To be fair, when you're at that age and come into contact with dozens of "adults" that never mentally grew past 12, you're bound to think you're "very smart".
There’s a reason second-year students are called sophomores. It’s a compound with the same roots as “sophisticated” and “moron”. It literally means “learned idiot”. It’s referring to the students who have a year of schooling under their belt, and think that they understand everything about the world. It’s basically referring to the Dunning-Krueger Effect, where people who know very little about something are the most likely to overestimate their knowledge on the topic.
This is still I think the most telling glimpse into who the "ZUCK" really is. Looking at what meta has become, how it has operated... No matter how professional and respectable he acts.
I don't it's a fair assessment - dude was just a kid.
I've watched some podcasts and interviews and I think he's a much more complex of a person. I do genuinely think he's thinks he's doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
Even if you hate Facebook it brought people together in so many places, especially if you consider developing world.
Doing good does not absolve you of having done evil.
Zuck has utterly failed in preventing facebook from doing clear, preventable, harm.
I don't get to walk free, no matter how many homeless people I feed, if I kill one.
The same should go for corporations. If they do evil, once, they should done. Not fined. There is no math which makes the bad that facebook does, necessary to achieve the good it does.
Why are you assuming the legal framework for ending corporations couldn't have mechanisms to prevent that?
For example, offending corporations could be broken up, and have their assets sold to their competitors. The resulting money used as severance for the employees, who didn't necessarily do anything wrong.
A company can't just "start back up" if you take all their capital. And no-one would re-invest in people known for taking legal risks that might make that investment go "poof".
And 99% of corporations wouldn't be evil if it wasn't fucking legal, and basically required to compete!
I don't think it's even legal to give away a company's assets without their consent, be they criminal or not.
And anyway, that's easy to get around that too. Full of companies that already """go bankrupt""" to avoid paying their due and then reopen with money magically appearing from "somewhere". In the end to me it just seems the more rules/laws you add, the more the average person will suffer because of it while not really causing any for assholes.
"This thing would be illegal" is a pretty shit argument when changing the law is on the table.
And I see you're a fan "anti-regulation" ideals. Did it occur to you that this system could entirely replace a shitload of micro-managing bs current regulation? And did you miss the part where re-investment in criminals wouldn't be a thing it was that expensive? The only reason it happens right now is because it technically legal, and cheap.
It's kind of a gray area though. Do you just jail the CEO if a company does evil? What if it was someone else inside the company and the CEO didn't know? And conversely, what if the CEO knew and is trying to pass off like they didn't, how do you prove it? It turns into slippery slopes pretty fast.
My personal solution would be just to actually scale up the fines. If someone gets fined for something they profited from, it's extremely stupid for the fine to be less than their profit. You're basically telling them to do it again.
I mean, aren't CEOs massive pay justified because they supposedly take on ultimate responsibility for the company?
If a company does something criminal under their watch, then even if they didn't give the orders they have been criminally negligent - surely?
Now, mind, I don't think that they should necessarily be the person punished most - the person's down the chain more responsible should serve more time. But the person at the top shouldn't get away free.
Regardless though I agree - fines with teeth are the most important thing.
I mean, aren't CEOs massive pay justified because they supposedly take on ultimate responsibility for the company?
If a company does something criminal under their watch, then even if they didn't give the orders they have been criminally negligent - surely?
Now, mind, I don't think that they should necessarily be the person punished most - the person's down the chain more responsible should serve more time. But the person at the top shouldn't get away free.
Regardless though I agree - fines with teeth are the most important thing.
Facebook actively promotes things that will make you scared and angry, because those are the emotions that drive the most engagement and get the most clicks.
I do genuinely think he’s thinks he’s doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
The problem I see is that you've bought into his lie. He might "sound" genuine in thinking he's done good, much like Bill Gates sounds genuine when he talks about his philantropic shenanigans. It's all an act.
