Spyke
clarfggreply
lemdro.id

I was really disappointed about standard notes' plans. Took me forever to get everything set up to self host, only to find I couldn't even use markdown unless I bought a license? Silly.

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PhAzEreply
lemmy.ca

I'm excited that the bitwarden phone apps are getting a brand new native version for ios and Android soon.

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No, its built on a Microsoft framework, that MS has decided to change recently. That's why its sluggish and they can't add features like passkeys to the current client apps.

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Standard notes is very unethical. They want you to pay for open source software even if you self host. Very scummy.

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lemmy.ml

Tried, and not a fan of. The organizing features are kind of not what I expected. Sticking to KeepassXC for now.

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I actually thought the organization stuff is pretty good, coming from keepassxc myself. The way we have it set up is that each of the members of our family all have VW accounts, and we have a common organization shared among us for stuff we all use (e.g. home devices). It's all in one installation, so it's pretty convenient. I don't think I can do the same as easily with keepass.

That being said, keepass is a really solid piece of software. I'd recommend it myself.

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First is the organizing feature. It doesn't let me to have sub folders which I need to categorize items.

Second is the TAN management to store my MFA backup codes. A feature the original Keepass have but KeepassXC doesn't. You can use notes to mimic but it doesn't auto expire after use, i.e. more manual work.

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laverabereply
lemmy.world

Corporate Headquarters

Bitwarden, Inc. 1 North Calle Cesar Chavez Santa Barbara, CA 93103 Bitwarden, Inc. is the parent company of 8bit Solutions LLC

Something tells me they'll enshitiffy too. It would make me uneasy storing all my passwords with a for profit corp, on their servers.

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They've already open-sourced all the best parts, and there are independent OSS projects based on that. If BE fucks with their user base, they'd be messing with their livelihood.

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slazer2aureply
lemmy.world

Prefer KeepassXC but let's be honest, the best password manager is the only you actually use and keep using.

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Everything gets hacked given enough time. Just not everyone says they were hacked or realised they were.

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Anon518reply
sh.itjust.works

Prefer KeepassXC

Why? Keepass has lots of plugins and XC doesn't, right?

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KeepassXC looks better IMO. Also I like that hardware keys work without plugins. Personally I still use KeePass for one feature that XC doesn't offer.

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I like KeePassXC because it's written in C and is thus cross platform, while KeePass is written in C# and relies on Windows UI libraries. You can run KeePass on Linux (and I did without usability issue for years) but it will look god awful.

I won't knock plugins, everyone has weird use cases, but I don't know what people need KeePass to do that it doesn't already do out of the box. I've certainly never felt the need for any.

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sh.itjust.works

+1 For KeepassXC, I use it in combination with syncthing to have my passwords available on all devices.

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I've thought about it, but for now at least I just use a USB flash drive to keep the file synchronized.

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I could say I know because i'm an elite haxxor but it would be a lie. I'm not even at script kiddie level.

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lemmy.ca

I use Bitwarden for passwords. Just works so well.

KeepassXC and KeePassium for TOTP codes. I keep the database in the cloud but sync a key with Syncthing that’s needed to unlock the database on the devices themselves.

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Lem453reply
lemmy.ca

Locally hosted bitwarden (vault warden) that is only accessible on your local network is the way to go. When a new sync is needed away from home, wireguard VPN to connect back in makes everything nice and secure. Otherwise most of the time the vault is cached to the device locally so you don't need to phone home to access passwords.

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I do it exactly like that, except that im connected via vpn most of the time, since my pihole is also located in my lan

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Yep, I think keeping TOTP codes in the same place as passwords defeats their purpose (no longer a second factor).

Less convenient but more secure.

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And they are really moving quickly with development. I feel like we're getting new features monthly

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Same. The UI is pretty good and modern, they support TOPT and cards as well and the development is being done at a good pace.

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My only complaint is the lack of passkey support. I just want to store my password and passkeys in one place.

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For Keepass users: KeepassXC can read your keepass file just fine, but KeepassXC can also run on Linux, whereas Keepass runs only on Windows.

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m-p{3}reply
lemmy.ca

And with Syncthing's Untrusted Device Encryption feature I can use my VPS as an extra node for synchronization without worrying touch if it becomes compromised without me knowing.

