Spyke
Zettareply
mander.xyz

You make an excel to track your operating system of choice for the year but don't include the distro?!? For shame.

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Johannoreply
feddit.de

Ok of I really think hard I might get some pcs and os's that I used since I can remember. But who has such a detailed list of os's they use?

Are Raspberrypis included, do work pcs count?

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In my case work and private OSses align quite well in the timeline, Raspberry Pi's I didn't put in here.

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lemmy.eco.br

Did you stop using a computer between 1994 and 2001? I feel like there's some interesting story in there.

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Yes I did stop using computers during that time. While I had my Amiga in school only nerds had PCs, so I didn't get one, even though I was programming on my Amiga with AMIGABasic and so on. I guess it was mostly because I started doing normal teenager stuff once I was 16 like motorbikes, cars, playing music, going to the clubs, etc. so there was no time and no desire to use a computer. Only once everyone seemed to have internet at home I started feeling left out a bit. for some months I started usincgcomputers in Internet Cafes and then decided to get a used PC.

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Mioreply

I actually feel bad for you using Linux before most stuff had measured. Font anti aliasing, font name, screen tearing, drivers, flatpaks etc.

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Me a few months back when I accidentally formatted the Windows drive I was keeping for dual booting just in case.

"Guess I'm a full timer now"

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SeekPiereply
lemmy.world

Me accidentally installing Fedora on BOTH my hard drives...

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SeekPiereply
lemmy.world

Imagine a 1tb drive partitioned into 16gb parts and a different distro on each. I have ALL the Linuxes.

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lemmy.world

So serious question - are you supposed to dual boot window / Linux for some reason?

When I got frustrated with Windows - I wiped my hard drive and just installed Linux mint having literally never used Linux in my life. I didn't like mint so I tried pop_os (someone here recommended it, thanks again!) and I see zero reason to go back to Windows now.

What is the point of going back to Windows when I can run everything i ran before on Linux now?

My games work better and I've found so many free open source alternatives to everything - it's been really eye opening just jumping in. I'm glad I did.

Edit - I should have clarified Windows other than work, I understand Windows is the life blood of the corporate body - good points on forrnite / valorant / destiny - I don't play those so I didn't know.

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My Windows install does two things

Piracy/modding for consoles when there isn’t a Linux app available < I could probably use Wine

Figuring out tech support for other people when they refuse to use Linux

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I thought you're supposed to dual boot until whatever version of windows you have EOLs and then look up the price of updating windows, say "fuck that" and just not boot windows again for a while and then eventually wipe it when you need more disk space.

Am I the only one?

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Maybe some sort of software that runs better on Windows when you can’t run it through a tool similar to Wine. Even for that subset of software doesn’t work after running it within a VM gets smaller too.

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Bladesreply
lemmy.world

I dual boot purely as a way to help me separate my hobbies. Windows is where I play my games. Linux is where I stay on to my work or work on my personal projects. Separating the OS's is basically just an organizational set up and it works for me.

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Funny, it's the opposite for me haha. Windows on work laptop. Linux on play laptop.

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programming.dev

One of the biggest things stopping me is that my partner loves to play fortnite so i play it with them a lot, is there anything to allow you to play EAC games? Iirc epic said they don't want to account for security across every Linux distro

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Crozekielreply
lemmy.zip

Basically the only road block I've seen is a lot of games using anti-cheat software just refuse to allow Linux. Some of it even has an option to allow it to run under proton and the devs don't enable that option so it's blocked. It's basically them saying they don't trust the Linux community not to cheat.

Then you get into the root-kit anti-cheat stuff like valorant uses which wants to load before the os and then control and monitor everything the os does and what hardware is connected... I've stayed away from the invasive as fuck anti-cheat games for years even before my move to Linux, so nothing lost there.

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The Finals uses anti-cheat software and runs flawlessly on my machine. Such a shame these other developers won't follow suit.

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Heroic Launcher makes Fall Guys work fine for me and it uses EAC. It looks like Fortnite doesn't work with Heroic's EAC implementation; however you can play it in a browser window through Xbox Game Pass (no sub required).

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lemmy.world

is there anything to allow you to play EAC games?

Steam has EAC available under Linux, you just install it just like it is its own game.

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SuperIcereply
lemmy.world

The developer has to specifically allow it though. Epic themselves don't let EAC for Fortnite run on Linux because they don't trust it as much as the rootkit version that only runs Windows.

