While I personally don't, the difference between this and that is that most people here, together as a community, have decided, again together, that they don't want to federate with Meta apps because of a long history of privacy and other abuses.
That's not the same thing as another billionaire pissed off because they are doing exactly what capitalism is "supposed to do"
Oh boy, everyone should tell those Indian slaves in Dubai. They can't hold you prisoner guys, it's not valid if it's not voluntary, so you can just go home. The capitalists say it's okay…wait, what? Oh! it was the capitalists who put them there.
An innocent person who commits a crime is no longer an innocent person.
A vegetarian who starts eating meat is no longer a vegetarian.
A capitalist who enslaves someone is no longer a capitalist.
I’m so sorry you have trouble with this basic definition, but capitalism is a free market system. Slaves are not free, and that economic relationship is not a free market relationship.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3][4] Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price systems, private property, property rights recognition, voluntary exchange, and wage labor.
You're making a false equivalence. Musk is scared about losing more of his money. People here seemingly don't like Meta and don't want it to infest lemmy. Those aren't even close to being the same.
Or, Musk’s actions could be in line with protecting free speech. I mean, that’s the fear we have of Meta here: that it will destroy this space and silence voices.
So if (a) Musk claims he’s protecting free speech, and then (b) takes actions consistent with that view, then there’s no opening to make an argument of the form “Must claims X but does Y”, when Y could be interpreted as a manifestation of goal X.
Yeah I don’t think he has a case either. I’m talking about the perceived motivations when his actions are consistent with his stated motivations (for running twitter, the ones mentioned in the comment thread I responded to), as evidenced by our own shared pairing of stated motivations and actions.
IANAL, but from what I understand, you can put anything you want in a contract, but it doesn't mean it's enforceable.
So the reason why companies put in non-compete clauses is mostly because people believe it, not because it's really enforceable.
Now if former twitter employees were still getting severance from Twitter while working at Meta, that could be an issue. But generally speaking, if you're not getting money (consideration) non-compete clauses don't matter much.
Noncompetes are basically unenforceable in California, you can make people sign them but they’re about as useful as if they were made out of toilet paper
I think that it is also different if you get fired. Don’t know in detail, but I assume that if they fire you without a valid cause they don’t have any grounds to complain that you did a sensitive and unique work.
Zuckerbot is topologically identical to a human thank you very much. Zuckerbot even has a coelom in the appropriate segment, just as any normal human person.
God dammit I came in here just to say that. I'm going to say the same thing about Marge Greene and Lauren Boebert but you probably already did that too ya jerk
Lmfao. Well, thanks for the free PR, I'm sure, because some poor secretary in his office knows there isn't jack shit they can sue over.
Not that I'm ever going to pretend to like Meta, but having competition is supposed to be the definition of his precious free market. There's even rules and everything about monopolies. Can't take issue with that unless he's ready to declare himself not a capitalist.
Fuckerberg should just send that Muskrat a poop emoji.
We should just start inciting for them to have a no-holds-bar, hell-in-a-cell, ladder, hardcore cage fight to the death. Then, when its over, we just don't open the cage.
They can stay in their habitats; no need to bring in wildlife.
If they’ve grown up in captivity, we can just do an intermission where someone throws a cardboard box in their enclosures and livestream it. It’ll be a hit!
Good ol' fash brain rot. The idols are simultaneously genius who master plan everything like 5D chess, and poor victims who are marginalized and constantly being bullied by the big bad woke.
Maybe that was their game with the federation stuff. "Hey we didn't start this, we were just following suit on this open source project". Anyway this logic wouldn't fly in any court, they can't have a copyright on text-based social media. They can only own their branding. Musk is just throwing a hissy fit again
I think Elon is trying to say they're stealing IP because lots of the Twitter employees he fired went to work on Threads. This is probably where the fediverse stuff comes in clutch, as they're just implementing ActivityPub, so it's not like it's industry secrets or anything.
Yeah, people have suggested they believe Meta would/did use Twitter code. I don't know why they would... Meta already has IG, which is set up almost exactly like Twitter, and if anything they could imitate code from Mastodon.
Eh anyone can threaten to sue. Let me know if he finds a lawyer to file that thinks they have standing.
I wonder if mom competes are valid if you get laid off. They are mostly not valid at all in California already.
Woah crazyyyy, free speech absolutist capitalist seems to hate competition. I wonder why!
Something something free market something something capitalism
We’re treating Meta as a threat to our community too.
