It's magical thinking. They believe they found a legal loophole that means they're obeying the law, because they don't actually need things like license plates or a drivers license.
For example, they commonly believe that the law actually defines "driving" as a commercial activity, as in "to drive a herd of cattle". So they insist that they aren't "driving a motor vehicle", they're just "traveling in their conveyance".
It's why the poster made a point of saying they were privately traveling.
Well, they may have a point. Was the sovereign citizen travelling on their own road or someone else's road whom gave them permission to? If so, that's totally fine and the police officer shouldn't be policing stuff owned by other people, only the government's stuff.
Oh, what's that? It was the government's stuff? Well, what a surprise. A person using roads that aren't their's and are in no position to pay for breaking anything or anyone while on them. It's like a stranger walking in your house and just using your shit, "It's okay, I'm a sovereign citizen and the law says I don't have to follow the law."
Nah it's not like that... I can just go into your house because I spell my name with lowercase letters and put a lot of weird semicolons and shit in there. See when I do that it's just me the person in your house and not the legal entity that the courts think I am that's there. They're two separate entities! So legally I'm not in your house.
BTW, you're out of beer, when are you gonna get some more? I didn't legally drink your beer, but... you're out of beer.
Sometimes I give them (benign) bogus advice, like to suggest they use a specific kind of postage stamp on their crazy correspondence, which I say is the seal of the great councillor of admiralty and allodial titles.
Use "colloidal", put some soil science in there, as in "This asphalt road was placed on my soil, restricting its colloidal properties, therefore this asphalt belongs to me and not the state of Insanity."
This is correct. Lots of farms have children drive trucks around, and places like resorts often have shuttle drivers without CDLs drive their busses, which they could not do on public roads
Depending on the weight of the vehicle and whether or not they have air brakes, you don't need a CDL. You can rent a 26ft box truck from U-Haul that is almost certainly bigger than most resort buses without a CDL. Even if you've only ever driven smart cars before that
Even if you'd normally need a CDL you might not need one on private property. Lots of manufacturing sites have "yard hostlers" that are not road legal and do not require a CDL to operate (in the US).
What's the origin of this "traveling doesn't require a license" thing? Usually the sovereign citizens end up grossly misinterpreting some real statute or law. "Traveling" seems to show up consistently. I'm just curious where it came from.
Also the U.C.C. Sovcits fuckin love the U.C.C. If I had a nickel for every time of them says they're not engaging in commerce so they're not required to have a license, I'd be Jeff Bezos.
I’m imagining a scenario where the driver gets one ticket and becomes irate. The police officer decides to issue another and the cycle continues until the driver shuts up.
I am not from the US, but i would assume sth. like operating an unregistered vehicle, driving w.o. licencse and maybe one violation he got pulled over for in the first place.
Because a private individual will have the resources to take on a police department. As though they wouldn’t defend their officer. How much money do you have for this case? It’s definitely not going to be enough. But I’d love to see it play out.
I wonder why they are obsessed with all things vehicle. I am pretty sure they could make a big show out of not doing jury duty or not answering the complete census without much happening to them.
How do they think that the officer is bound by law but they aren't?
It's magical thinking. They believe they found a legal loophole that means they're obeying the law, because they don't actually need things like license plates or a drivers license.
For example, they commonly believe that the law actually defines "driving" as a commercial activity, as in "to drive a herd of cattle". So they insist that they aren't "driving a motor vehicle", they're just "traveling in their conveyance".
It's why the poster made a point of saying they were privately traveling.
They are remarkably compartmented in their beliefs about the law.
Whoa now, way too much common sense.
Well, they may have a point. Was the sovereign citizen travelling on their own road or someone else's road whom gave them permission to? If so, that's totally fine and the police officer shouldn't be policing stuff owned by other people, only the government's stuff.
Oh, what's that? It was the government's stuff? Well, what a surprise. A person using roads that aren't their's and are in no position to pay for breaking anything or anyone while on them. It's like a stranger walking in your house and just using your shit, "It's okay, I'm a sovereign citizen and the law says I don't have to follow the law."
