Where I live, if no one is injured or anything, car break ins, car thefts, stuff like that - police just tell you to fill out an online form and you’ll get your police report in a few days. They will not show up.
One of them has been taking shots at becoming PM a couple times, and couldn't even get that done. He's now resorted to starting (culture) wars instead.
also, it was on sale. GOTY Edition + all DLCs for, like, $15. why not?
I got more out of that game than anything else I ever pirated (except, maybe, my copies of TNG, DS9, VOY, and all 20 seasons of Law & Order), so I thought: why not pay for it? it was totally worth it!
I’m 44. also, I spent most of my life freelancing/working from home, and, through covid and for a long time afterwards, unemployed— so lots of free time.
also, I haven’t played it in about a year, although a new Mod, Fallout: London just came out, so I may just kiss a few hundred hours goodbye on that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have fallout london open in a new tab on my computer waiting for me to have time to install it and play it. I haven't been this excited for a mod in a long time
Waiting for skyblivion to be released too, that has been in the works for a while
wow, that’s value! especially considering I only paid $15 for it on sale a few years ago! I played a pirated version until recently, then eventually paid for it. it was just such an incredible game, it thought: why not?
Some mods can really bloat up the game. Tbh, even in vanilla, with all the DLCs... if you want to 100% it, it takes you quite a while. So let's assume OP is a completionist. Then add for example, Sim Settlements 2, all three chapters and Rise of the Commonwealth. That's gonna take you a while to finish, and I'm also going to guess that OP started a new game rather than an existing save every time a new mod and/or chapter was released. On top of that I imagine you'll want to do a Survival run at least once, which can take quite a while. Just to name a few things. :p
Fallout 4 is just like Skyrim. There are so many mods, there is almost no limit to how much time you spend playing it. And because there are so many mods, you'll always have new things to do.
yeah, a typical vanilla (or even DLC) playthrough is about 40-60 hours. maybe 80 if you really scour. with mods and cheats, I get an average of 200-400 hours out of a playthough.. 600 if I put a lot of wrk into it. technically, one could go on forever, but that’s about the limit I hit before it’s just boring and everything worth doing is done.
FO4, unlike any other, really allows you to build your own world in the Commonwealth. The mods are amazing.
Entertainment is not 🚫 a thing you want to master. Watching 1000 movies gets you nowhere. Reading 1000 self care and business books will get you higher than binging TV.
Lmao fam really thought they were doing something with this
Will rot your brain thoroughly. If you had spent that time instead reading 1000 pieces of actually good literature, there's plenty of stuff you could've actually learned, instead of just having people tell you that you can count your golf trips as business expenses, and "stop being depressed it's all about your growth grindset", and "please buy the next book in this course it will really tell you how to make a bunch of money" and then it's just a pyramid scheme.
You could've learned some sort shit like the vimes boot theory, which is pretty good, and is a pretty good example of something you could learn from a totally random book. You could've learned all about medieval speech and castle architecture. if you were addicted to hardcore pulp sci-fi, you could've learned about xenobiology and a bunch of different math and science that those books tend to use as the basis for their outlandish premises. If you'd read a bunch of classic french literature, you could've become a pretty good expert in that very particular field, same with watching 1000 random french movies from like the 50's or 60's. If you'd spent 10,000 hours skateboarding, instead, you'd probably be able to do a kickflip, and at that point, the world's your oyster. You've won, you might as well quit now, since you can kickflip. 10,000 hours hacky sacking and you can probably juggle almost anything with your feet, and that's pretty cool, I would think. 10,000 hours playing modded fallout 4, even though I don't like that game very much and think it sucks, 10,000 hours doing that, and you might know enough just based on the shit you have to do to be able to play the mods, to be able to do some professional tech work. You might even just know how to make your own mod, at that point, if you're interested enough in it. I know that 10,000 hours of dwarf fortress will basically have gotten you there.