The only net benefit I see off FB/Meta is that it taught us how dangerous and shitty a centralized internet is.
This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!
But why? Isn't the whole point of federation that we can interact with people in other communities? Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub? Completely walling them off seems counterproductive
Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
Don’t we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
I certainly don't. I abandoned Facebook years ago because of how BS they were getting with privacy concerns and social manipulation. Last thing I want is to bring those dumpster fires here. They join the platform, I will migrate to whichever Instances defed them or leave Lemmy entirely if necessary.
Simply put, it's been a breathe of rational, civil air here. While it is early days keeping that hostile-to-humanity crap out of here is obvious minimum we should be doing.
Were talking about meta here, this is a bait and switch attempt (I see it that way)
They launch their new twitter competitor, everyone moves over to their new twitter clone, they will try and hold the power on standarts of federation (like any big tech corporation that has a smaller rival that succedes more then them, see microsoft vs netscape for refrence)
If they will fail with that, they will try to seduce lemmy and mastodon instaces with monetization and big money handouts, were talking about facebook here after all, they are not short of scummy tactics
If they can embrace and extend the fediverse you know they're gonna extinguish it, too. They're s bad faith actor, we don't want them interacting with us or influencing us.
Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
I'm don't know how the federation protocol works exactly, but I'm pretty sure Meta can throw more resources into it than all the independent instances combined. Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of the fediverse so I don't know if that applies here, but generally once you control more than 50% of something that does not have a central authority - you became, de facto, that central authority.
We want individuals to adopt ActivityPub. Whether that be in the form of hosting new instances or contributing content. We don't want corporations here trying to turn it into something they can use to make a profit. Once it becomes about the money it is on a death spiral like everything else before it.
Honestly, anyone who willingly uses any Facebook product at this point in time deserves to have their every morsel of data stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
I believe he actually genuinely does. Want it all. Eventually. Hence the heavy pivot into VR and AR years before its actually practical.
Nobody can dethrone google as the gateway guardians to the internet or apple as the almighty hardware lords, but you can beat them to the next thing, whatever that is.
If you want to be the worlds most powerful company, you gotta aim high.
Both of those companies plateaud years ago and have been riding on hype ever since. Neither has done much of any consequence in 5 years or more. They used to at least have a decent product to offer but they, like every other company, have been cutting so many corners in the endless pursuit of growth that the innovation and utility they once provided is quickly disappearing.
Yep. That's because innovation is secondary to marketing and market control once you're already on top.
Innovation comes with risks, that shits for peasants. When you're already on top you have access to better tools. Zuck has to innovate something just because he wants to grow. Or buy someone else's innovation, that works too.
Hey, iPhones are still pretty dang good phones. The issue is that, even assuming they're the best phones on the market, their pricing is still ridiculous.
The user interface to display what is granted by using the app is... so sanitary. It disguises the ultimate goal of these insidious apps in such a clean and sterile list that it really seems innocuous. I wish that A$pple would start to display an intensity of how much data is collected by these apps. Green for good, red for bad, gradient for in-between. Or something... I suppose that accessibility for colorblind is important oto. Then it would be a bit more obvious to users when an app is really out to get them vs trying to improve performance.
They're not permissions, they're the types of data that may be collected. Every popular closed source app has a similar obscene list of private data they may collect, but in most cases it's the user that chooses to provide that kind of information voluntarily anyways.
I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.
I tried something similar for a while. I had an OpenVPN server set up at home and would connect with my phone, so all my phone's traffic was behind the same protections as my home network. The main issue I experienced was when going through areas without cell service (which happens frequently where I live). I would have to restart my VPN client in addition to any apps that required internet connectivity. Not the safest prospect when you're streaming music and doing 70mph down the highway.
At this point, I don't have anything to protect my phone's traffic when I'm away from home. However, essentially every app on my phone is a FOSS package, so I think the biggest risk to data privacy is probably Google.
