Ok, so say something is up with my car and i want to look into fixing it. I'm not in any car discord servers, so how do i find what is up with my car with? I can search all the dates and users i want, but i wont find anything useful. 10 years ago i could have just googled my make and model with with problem and the first link would have been a Saturn owners forum i never heard of with a thread detailing the problem thoroughly as well as estimates of how much i can expect to pay to fix it. Discord is just a modern IRC; it's great for talking with your buddies in real time and having that all be logged, but it's a terrible way to find information.
Lol yeah, now when you search google for stuff like that the experience is:
You find a website with a link to an owner’s enthusiast discord for your car’s model.
But then once you join you have access to one channel called #rules
Then you figure out you have to react to that one message in that channel with a tire burning out emoji and you get access to another channel called #introductions where you have to describe yourself and your car.
Then if a mod thinks it’s genuine, they’ll let you in to the other channels.
You finally get in and search for your issue. Your issue is really specific, but you don’t know the technical terms to search for, so your keyword of “brake squeaking” pulls up all a massive unorganized list of results purely sorted by post date of anything including those keywords, no way to sort by relevancy or popularity, so you scroll, and you scroll.
You find one message that is close, but you need more info. But before you can post in the #help channel you have to make 3 posts in #general (to fight spam of course).
Finally, after succeeding in the requirements, you copy a link to the message you found in search and post in #help.
A mod tells you to use the search, that question has been answered. You explain that you already did but you’re not sure exactly what to search for. You are now banned
Discord’s walled garden and conversational approach is awful for gestalt knowledge storage and access.
I hate Discord for the reason you mentioned but I remember having to jump through hoops on forums too. Shit sucked, but at least it was searchable and readable without having to do anything
Yeah forums were never great for organizing knowledge, but discord, being a chat platform, is the worst parts of forums without the good parts when it comes to trying to find answers. Honestly the best thing was Reddit, but Reddit now self destructing means that I can only hope lemmy instances allow themselves to be indexed so they begin to fill search results of real, organized questions and answers, with the benefit of comments being upvoted and downvoted and sortable, so the valuable information is more readily available
Okay yeah you're right here. Discord search is great for searching a server that you expect to have an answer. There is no solution if you aren't already part of a community.
All the others have good examples, but I mean something different.
If you search in a forum, you most likely get a thread dedicated to only your problem or something very similar with lots of matching answers (best case)
In Discord you find a question by someone with your exact problem and then 40 messages about other problems, cause there is only a single "problems" channel. This is a god awful experience.
It works until you wanna search for something that's somewhat similar to a common word. The other day I wanted to look for a discussion I've had about OpenAL, went to search for it and it showed everything with the word "open" in it. There's no further control so you're just at the mercy of what the search thinks you want, and this happens way too often.
This is anecdotal, but... I feel like it has gotten really slow. It's like it doesn't index anymore. It's so slow as to be unusable, even if I'm just searching within one DM history.
Mods don't do shit anyway. You could remove them and every community would immediately improve. Doing absolutely nothing in this case will be better than what's going on now
and if the format allows for that I also believe they should mediate conflicts between members
corruption and power trips are another thing, it's a really common problem because any amount of power can get into people's heads and make them act like assholes. I believe a part of the problem is also opting for the path of least resistance, where instead of solving a solvable problem a lot of mods instead opt to just get rid of it. But then how much bullshit are you capable of putting up with?
don't get me wrong, I myself am an anarchist, but today's internet is not built to be sustainable without moderation. Anarchism relies on mutual aid and keeping each other accountable, which is just not possible in a place where everyone is anonymous, can create a hundred alts, and doesn't even need to look another person in the eyes as they hurt them and the communities they are active in
I always find it weird when people complain about getting banned by "power tripping mods". I have only had a few encounters with a moderator who I thought was being overly obsessive about arbitrary rules. Most of my time, I did not care to resubmit contents to a group who did not want to see it anyways. The few times that I did, I carefully tried to address the moderators objections and my repost was allowed.