While I personally don't, the difference between this and that is that most people here, together as a community, have decided, again together, that they don't want to federate with Meta apps because of a long history of privacy and other abuses.
That's not the same thing as another billionaire pissed off because they are doing exactly what capitalism is "supposed to do"
Do better or die is the whole philosophy no?
The whole philosophy of capitalism is “Economic interaction must be voluntary to be valid.
Oh boy, everyone should tell those Indian slaves in Dubai. They can't hold you prisoner guys, it's not valid if it's not voluntary, so you can just go home. The capitalists say it's okay…wait, what? Oh! it was the capitalists who put them there.
Nope sorry. Capitalism is defined by voluntary cooperation. Slavery’s not capitalism.
You should tell capitalists, it seems like they didn't get the memo.
An innocent person who commits a crime is no longer an innocent person.
A vegetarian who starts eating meat is no longer a vegetarian.
A capitalist who enslaves someone is no longer a capitalist.
I’m so sorry you have trouble with this basic definition, but capitalism is a free market system. Slaves are not free, and that economic relationship is not a free market relationship.
You got a source on this definition? Because it sure sounds like bullshit
From wikipedia:
Those things don't sound mutually exclusive
You don’t see the conflict?
Here it’s a case of hypocrisy, as it’s a conflict between berating someone else for some behavior, and engaging in it ourselves.
You're making a false equivalence. Musk is scared about losing more of his money. People here seemingly don't like Meta and don't want it to infest lemmy. Those aren't even close to being the same.
Or, Musk’s actions could be in line with protecting free speech. I mean, that’s the fear we have of Meta here: that it will destroy this space and silence voices.
So if (a) Musk claims he’s protecting free speech, and then (b) takes actions consistent with that view, then there’s no opening to make an argument of the form “Must claims X but does Y”, when Y could be interpreted as a manifestation of goal X.
Musk, who has regularly demonstrated he is not a 'free speech absolutist', is protecting free speech? K
Well what I said was:
Yeah I don’t think he has a case either. I’m talking about the perceived motivations when his actions are consistent with his stated motivations (for running twitter, the ones mentioned in the comment thread I responded to), as evidenced by our own shared pairing of stated motivations and actions.
LOL, you mean all those employees you unceremoniously fired?
I'm sure twatter would have a no compete clause if they could. Maybe they can?
IANAL, but from what I understand, you can put anything you want in a contract, but it doesn't mean it's enforceable.
So the reason why companies put in non-compete clauses is mostly because people believe it, not because it's really enforceable.
Now if former twitter employees were still getting severance from Twitter while working at Meta, that could be an issue. But generally speaking, if you're not getting money (consideration) non-compete clauses don't matter much.
In most regions, you're right: you can put a noncompete in a contract, but enforcing it is another matter.
But noncompete clauses are explicitly illegal in California, where Twitter is based.
Most severance is paid in a lump sum.
And if they laid you off or fired you, there’s no way they can enforce a no compete clause.
Noncompetes are basically unenforceable in California, you can make people sign them but they’re about as useful as if they were made out of toilet paper
But wouldn't they be more useful, when made out of toilet paper?
I think that it is also different if you get fired. Don’t know in detail, but I assume that if they fire you without a valid cause they don’t have any grounds to complain that you did a sensitive and unique work.
Though I don't think this will happen
Elon's mommy is going to put a stop to it again
The Zucc needs to take her out for a real nice seafood dinner, then never call her again
Dorothy Musk is a saint!
These two need to just fuck and get it over with already
Tshh as if Zuckerbot has a standard plug or socket for human style relations.
He probably has but Elon only uses the Tesla standard plug.
Zuckerbot is topologically identical to a human thank you very much. Zuckerbot even has a coelom in the appropriate segment, just as any normal human person.
Just find any plug somewhere and jack in
There is a plug. It’s in the butt.
God dammit I came in here just to say that. I'm going to say the same thing about Marge Greene and Lauren Boebert but you probably already did that too ya jerk
It can be one of those erotic wrestling matches. Start off fighting, end up fucking. 2-for-1 PPV special to end all PPV specials.
Have you heard of SexFighting
Figure it out in the ring
I’m very much looking forward to that fight. Whichever way it goes, we’re going to see one of earth’s biggest douchebags get beat up.
Yes. Exactly. I’m here for it.
Bring back Celebrity Death Match, please!
Lmfao. Well, thanks for the free PR, I'm sure, because some poor secretary in his office knows there isn't jack shit they can sue over.