I'm using AdGuard. It does cost me about US$30 a year, but it's worth it to me. In the last week, it's stopped an estimated 192,085 ads and trackers saving me an estimated 2.1 GB of data.
It does occasionally block things that I don't want blocked, but it's easy to fix: you can either temporarily disable protection by tapping the notification in your, well, notifications, or you can use its Assistant feature to quickly find the thing that shouldn't have been blocked in the log and add an exception.
I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.
Seriously. Why does the Oculus app have to run in the background always using 2-3% of my cpu? They say it's to automatically start up when you connect the Rift but that should take like 0 resources. Can't even turn it off in startup options. You have to go into system tray or something to stop it. Facebook is just a spyware company and we all know it.
The Oculus desktop app is a bloated mess. I wish it was just a tray tool that provided what's necessary to connect Oculus Link and use PCVR apps. Instead it pops up a bloody window every time with zombies and what not and does not even allow you to minimize it to the tray.
Because they are desperate. Facebook has NEVER had any good original product ideas. Ever. Everything they've ever done was brought/stolen from somebody else, including Facebook. All the good things Facebook did are their open source stuff like React and GraphQL, which they don't really make money off.
So now, they are running out of ideas to steal/buy, they probably wanted to buy TikTok with Trump's help, but that failed, and they started a TikTok clone in Instagram Reels, that also failed, so they are trying to start a Twitter clone. No original ideas, EVER. It's as simple as that.
Is it safe to say that reels has failed? It definitely didn't eat tiktoks lunch but I've used reels loads without ever using TikTok. I think it largely an age/demographic thing.
Instagram is the only real brand they have left that's not bleeding users quickly (I don't know how they can make more money off Whatsapp), so that's why they are branding everything with Instagram now.
Reels was forced on Instagram users, I don't think they are getting any audience who got Instagram just to use reels.
It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.
But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.
Nothing. As is the case with most social media companies, you are the product. And they do that by spying on you. Same with many other "free" services like, YouTube, email, maps, etc.
well that's make my cybersecurity lesson about spyware irrelevant in this environment, because every Free services are leeches for our information. but the justification for including spyware is where the data is going, and yet again very irrelevant.
Yeah, the data is used to create profiles of you to serve more relevant ads, so that advertisers pay them more. Thats more accurate once I think about it a little.
I mean they already have a bunch of it. You know those social media buttons that could be embedded on a website. Their purpose wasn't to like or share. It was to track you by phoning home.
Tracking people, in the minds of those doing it, has very little to do with someone's geographical location or which ISP they're using (and in the U.S. they know that anyway even if you use a VPN because each wireless provider throws enough fingerprints onto each model of phone to give out that info with minimal permissions).
They're not tracking you so they can see which path you take to get from your living room to the ice cream shop and back, they're tracking you so they know what you're doing online and in whatever rooms you're in, regardless of where they are.
Whether you're on a VPN or using Incognito mode, any site you visit that does any amount of cookie use, visit tracking, session state management, etc, gets data about someone that they can then compare to their existing datasets and then potentially match up with previous data about you.
The absolute proliferation of javascript on the web almost guarantees that every single time you load a webpage, something, somewhere, is loading nigh-invisibly locally on your device that's feeding one kind of information or another back to a webserver about your current browsing experience on the tab you're in right that instant. This is in stark contrast to decades ago where server-side code which renders everything on the back end and delivers it as mostly HTML to your browser was the primary way to handle things. (because as indicated by the fact that many pages take a while to load, javascript is limited by the local processing power of YOUR device. Not theirs.)
Try and browse the web with NoScript or something like it loaded and you'll see what I mean pretty quickly.
VPNs and Incognito mode have their uses, but they are not doing much to stop you from being tracked in the manner that these things are designed to "track" you.
If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.