It's also not just the amount of training they receive, but the content of the training. When you learn in Police academy that 1) everyone is armed and dangerous and 2) everyone is out to kill you, you tend to be more aggressive. And this is drilled into their skulls with the equivalent of a jackhammer. No wonder you get cops that are completely devoid of empathy, reason and humanity, but rather trigger happy assholes who will use violence for every single issue.
From what I understand the system is little bit more involved. In the Academy they technically teach you all the rules you need to abide by. But they drill the self and buddy defense imperative into you at every moment. This is so they can point at the training regimen whenever reformers make a stink.
But that's not the end of training for police officers. There's two more crucial steps. First you have to get through probation where it's really easy to fire you and your training officer basically controls that 100%. So it's a vibe check. Then they send you to continuing training seminars that propagandize police into a Hollywood Western mindset and teach them to not feel guilt or shame at killing people. Basically lowering the psychological barrier to shooting people.
Which for the record, isn't even a step the military takes. It's not hard to dehumanize someone threatening you. The only reason you'd need a class to do so, is if you're trying to dehumanize people before hand.
Compare that to the federal standard 3-5 years of University-like education with loads of theory and practice parts they need in my country to be a basic police(wo)man. Topics like deescalation techniques, basic communication in several languages, and psychological training are integral parts of the curriculum. And much more important than knowing how to shoot or beat up someone.
Their justification for it is such an open and obvious lie too. He might get bored and quit? Because he's too smart? Makes zero sense. On the list of jobs one might do I don't think being a cop would rank very high in the boredom rankings.
Are you judging the profession based on television? The majority of cops sit somewhere for a long ass time waiting for something to happen then when it does its mostly something boring like hauling a drunk driver in, writing a speeding ticket, or responding to a domestic violence call to either play therapist or MAYBE haul the guy off for the night knowing that nothing will happen except a tearful reunion.
On TV cops fire their guns twice in 30 minutes whereas in reality 68% NEVER fire a firearm in their career. There are almost a million officers in the US you have no doubt seen many in passing. Did it seem like on average they are out doing exciting things?
The bigger flaw in the logic is that since when do dumb people get bored less easily? If anything they get bored more easily because they're not observing potentially interesting things in mundane scenarios.
No such thing when we're talking about people making life and death decisions. In the military we were told the deadliest weapon is your brain. Once again Cops want to cosplay but not put the work in.
You'd be surprised. Unless you're in very specific parts it's a lot like the military. Boredom for 99 percent of the time and 1 percent "action". Add on to that, the second they find out you're a "smart guy" you're going into an office job where you stare at spreadsheets all day.
this comes up again and again and it's always only this one case. iq and being a good cop is not even directly related so I wish people would stop bringing this up as some sort of gotcha.
Actually IQ is correlated to problem solving which literally makes you a better everything just not obviously by itself. While this case is an extreme example of scaring off smart people there are lots of less direct ways you can discourage them from joining your ranks. Promoting idiots to positions of power and allowing them to erect dysfunctional systems that people l lower on the totem pole aren't allowed to change, punishing anyone who snitches on their fellow cops misbehavior, and promoting your idiot cronies are all pretty effect and pervasively practiced.
While I agree that police need more training and psychological evaluations... How much of this is because job training schools lobbied for needless licenses and things to be covered under those licenses? Does someone really need 1600 hours of training to cut hair?
It differs state to state but being a barber and cutting hair are not the same thing. A barber's license is one of a few different ones used to get a job cutting hair. The thing that barbers generally do that others don't is provide a shave. Use of a straight razor along with health and safety is part of the training.
For context a full time bachelors student is pulling about 600 hours in one 15 week semester.
You can absolutely use a safety razor. Best haircut place I ever went to for my military cuts did so. If it's a scissors and buzzers cut, anything over 40 hours is just exploitation.
It makes sense to have a separate license since those signs ran on stupid high voltage. I had a friend nearly stop his heart messing around with a neon sign transformer (he knew how dangerous it was, he just didn't care)
Actually you might be surprised how much building code interior designers have to know.