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lemmy.world

The developer has to specifically allow it though.

True. But then that becomes a vendor problem, and not a Linux problem.

My point is that Linux went from 0% support for any game that uses EAS, to 100% support for any game that uses (and enables) EAS. There's many more games that you can now play on Linux that you could not before.

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It's almost at the point where Wine can run more games than Windows. Most games from the Win98 to early WinXP era just run fine on Wine and don't even show a title screen or glitch and flicker on Win10.

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I've never been a fan of dual booting myself. The computer just ends up spending all of its time in one OS or the other. Plus Microsoft doesn't seem to like to play nice with your bootloader.

I just started using Linux on secondary computers. Once I had gotten things down so the experience was smooth on those machines, moving the main desktop from Windows to Linux was pretty seamless.

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niftyreply
lemmy.world

If you program hardware some tools are only available on windows. Easier to just use windows in that case.

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Oh my, you just gave me a rapid fire slide show flashback.

But I’m in a much nicer software engineering job now. I am most certainly fucking not an automation/controls engineer!

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Telodzrumreply
lemmy.world

I used to dual boot for some work tasks and to play games. With OnlyOffice and Office365 in a browser, I can do everything I used to need desktop Window apps for. With Wine, Proton, and Proton-GE I can play all of my games in Steam or Heroic Launcher, so I don't need Windows for games anymore.

There is still a usecase for people who need Windows for specific usecases; but for most people the only obstacle is learning curve (and don't come at me with Mint, Ubuntu, and ElemntaryOS you're lying to yourselves).

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citrusfacereply
lemmy.world

There was def a learning curve - but I kinda just forced myself to do it. I'm still figuring things out - but I have solved every issue I've run into so far - so I feel good about that.

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Mioreply

It is hard without a transition period. Sometimes you have to do work stuff on your computer.

For me it is Visual Studio that holds me back. Maybe Microsoft Teams as well. Yes, work.

Since I am a power user it will take. Especially now Wayland is very much work in progress. I have some problem with keyboard bindings, text expander. Pidgin and Hexchat works but thinks they are located left top for right click on tray icon.

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db0
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Finally switched (again) full time to Linux early last year. With the current state of Steam proton I have finally 0 reasons to go back. If a game doesn't work natively on Linux, I refund and move on. There's so many games out there, I have no reason to go out of my way for any one.

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Huh, interesting, never thought to do that. Been missing Photoshop. (GIMP just isn't the same)

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I’m sorta, kinda, mostly illiterate, when it comes to what you are doing with adobe. Are you just installing like normal and then copy/paste the Adobe folder from the programs folder into a wine directory?

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lemmy.ca

Have you tried using Proton through Steam? It's possible to load in external games and programs.

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SeekPiereply
lemmy.world

Even pirated games work if you run the installer through Steam.

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GiuEliNoreply
feddit.it

Uhm aveum, and hogwarts works with proton for sure, because I played them with my Linux desktop. Aveum had some issues, but should work OOB now.

Forza I don't know :/ Weird

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kevincoxreply
lemmy.ml

Stange, on Steam Immortals of Aveum is marked as "Unplayable" on the Steam Deck.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2009100/Immortals_of_Aveum/

The most common reason for this is some DRM that doesn't work on Wine/Proton. So looking at the store page I would guess that this is the culprit:

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Incorporated 3rd-Party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper

But I guess you get what you deserve. Don't buy EA games and your life will improve.

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GiuEliNoreply
feddit.it

As you can see here is gold on protondb, it is unsupported on deck only because it's a really heavy game, and the deck does not have enough horse power to play well, but on my beefy desktop it works.

But yeah, the denuvo anti-tamper for sure does not help the performance.

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Ah interesting and good to know. Usually I see games that perform poorly marked as playable but with caveats. I guess it just performs so bad that it is effectively unplayable.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Holy shit never thought I would run into a user in the wild who actively seeked out Immortals of Aveum

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I had the same issue with forza for a long time. as far as I can tell, the only fix is to get an AMD GPU. I uprgaded my 1070 to 7900xtx and now forza runs like a dream. never tried those other two games though

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Hogwarts via steam's proton runs flawlessly.