I doubt it. Most of the time when I point out to someone just how much data they're giving up the response is just "so what if a chinese person knows about me"
Privacy for its own sake has lost value with the younger generations. What we really need to do is educate on the consequences and dangers of the lack of privacy.
New gen here(19). Care about privacy, while most people i know doesn't.
It does not depends on gen. It's just most people of any gen, if they get comfortable with service they would not care if it's gonna take every piece of info they have.
One thing I'm not clear on is how so many people don't care about privacy while mobile operating systems have made permissions labels and privacy controls an important part of the design.
Perhaps it's for the minority of users who are more discerning? Maybe it gives the OS developers something to do?
Potential hot take-- am in my 30s so I dont know if I qualify in your younger generation denotation or not.
I was raised with the thought process of 'act as if you are always on camera' to get me to act right.
As I aged, it was amended to 'act as if you are always on camera... because you are.'
Both statements were and remain to be correct. That said, I think there is something to be said about the expectation (or lack thereof) of privacy that the younger generations were raised either in or to know.
I don't think that privacy has lost value through its own or the younger generation's volitions. I think it lost value through... everybody always being watched in one way or another.
That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.
Are people really going to sign up for another Meta site? I'm sure as shit not. I finally deleted my Facebook account a couple weeks back, and I'm feelin' free!
I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?
Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.
I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?
This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.
Their justification will be some hokey crap that they can tell whether your active from your movement, which they can detect using the health/fitness via step counts etc.
Not defending this, but isn't this basically also what Instagram (and every other mainstream social media app) takes? Doesn't make it right obviously but considering 99% of users for this thing are coming from Instagram/Facebook in the first place Meta already knows everything about them anyway.
On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?
I don't think these are permissions, just a list of collected data categories. Google Play's equivalent is the "Data Safety" section and lists the data collected, shared with third parties, and security practices in use. Basically just a more readable privacy policy, but agreeing to that by installing the app does not grant the app with the equivalent permissions automatically.
"Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data"
When Instagram replacement on Fediverse? Fediverse also needs youtube replacement. Lets go all the way and hit these greedy mfers where it hurts. Unfortunetly my dev skills are poor, but I can offer moral support.
Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.
Dude I have a step counting app that doesn't even need that shit. It just goes off the gyro. Definitely have no reason to be giving a social media app access to that shit.
They're the same as for Facebook and Instagram and since this one is perhaps most geared towards existing Instagram users, there won't be much more data given because you've probably already done it.
Because this information is very valuable to advertisers who want to target to customer base. If Meta sells them the users who happen to be X, Y, and Z and also happen to be searching recently for a similar product, Boom they’ve got themselves a likely customer. Much easier than advertising to the masses and hoping 0.1% will bite.
It’s all about discreet money making. The advertisers and Meta only care about how to make money off you.
It doesn’t mean everything, it just means everything not listed. I honestly didn’t know there where that many categories. This is why I deny every permission they ask for. If it fails to run in the dumpster it goes
Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain why their platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited resources to build a decent product Meta et al still can't figure out a way to justify their existence without quantifying and selling their users' private behaviors
To this day I have refused to download messenger for mobile since "needing it" is totally bullshit since you can just hit "view desktop site" in Chrome mobile. Won't ever get this bs either.
I was somewhat optimistic about this app given that they were embracing federation, felt like an important milestone like when AOL had to stick a full featured web browser in their app. But this is just gross. Don't want to be a data slut for Zuck.
Any big major for profit company embracing federation is purely for their own revenue generating goals and have no explicit want to be actually good stewards of the Internet, its communities, and about their participation.
Participating in Federation is another way for Meta to suck up as much data as it can to sell its advertising services.
Almost every app is tracking these things. Get an app tracker blocker and it really opens your eyes. You don't even have to agree to it, they'll still track you.
Modern billionaires developing that Roman Emperor urge to fight in the Colloseum (as long as they're never in any actual danger of course). Absolute joke
On iOS at least, a lot of these (location, contact info, health & fitness, etc), you can deny access to via a popup prompt when the app tries to access them.
