"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.
Not gonna lie, that's pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it's actually Russia that detonated some charges.
I think that's a pattern we'll start seeing more and more.
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
Don't underestimate Russias stupidity and sheer incompetence, they probably think the brainwashed masses in russia will believe them. We need a hard line to stop it, but, if russia wants their face kicked in by NATO for real, who am I to deny them. I hope for a crater where the Kremlin stands.
I don't think most of them believe the government media, they just go along with it. And the ones that are against it are already dead/in gulags/sent to Ukraine. That's what totalitarian states do.
Yes, but also "We need a status quo cease fire, clearly things are getting dangerous for everybody, let's all sit down at the bargaining table right now. Of course, in the meantime we keep our current territory and that is the starting point for negotiation, not any territory you might get in the next few months."
It's calling timeout, no tag backs when you're losing in tag. Or as putin calls it "escalate to de-escalate".
Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren't afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.
Though according to the article:
Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.
“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."
I'm guilty of this as well, but perhaps it's time to acknowledge that people can have differing opinions and be vocal about them without being bots or trolls.
I'm sorry for having behaved rude just because some people have a different take on this war. I mean, unless they're as obvious as the government sponsored bullshit on Twitter where 3 accounts write the same crap in the same thread. 🌚
You do realise it was Russia who's been shelling the ZNPP, and it was the Ukrainian staff keeping the plant safe?
So, No. Russia hasn't asked for monitoring. It was the IAEE itself.
" The ZNPP has been controlled by Russian forces since early March. Over the past seven months, its Ukrainian operating staff have worked to prevent a nuclear accident during the current military conflict, in extremely difficult conditions with frequent shelling at the plant or near it."
Also the IAEE STILL hasn't been granted full access by plant which has been under Russian military control.
" The IAEA experts have requested additional access that is necessary to confirm the absence of mines or explosives. In particular, access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 is essential, as well as access to parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system at the plant."
VIENNA, July 5 (Reuters) - Experts from the U.N. nuclear watchdog based at the Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine have yet to observe any indications of mines or explosives at the plant, but they need more access to be sure
Lol. You honestly think NATO countries wouldn't check the story before comitting to an open conflict they don't want to be in? That the people in all of Europe wouldn't want to know who actually blew up the plant and spewed radioactivity over their lands? That everyone's just gonna be fine shelling out ANOTHER couple of billions to clean up Chernobyl 2.0?
If this ever actually happens (Big IF) anyone who lies about it is gonna be completely fucked when the truth inevitably comes out.
So we're just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they're getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.
That's simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven't been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia's borders. It's almost like nobody knows why the "Cuban" Missile Crisis started.
If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we'd all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we're taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.
We can only hope this story is "just" WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don't win this time.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how?
The plant is located near the front lines, along a probable route to the Sea of Azov. Blowing it up creates an obstacle, making advances and supplies more difficult.
When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.
That's a stretch. Like Germany was winning WW2 until it was kicked out of France.
True, it's probably the best Russia can achieve but far from their goals. And they've been losing ground steadily now.
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
Not gonna lie, that's pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it's actually Russia that detonated some charges.
I think that's a pattern we'll start seeing more and more.
EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.
And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.
This is how factual discussion with liberals is.
So, you said something dumb, and it's everyone else's fault? 🤣
Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-
What the fuck is this comment section?!
Russian copium brigade out for a special typing operation
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
Just see this comment section. "Ukranian artillery did it!"
"turns out the ukranians actually liked chernobyl, so much so that they're probably planning on doing it again!"
Don't underestimate Russias stupidity and sheer incompetence, they probably think the brainwashed masses in russia will believe them. We need a hard line to stop it, but, if russia wants their face kicked in by NATO for real, who am I to deny them. I hope for a crater where the Kremlin stands.
I don't think most of them believe the government media, they just go along with it. And the ones that are against it are already dead/in gulags/sent to Ukraine. That's what totalitarian states do.