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lemmy.sdf.org

On my duel booted system I still have windows. But I haven't had to use it in a couple weeks and at this point might just delete it and go fully into Linux only. Just a few windows only apps that are making me unsure. Might try windows vm.

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sh.itjust.works

Honestly if I played any games that had anti cheat I would run a windows vm in QEMU/KVM. Go the GrapheneOS route and sandbox the spyware (cough Google and Microsoft cough)

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Some anti cheats can detect that they're running in a virtual machine and if they do, you'll probably get banned for some reason.

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I think they mean that sandboxing Windows in a VM is akin to how GrapheneOS can sandbox Google apps, not that they would use Graphene on a PC.

Happy to be corrected though!

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I have a Windows install that I haven't booted up in 2 years. I didn't really use it anyway. I just had one thing to finish there, but I am lazy.

I only used it for a few weeks after getting that laptop while waiting for Linux kernel 5.8 which would finally support that hardware as nothing older booted up.

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I like the idea that Linux and Windows have a duel every time your system boots and the winner gets to start up.

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I dual... Just kidding, been running Linux since 2008. I'm done being old Billy's dumpster raccoon.

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lemm.ee

Daily driving linux since i accidentally started formatting my windows drive while installing NixOS. Best mistake of my life.

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mander.xyz

Is this the new "I use nixOS BTW"? just sneak it into a nomal conversation like nothing happened? Legend.

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Telodzrumreply
lemmy.world

I'd tell all the NixOS evangelists to shut up, but they're immutable.

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It felt so great when I finally wiped my Windows drive back in the day. Suddenly I had an extra drive to distro hop to my heart's content without having to wipe the previous distro 👌

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lemm.ee

Oh god... I just switched yesterday. Borked my windows partition while at it, so linux-only it is. The pain I had yesterday... Out of the box, WiFi was busted, fan curves were busted, RGB was busted, HiDPI's is still busted, evdi is also still busted, solved surround sound just a few minutes ago. But hey, five problems solved in a day with two left to go is still much better than windows where a single damn bug in AMD software kept me going nuts for months with no fix in sight.

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itsJoellereply
lemmy.world

It gets better too. I suppose it depends on your distro and hand ware mix as for what works out of the box.

Eg. my pure AMD Rog Zephyrus laptop worked with Fedora pretty much “out of the box” once I enabled 3rd party drivers.

It’s kinda like switching to stick shift— it’s touch weird, but once you’ve daily driven it a bit the system is second nature.

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drathvedroreply
lemm.ee

Huh, stangely, I too have zephyrus laptop, but it's a duo one, with quite unorthodox display setup, too. The wifi indeed automagically started working after install, audio required some pactl trickery as it has two sets of speakers connected to separate audio outputs, evdi might require some actual coding, since there's no way to run one of the screens without it, and both synaptics and manufacturer-provided drivers look pre-alpha and don't even compile... For the rest, https://asus-linux.org/ is a godsend. For HiDPI, maybe got any tips? I have a small 4K main panel, and a couple of big FHD displays. It looks like my options are to either leave dpi unchanged and have everything too small on main panel, or set it to 2 and have everything too big on secondaries, or to use gnome, not sure which is worse... Is there like a daemon, that can dynamically change the window's DPI value, like windows does, that I don't know the name of?

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I’m unsure. I use Gnome (for ease honestly) and Fedora with Wayland, so (iirc) dynamic display stuff is a wash and I haven’t even explored yet since I just use the clamshell.

I may not be the most helpful for you :/

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foobazreply
lemmy.world

HiDPI was painful to setup for me. What DE are you using and are you on Wayland?

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I'm on awesomeWM, it's on Xorg, but I'm not dead-locked on it, though, hoping to try hyprland some day when I have time to screw around.

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Once I'd tasted Linux Mint in 2019, I just gave up on Windows altogether. Linux and BSD all the way!

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It is a fantastic feeling when you just finally say fuck it and run Linux only as your daily driver.

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lemmy.world

Personally I do see how windows can be useful, but for 99% of the things I need to do on a PC I can just do on Linux. For (most) anything else, I can just use windows running on a VM in linux.

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Davinci resolve? Its Linux support is a bit obtuse, but it works.

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lemmy.world

There are three things holding me back from making the switch full time, I use a stream deck from Elgato for automating a lot of tasks, I stream VR titles from Steam, and I have an Nvidia graphics card.