It’s a Meta app though so at a bare minimum it’s absolutely going to track the heck out of how you use the app.
Twitter has the same amount of required permissions tho. Of course it collects a lot more data than any fediverse application or site but for proprietary software its about average
😟 Shiettt, do I have to delete my Instagram account? I only use it to stay "connected" to old friends.
What about using the Instander app which is what I use to access Instagram? Is it still the same privacy invasion?
Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain how their corporate platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited technical resources to build a decent product Meta still can't resist the allure of quantifying and selling every element of the human existance
I deleted Facebook over ten years ago, and I told everyone I work with that it was about shit like this. Nobody cared. To this day, I have nothing but contempt for those folks. I don't work there any longer, and I don't regret losing touch with those people... Some people just want to watch their own world burn.
L Oh Fucking L. Horrifying that people will just give all this information to a company that already has class action lawsuits against it for data mishandling, without even giving it a second thought. People are dumb.
Seriously, I'm curious how it goes. Meta can pour an insane amount of money into this, but that didn't work for the Metaverse. People already use IG as a Twitter replacement anyway, and Twitter itself just left a lot of people in a bad taste in their mouth.
So I would predict this doesn't have much of a place anywhere, but who knows.
It's a lot of Info but knowing it's planning on using the Fediverse is pretty cool, Glad that everyone should be able to use there own platform / application that they prefer using. Sure a lot of people might end up using Threads due to it being 'Main Stream' but if people on things such as Lemmy & Masterdon can access all the features that Threads and other platforms are wanting to add in, then I see this as a win.
I have a request to any mods/admins/instance owners reading this:
You might get some mileage by putting sticky posts up, ideally in as many communities as possible, warning users about using Meta's app. Make it so every time a Meta user comes and checks us out, they're reminded, over and over, that Meta is spying on them. Repetition gets the message into people's brains!
"Did you know Meta's app watches and times your doomscrolling, and phones home to Meta to tell them which stories caught your eye? It records everything you type, even what you go back and delete, and sends that home to Big Brother. Consider using a spyware-free app, here's where you can get them..."
I don't know if there's a way to put up that warning, but only for people using Meta's app or coming from a Meta instance. Probably not, unless the developers put that in.
Yeah, for people using other clients or just on the web page, it's preaching to the choir, but if there's going to be a huge influx of Meta users, I think the newbies need some friendly education.
I’m actually excited about Threads because it supposedly uses ActivityPub. I know all my non-techie friends are going to use it and I should be able to participate from my self-hosted Mastodon instance.
As much as I dislike Zuck, Mastodon will not scale to millions of users. Normies need their thing too. I don't use Twitter but I do like to view Twitter-like posts for news. If BlueSky or Threads go mainstream, that's good for normies.
yeah, that's why i'm making another account on Threads. i'm super excited for Threads though. large social networks are good for some things that Mastodon/Lemmy/etc will never be good at, by design.
if i had to pick a single platform to use, it'd be Mastodon. but i don't have to pick a single platform.
Most Harvard students are still just 18-22 year old "kids". Think of how dumb/naive you were at that age.
Try telling that to a 18-22 yr old. You think you know everything at that age. Then you get older and realize no one knows any fucking thing
To be fair, when you're at that age and come into contact with dozens of "adults" that never mentally grew past 12, you're bound to think you're "very smart".
Yea except I know I know everything so I'm built different
There’s a reason second-year students are called sophomores. It’s a compound with the same roots as “sophisticated” and “moron”. It literally means “learned idiot”. It’s referring to the students who have a year of schooling under their belt, and think that they understand everything about the world. It’s basically referring to the Dunning-Krueger Effect, where people who know very little about something are the most likely to overestimate their knowledge on the topic.
As a 21 year old I would be offended but then I remember I just admitted my exact age on the internet
You don’t get any smarter, just wise enough to know how dumb you are.
