story of curiosity and discovery and loss, while trying to solve one of the greatest mysteries in the universe. It's a beautiful game and a true once-in-a-lifetime experience in the most literal sense, since you can only experience it once. Like the other person said, if this sounds appealing to you, give it a try! You will absolutely know whether the game is for you well within the refund period.

I would buy it and give it a shot. You should know before the refund window if it's something you're interested in or not

chanting: play it play it play it play it

Every person I've seen online talk about it wishes to be you, everybody wants to experience it for the first time again. To unravel the mystery once again, to have the pieces fall into place and understand it for the first time again. As the other person said - you can complete the game in 15 minutes, but it'll take you 15h+ to understand how to do that. It's a wonderful little piece of art which nobody will tell you anything about - because they don't dare to ruin your experience of playing it for the first time.

It's about space, it's about curiosity, it's about discovery, and learning, and that's about how much I'm willing to say about it.

You just have to take our word for it. It's the type of game that comes once a decade and stays in peoples' hearts forever.

Not particularly. Also, Tunic really shouldn't be on the list.

Games like Tunic or Kingdom Come, you get better at the game as you learn more. With total knowledge of the game comes mastery of the gameplay.

The rest of the games on this list, there's effectively no gameplay once you know everything about the game. With total knowledge of the game comes an end to the gameplay, because knowledge literally is progression in the game. None of those more so than Outer Wilds, in which a casual replay would literally let you skip to the end of the game with no tricks, because the entire game has no progression mechanics at all. Once you know how to finish the game, you can just do it.

edit:
I stand slightly corrected about Tunic.

It's on the picture already. Cool game tho

heavens vault is superior in terms of translation more accurately representing the puzzle. although the game is horrible to play and the MC is just so fucking mean

I did try it and what I played was really fun but once I left the first zone, after 5 minutes the entire game would slow to an unplayable crawl :(

Another comment recommended that as well, I'll add that to the list! I always love a good "wtf is going on" type mystery.

Oh Minit! That was such a well done little game. It really lived up to its name in terms of length but that made sure it never let itself get stale. I'll have to check out The Forgotten City! I wrote it off because the other big Skyrim mod that's its own game, Enderal, just didn't mesh with me, but several people have recommended it now so I guess I'll have to give it a shot!

These are games where a major portion of the gameplay involves learning about the game. In Heaven's Vault and Chants of Sennaar this manifests as learning languages. In Return of the Obra Dinn this is figuring out what happened on the ship. In Tunic and The Outer Wilds this is based around knowledge checks, or mechanics that are present from the start of the game but you only learn how to exploit them much later.

You know how metroidvanias gate progression by having, for example, a jump you can't make without an upgrade, or a poison area you can't survive passing through without a way to be immune to poison, and so on? That, but instead of it being an upgrade your character gets, it's knowledge. You find a clue somewhere in the game that allows you to solve a puzzle elsewhere. You were always able to take the actions needed to solve it, you just had to learn that you could.

Obra Dinn and Outer Wilds are about unveiling a mistery.

Heaven's Vault is about deciphering an ancient lost language.

Is Celeste really knowledge-based? I thought it was muscle memory.

I only played it for like 15 minutes before realizing I don't have good reflexes.

That's not really what this meme is talking about.

Almost all games are about mastery in some way, in which you use knowledge to progress, or to make progression easier, but the games listed have knowledge as progression itself, which is different. Imagine if simply knowing how to perform the right jump let you skip straight from the first chapter to the final climb up the mountain, and furthermore that the game expects you to do precisely that, and that's the kind of thing this meme is about.

I experienced Lingo through my friend discord streaming their playthrough of it. It's an awesome game but my goodness did we have to have a thesaurus open for some of the puzzles! I definitely would recommend anyone reading this check it out though, it's incredibly unique! I'd say the closest game in terms of vibes is Antichamber, but with word puzzles.

I have it on my wishlist but I've put off buying it because I thought it was just a visual novel. I'll have to check it out now!

Noita definitely cost me some sweat and tears.

Ah I remember all my friends raving about Who's Lila? a while ago, but I was too busy at the time to check it out! That's definitely something I'll be checking out!

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You aren't wrong but it's just people having fun recommending games they think are cool and I'm never going to turn that down

I was gonna say, Elden Ring is the epitome of this statement.

Dark Souls 1 if you really love discovery and connectivity.

yeah that too

I don't think that's what they meant. More like where the game doesn't hold your hand or suddenly give you knowledge of things that you don't learn through playing. Like in outer wilds where the game really gives you almost nothing to direct you at first, you have to learn what's happening and how to progress. But once you know it, you could technically finish the whole game in only a few minutes as it's entirely deterministic and won't gate you from content just because you didn't do an arbitrary condition to reach it.