For example, in California permanently installed kitchen islands are required to have electrical outlets on either side. You gotta know that to design the kitchen in a way that won't get your clients in trouble.
You might not be able to train the shitty out of a turd, but you can raise the cost of entry and weed out some dingleberries. If the required effort is higher and the time commitment greater, it might deter some folks.
You can't train the shitty out of someone? You can have them supervised for a lot longer and if they have the pattern they fail. That is the exact purpose of pointing out the difference.
Well obviously. You have to live with a bad haircut for at least a few weeks, what could a police officer do that would affect your life as much as that?
To become an American police officer.
Other countries have somewhat higher requirements
Norway - 4500 hours
Finland - 4500 hours
India - 4000 hours
Germany - 4000 hours
Australia - 3500 hours
Spain - 2880 hours
United Kingdom - 2250 hours (plus if they want to carry a gun significant additional hours)
Canada - 2080 hours
New Zealand - 1924 hours
Australian here. Our police are still shit after 3500hrs just FYI.
Have they shot anyone randomly lately?
No, they dont seem to even show up to crimes that are actively being committed.
Have you tried being filthy rich?
I have tried very hard it did not work.
Being filthy rich or having the police show up?
Where I live, if no one is injured or anything, car break ins, car thefts, stuff like that - police just tell you to fill out an online form and you’ll get your police report in a few days. They will not show up.
Honestly, for non violent stuff that's already done, that's a pretty good system. Having the police show up at that point is just a security blanket.
One of them has been taking shots at becoming PM a couple times, and couldn't even get that done. He's now resorted to starting (culture) wars instead.
thank you i was looking for this.
the many hours of training do make a difference in quality of work. i feel like german and american policeforce are barely compareable
i've played over 12,000 hours of Fallout 4.
I'll take my PhD now, thx
Fallout 4 was released 2,985 days ago.
12,000/2,985 = an average of 4 hours a day, every day, no days off.
Probably the best value purchase you'll make in your life.
that’s why, after around 10k hours, I finally paid for it, lol.
Lol jesus
also, it was on sale. GOTY Edition + all DLCs for, like, $15. why not?
I got more out of that game than anything else I ever pirated (except, maybe, my copies of TNG, DS9, VOY, and all 20 seasons of Law & Order), so I thought: why not pay for it? it was totally worth it!
Dawg how old are you that you've consumed that much content in your life lmao
I’m 44. also, I spent most of my life freelancing/working from home, and, through covid and for a long time afterwards, unemployed— so lots of free time.
also, I haven’t played it in about a year, although a new Mod, Fallout: London just came out, so I may just kiss a few hundred hours goodbye on that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12000/(2985-365) = 4.58 hours per day!
I have fallout london open in a new tab on my computer waiting for me to have time to install it and play it. I haven't been this excited for a mod in a long time
Waiting for skyblivion to be released too, that has been in the works for a while
Isn't London coming out in a few months?
That's what I did with Far Cry 3, but couldn't get the stupid launcher to work on linux, so ended up pirating it again.Great work Ubisoft!
Can I get that in $/hour ?
Hmm, what did it cost at launch? Probably $60?
6,000 cents / 12,000 hours = 0.5 cents per hour.
wow, that’s value! especially considering I only paid $15 for it on sale a few years ago! I played a pirated version until recently, then eventually paid for it. it was just such an incredible game, it thought: why not?
0.125 cents per hour! A thousand times better value than a movie!
Lots of Netflix hours on that one, I'd bet.
Here is your theoretical Doctorate of Science.
Thank you, Professor, I humbly accept.
EABethesda only counts microtransactions when advancing your degreeMicrosoft doesn't own EA... yet.
Please tell me you accidentally added an extra 0 when you weren’t meant to…
well… not as a typo…
covid was rough.