Nah it's not like that... I can just go into your house because I spell my name with lowercase letters and put a lot of weird semicolons and shit in there. See when I do that it's just me the person in your house and not the legal entity that the courts think I am that's there. They're two separate entities! So legally I'm not in your house.
BTW, you're out of beer, when are you gonna get some more? I didn't legally drink your beer, but... you're out of beer.
These posts are the highlight of my day!!!
I have so, so many hahaha.
I'm curious if you interact with any of these people, or do you just lurk?
Sometimes I give them (benign) bogus advice, like to suggest they use a specific kind of postage stamp on their crazy correspondence, which I say is the seal of the great councillor of admiralty and allodial titles.
Use "colloidal", put some soil science in there, as in "This asphalt road was placed on my soil, restricting its colloidal properties, therefore this asphalt belongs to me and not the state of Insanity."
Oh I like that. Good one.
Please keep the, coming. Love the derangement.
Honestly, without seeing consequences I find them frustrating.
We should file a motion for updates with consequences
Send a letter with a nickel taped to it and a bloody thumbprint to the mods.
Done
Sometimes they just don't post then, usually because they are paper terrorizing some poor court clerk in response.
Consider the source, though. Sobbies have very short attention spans.
It's like the HK award sub but less grim.
Just the idea that you can force yourself onto another countries road and tell them you don't need a license/etc is so narcissistic it's crazy lol.
They don't understand that private means use on private property.
Like, it doesn't have to be licensed, I assume, if you have an old truck you use to get around on the farm or ranch or whatever.
Which makes a certain amount of sense.
But the moment you're on the public roads, you can't be driving a private vehicle, that's not how any of this works.
This is correct. Lots of farms have children drive trucks around, and places like resorts often have shuttle drivers without CDLs drive their busses, which they could not do on public roads
Depending on the weight of the vehicle and whether or not they have air brakes, you don't need a CDL. You can rent a 26ft box truck from U-Haul that is almost certainly bigger than most resort buses without a CDL. Even if you've only ever driven smart cars before that
Even if you'd normally need a CDL you might not need one on private property. Lots of manufacturing sites have "yard hostlers" that are not road legal and do not require a CDL to operate (in the US).
Free borders, baby😎
Imagine hating government so much that you dedicate your life to making your own whole government by way of amateur arts and crafts
Sounds like a lot of work. Easier just to order all of the arts and crafts needed for your own government from the internet.
Maybe the cop was a sovereign citizen too, what makes you so sure he has a constitution to uphold?
What's the origin of this "traveling doesn't require a license" thing? Usually the sovereign citizens end up grossly misinterpreting some real statute or law. "Traveling" seems to show up consistently. I'm just curious where it came from.
They call it the natural right to travel, I think it comes from maritime law which they base a lot of their nonsense on.
Also the U.C.C. Sovcits fuckin love the U.C.C. If I had a nickel for every time of them says they're not engaging in commerce so they're not required to have a license, I'd be Jeff Bezos.
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Lmao, 9 at once actually made me laugh out loud
Like I just imagine the cop handing him the tickets one by one and grinning gleefully.
I’m imagining a scenario where the driver gets one ticket and becomes irate. The police officer decides to issue another and the cycle continues until the driver shuts up.
So you want to use the legal system, but not be bound by its laws?!
DAE have an idea, what the 9 violations might be?
I am not from the US, but i would assume sth. like operating an unregistered vehicle, driving w.o. licencse and maybe one violation he got pulled over for in the first place.
What could the other six violations be?
Prob add fake driving licence. Fake id.
resisting arrest, failure to ID
This kind of people sound like they would drive a 1980 shitbox with no headlights, broken side mirrors, dysfunctional blinkers...
and driving on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic
Solution: keep on traveling bub
Because a private individual will have the resources to take on a police department. As though they wouldn’t defend their officer. How much money do you have for this case? It’s definitely not going to be enough. But I’d love to see it play out.
It's already hard enough to win against the police if you have a legitimate case!
I wonder why they are obsessed with all things vehicle. I am pretty sure they could make a big show out of not doing jury duty or not answering the complete census without much happening to them.
They are really keen on using those roads which society created for their benefit.
America in general is car obcessed. Also car related fees are expensive so getting out of them would help