Sure, there are definitely some idiots who are obsessed with their perfect view of what should be said on a forum, but most of the time that I have seen, it is a user who cannot act right and doubles down on their stupid when they get called out on it.
sadly it appears that they all but have. so many projects out there decide that Discord should be the only way to discuss development, report bugs, or offer tech support.
It is. Slack and Discord didn't kill forums, Reddit did. Because Reddit is a mega-forum. Instead of creating a specialized forum somewhere on a website you need to maintain, it's easier to just create a subreddit. Bam, new forum!
And we're discussing the disappearance of forums on a forum...
I've checked out a couple old newsgroups that I know of, but not much was going on. One of them was a little active and I peruse it every now and again, one was just some troll and a bunch of spam. Any good tips resources on finding newsgroups that are activeish?
Uh. Ever try to follow along in a forum when people start quoting each other and then having side conversations? The old forum layout sucks, Lemmy and Reddit with their parent-child thread-based systems are infinitely better.
and necrobumping decade old threads. i confused a lot of people on ign making one of my only posts on a 10 year old thread. and i did that around 10 years ago haha. good times
All depend the subject. For some a web forum model is better, for others the reddit/lemmy is better. Then side convo should be handled by the webforum admins.
I never understood why forum admins hated this so much. If I have an update to an old issue, why shouldn't I post it in the same place? Why create a whole new thread?
I've seen fora so ADHD they lock threads after a month or something. This is comical, given I work in deployment and management of enterprise OSes, which typically lock versions as maintenance branches at the start of their support window. Solaris10 will die after a TWENTY-SEVEN YEAR support window, but it's typically a decade.
But if "necroing" is to update a thread after an arbitrarily-short time, and if people get banned for it, then the admins of that forum are naive and stupid. The way I solved a problem with my TheForeman installation (what junk) a few months ago leveraged something from 20 years ago.
I'm a fan of usenet's "comp" tree, anyway. Forum threading has always come off as weird, and the format has always seemed a little emoji-heavy.
I think it depends on the forum. On the forum I am, there is no search timeout and necroposting is allowed as long as you bring something relevant to the discussion. And if you accidentaly create a new post that should have been somewhere else, the post is simply moved there.
You have to register before you can download files.
You register, login, download the file... And then you never see that forum in your life because you only had this one difficult problem with the device or it breaks completely and you buy a different brand.
So that's the reason why in the Star Trek future there's a whole chunk of 21st Century history missing. Not because of a global war, but because everyone was posting on Slack, Discord, and gated social networks.
Waiting on federated forums to become a thing. I guess one could host a simple phpBB forum and let users create sub forums or categories for their own use?
I don't really see a lot of overlap between these technologies. To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.
Discord is a place for keeping up with friends, finding a group for a game, or discussing something current with people that share an interest (e.g. discussing the latest episode of X show).
Slack is for keeping up with current things and chatting with team members at work, and following alerts for an application that you're supporting (because that's way better than email alerts).
I recognize that there are people that use these technologies differently, but they each have their own niche that I wouldn't want to use the others for. Forums are not a great tool for instant communication or relatively "chaotic" discussion (it's a lot harder to follow the splitting chains of thought compared to breaking side conversations into threads that are still easy to follow along in a channel), and nobody wants to constantly refresh to keep up with the conversation.
To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.
I absolutely agree with you. The problem is, increasingly others are not agreeing with us. Soooo many projects that fall into this category have 100% of all information(even documentation!) related to the project ONLY available on Discord.
I'm not saying that discord servers for support are a good solution -- I think the problems with archiving and search alone should disqualify it as a support platform.
But forums have their own problems. I think it's weird that forum advocates don't seem to consider why it started to fade as a medium. Individual accounts for each forum, the need for active moderation of threads for relevancy, and practices that made for negative user experiences like rules against necroing are all valid reasons (among others) for why people moved away from forums. And I can't think of a great way to prevent the "I need help!!" thread titles besides having moderators or approvals.
Knowledge management is hard, there's a reason why library science is a master's level degree lol
You cannot possibly expect people to sit there after they type their shit frothing in the mouth waiting for any reply or stimulation because you deprived them of the ability to send their floaty emojis and see numbers move around. Imagine that.