Maybe.
If you're lucky
The problem is that that is a very low bar to overcome
Nah, it's just the kids of the wealthiest people and a handful of diversity admissions.
This is still I think the most telling glimpse into who the "ZUCK" really is. Looking at what meta has become, how it has operated... No matter how professional and respectable he acts.
This is who he really is.
I don't it's a fair assessment - dude was just a kid.
I've watched some podcasts and interviews and I think he's a much more complex of a person. I do genuinely think he's thinks he's doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
Even if you hate Facebook it brought people together in so many places, especially if you consider developing world.
Doing good does not absolve you of having done evil.
Zuck has utterly failed in preventing facebook from doing clear, preventable, harm.
I don't get to walk free, no matter how many homeless people I feed, if I kill one.
The same should go for corporations. If they do evil, once, they should done. Not fined. There is no math which makes the bad that facebook does, necessary to achieve the good it does.
You kinda just gutted 99% of corporations. And done overall nothing for society because they already all reopened under different names.
Why are you assuming the legal framework for ending corporations couldn't have mechanisms to prevent that?
For example, offending corporations could be broken up, and have their assets sold to their competitors. The resulting money used as severance for the employees, who didn't necessarily do anything wrong.
A company can't just "start back up" if you take all their capital. And no-one would re-invest in people known for taking legal risks that might make that investment go "poof".
And 99% of corporations wouldn't be evil if it wasn't fucking legal, and basically required to compete!
I don't think it's even legal to give away a company's assets without their consent, be they criminal or not.
And anyway, that's easy to get around that too. Full of companies that already """go bankrupt""" to avoid paying their due and then reopen with money magically appearing from "somewhere". In the end to me it just seems the more rules/laws you add, the more the average person will suffer because of it while not really causing any for assholes.
"This thing would be illegal" is a pretty shit argument when changing the law is on the table.
And I see you're a fan "anti-regulation" ideals. Did it occur to you that this system could entirely replace a shitload of micro-managing bs current regulation? And did you miss the part where re-investment in criminals wouldn't be a thing it was that expensive? The only reason it happens right now is because it technically legal, and cheap.
That's why limited liability is bullshit. You make the decisions, you go to prison for the crimes that come of them.
It's kind of a gray area though. Do you just jail the CEO if a company does evil? What if it was someone else inside the company and the CEO didn't know? And conversely, what if the CEO knew and is trying to pass off like they didn't, how do you prove it? It turns into slippery slopes pretty fast.
My personal solution would be just to actually scale up the fines. If someone gets fined for something they profited from, it's extremely stupid for the fine to be less than their profit. You're basically telling them to do it again.
I mean, aren't CEOs massive pay justified because they supposedly take on ultimate responsibility for the company?
If a company does something criminal under their watch, then even if they didn't give the orders they have been criminally negligent - surely?
Now, mind, I don't think that they should necessarily be the person punished most - the person's down the chain more responsible should serve more time. But the person at the top shouldn't get away free.
Regardless though I agree - fines with teeth are the most important thing.
I mean, aren't CEOs massive pay justified because they supposedly take on ultimate responsibility for the company?
If a company does something criminal under their watch, then even if they didn't give the orders they have been criminally negligent - surely?
Now, mind, I don't think that they should necessarily be the person punished most - the person's down the chain more responsible should serve more time. But the person at the top shouldn't get away free.
Regardless though I agree - fines with teeth are the most important thing.
Have you watched ‘The Social Dilemma’?
Facebook actively promotes things that will make you scared and angry, because those are the emotions that drive the most engagement and get the most clicks.
The problem I see is that you've bought into his lie. He might "sound" genuine in thinking he's done good, much like Bill Gates sounds genuine when he talks about his philantropic shenanigans. It's all an act.
The only net benefit I see off FB/Meta is that it taught us how dangerous and shitty a centralized internet is.