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superbirrareply
lemmy.world

the file is already encrypted so you aren't getting much more security

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m-p{3}reply
lemmy.ca

I also sync other stuff, so it's useful anyway.

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And it hides file names and sizes by splitting things up, which puts one extra layer of difficulty for someone trying to find my passwords file to target. I have a much stronger password on the syncthing directory than my normal type-each-time password to open keepassxc.

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lemm.ee

And I do keepassdx on Android, with a (phone-specific) database synced with syncthing


P.S. syncthing is fantastic: I hope more people consider hosting discovery servers and especially relays

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feddit.de

I use keepass with my database on onedrive.

Then i connect every device to said onedrive account, copy the private key manually on each device that i need to use.

I secure my databse with said private key + a passphrase.

Might not be the best setup, but i feel like with passphrase+key i am secure enough to have the db file in the cloud.

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KeePass for me. I keep my encrypted vault in my 2 factor encrypted gdrive. Get the best of both worlds. No traditional cloud that's a target for hackers and I have passes I can share across devices.

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I really enjoy 1Password for easy vault sharing between family members. I was able to get my (not so technically literate) siblings and dad onto my family plan. Baby steps!

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I know they recently published the code for their clients, so that's a plus. But I can't find any independent audits for their architecture or clients.

While all mentioned options does have independent audits done.

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Aslo more expensive than Bitwarden for example, should u want to pay for premium.

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Dashlane’s app experience across platforms was hit and miss for me. 1Password has been much better.

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feddit.de

No mention of Enpass? Stores more than just passwords, can be synced locally over wifi or in the cloud without using Enpass servers.

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Been using Enpass for something like a decade and it's been perfect. One time licenses can be found on stacksocial, I think.

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I've been using Proton Pass since it launched and I think it's really really good.

Positives:

  • Nice integration with both desktop and mobile
  • Integrated in the proton suite, which I was already using
  • Allows you to generate an email alias for each login automatically. Websites will never have your real email and you can easily generate a new alias if one has been compromised
  • Supports 2 factor authentication via TOTP, works really well

Negatives:

  • No passkey support yet
  • Free version only supports like 5 email alias
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Catsrulesreply
lemmy.ml

Yeah they should be using Office 365 or Google drive.

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Catsrulesreply
lemmy.ml

Technically Excel and 365 and Google sheets can be a password manager.

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feddit.uk

No love for Nextcloud Passwords or Passman? Both have plugins for Nextcloud and have Android Apps.

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lolgcatreply
lemmy.ml

No love for Nextcloud

Pretty much in general for me now. I gave it an honest go for six years but there were at least four instances where a server upgrade required nontrivial intervention to bring it back.

Syncthing + Keepass[DX] has been solid for me.

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Which one was that Passman or Nextcloud? I've run two instance of Nextcloud Password and one of Passman, for about the same time, with no issues.

Other people do seam to have issues running Nextcloud in general, but I've never had anything but PHP version stuff that is easier fixed. I love Nextcloud!

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bushvinreply
lemmy.world

Yes! Been using it for a long time now! Never had any (major) issues!

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sh.itjust.works

Can someone explain what those password managers are doing better than Firefox?

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sudneoreply
lemmy.world

I guess a bunch of things, as they are specialized apps:

  • proper auth. I think with Firefox you can have a password, but a password manager will have multiple options for 2fa including security keys, and on phone fingerprint unlock etc. In general, password managers are more resistant to malicious users gaining access to your device.
  • store all kinds of stuff. Not everything happens in the browser, and it's just convenient to have an app just for credentials. Many password managers allow to store and autofill credit cards too, for example.
  • on the fly generation of aliases. Password managers have external integrations. For example proton and bitwarden can integrate with simplelogin.io to generate email aliases when you choose to generate a new username.
  • org-like features. Password managers can be also convenient for sharing with family (for example). I do manage a bitwardes organization used by all my immediate family, which means I can share credentials easily with any of them. Besides the sharing I can also ensure my (not tech savvy mom) won't lock herself out (emergency breakglass access configurable) and technically enforce policies on password strength etc.
  • as banal as it is, self-managing. I like to run my own services and running my own password manager with my own backups gives me peace of mind.
  • another perhaps obvious point. More compatibility? I can use my password manager on whatever device, whatever browser. For some, it might not change anything, but it's a convenient feature.