Fr. I have fun on discord when it's a smallish server/fewer people are online. But I've been on a couple more massive ones, and I just can't keep up with the conversation(s) happening too quickly. Maybe it just takes getting used to, but I haven't had the chance since my phone tends to crash from it lol
How large are we talking? My company of <50 is full of adults which use Slack with restraint. We have organised conversations and no one uses memes or reaction emojis.
Anyone that make a chat tool that do not support the open federated matrix protocol, have ulterior motives. Probably to lock you and your eyeballs into their walled garden.
You can also do real time voice comms via Steam, even in a group setting.
You can also stream your game, or with a little bit of tomfoolerly, your desktop, or other applications, via Steam.
This all works on basically all OSs at this point, and a large part of it works on mobile as well.
Steam is also way, waaay more secure than Discord.
And you also get MySpace-esque customizable personal homepages for yourself.
From a technical standpoint... here you go here is your solution for basically all kinds of social media/online interaction.
Why do more people not recognize this or use it this way?
/Because the vast, vast majority of internet users are uninformed, highly susceptible to peer pressure , and love to build and follow social norms for superficial reasons./
When it comes to socializing on the internet, the vast, vast majority of people will /say/ they would prefer to use some kind of system that works some kind of way, and then not actually do that and instead just go with whatever most of their friends are using, or with what is wildly popular, or with whatever some niche community they are interested in is using.
If you have ever looked at much market research data, for basically anything really, but especially tech and double especially video games, you will soon realize the vast majority of people are hypocritical and inconsistent about a great many things, and seem to /think/ they care about things that their /actions/ clearly indicate they do not really actually care about.
/Because the vast, vast majority of internet users are uninformed, highly susceptible to peer pressure , and love to build and follow social norms for superficial reasons./
I offer a less patronizing explanation:
Social interaction requires other people to interact with. A platform with more people can provide more social interaction. The average person does not make the choice to use larger platforms because they are uninformed or affected by peer pressure. They make that choice because the thing they value most in social media is a large userbase.
The average person does not claim to want something more out of social media. They don't care what advantages or disadvantages a platform has.
There are of course people who claim to care about these things and still continue to use more popular and worse platforms, but they are far less common than you seem to think. Also the fact they aren't changing their behavior doesn't mean they don't actually care, it just means they care more about other things.
What you have said is true, but does not make what I said false.
Maybe this is just my way of speaking, but if you say you care about something, or want some feature, and you are presented with it, and then... now it also needs to be something else, or something specific other thing that has that something else...
Then you did not /actually/ want the thing you said you wanted.
Yes, in that case, you are correct that this person wanted something /more/ than something else.
Look I think the easiest way to explain this is that if you take say large and thorough political polls of Americans, it is so very obvious and easy to see with the data that an astounding amount of people hold positions that are obviously logically contradictory to hold at the same time, that this is why /decades/ ago political campaigns have been focusing on key words and phrases that sound nice over non ambiguous and concrete policy positions, which generally are less popular than using certain phrases.
There are tons of people who think they care about something and will say they care about it a lot, but when push comes to shove, they will do something, engage in some behavior that evidences they dont /actually/ care about it when push comes to shove. That they will then qualify their position and start rationalizing extra conditions that make them for some reason exempt in this specific case.
I dunno, perhaps I am ranting pointlessly, but to me it seems utterly uncontroversial to say many people are hypocrites to some degree, or have inconsistent wants or beliefs, to me that seems pretty well evidenced by the entire field of psychology.
I mean that's even more problematic as the entirety of your comment is rude, you start with "attention hoes" and then point out the way the text was written with bad intentions. I don't know what you don't understand about your comment being bad.
Most importantly, they're searchable on the internet.
Discord isn't even really searchable on discord. It was never meant for this kind of stuff and it shows.
What? Discord search is great. You can search by users, channels, text string, attachment file type, date, etc.
Ok, so say something is up with my car and i want to look into fixing it. I'm not in any car discord servers, so how do i find what is up with my car with? I can search all the dates and users i want, but i wont find anything useful. 10 years ago i could have just googled my make and model with with problem and the first link would have been a Saturn owners forum i never heard of with a thread detailing the problem thoroughly as well as estimates of how much i can expect to pay to fix it. Discord is just a modern IRC; it's great for talking with your buddies in real time and having that all be logged, but it's a terrible way to find information.