What is there even to do in Fallout 4 to justify even 1,200 hours, much less 12,000?
settlements. between the mods and cheats, you can go pretty fucking crazy.
and, oh, boy, did i. I’ve pretty much rebuilt the entire commonwealth several times over.
Some mods can really bloat up the game. Tbh, even in vanilla, with all the DLCs... if you want to 100% it, it takes you quite a while. So let's assume OP is a completionist. Then add for example, Sim Settlements 2, all three chapters and Rise of the Commonwealth. That's gonna take you a while to finish, and I'm also going to guess that OP started a new game rather than an existing save every time a new mod and/or chapter was released. On top of that I imagine you'll want to do a Survival run at least once, which can take quite a while. Just to name a few things. :p
Fallout 4 is just like Skyrim. There are so many mods, there is almost no limit to how much time you spend playing it. And because there are so many mods, you'll always have new things to do.
yeah, a typical vanilla (or even DLC) playthrough is about 40-60 hours. maybe 80 if you really scour. with mods and cheats, I get an average of 200-400 hours out of a playthough.. 600 if I put a lot of wrk into it. technically, one could go on forever, but that’s about the limit I hit before it’s just boring and everything worth doing is done.
FO4, unlike any other, really allows you to build your own world in the Commonwealth. The mods are amazing.
Or you could spend 12k hours enjoying your life and not worrying what others consider "productive"
Good for you then. I’ll get right on baking your tray of cookies.
I bet they're tons of fun at parties. We should have one and invite vsh.
Speaking of coffins, you sound like the type that would be happier in one. Give it a try.
Lmao fam really thought they were doing something with this
No thanks. I enjoy my rest and relaxation.
Will rot your brain thoroughly. If you had spent that time instead reading 1000 pieces of actually good literature, there's plenty of stuff you could've actually learned, instead of just having people tell you that you can count your golf trips as business expenses, and "stop being depressed it's all about your growth grindset", and "please buy the next book in this course it will really tell you how to make a bunch of money" and then it's just a pyramid scheme.
You could've learned some sort shit like the vimes boot theory, which is pretty good, and is a pretty good example of something you could learn from a totally random book. You could've learned all about medieval speech and castle architecture. if you were addicted to hardcore pulp sci-fi, you could've learned about xenobiology and a bunch of different math and science that those books tend to use as the basis for their outlandish premises. If you'd read a bunch of classic french literature, you could've become a pretty good expert in that very particular field, same with watching 1000 random french movies from like the 50's or 60's. If you'd spent 10,000 hours skateboarding, instead, you'd probably be able to do a kickflip, and at that point, the world's your oyster. You've won, you might as well quit now, since you can kickflip. 10,000 hours hacky sacking and you can probably juggle almost anything with your feet, and that's pretty cool, I would think. 10,000 hours playing modded fallout 4, even though I don't like that game very much and think it sucks, 10,000 hours doing that, and you might know enough just based on the shit you have to do to be able to play the mods, to be able to do some professional tech work. You might even just know how to make your own mod, at that point, if you're interested enough in it. I know that 10,000 hours of dwarf fortress will basically have gotten you there.
Bro's like "oh nah you should go read some books, that's a better use of your time" and then is also like "that's too long I can't read that shit".
Trolling used to be impressive, you know?
I speak 7 languages and have an MfA in Design and Technology from Parsons. I also know several programming languages.go judge someone else.edit: I’m happy, and that’s what matters. I’m sorry you’re not.
you should probably take your own advice rather than getting so twisted up about how random strangers live their lives.
wow, I feel sorry for you that my talking about my gaming habits triggered this level of insecurity in you. I suggest you talk to someone about that.
I hope you feel better.
Siskel and Ebert: And we decided to take that personally.
It's also not just the amount of training they receive, but the content of the training. When you learn in Police academy that 1) everyone is armed and dangerous and 2) everyone is out to kill you, you tend to be more aggressive. And this is drilled into their skulls with the equivalent of a jackhammer. No wonder you get cops that are completely devoid of empathy, reason and humanity, but rather trigger happy assholes who will use violence for every single issue.