Woah! How is this real?
This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!
But why? Isn't the whole point of federation that we can interact with people in other communities? Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub? Completely walling them off seems counterproductive
Not defending Meta, just curious
this is why
there is a very good chance that this project by meta is the thin end of the wedge
(edited to include "the blogpost", link here)
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
This should be common sense at this point.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
I certainly don't. I abandoned Facebook years ago because of how BS they were getting with privacy concerns and social manipulation. Last thing I want is to bring those dumpster fires here. They join the platform, I will migrate to whichever Instances defed them or leave Lemmy entirely if necessary. Simply put, it's been a breathe of rational, civil air here. While it is early days keeping that hostile-to-humanity crap out of here is obvious minimum we should be doing.
Were talking about meta here, this is a bait and switch attempt (I see it that way)
They launch their new twitter competitor, everyone moves over to their new twitter clone, they will try and hold the power on standarts of federation (like any big tech corporation that has a smaller rival that succedes more then them, see microsoft vs netscape for refrence)
If they will fail with that, they will try to seduce lemmy and mastodon instaces with monetization and big money handouts, were talking about facebook here after all, they are not short of scummy tactics
If they can embrace and extend the fediverse you know they're gonna extinguish it, too. They're s bad faith actor, we don't want them interacting with us or influencing us.
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
This should be common sense at this point.
I'm don't know how the federation protocol works exactly, but I'm pretty sure Meta can throw more resources into it than all the independent instances combined. Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of the fediverse so I don't know if that applies here, but generally once you control more than 50% of something that does not have a central authority - you became, de facto, that central authority.
We want individuals to adopt ActivityPub. Whether that be in the form of hosting new instances or contributing content. We don't want corporations here trying to turn it into something they can use to make a profit. Once it becomes about the money it is on a death spiral like everything else before it.
What decade are you from, dude?
I don’t understand why people call Facebook Meta now
I don’t accept that name
It’s Facebook
Data this app collects: yes.
"other data"
Honestly, anyone who willingly uses any Facebook product at this point in time deserves to have their every morsel of data stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
If you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
If we're going to cast the Zuck as a sci-fi android, I'd put him as closer to Isaac (The Orville) than Data.
He may want to consume data about human interactions, but you know he's going to pepper any conversation with the phrase "inferior biologicals."
There he stood... Between us and the alley. Zuck Farkus staring out at us with his yellow eyes. He had yellow eyes! So help me God, yellow eyes!
Bro looks like he got long covid
jUsT gIvE mETa A cHAnCe iN tHe fEdIVeRsE DuRRrrpH
Meta rolling into the fediverse like the martians in Mars Attacks.
“Don’t run! We’re you’re your friends!”
I have heard this in Zucc’s voice and it still made total sense.
That's it, now we're gonna have to break out the Slim Whitman!
(cues Indian Love Call)
Yeah, he's a big fan of access. May as well just make an extra category marked "everything".
That's the reason they wanted to make their own phone. They wanted it all
I believe he actually genuinely does. Want it all. Eventually. Hence the heavy pivot into VR and AR years before its actually practical.
Nobody can dethrone google as the gateway guardians to the internet or apple as the almighty hardware lords, but you can beat them to the next thing, whatever that is.
If you want to be the worlds most powerful company, you gotta aim high.
Both of those companies plateaud years ago and have been riding on hype ever since. Neither has done much of any consequence in 5 years or more. They used to at least have a decent product to offer but they, like every other company, have been cutting so many corners in the endless pursuit of growth that the innovation and utility they once provided is quickly disappearing.
Yep. That's because innovation is secondary to marketing and market control once you're already on top.
Innovation comes with risks, that shits for peasants. When you're already on top you have access to better tools. Zuck has to innovate something just because he wants to grow. Or buy someone else's innovation, that works too.