Lol yeah, now when you search google for stuff like that the experience is:
You find a website with a link to an owner’s enthusiast discord for your car’s model.
But then once you join you have access to one channel called #rules
Then you figure out you have to react to that one message in that channel with a tire burning out emoji and you get access to another channel called #introductions where you have to describe yourself and your car.
Then if a mod thinks it’s genuine, they’ll let you in to the other channels.
You finally get in and search for your issue. Your issue is really specific, but you don’t know the technical terms to search for, so your keyword of “brake squeaking” pulls up all a massive unorganized list of results purely sorted by post date of anything including those keywords, no way to sort by relevancy or popularity, so you scroll, and you scroll.
You find one message that is close, but you need more info. But before you can post in the #help channel you have to make 3 posts in #general (to fight spam of course).
Finally, after succeeding in the requirements, you copy a link to the message you found in search and post in #help.
A mod tells you to use the search, that question has been answered. You explain that you already did but you’re not sure exactly what to search for. You are now banned
Discord’s walled garden and conversational approach is awful for gestalt knowledge storage and access.
I hate Discord for the reason you mentioned but I remember having to jump through hoops on forums too. Shit sucked, but at least it was searchable and readable without having to do anything
Yeah forums were never great for organizing knowledge, but discord, being a chat platform, is the worst parts of forums without the good parts when it comes to trying to find answers. Honestly the best thing was Reddit, but Reddit now self destructing means that I can only hope lemmy instances allow themselves to be indexed so they begin to fill search results of real, organized questions and answers, with the benefit of comments being upvoted and downvoted and sortable, so the valuable information is more readily available
You just have to laugh…
Otherwise you’d cry! Thanks for this :-)
Okay yeah you're right here. Discord search is great for searching a server that you expect to have an answer. There is no solution if you aren't already part of a community.
All the others have good examples, but I mean something different.
If you search in a forum, you most likely get a thread dedicated to only your problem or something very similar with lots of matching answers (best case)
In Discord you find a question by someone with your exact problem and then 40 messages about other problems, cause there is only a single "problems" channel. This is a god awful experience.
It works until you wanna search for something that's somewhat similar to a common word. The other day I wanted to look for a discussion I've had about OpenAL, went to search for it and it showed everything with the word "open" in it. There's no further control so you're just at the mercy of what the search thinks you want, and this happens way too often.
This is anecdotal, but... I feel like it has gotten really slow. It's like it doesn't index anymore. It's so slow as to be unusable, even if I'm just searching within one DM history.
https://xkcd.com/979/
If you thought Reddit or Lemmy mods were bad, wait until you deal with a forum admin on a power trip.
They're the same people. If someone is on a power trip, it suck regardless.
Yeah plus mods do all the shit the rest of us don’t want to do
Mods don't do shit anyway. You could remove them and every community would immediately improve. Doing absolutely nothing in this case will be better than what's going on now
Naw, thats when the freeze peaches people come and turn it into a cess pool of racism and trolls.
If you’re talking about discord yeah. Not exactly what they do there but I also haven’t used it in years.
On forums they remove spam, CP, all that shitty stuff no one wants to see.
nah man,
mods that are doing their (unpaid) job help with:
corruption and power trips are another thing, it's a really common problem because any amount of power can get into people's heads and make them act like assholes. I believe a part of the problem is also opting for the path of least resistance, where instead of solving a solvable problem a lot of mods instead opt to just get rid of it. But then how much bullshit are you capable of putting up with?
don't get me wrong, I myself am an anarchist, but today's internet is not built to be sustainable without moderation. Anarchism relies on mutual aid and keeping each other accountable, which is just not possible in a place where everyone is anonymous, can create a hundred alts, and doesn't even need to look another person in the eyes as they hurt them and the communities they are active in
I agree, let votes deal with it and take mods out of the equation.
I always find it weird when people complain about getting banned by "power tripping mods". I have only had a few encounters with a moderator who I thought was being overly obsessive about arbitrary rules. Most of my time, I did not care to resubmit contents to a group who did not want to see it anyways. The few times that I did, I carefully tried to address the moderators objections and my repost was allowed.