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NAMreply
lemmy.ml

Thank you for giving me 3 huge reasons not to switch, cause I've been a bit tempted lately.

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Two2Tangoreply
lemmy.ca

I switched to Pop_OS and it's honestly been great even with an Nvidia card. Haven't found a game that it won't run, only thing I'm missing is lack of gsync/HDR support

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NAMreply

I can't give up my Stream Deck plugins. I don't trust that that Linux port thing supports all the plugins I use.

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This looks really fascinating. Looks like this may have some more features that I need for my Stream Deck compared to other ones for it on Linux. Might have to hope on a Live USB and check it out. Thanks for sharing!!

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I did take a look at that once before and it didn't quite have all the features that I use daily on my Stream Deck, but thanks for linking to it! Maybe I should take a look again since it's been a year or so.

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discuss.online

You can use VFIO to pass your GPU through to a Windows VM in order to play VR titles. I did this and it worked fine. I block all network access from Windows and then whitelist networks required for gaming.

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I'm going to look into this myself. Been using Ubuntu for a about 6 months but also want to mess around more with VMs

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By the time i got my current pc I hadn't booted into windows for several months in the old one, so it never got installed on this one.

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sh.itjust.works

For me Windows 11 used to consume 7GB of RAM, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma only uses 2GB

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rs137reply
lemmy.world

And what exactly is wrong with that?

My MacBook Pro was 128 GB of memory is so desperate to fill it up that it gives the applications insane amounts of memory. That only took around 30 GB of memory, so the Mac also loaded the entire file system to the memory which takes around 80 GB. The whole system is super fast because it doesn’t have to read the files from a slow SSD, but from a fast memory.

It’s just a matter of how you look at it. The empty memory = wasted memory.

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I think it was around 7.5k EUR. But because I bought and sold Apple shares with this in mind I’ve paid around 500 EUR for that thing.

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lemmy.one

Everything was running fine on Ubuntu for months until an update. Now it just crashes, trying to load.

Turns out Linux doesn't play well with NVIDIA.

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I'm just glad that AMD got their shit together at about the same time Nvidia went downhill. It used to be that you needed to get an Nvidia card to get decent Linux support since, even though its drivers were closed-source, at least they worked at a time when AMD's Linux drivers were absolute garbage. Imagine if things had stayed that way on the AMD side while Nvidia went on its current trajectory; Linux users would be completely out of luck.

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lemmy.world

I switched to Linux in 2018 because my lovely to use MacBook stopped getting updates despite being a perfectly capable machine. It really sank in for me, how much Apple relies on planned obsolescence etc. I switched to Elementary OS and was fascinated by how it worked. That was nearly 6 years ago and now I use Linux on fucking everything.

I have come across times when I've needed Windows but I can usually just set it up in a virtual machine temporarily. However the times when I need Windows are becoming increasingly rare, thank fuck.

It's been absolutely phenomenal in the last 6 years to see how far the Linux and open source eco system has grown. My Steam Deck (Steam OS 3), Jellyfin server (Ubuntu) and even my Starlink (OpenWRT) Internet connection are all great examples of that. And I hope it continues.

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Wasn't the end of the world but I didn't like Apple not shipping new features etc, just because they wanted me to buy a new machine.

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Welcome to the dark side, we have cookies (the good one, not the browser ones)

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lemmy.ca

I've been running Linux KDE desktop only (mostly Ubuntu) since 2003, so well over 20 years, only reason to look at windows was either work, or family who again for the nth time had a forked up windows install

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lemm.ee

I am running mint on my dell and the only thing i am surprised is the bad battery life on Linux. I'm getting 1 hour backup while on windows i was getting close to 3 hours. Can someone help me out here?

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Power management is quite frustrating on Linux, as this is supposed to be tuned by the OEM, but many OEM never bother to tune it on linux.

Even large OEM like dell only ensures all their hardwares "work" on linux, but don't do much further tuning. And many like hp and lenovo sometimes don't even to bother make their hardware work.

This is why buying from small manufactures with good linux support is important. They not only support both windows and linux well, many often come with additional perks like built in country with reasonable labor practice, repairability, upgradablity, no phone tree in support, and supporting Linux desktop development.

Personally, my framework AMD has great battery life on linux by default. And I am sure manufacture like system76, tuxedo, slimbook, starlab, novacustom, etc. all works well.