From what I understand the system is little bit more involved. In the Academy they technically teach you all the rules you need to abide by. But they drill the self and buddy defense imperative into you at every moment. This is so they can point at the training regimen whenever reformers make a stink.
But that's not the end of training for police officers. There's two more crucial steps. First you have to get through probation where it's really easy to fire you and your training officer basically controls that 100%. So it's a vibe check. Then they send you to continuing training seminars that propagandize police into a Hollywood Western mindset and teach them to not feel guilt or shame at killing people. Basically lowering the psychological barrier to shooting people.
Which for the record, isn't even a step the military takes. It's not hard to dehumanize someone threatening you. The only reason you'd need a class to do so, is if you're trying to dehumanize people before hand.
Compare that to the federal standard 3-5 years of University-like education with loads of theory and practice parts they need in my country to be a basic police(wo)man. Topics like deescalation techniques, basic communication in several languages, and psychological training are integral parts of the curriculum. And much more important than knowing how to shoot or beat up someone.
Which country is that?
Germany.
Nice! I'll be visiting there next month.
For anyone wondering that's going to be around 5700 hours of studying/training/lecture.
This indeed produces a different breed of police(wo)men. And that is just the basic policing education.
Not only that, cops fought for... and WON... the right to not hire people who are too smart:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/
Their justification for it is such an open and obvious lie too. He might get bored and quit? Because he's too smart? Makes zero sense. On the list of jobs one might do I don't think being a cop would rank very high in the boredom rankings.
Are you judging the profession based on television? The majority of cops sit somewhere for a long ass time waiting for something to happen then when it does its mostly something boring like hauling a drunk driver in, writing a speeding ticket, or responding to a domestic violence call to either play therapist or MAYBE haul the guy off for the night knowing that nothing will happen except a tearful reunion.
On TV cops fire their guns twice in 30 minutes whereas in reality 68% NEVER fire a firearm in their career. There are almost a million officers in the US you have no doubt seen many in passing. Did it seem like on average they are out doing exciting things?
The bigger flaw in the logic is that since when do dumb people get bored less easily? If anything they get bored more easily because they're not observing potentially interesting things in mundane scenarios.
do you not understand the concept of "overqualified"
No such thing when we're talking about people making life and death decisions. In the military we were told the deadliest weapon is your brain. Once again Cops want to cosplay but not put the work in.
You'd be surprised. Unless you're in very specific parts it's a lot like the military. Boredom for 99 percent of the time and 1 percent "action". Add on to that, the second they find out you're a "smart guy" you're going into an office job where you stare at spreadsheets all day.
this comes up again and again and it's always only this one case. iq and being a good cop is not even directly related so I wish people would stop bringing this up as some sort of gotcha.
Actually IQ is correlated to problem solving which literally makes you a better everything just not obviously by itself. While this case is an extreme example of scaring off smart people there are lots of less direct ways you can discourage them from joining your ranks. Promoting idiots to positions of power and allowing them to erect dysfunctional systems that people l lower on the totem pole aren't allowed to change, punishing anyone who snitches on their fellow cops misbehavior, and promoting your idiot cronies are all pretty effect and pervasively practiced.
just because your IQ isn't 125 doesn't mean you're an "idiot".
what are the less direct ways?
Did you need to re-read the post?
Are you saying that you don't have an issue with stupid/dumb cops?
I don't, I have a problem with bad cops.
While I agree that police need more training and psychological evaluations... How much of this is because job training schools lobbied for needless licenses and things to be covered under those licenses? Does someone really need 1600 hours of training to cut hair?
It differs state to state but being a barber and cutting hair are not the same thing. A barber's license is one of a few different ones used to get a job cutting hair. The thing that barbers generally do that others don't is provide a shave. Use of a straight razor along with health and safety is part of the training.