Sure, there are definitely some idiots who are obsessed with their perfect view of what should be said on a forum, but most of the time that I have seen, it is a user who cannot act right and doubles down on their stupid when they get called out on it.
Forums never went anywhere. It's just that the techno hipsters found something new.
sadly it appears that they all but have. so many projects out there decide that Discord should be the only way to discuss development, report bugs, or offer tech support.
Forums didnt, but users did
Like WTF is a comment section under a post if not a type of forum?
It is. Slack and Discord didn't kill forums, Reddit did. Because Reddit is a mega-forum. Instead of creating a specialized forum somewhere on a website you need to maintain, it's easier to just create a subreddit. Bam, new forum!
And we're discussing the disappearance of forums on a forum...
Tapatalk made all my favorite forums pretty shit
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Reddit/Lemmy is like a forum, but bad. They don't have a good way to see unread additions to a thread, making long discussions impossible.
I wonder if that is what the chat view on lemmy is for. I tried it out, but I couldn't understand how it is sorted.
It says it's sorted by new, but the post times don't seem to match that.
Those who do not understand Usenet are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
I sign on to Usenet occasionally just to feel like I'm part of some global secret society.
You don't get that from being here?
My wife and family thinks all of you are spies or drug runners.
Lemmy is basically the dark web to your average instagram user.
True, but at least they've heard of the dark web
ouch!
I've checked out a couple old newsgroups that I know of, but not much was going on. One of them was a little active and I peruse it every now and again, one was just some troll and a bunch of spam. Any good tips resources on finding newsgroups that are activeish?
Uh. Ever try to follow along in a forum when people start quoting each other and then having side conversations? The old forum layout sucks, Lemmy and Reddit with their parent-child thread-based systems are infinitely better.
Depends on the forum software, there are some that have proper threading
but making quote towers is part of the fun!
and necrobumping decade old threads. i confused a lot of people on ign making one of my only posts on a 10 year old thread. and i did that around 10 years ago haha. good times
All depend the subject. For some a web forum model is better, for others the reddit/lemmy is better. Then side convo should be handled by the webforum admins.
Posts a problem on a thread
PLEASE SEARCH BEFORE YOU ASK A QUESTION. THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED, HERES A LINK TO THE RULES
searches with incorrect wording or phrasing and tries again
PLEASE WAIT 30 SECONDS BEFORE SEARCHING AGAIN
Finds tangentially related thread but not quite your problem and posts to it to see if anyone has had similar issues
BANNED FOR NECROING
extra points if you do it through facepunch
I never understood why forum admins hated this so much. If I have an update to an old issue, why shouldn't I post it in the same place? Why create a whole new thread?
I've seen fora so ADHD they lock threads after a month or something. This is comical, given I work in deployment and management of enterprise OSes, which typically lock versions as maintenance branches at the start of their support window. Solaris10 will die after a TWENTY-SEVEN YEAR support window, but it's typically a decade.
But if "necroing" is to update a thread after an arbitrarily-short time, and if people get banned for it, then the admins of that forum are naive and stupid. The way I solved a problem with my TheForeman installation (what junk) a few months ago leveraged something from 20 years ago.
I'm a fan of usenet's "comp" tree, anyway. Forum threading has always come off as weird, and the format has always seemed a little emoji-heavy.
I think it depends on the forum. On the forum I am, there is no search timeout and necroposting is allowed as long as you bring something relevant to the discussion. And if you accidentaly create a new post that should have been somewhere else, the post is simply moved there.
The solution: download this file and flash it
Clicks link
You have to register before you can download files.
You register, login, download the file... And then you never see that forum in your life because you only had this one difficult problem with the device or it breaks completely and you buy a different brand.
That's when you become a forum troll like Shrek
So that's the reason why in the Star Trek future there's a whole chunk of 21st Century history missing. Not because of a global war, but because everyone was posting on Slack, Discord, and gated social networks.
Forums are gated too?