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programming.dev

Try a few of the options here. I personally have used powertop and tlp and they help, but the best mix for your hardware might be different.

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Also do you really need a full DE when just using a browser on the go? I use i3wm without a compositor on battery and my wifi+firefox battery life went from 5h to about 7-8h.

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lemmy.world

My only thing holding me back is my kids play Roblox and for the life of me I can't get it working since they blocked it last year. Tried all the troubleshooting, vinegar, juice box, etc nothing works

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I use Grapejuice. It's a simple flatpak that I can install and it just works. You just need to go into its settings and choose between Vulkan, D3D11 or something else if the performance isn't good.

EDIT: just found out about Vinegar, I'll try it later. Apparently it's better than Grapejuice

EDIT 2: the game doesn't launch with it even after following the troubleshooting instructions, so if this doesn't work for you use Grapejuice

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finkratreply
lemmy.world

I play along with my kid using Grape juice, was a bit fiddly to get cooperative but after a reboot it works consistently for me on Deb 12 through Flatpak/Flathub.

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Yeah I wish it worked, I tried it on Ubuntu and Manjaro (which is my daily driver)

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I think the only devices in my house that aren't running Linux are running VXWorks or some random embedded OS. Been this way for ages.

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lemmy.world

I haven't tried it myself yet, but I've heard that steam vr does not work well on Linux. Is that still the case? Occasional vr is the only thing keeping me from nuking my windows install.

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SteamVR on Linux works out of the box if you have a Valve Index or a HTC Vive.

There are some others that work via ALVR but can't speak about that.

Two caveats though:

  • Valve likes to break SteamVR for Linux with every third update and then takes weeks to fix it
  • It works but there's a lot of issues with it. From incorrectly scaled UI, to missing features, to SteamVR Home not working for a year straight

Most of the time there are community workarounds but there's only so much they can do.

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Works great. Very occasionally I get an error (black screen) requiring me to disconnect and reconnect the display port adapter but I get the same occasional nonsense with my regular monitor too so 🤷.

Usually that happens after new Nvidia drivers too so...

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I'm Sr IT so I have to stay familiar with Windoze or I confuse the help desk when I ask about trouble shooting they've already done before kicking shit up to me.

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Just realized I've got a wide selection: Windows, MacOS, Android, and EndevourOS, and Manjaro. (I haven't booted the Windows box in MONTHS...)

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I've been using Linux every chance I could since Red Hat 5/Mandrake 6 - available at your local Walmart for $20US for a boxed set CD. So I now have a Cheap, Cheerful, Chinese mini desktop box just to install Linux on since all my old laptops have slowly given up the ghost one by one. I've always been a distro hopper and I missed the exploration. I've been running LM with Cinnamon for the last year and really like the stability, but it's been a few years since I looked in on Fedora. And I'm getting the itch to switch again.

I have one laptop left that is running Win11 that I needed for some specialty software and now since I'm retired, there is little to no reason to keep it that way anymore. I suppose I will need to choose a single distro for that one. Maybe Ubuntu or SuSe Tumbleweed?

It's amazing just how easy choosing a distro and getting it up and running has become. From RTFM and spending a month trying to compile a driver get a Sound Blaster Gold sound card to work on a 486, (I still have PTSD from that dependency hell), to just 20 minutes from start to finish on a new install and everything works.

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Keep this up and we'll start treating lunuxers like vegans.

How do you know someone runs Arch Lunux?

Don't worry, they'll tell you.

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lemmy.world

Still not there and seems very hard yet, today I was just trying to compare two folders from external HDD using something

  1. Can't find a decent folder comparator on Linux
  2. I found a kinda of one but I can't find external HDD on it cause some mount bs in Linux

Such a simple task in windows, Linux is hardly better for regular use.

Edit: so 4 replies one of them is about using commands prompt ( hardly useful for new users) , one says its windows fault, one of them.might be answer and one of them is related to driver issue for drive. And at time of edit i am -4 on votes. So much for linux Community and help.

Why a simple person won't consider windows ? Now I await more minuses I think.

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What's a folder comparator? Showing the difference between two directories can be done with diff -qr dir1 dir2 or with a gui with mold (one Google search away my dude). If installed via flatpak you may need to give it permission to your files (flatseal is nice for that)

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I've found meld to be a good graphical tool to do this sort of thing. Should be in the repos.