Not that I'm ever going to pretend to like Meta, but having competition is supposed to be the definition of his precious free market. There's even rules and everything about monopolies. Can't take issue with that unless he's ready to declare himself not a capitalist.
You don't really need a good argument to file a lawsuit. And Musk seems petty and short-sighted enough to try it.
I'm not particularly fond of either, so I'm gonna make some popcorn and hope this blows up into the biggest shit storm possible.
Fuckerberg should just send that Muskrat a poop emoji.
We should just start inciting for them to have a no-holds-bar, hell-in-a-cell, ladder, hardcore cage fight to the death. Then, when its over, we just don't open the cage.
It's ok, it'll take Mark a few hours to unhinge his jaw and swallow Elon's corpse whole. Then he's gunna find a nice warm rock to lay on and digest.
I think we should start putting our money where our mouths are and start eating these people and their businesses
Putting our mouths where their money is? No, I don't like that after all...
You’d probably catch a buzz at least if you could get over the stds
If we don't open the cage, how do we let the lions in?
They can stay in their habitats; no need to bring in wildlife.
If they’ve grown up in captivity, we can just do an intermission where someone throws a cardboard box in their enclosures and livestream it. It’ll be a hit!
I'm confused, I thought Elon was trying to kill Twitter on purpose.
Good ol' fash brain rot. The idols are simultaneously genius who master plan everything like 5D chess, and poor victims who are marginalized and constantly being bullied by the big bad woke.
He has made over 200m a day since the api changes. -Some statistic I read. I.e trust me bro.
let them eat each other out
Thanks for that horrific mental imagery.
With ai we can make it a real image
Stop
I for one have accepted our fantastic robot overlords
I don't think it's your competitors that are the problem, Twitter.
Zuckerberg still wants that match. Decided to step into the social media ring
All this talk of zuck fighting just reminds me of that South Park episode.
You think you can block me?
My shtyle
Lol I hope they fight and burn all the cash
Maybe that was their game with the federation stuff. "Hey we didn't start this, we were just following suit on this open source project". Anyway this logic wouldn't fly in any court, they can't have a copyright on text-based social media. They can only own their branding. Musk is just throwing a hissy fit again
I think Elon is trying to say they're stealing IP because lots of the Twitter employees he fired went to work on Threads. This is probably where the fediverse stuff comes in clutch, as they're just implementing ActivityPub, so it's not like it's industry secrets or anything.
Yeah, people have suggested they believe Meta would/did use Twitter code. I don't know why they would... Meta already has IG, which is set up almost exactly like Twitter, and if anything they could imitate code from Mastodon.
Yeah there's no way in hell they're using Twitter code lol.
Where is my cage fight?
Eh anyone can threaten to sue. Let me know if he finds a lawyer to file that thinks they have standing. I wonder if mom competes are valid if you get laid off. They are mostly not valid at all in California already.
i know it's (probably) a typo, but the thought of "mom compete" clauses is cracking me up
Lol, I'm leaving it!
And has confidence they’ll actually be paid.
Can we add lions?
Can't they just fist-fight each other and disappoint all of the viewers already?
Sue for what? Such an entitlement. Should ford and GM sue him for competing with their car business?
Is anyone surprised Musk is throwing another hissy fit?
Mastodon is goin end up with a Zuk
I demand a match in the Thunderdome.
On the other hand, it would be the most boring match ever...like two wet noodles fighting...
You seem to be missing that the Zuck is a martial artist and very legit athlete...
You may not like it, but this is what peak athleticism looks like.
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1672258653431406592?t=bB7JPdyjraWjKBGSqsnRsg&s=19
Tbh my money is still on Zucc though, I bet he's scrappy
Musk’s a wallfacer
I won't lie, I misread that as wallfucker
That is an amazing insult.
Zucks hair looks like those tiktok vids of guys who's baber fucked their haircut up.
How preposterous, Human Man Zuckerberg has a completely normal and decidedly regular keratin growth styling!
let them fight
Imagine if the future of Threads was, uh, hanging by a thread during the upcoming Suck vs Elmo cage match
Lemmy is the coziest place in the internet right now, it's great
Yea, well Disney should sue X-Corp on IP infringement. X-Corp was tied to the X-Men and mutants until Musk decided he would steal that.
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/elon-musk-twitter-legal-threat-meta-instagram-threads-1235663115/
probably not going to happen but i will prepare some popcorn just in case
Let it die
Isnt threads just lemmyverse code?