Only for replying usually, at least for the ones I know
Waiting on federated forums to become a thing. I guess one could host a simple phpBB forum and let users create sub forums or categories for their own use?
oooooh we could call it Lenny
Oh no not Lenny
( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )
Our Lenny?
Femmy
Discourse is adding federation:
Lemmy actually offers a phpBB frontend: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
Some time ago lemmy.ml could be accessed through fedibb.ml, which unfortunately is down now.
Seriously, Discord is so chaotic I can't even use it.
I don't really see a lot of overlap between these technologies. To me, forums are useful for getting help / sharing knowledge on a particular topic, reporting bugs / checking for known issues in an application or product... Things like that, where the organization and retention of the information is a benefit.
Discord is a place for keeping up with friends, finding a group for a game, or discussing something current with people that share an interest (e.g. discussing the latest episode of X show). Slack is for keeping up with current things and chatting with team members at work, and following alerts for an application that you're supporting (because that's way better than email alerts). I recognize that there are people that use these technologies differently, but they each have their own niche that I wouldn't want to use the others for. Forums are not a great tool for instant communication or relatively "chaotic" discussion (it's a lot harder to follow the splitting chains of thought compared to breaking side conversations into threads that are still easy to follow along in a channel), and nobody wants to constantly refresh to keep up with the conversation.
I absolutely agree with you. The problem is, increasingly others are not agreeing with us. Soooo many projects that fall into this category have 100% of all information(even documentation!) related to the project ONLY available on Discord.
I'm not saying that discord servers for support are a good solution -- I think the problems with archiving and search alone should disqualify it as a support platform.
But forums have their own problems. I think it's weird that forum advocates don't seem to consider why it started to fade as a medium. Individual accounts for each forum, the need for active moderation of threads for relevancy, and practices that made for negative user experiences like rules against necroing are all valid reasons (among others) for why people moved away from forums. And I can't think of a great way to prevent the "I need help!!" thread titles besides having moderators or approvals.
Knowledge management is hard, there's a reason why library science is a master's level degree lol
Jokes on you, i never left forums.
Forums are worth holding onto because they've been reinvented to be sleeker than they were when social media, etc replaced them
Forums for niche stuff still exist and are quite active.
Go back I have been rejoining and reclaiming old accounts.
You cannot possibly expect people to sit there after they type their shit frothing in the mouth waiting for any reply or stimulation because you deprived them of the ability to send their floaty emojis and see numbers move around. Imagine that.
Notifications, up/down votes, and emojis exists even on forums. You're using one that supports them right now
I don't know how people can stand large chatrooms
Fr. I have fun on discord when it's a smallish server/fewer people are online. But I've been on a couple more massive ones, and I just can't keep up with the conversation(s) happening too quickly. Maybe it just takes getting used to, but I haven't had the chance since my phone tends to crash from it lol
How large are we talking? My company of <50 is full of adults which use Slack with restraint. We have organised conversations and no one uses memes or reaction emojis.
I can stand it, does that help you understand?
I'm talking about very large ones where it's basically just a big mind dump. A lot of people talking but not really to each other.
yeah same, if at the bare minimum the chat doesn't come to a natural stop every couple of hours then I'm not going to talk in there
Define very large, we could be agreeing but I have no idea where your cut-off is
Hundreds+. I would consider 50, like your Slack group, to be small.
You think 50 people in one instant messaging chat room is small? I would consider small to be <10.
Our scales are way off
The thread games you could play in forums were better than anything reddit clones and irc clones could muster.
wikis for knowledge, IM for socialization. forums for serious discussion? thank god i don’t have to manage this stuff i have no idea what i’m saying
I like how Discourse is becoming more and more popular for FOSS communities, but would love if it supported federation
Didn't discourse add apub integration just recently?
Anyone that make a chat tool that do not support the open federated matrix protocol, have ulterior motives. Probably to lock you and your eyeballs into their walled garden.
Discourse is a forum software, not a chat software. It is meant to be public, accessible, and indexable by search engines.
I read discord...
matrix has problems, and I prefer xmpp
Oh god yes
Search for whatever you're interested in and also the word forum
What is the recommended forum software to host these days?
Flarum and Discourse are pretty great. Both are FOSS.