Would be nice if it could be launched by file managers though.

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You need drivers for your external USB most likely. Unfortunately, a lot of brands only support microsoft's malware of a OS and use unnecessary proprietary firmware...

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lemmy.ca

Once I can install a program without using the terminal, Linux'll have a chance in the primetimes

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I want to add, most of the program you can think of is in the store (most of the time, by default!), including many properties tools used in industry.

Slack, Microsoft Teams, Zoom, spotify, discord, signal, thunderbird, chrome, firefox, brave, steam, OBS and many more are all installable with one click!

This store is the only store that is actually usable across all three major OSs.

Just saying that, because people coming from other OSs have a hard time believing a usable app store on desktop can exist.

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lemmy.ca

I use Lubuntu for my home theatre PC, typically with a wireless mouse. But the amount of times I had to pull out the keyboard and open a terminal and add repositories and then apt get update all and then reboot and then try to install my program and then turns out I added the repositories for the wrong version of Ubuntu and now I gotta add the right one and also I can't double click someting cause it will open it up as a text file instead of an executable.

Look, I like Linux. This isn't a bad faith propaganda. I honestly think Linux could replace Windows if the developers tried, just tried, to make it user friendly. I work with multple programming languages daily, I'm not computer illiterate, but I appreciate ease of access. When I was a kid, you could install and run things easier on DOS than on Linux today. Why is it so hard to make an installer? Every answer I get on this subject is either whataboutisms or gatekeeping.

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Yeah, the repo shenanigans are something I definitely do not miss from my Ubuntu days. The simplest solution would probably be to look for flatpaks or snap packages instead.

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lemmy.world

and add repositories and then apt get update all and then reboot and then try to install my program and then turns out I added the repositories for the wrong version of Ubuntu and now I gotta add the right one

and also I can’t double click someting cause it will open it up as a text file instead of an executable.

I work with multple programming languages daily, I’m not computer illiterate

As a computer programmer, I'm assuming you're aware of the right click option to mark a file as an executable?

Also, Ubuntu has a GUI for repositories management.

Every answer I get on this subject is either whataboutisms or gatekeeping.

If you were a computer novice then I could maybe understand your criticisms more.

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lemmy.ca

Sweet, then you agree that computer novices have real grievances regarding Linux's usability?

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Sweet, then you agree that computer novices have real grievances regarding Linux’s usability?

A novice would have a learning curve for anything new that they just started to use.

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ysjetreply
lemmy.world

You... can? That's been a thing for ages. Windows has literally been taking queues from Linux on how to makes installing packages and apps easier.

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mander.xyz

Windows has literally been taking queues from Linux on how to makes installing packages and apps easier.

Not to argue with you, but I think it would be fun if you can provide the source for this. I am very interested in how Windows is improving (not that I will jump back)

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Okay, yeah, but it is still mostly a terminal tool. To a user, this is just chocolatey with less packages, lol.

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There's GUI front-ends for things like apt that are pre-installed on many Linux distros, e.g. Ubuntu. And windows has been moving towards trying to have the same thing. And yes, also they've got an apt of their own.

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One of the reason I use linux is because there is no reasonable way to manage/update program on Windows using GUI.

The only reasonable program management tool on Windows is chocolatey, which is in the terminal. I need to remember typing choco upgrade all in command prompt from time to time, and stop all my work to wait for it updates (since it will close your program during updates). And then I will restart to wait for 20 mins for Windows to update itself.

Honestly, I don't mind a break, but remembering thing is not my strong suit; also there are certainly circumstances where stop working for 20 mins is not ideal and Windows just insist on updating itself.

On linux, I install all my program straight from the store (very pretty GUI, even without ads!), and they all automatically update in the background without bothering me at all. Even my OS updates in the background. Every time I reboot, I just boot into a brand new OS, without waiting for any update. (Could use a notification after update is installed, but I think it is broken in gnome...)

I never use the terminal in Linux besides installing and using development tools.

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People say this is u friendly but don't bat an eye at needed a group policy or registry edit to keep edge from stealing your tabs and making itself the default.

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Agreed. Terminal commands for installing simple programs is a huge turn off for Windows users used to opening an exe and it's idiot proof. Getting the casual base will be the crucial point

Edit: oof. Guess this is why it doesn't have a mainstream audience

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