Trump Says America Is Over 'As We Know It' if He Can't Do Crimes While in Office
The former president — who is facing a mountain of legal woes — is trying to win back the White House on the idea that he should be above the law
Donald Trump isn’t happy that judges on a Washington, D.C., appeals court ruled that he’s not protected from prosecution in the Justice Department’s election interference case against him. The former president has long been claiming he should be immune from criminal repercussions for anything he did while in office — including conspiring to overturn the democratic process — and on Wednesday he posted to Truth Social that a president’s job is so contingent on their ability to commit crimes that it would mark the “end” of “our Country, as we know it,” if they are not afforded that right.
“If a President does not have Immunity, the Opposing Party, during his/her term in Office, can extort and blackmail the President by saying that, ‘if you don’t give us everything we want, we will Indict you for things you did while in Office,’ even if everything done was totally Legal and Appropriate,” Trump wrote, adding that “Obama, Bush, and soon, Crooked Joe Biden, would all be in PRISON. Protect Presidential Immunity. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
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There’s no evidence that Bush, Obama, or Biden committed crimes while in office, but Trump is under heavy legal scrutiny for an array of potential crimes — most of them tied to his effort to remain in office despite losing to Biden. Trump tried to get the Justice Department’s case against him thrown out last year, alleging he could do no wrong because he was the president. Judge Tanya Chutkan shot down the bid, and Trump appealed, sending the case to the D.C. appeals court. In a hearing last month, Trump’s lawyers argued that immunity should go so far as to protect a president from prosecution even if they were to order SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival.
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In Donald Trump's America, a President simply can't do his job properly without breaking the law. Think about that! What did he do during his term that we simply don't know about?
For all of Joe Biden's flaws, I am pretty confident that he is not doing illegal things on a daily basis, and doesn't need this blanket immunity.
We need to investigate his son Hunter getting a security clearance when he should not have been eligible, and also 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia.
Wait that was Jared kushner? Nevermind nothing to see here.
Not gonna lie you got me on the first half lol
Yeah, haha - but seriously though, we have to look at Hunter using his proximity to the president to get China to approve his side business trademarks in exchange for-
Wait, sorry, that's Ivanka. Nevermind.
Yeah it's a known perk of being POTUS that your offspring get cushy job offers... Not saying it's right, but it's not illegal as far as I know.
Definitely sold secrets. Either for money or compliments.
Didn't his kids receive like a billions bucks from Saudi Arabia right after he left office? I thought the assumption was they just sold boxes of classified documents.
Thanks. That makes more sense. I think selling the Saudis info about dissidents was definitely espionage and am wondering why he isn't in prison.
$3 Billion, specifically. And I don't remember the time frame in relation, but a bunch of American spies wound up dead as well.
Wow. So espionage as well. How did our government not find enough evidence to bury them? The trump kids are fucking morons.
Or if he is, they're "normal" presidential illegal things like ordering CIA black ops or whatever, not abusing the position to gain personal fortune and autocratic power like Trump does.
To be fair, and to paraphrase The Big Lebowski: He's not wrong - he's just an asshole.
In most representative democracies the head of state and head of government are two distinct offices for precisely this reason.
No, you can be President and not break the law.
I suspect Biden is doing illegal things most days.
Big difference is Biden is under the umbrella of presidency, and probably under good advice from his advisors.
Trump is out for himself, and believes America and the presidential powers are there to serve him
Like what? You can't just keep us all hanging like that!
I hear he once removed a tag from a mattress
keeping unsubstantiated suspicions to oneself is a mark of character. if you wanted unscrupulous speculation, you might look to someone like rachel maddow or keith olberman.
Does he not realize that if that right is codified before he's president again that Biden could just turn around and have him executed without any repercussions. I don't believe Biden would do that but it just shows that he is not thinking beyond the tip of his nose.
I don't either, but, like, maybe he should?
I volunteer to throw the switch. Or maybe we can do it in Alabama with nitrogen and an ill fitted mask.
I have two hands, we can suffocate him the old way and save taxpayers money
If you make it a PPV event it'll drastically lower the nation's debt in Minecraft
I like your moxie!
There is zero chance it will ever happen but if Trump were executed for his crimes then he should be hanged and his corpse should be left on the gallows on the Mall for a month to show case that in the end he truly had no real power
That's because "process" is all Democrats have.
That process, the decorum you so richly despise is what keeps people from killing you for being such an ignorant loudmouth. People like you never think about the realities of a world where people kill without recourse and everything is an emotional knee jerk reaction with terminal consequences.
I think we would bar him from running for office if it were up to us and not a corrupt Court.
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I think he's hoping the timing will work out so that he gets elected first, them SCOTUS grants him supreme immunity.