You can do forums for a community on Steam.
You can do real time chatting on Steam.
You even have a huge set of emojis!
You can also do real time voice comms via Steam, even in a group setting.
You can also stream your game, or with a little bit of tomfoolerly, your desktop, or other applications, via Steam.
This all works on basically all OSs at this point, and a large part of it works on mobile as well.
Steam is also way, waaay more secure than Discord.
And you also get MySpace-esque customizable personal homepages for yourself.
From a technical standpoint... here you go here is your solution for basically all kinds of social media/online interaction.
Why do more people not recognize this or use it this way?
/Because the vast, vast majority of internet users are uninformed, highly susceptible to peer pressure , and love to build and follow social norms for superficial reasons./
When it comes to socializing on the internet, the vast, vast majority of people will /say/ they would prefer to use some kind of system that works some kind of way, and then not actually do that and instead just go with whatever most of their friends are using, or with what is wildly popular, or with whatever some niche community they are interested in is using.
If you have ever looked at much market research data, for basically anything really, but especially tech and double especially video games, you will soon realize the vast majority of people are hypocritical and inconsistent about a great many things, and seem to /think/ they care about things that their /actions/ clearly indicate they do not really actually care about.
I offer a less patronizing explanation:
Social interaction requires other people to interact with. A platform with more people can provide more social interaction. The average person does not make the choice to use larger platforms because they are uninformed or affected by peer pressure. They make that choice because the thing they value most in social media is a large userbase.
The average person does not claim to want something more out of social media. They don't care what advantages or disadvantages a platform has.
There are of course people who claim to care about these things and still continue to use more popular and worse platforms, but they are far less common than you seem to think. Also the fact they aren't changing their behavior doesn't mean they don't actually care, it just means they care more about other things.
What you have said is true, but does not make what I said false.
Maybe this is just my way of speaking, but if you say you care about something, or want some feature, and you are presented with it, and then... now it also needs to be something else, or something specific other thing that has that something else...
Then you did not /actually/ want the thing you said you wanted.
Yes, in that case, you are correct that this person wanted something /more/ than something else.
Look I think the easiest way to explain this is that if you take say large and thorough political polls of Americans, it is so very obvious and easy to see with the data that an astounding amount of people hold positions that are obviously logically contradictory to hold at the same time, that this is why /decades/ ago political campaigns have been focusing on key words and phrases that sound nice over non ambiguous and concrete policy positions, which generally are less popular than using certain phrases.
There are tons of people who think they care about something and will say they care about it a lot, but when push comes to shove, they will do something, engage in some behavior that evidences they dont /actually/ care about it when push comes to shove. That they will then qualify their position and start rationalizing extra conditions that make them for some reason exempt in this specific case.
I dunno, perhaps I am ranting pointlessly, but to me it seems utterly uncontroversial to say many people are hypocrites to some degree, or have inconsistent wants or beliefs, to me that seems pretty well evidenced by the entire field of psychology.
If only Steam mobile apps weren't so goddamn awful, you might have had a point.
One of my buds runs a mumble server and that shits great.
Am I the only one who used IRC and then Discord to moderate forums?
I miss good old days using gamefaqs and d2jsp.
+1
Except stack overflow. Fuck stack overflow.
Yes please !
they're just shitty, less functional, html versions of IRC anyways...
How? Seperated topics with answers only visible within the thread, how is that feasible in IRC?
I mean //list?
Why do attention hoes always
Talk like
This.
Period. Full stop.
I always wonder how assholes like you end up thinking they're acceptable, especially with a lot of your comments being okay.
Their user is literally "cum", I wouldn't give them the time of day lmao
what the hell are you even talking about, there's nothing even rude in my comment. I am so confused by your comment
I mean that's even more problematic as the entirety of your comment is rude, you start with "attention hoes" and then point out the way the text was written with bad intentions. I don't know what you don't understand about your comment being bad.
rude? Is it your comment or are you trying to be upset for them
I explained why your comment is rude because you were confused lol
so I ask again, rude to whom? Are you being offended on their behalf?
Because punctuating every word with the clapping emoji went out of style a decade ago but this is still in vogue