Yes, but also "We need a status quo cease fire, clearly things are getting dangerous for everybody, let's all sit down at the bargaining table right now. Of course, in the meantime we keep our current territory and that is the starting point for negotiation, not any territory you might get in the next few months."
It's calling timeout, no tag backs when you're losing in tag. Or as putin calls it "escalate to de-escalate".
Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren't afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.
Though according to the article: Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.
“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."
We've been seeing for well over a year that the only threat to Zaporizhzhia is Russia. Just more shitty orc behavior.
These comments.... I wasn't expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.
I mean, lemmy does have a sizable tankie population at lemmygrad
I'm guilty of this as well, but perhaps it's time to acknowledge that people can have differing opinions and be vocal about them without being bots or trolls.
I'm sorry for having behaved rude just because some people have a different take on this war. I mean, unless they're as obvious as the government sponsored bullshit on Twitter where 3 accounts write the same crap in the same thread. 🌚
I'm also in no way a Putin fan.
Posts like this are useful as you can easily find trolls and bots to instantly block.
Has anyone seen the movie Universal Soldier?
yeah sure.
Do you need some more aluminum foil? I think your hat needs a few more layers.
You do realise it was Russia who's been shelling the ZNPP, and it was the Ukrainian staff keeping the plant safe?
So, No. Russia hasn't asked for monitoring. It was the IAEE itself.
" The ZNPP has been controlled by Russian forces since early March. Over the past seven months, its Ukrainian operating staff have worked to prevent a nuclear accident during the current military conflict, in extremely difficult conditions with frequent shelling at the plant or near it."
Also the IAEE STILL hasn't been granted full access by plant which has been under Russian military control.
" The IAEA experts have requested additional access that is necessary to confirm the absence of mines or explosives. In particular, access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 is essential, as well as access to parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system at the plant."
From your link:
Russo bot
Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.
Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it's more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don't forget that.
Lol. You honestly think NATO countries wouldn't check the story before comitting to an open conflict they don't want to be in? That the people in all of Europe wouldn't want to know who actually blew up the plant and spewed radioactivity over their lands? That everyone's just gonna be fine shelling out ANOTHER couple of billions to clean up Chernobyl 2.0?
If this ever actually happens (Big IF) anyone who lies about it is gonna be completely fucked when the truth inevitably comes out.
Noone benefits from this.
NATO benefits the most in not getting directly involved. Don't forget that.
Which way is the wind blowing?
We need a more trustworthy source. After Zelensky destroyed his own dam I don't believe a word he says.
Hopefully this just ends up being another nothingburger like last time there was talk about a Ukrainian dirty bomb several months ago.
You mean like when Ukraine claimed Russia put explosives on that dam that now is gone?
No I mean when there was talk about a dirty bomb several months ago. The dam wasn't a nothingburger, hence why I didn't reference it??
The reference is not all warnings are nothingburgers
Well, well, well. It looks like it was indeed a nothingburger. That's a relief.
NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.
And thanks to blocklists we won't have to see you ever again :)
So we're just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they're getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.
That's a false dichotomy. Russia has been threatening to use nukes all the time. Threatening to blow up a reactor is just more of the same.
That's simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven't been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia's borders. It's almost like nobody knows why the "Cuban" Missile Crisis started.
If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we'd all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we're taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.
We can only hope this story is "just" WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don't win this time.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
Right, but they are not, they are
barely holdinglosing ground.And causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how? PS: When you hold part of your opponents country that means you're winning.
The plant is located near the front lines, along a probable route to the Sea of Azov. Blowing it up creates an obstacle, making advances and supplies more difficult.
That's a stretch. Like Germany was winning WW2 until it was kicked out of France.
True, it's probably the best Russia can achieve but far from their goals. And they've been losing ground steadily now.
They have a child-like mentality. If they can't have it, then blow it up. Now no one gets it.
Please explain your argument, I do not think it makes any sense but instead dangerously misjudges the Russian government/military.
Assuming they have a child-like mentality: