Russia and China plan to install a nuclear power plant on the Moon
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The secret Nazi moon base will be getting Nuclear Communist neighbours
Eastern Front 2: Nazis On The Moon
We're sailors on the Moon, we carry a harpoon
Whalers.
But there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales and sing a whaling tube.
Tune.
Ducking autocorrect
Which part of this is not-the-onion-y? Building stuff on the moon might give us a good jumping off point for solar system exploration, and having a power source there would help construction. Is it that it's Russia and China doing it?
I mean...
If I were writing a fictional story about world domination by ruthless politicking, overthrowing foreign governments, and assassinating key opposition figures around the globe without an effective concern for local populations, it would be about the US.
But if I were writing one where the first step to world domination was an advanced moon base... pretty much gonna be Russia or China.
Yeah, ok, I can kinda see it
So we either go capitalist cyberpunk or 40k grimdark? How do we unlock the star trek option?
FWIW the first one is pretty much actual US Imperialism.
Unfortunately for Star Trek we need to go through the Bell Riots first.
Here’s my assumption:
They’re reading it something like:
You gotta be in a certain worldview, but from that worldview nuclear plants in space sounds crazy.
In other news, chernobyl in space
Honestly it really needed a sequel
Chernobyl 2: Electric Boogaloo?
Why would china need help from russia
Because Russia has still a pretty good way of sending rockets to space. The bigger question would be, why you want to do this? And 2nd how would you cool this with no water on the moon
Some types of nuclear power don't work like what you are probably imagining.
Its more of a hockey puck of hot plutonium and a thermocouple, rather than a nuclear power plant on earth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
Doubt it. RTGs are great for a deep space probe, but too limited to support a base.
Probably more like:
Good point. Regardless, it will not be like a nuclear plant on earth.
Insightful, thanks !
The article specifically mentions that they don't know how to solve the cooling problem yet. That's what's cool about these types of projects though, they force innovation that can potentially be used elsewhere.
The cooling plan is cooking pancakes. Two birds with one stone.
Big radiators?
Filled with water from where?
There are a lot of seas on the Moon after all.
Earth, I assume. Could also be solid metal or filled with liquid sodium or something if it needs to circulate.
Sounds pretty costly to bring all that up
But yeah, solid metal as heat transfer could work. Still how to drive a turbine?
Could you skip the turbine and slap a bunch of peltier elements on the reactor?
Probably not super efficient, what with the vacuum of space being bad at absorbing hear, and if I recall right peltier produces more power the larger heat gradient.
Isn’t there water in the lunar regolith?
As I see it, three possibilities rise above the others:
Uranium and materials probably. The only rockets that Russia can build are the ones that blow up.
tbf when your family life is on the line you can do a lot of creative stuff. lol
For what? Who's going to use that power?
The lunar night is 14 days long. During this time you don't get any sunlight for generating solar power. If you want a permanent base in the moon you need a continuous power source. Oh and also to power that mass driver they're going to use to threaten the entire world with destruction.
I think it should be coal
Permanent base? Are we already capable to build such things on the moon?
A lot of people believe we can, yes. However there are a few technologies that still need to be developed, such as a reliable power source that can work during a long lunar night
So, if we can develop a small fission reactor that never needs any attention, can work in lower gravity, no atmosphere, huge range of temperatures , and doesn’t have anything that can leak, boil, or freeze, that would be perfect
My personal favourite is orbital solar. With no atmosphere, it should be doable. But of course it's just as hypothetical as all the other options at this point.
Then beam the energy to Luna? Or could we transfer batteries?
You beam down the energy using microwaves. On earth that's difficult because of the atmosphere. On the moon that doesn't apply, obviously.
How do we get all the materials and tools for the constructions up there to begin with? And how do we supply the base with Oxygen, food, water, etc?
Sure, there’s lots of questions needed to be answered
Yeah we just haven’t done it yet. Just like you and I are capable of writing books, we just haven’t yet.
I can’t think of any tech we’re lacking to build massive space infrastructure honestly.
A theme park with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blackjack. And the theme park
good luck
This is really bad. We can’t afford for these countries to be the model of interplanetary civilization.