For context a full time bachelors student is pulling about 600 hours in one 15 week semester.
You can absolutely use a safety razor. Best haircut place I ever went to for my military cuts did so. If it's a scissors and buzzers cut, anything over 40 hours is just exploitation.
Yes - the system is fucked pretty thoroughly.
Louisiana police require training?
Barely.
I spent more hours playing Skyrim and Warframe.
I could have become a cop 6 times in Louisiana for the times I played Borderlands 2.
the time i wasted playing TF2 alone could have made me a cop in 5 states.
If you had STUDIED instead you would now legally be able to beat your wife kill minorities and watch kids die because it's too scawy!
How could you leave shooting dogs off that list?
Because too far. Your words were printed on a screen that's within a square mile of my dog. That's too close man.
Can I just say that this is the most interesting table layout I’ve seen? The column headers (state names) are the center column?!
What is an electric sign specialist?
It seems to be as straightforward as it sounds. It's a narrowly focused electrician license for working on signs that use electricity.
https://www.contractorcampus.com/michigan-sign-specialist-contractor-license.html
It makes sense to have a separate license since those signs ran on stupid high voltage. I had a friend nearly stop his heart messing around with a neon sign transformer (he knew how dangerous it was, he just didn't care)
another reason a lot of those are being changed out for low-power LED drivers
Am I the terraria police?
You're the Terraria electric signage specialist.
I won't bring up the /played on my WoW account 😬
Right, I had more days played than the requirement of hours for some of those states, and I haven't logged in since legion
Hearts of Iron...
Blood. And thunder.
"Hey you, you wanna buy some deathsticks?"
"Do you even lift bro?"
Wtf? Why does an interior designer need training?
Isn’t it just like picking colors and furniture?
Usually, but in Florida you have to follow very specific rules so no one realizes you’re gay.
Place the colours of the rainbow on too many walls? Believe it or not, straight to jail
Actually you might be surprised how much building code interior designers have to know.
For example, in California permanently installed kitchen islands are required to have electrical outlets on either side. You gotta know that to design the kitchen in a way that won't get your clients in trouble.
So people don’t trip on cords connected to the walls?
But that actually comes into effect when your contractors start pulling prints and applying for permits.
Maybe this is a case of interior designer and interior decorators being different things
Right, like the difference between a landscaper and a landscape architect.
You might not be able to train the shitty out of a turd, but you can raise the cost of entry and weed out some dingleberries. If the required effort is higher and the time commitment greater, it might deter some folks.
And that's the exact reason why barbers and cosmetologists require that much training. Because it works.
Regulatory capture
You can't train the shitty out of someone? You can have them supervised for a lot longer and if they have the pattern they fail. That is the exact purpose of pointing out the difference.
If any cop is as good at their work as I am on Slay the spire they'd do their job properly, shitty person or not!
Well obviously. You have to live with a bad haircut for at least a few weeks, what could a police officer do that would affect your life as much as that?
Somehow Florida made it highest in this list. Let that sink in...
Dude fuck it I'm just gonna sign up.
Best of luck on becoming an electrical sign specialist!
I'm somewhere between FL interior designer and MI electrical sign specialist on Destiny 2.
So I agree with a bunch of the sections on one of the columns and guess which one it is.
The middle one
I'm cool with the standards for barbers, sign technicians, and manicurists.
Yeah I figured. I was just making a cheesy joke
So I could be the dictator of a civilization?
Had more hours running from cops and doing mayhem in GTA. Never hurt any dog.
In fact, got Chopper laid a couple of times.
TIL Michigan's state outline looks like a floating hand patting a baby T-rex's head
At long last, the upper peninsula is recognized as the hand!
I have more hours in Payday 2 shooting cops than they took to train…nice
Damn, I’d be like a ranked officer if I’d transfer all my Cities Skylines hours!
Til barbers have required training
Interior design is a regulated profession?
And you are officially less of a harm and more productive for society. Thank you for your service.