Berlin Stops Blocking Artists From Criticizing Israel After Massive Boycott
A controversial rule restricting speech about Israel was dropped after artists abandoned festival lineups in Germany’s techno mecca.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjynq/berlin-artists-boycott-israel-palestine-Open linkView original on kbin.social195
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Anti-genocide and anti-apartheid ≠ antisemitism
"Broadly speaking, apartheid was delineated into petty apartheid, which entailed the segregation of public facilities and social events, and grand apartheid, which dictated housing and employment opportunities by race."
How is it not apartheid?
Edit: wait a minute, why am I arguing with two cookie-based accounts that are pro-Israel and less than a week old on this thread...
Chomsky called it worse than apartheid and that was in 2014
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing
There is a documentary called roadmap to apartheid that compares side by side what happened in south Africa and what continues to happen everyday to the Palestinians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4
I highly recommend it, it is hard to watch though.
As much as I agree, Chomsky is no trustworthy source on what is or isn't a genocide
The man has bent himself in so many knots denying what happened in the yugoslav wars that I'm pretty sure Bosnia would actively refuse to prosecute if someone shot the bastard in broad daylight in the middle of Sarajevo.
genocide is what some people on both sides want to do and it's sad that they are influential enough that no resolution of this conflict is in sight in my lifetime -.-
TIL criticizing a government is exactly the same as being racist towards its whole nation.
"Free speech is when you're not allowed to say mean things about Bibi, it hurts his feelings!"
I don't think you are making anyone more empathetic towards your goal of killing civilians so you cna have even more stolen land.
Honestly, by now I think YOU can be blamed for anti semitism. By being a literal asswipe of a combo of fake religion, inbreeding and TERROR.
Curious what religion is not fake in your opinion?
The flying spaghetti monster of course!
Both the wording of the rule and the use of the rule was very clear that this was about all criticism of Israel unless it's "criticism" like "Israel doesn't do enough to protect itself".
That "guideline" is hate-speech and genocide-apologism in it's most cynical form because it is disguised as anti-discrimination. The people who proposed and implemented it should be ostracized.
No country has a right to exist.
Being anti-colonialist is forbidden? Is it antisemitism because this time the colonizers claim to do it in the name of Judaism?
According to Wikipedia:
There is a fine line, however, restricting the ability to criticize genocide is not a good thing— unless people consider Palestinians as subhuman, subanimal, which we acknowledge some do.
40,000 confirmed civilian deaths in 3 months isnt genocide? Israeli's are openly murdering anyone who looks even vaguely Palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank
The only reason Gaza isn't being called a concentration camp with a theoretical government at this point is because the west largely aren't aware that Israel subjects holocaust survivor families to abject poverty and being called Soap People.
They were literally caught stealing the reparation payments intended for the victims and their families, so much so that a NGO is now the responsible party for distributing the remaining survivor payments.
They openly cooperate with neo nazi and neo nazi associated movements in the west because the more hostile westerners are to jews the more settlers they can claim need to he housed by evicting and killing Palestinians.
These guys sure are doing a fucking lot of nazi shit for how offensive everyone seems to think pointing out they're doing stuff the Nazis did is.
Yes there is.
How the turntable
Assholes. Its not criticism its terrorism support! Nobody cares about these "artists"
Even if you believe Israel to be completely justified in everything they do, there should never be a blanket ban on criticizing the methods of a country at war.
The ban wasn't on criticism it was on their blunt antisemitism and terrorism support. There has been lost of criticism in Germany about Israels methods.
Sure, it was, at least according to the article. Emphasis mine:
And that is why Vice is a trash publication. Here is the correct text:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/chialo-erlass-gegen-antisemitismus-berlins-kultureinrichtungen-bekommen-neue-forderrichtlinien-11006422.html
And what is in the IHRA-definition?
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/kultur-und-gesellschaft/-/216610
There's nothing in there about "criticising the countries occupation of Palestinian lands". You just can't fucking mask your antisemitism by raging against Israel.
That is some valuable context, thank you. Definitely seems like skewed reporting from Vice. The definition as you posted it definitely seems better than what Vice reported, though its last sentence is so vague that it could easily be used to silence criticism, whether it was meant to do that or not.
Yes "Palestinia" has claimed to own the entire land Israel. So in short, Antisemitism.
Wanting foreign invaders out of the land they stole almost a century ago is not antisemetic.
Criticizing zionism and israeli settler colonialism is not antisemetic either.
It is.
It is, its idiotic and they stole the land as well.
This is the same argument Russia has for Ukraine btw.
No they didn't. Even the christian crusaders, who where happy to commit pogroms against jews in Europe as a sort of "motivational entertainment" had to note the peaceful coexistence of jews, christians and muslims under islamic rule.
The Palestinians of today are the descendants of the biblical abrahamic tribes. White european, often secular, jews, who now control Israel are killing the people whose lineage is closer to David and Abraham, than theirs could ever be.
I know you and your ilk don't care about that, but no they didn't. The Palestinians of today are the same Palestinians of 2000 years ago. Palestine wasn't only Jews.
Wow that makes all Germans anti semites as well?
Cause they want their own country SOVEREIGN and some jews happen to live there?
They did until Balfour decided to just take land from people already there and arbitrarily draw new lines on a map, probably with a sharpie.
Israel are the terrorists in this case.
Maybe someone should take your free speech away, asshole
Please keep it civil here. After all we can still discuss and explain why some opinions are objectively bad.
What?
Yes
Ok i guess?
are you a bot?
Definitely. 100% and im paid for by the CIA with drug Cartel money.