Is this where we can debate who it would be okay and not okay for Biden to have wacked if this moronically does get codified? Or is that just an invitation to a lot of naughty lists that don't have happy endings?
It opens us to purge lists under a less then scrupulous person. I think it would only be a decade before we reached Stalin levels.
Trump's only real platform is Trump.
If you can't commit crimes while in office, on what ground would he have Biden jailed? 🤔
He would not need grounds. He would just do.
I'm prettsure Trump knows this too.
10:1 odds there is a document outside of Trumps possession proving he asked SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival while he was president.
"Can't we just kill them? Why not? The Mafia would kill them."
Pretty sure that's 95% accurate.
If accountability for the powerful means the end of America as we know it I'm excited for the new America that we're about to meet.
I struggle to see how being held accountable is a bad thing. Even in public office.
Nobody should be above the law.
Because it's him being held accountable. Can't you see what a disaster that is!?
Yes, yes I can. A disaster for him. 😂🤣
He's a confederate traitor so he needs immunity or America as he knows and loves it is over. As it should be.
That would make him a martyr for his cult following, only escalating matters.
You need him to rot in jail instead. He'll have his following, but they'll start to get bored after a couple of years.
Be careful applying logic to his followers. He could shoot himself in the face and i guarantee people will still claim weird Q theories. Don't treat these people like they're intelectually consistent.
It’s upsetting to me that rich people posting in call caps about how they should be allowed to commit crimes resonates with me ANY Americans, never mind enough of your voting population that Donald Trump has a decent chance of winning the next election.
I mean every country has morons, but Jesus what is going on in your country man?
The list goes on, but take your pick or mix and match; there's really no wrong answer. 🫠
Man my dad a Vietnam vet... Told me that jan6 was a shame and that they killed "that poor woman" trying to get through a door.
I was like... Dafuq? What about protecting elected officials lives? What about protecting the constitution? What about that whole "foreign and domestic" deal?
I told him.. I watched the live stream video of her being given a warning and a lawful order to stop and to remove herself from the area. She didn't. She got shot.
She wasn't a patriot.. she was a criminal who fucked around and found out.
Anything telling you otherwise is propaganda.
Crazy the spin they are trying to put on Jan6. :/
Trump only has, perhaps, 20% of the population truly behind him. He gets 46% or so of voters in his favor through a combination of Republicans who hate Democrats more than they hate Trump, and Enlightened Centrists who vote for the GOP because they voted for Democrats last time. Those are rooted in the problem of a voting system that only makes room for two parties.
Even that wouldn't be enough, except for the criminally stupid electoral college system.
In short, he doesn't have real support, and he only gets in by exploiting flaws in American democracy that have always been there but nobody has abused to quite this scale. Incidentally, exploiting flaws in democracy is also how Hitler took over Germany. His true base of support was never very large, either.
His (and the GOP) philosophy is "if I did it, then the Dems have to be doing it too." He and the GOP thinks nobody plays fair so why is he the only one being prosecuted. This is the whole witch hunt garbage he's been spewing for years.
I'm still waiting on the My Pillow guy and countless other GOPers to release all their evidence against Biden and the 2020 election having been rigged, though it's kinda late for them to drop any of those bombshells at this point.
E: words
This is also why he is so sure of "election fraud" in the 2020 election. There's no way Trump and the GOP didn't attempt cheating - and since the Democrats won in spite of it, they must have also cheated.
Who is Kate Firnthek and what is their involvement with dropping bombshells?! Do they have secret info no one else is privy to?
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I assume you meant “…late for them…”
Haha yes, I'll edit. I'm on mobile and have a bad habit of not always proofreading.
Haha. All good man. I thought it was funny and I figured out what you intended.
If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to run
To be fair, America has been pretty much done and overwith since 9/11.
Reagan.
Didn't he make stock buybacks legal.
It's pure stock manipulation
he was also paid to speak on behalf of Amway at conventions all over the world with the intent to spread the unsustainable business model to other countries… and directly ensured that MLM operation(s) could continue to expand in the states, repeatedly calling it the embodiment of american enterprise. he basically built the framework for the protected Grift class.
1776?
Ever notice how all these attacks on the Constitution came after people attempted undo the Patriot Act?
“President Supervillain in the Land of Infinite Crimes”
I don’t want to live in that world
His America. The America that lets him and those like him get away with whatever they want. The America that, so far, they have mostly built up in their collective imagination.
He has poor concept of things other than him (it's not projection when he accused people it's his poor imagination stunting possibilities so he assumes people would do what he does, least it's my theory as a random person so don't take it for much), in his speeches change out when he says US or America to Trump and it makes perfect sense. 'I'm over as we know if I can't do crimes while in office'. Okay I know the whole quote wasn't him but it's pretty much what he's been saying. Like Judge Dredd, I am the law, to Trump he IS America.