As a personal addition, I would say that I simply want the cornerstone of my online security to be a product for a company that is specialized in doing that. I have no idea how much effort goes into the password manager from Mozilla, for example.

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Yep, I know and it's very convenient. I discovered recently that bitwarden also has integration, but requires manually provisioning an API key. Not as convenient but quite nice as well.

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I'm answering your comment but I'm grateful for those who have answered. You basically have more extensive needs that I have, which makes sense.

On my side:

  • I'm not planning on leaving Firefox any time soon but the migration seems straightforward
  • The security is sufficient for me: master password on the desktop, fingerprint on my phone
  • To be noted: Firefox is my default password manager for all my android apps. Its scope extends beyond web browsing
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I need to enter passwords in lots of places that aren't a browser.

If Firefox's password keeper meets your needs, then I would endorse using that, for sure.

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(I use KeepassXC)

I use the notes section alot. I can store all kinds of related info. For example on sites that still use a username to login, I can put the email I used to sign up in the notes section.

I'll also do security questions answers here. Using a pasphrase generator for those is good. No one is going to check if your first dog's name really was "consoling-roving-activator-earflap" and no one can find it on your over sharing grandma's Facebook.

I'll also attach any license keys/relevant files for software, now those stay encrypted and backed up with the database instead of in a random folder of text files.

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In addition to what the others have said, with those other password managers you dont have to do much if you decide to change browsers some day.

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I thought I read somewhere that the build in browser password saves are not very secure.

This was maybe 5 years ago so i am guessing they have improved it?

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lemmy.world

My favorites:

  • Proton Pass
    • Pros: Aliases, Proton integration
    • Cons: No passkeys (yet), native desktop apps in beta
  • 1Password
    • Pros: SHH agent integration!
    • Cons: Least open
  • Bitwarden
    • Pros: Most open, self hosting option
    • Cons: least polished user experience
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Proton Pass Pros: Aliases,

1Password technically does have aliases too but it requires a fastmail.com subscription. I use it and it works quite well though.

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Ah, I suppose it's TOTP/HOTP or HMAC challenge.

I am waiting for FIDO2 to work between keepassxc and yubikey. 🥳

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I get a good reason to stay away from lastpass is their dealing with getting hacked. Valid. However, bitching about not getting to use all the paid features as a free user is ridiculous.

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In a vacuum, maybe. But there is a difference between adding new features to a paid plan and removing features from a free plan.

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I don't know if this is still the case, but we trialled LastPass enterprise around 10 years ago. They didn't have an API. They had no intention of ever introducing an API. So, the script could spin up a database, but couldn't store a break-glass su user into the vault without actually giving it to a human, first. Some enterprise solution. 🙄

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lemmy.world

Any options on StrongBox? It seems like a good option but they don’t quite have the reputation that others have, despite being around since 2017.

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ebits21reply
lemmy.ca

Strongbox is great, but expensive. I settled on KeePassium instead mostly based on cost.

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red_risingreply
lemmy.world

It’s only $20 a year or $80 for life. I feel like that’s a fair price to support the developers.

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ebits21reply
lemmy.ca

It’s not unfair, but for my use case there are cheaper or free alternatives that work really well.

And I’m Canadian so it’s a bit more than that dollar wise.

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temminkreply
feddit.de

StrongBox is just a client that uses keepass databases. I think it integrates well when using Apple devices and you can still use your databases on other platforms.

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Ah thanks. Ya it’s Apple only but I like how it doesn’t sync to a central server but will still sync between your devices across your local network. Seems to minimize a lot of attack surface.

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I have used 1Password with the annual plan for years across various browsers and operating systems and have found it to be perfect for everything I need. I will definitely take a look at Proton though.

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lemmy.world

Any reason why Keeper isn't on the list? Is it bad?

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Same. So far it's doing the job but I wonder if there's some reason I should switch to one of these others?

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I'd also put Passbolt on the list, it's not that well known, but it's really great. I selfhost it on my home server and I'm very happy with it.

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