It's truely baffling that he has support from anyone to me, like seeing someone slowly back into a car, they should be able to see it and you can see it, you yell to bring it to their attention but it still happens. Except in this case people only see a fantastic outcome when the car hits something like they all took shrooms and LSD.
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Why can’t he get it through his thick head that the president is the same as every other citizen. There are no rights or rules that he’s exempt from. We are all citizens of a nation. If he doesn’t want to abide by the same rules, there are plenty of small cement rooms that would happy to have him sleep over
If Jesus, Muhammad and Budda, the Super Best Friends, visited trump to try and turn him around they would end up leaving shaking their head.
I think they could pull it off. Say they want to get him to make lunch free for every person over the age of 70.
Jesus: Mr. Trump, you are the greatest president of all time. You’re seriously comparable to me as a person, better really, everyone is saying that.
Buddha: Absolutely, probably, no definitely, the greatest leader who has ever lived.
Muhammad: A genius, I say. I mean, Jesus has seen all of space and time at this point and no one even comes close.
Jesus: and your idea about feeding elderly people. My father says he’s going to commission a golden statue right in the center of heaven. All the woke ass soyboy liberal angels say that it’s a waste of money and you aren’t stable or smart enough to pull it off. Go figure.
Buddha: It’s the best idea you’ve ever had. People are saying that, smart people. A lot of smart people. Loyal people. They’re all saying it really.
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His immunity claim is a political and legal loser.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-should-not-get-immunity-2-out-of-3-americans-say
And the 1/3 that think he should? I'd call those people un-American.
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Eat shit, Pumpkin Tits.
this isn’t something that can be debated or reasoned with. he’s not presenting an argument because he doesn’t have one. he’s saying these things simply because he wants them to be true. i’m so tired of seeing the media respond to the things he says as if he cares about whether the things he says actually make sense.
they should treat this as what it is: propaganda
Lemme translate that title for ya: Talking Diaper Leaks Shit Again While Exhausted Country Frantically Searches For Hose.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump isn’t happy that judges on a Washington, D.C., appeals court ruled that he’s not protected from prosecution in the Justice Department’s election interference case against him.
In a hearing last month, Trump’s lawyers argued that immunity should go so far as to protect a president from prosecution even if they were to order SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival.
The court’s three-judge panel ruled on Tuesday that this shouldn’t be the case, nor should a president be protected from prosecution if they were to illegally attempt to overturn an election.
A UMass Amherst poll released Wednesday found that a whopping 74 percent of Republicans believe Trump should be able to act as a dictator for a day to start a prospective second term in office, something he has teased he will do.
Once he does, it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide whether they want to issue a ruling of their own, which could delay Trump’s federal election interference trial.
Meanwhile, he’s running for president, and though the MAGA faithful might want to give him absolute power, it’s unclear whether relentlessly posting all-caps rants about how he needs to be able to commit crimes to effectively do the job is going to resonate with most Americans.
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Rich thinking the laws don't apply to them. What's new here?
Trump managed to create a cult around his persona. But, this should not hide he is rich and think that laws aren't for him and the other wealthier.
It's a good thing we haven't punished him at ALL for any of his Crimes! He's DEFINITELY learned his Lesson!
It hasn't been an issue in all of American history until this criminal president took office.
As noted in the SC ruling - they said every president knows that they can be prosecuted, otherwise why would Nixon have needed a pardon?
I still think it's incredible that we just willingly hand these randomly elected fuckers the buttons to the ICBM arsenal with the most minimal of checks. Did the possibility for an unhinged president never enter into anybody's mind?
And end to an era where the rich and politically powerful aren't held accountable for their actions? I wish but I doubt it.
Can you imagine what would happen if they ever ruled that he could commit any crime he wants as the president and then he got re-elected?
Actually, scratch that. It wouldn't matter who gets elected after that. It would go towards disaster sooner or later.
dear mr. fuckface:
your insurrection and attempts to invalidate state-run elections are not within the duties of the office you once held.
a president is certainly not "above-the-law" with regards to duties that are not in their 'wheel house'. elections are not part of that job description.
your only duty as a loser, was to get the fuck out of the house at 1600 penn ave nw... (and not take stuff that belongs to the people or government, btw)
so kindly get off this planet.
tyvm.
“Flood the swamp!” cried the 98 year festering old presidential candidate. but it was too late, the swamp was already leaking dry.
Technically he can do all the crimes he wants in office he just won't get away with them all.
I mean, he’s not wrong.
Well no, not over. But it'd be a good start.
A lot of what Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden have done should be crimes. We should update our laws