Hey, iPhones are still pretty dang good phones. The issue is that, even assuming they're the best phones on the market, their pricing is still ridiculous.
Pretty sure that's the "sensitive information." Seriously, look at the other categories and tell me what's left.
Isn't that just...everything?
Like is there anything they aren't requesting?
The user interface to display what is granted by using the app is... so sanitary. It disguises the ultimate goal of these insidious apps in such a clean and sterile list that it really seems innocuous. I wish that A$pple would start to display an intensity of how much data is collected by these apps. Green for good, red for bad, gradient for in-between. Or something... I suppose that accessibility for colorblind is important oto. Then it would be a bit more obvious to users when an app is really out to get them vs trying to improve performance.
How clean your bedroom is.
For now, anyway.
Don't forget to report it inside Play Store. All of these permissions are not required, thus the app is breaking store rules.
Instagram has all the same stuff and it’s been there for years. Bet it’s also the case with Facebook
It’s meta. Unfortunately I’m sure their lawyers can come up with dumb bullshit excuses for every one of these.
They're not permissions, they're the types of data that may be collected. Every popular closed source app has a similar obscene list of private data they may collect, but in most cases it's the user that chooses to provide that kind of information voluntarily anyways.
What do you mean its not requierd, but then how will meta sell your data and make billions?/s
I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.
I've got an adblocker app running on a local VPN on my phone 24/7 specifically for this reason. I even managed to install the same app on my Fire TV.
I tried something similar for a while. I had an OpenVPN server set up at home and would connect with my phone, so all my phone's traffic was behind the same protections as my home network. The main issue I experienced was when going through areas without cell service (which happens frequently where I live). I would have to restart my VPN client in addition to any apps that required internet connectivity. Not the safest prospect when you're streaming music and doing 70mph down the highway.
At this point, I don't have anything to protect my phone's traffic when I'm away from home. However, essentially every app on my phone is a FOSS package, so I think the biggest risk to data privacy is probably Google.
I've been a happy user ofNextDNS for a couple of years now.
Can you share which one? I'd like to clean my phone up a bit.
Thanks, looks like just what I was looking for.
I'm using AdGuard. It does cost me about US$30 a year, but it's worth it to me. In the last week, it's stopped an estimated 192,085 ads and trackers saving me an estimated 2.1 GB of data.
It does occasionally block things that I don't want blocked, but it's easy to fix: you can either temporarily disable protection by tapping the notification in your, well, notifications, or you can use its Assistant feature to quickly find the thing that shouldn't have been blocked in the log and add an exception.
I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.
I'm asking myself how people can accept these conditions. There is a huge work of education on privacy to be done.
Well if you download a Facebook owned app you should expect this.
Zuck wants to know your location
Why do all of Zucc companies terms and conditions have this air of desperation and grubbiness about them? 😂
No other services feel as slimy even though they're all doing mostly the same things.
Meta feels like you're interacting with a drug addicted stalker following you home
Seriously. Why does the Oculus app have to run in the background always using 2-3% of my cpu? They say it's to automatically start up when you connect the Rift but that should take like 0 resources. Can't even turn it off in startup options. You have to go into system tray or something to stop it. Facebook is just a spyware company and we all know it.
The Oculus desktop app is a bloated mess. I wish it was just a tray tool that provided what's necessary to connect Oculus Link and use PCVR apps. Instead it pops up a bloody window every time with zombies and what not and does not even allow you to minimize it to the tray.
Because they are desperate. Facebook has NEVER had any good original product ideas. Ever. Everything they've ever done was brought/stolen from somebody else, including Facebook. All the good things Facebook did are their open source stuff like React and GraphQL, which they don't really make money off.
So now, they are running out of ideas to steal/buy, they probably wanted to buy TikTok with Trump's help, but that failed, and they started a TikTok clone in Instagram Reels, that also failed, so they are trying to start a Twitter clone. No original ideas, EVER. It's as simple as that.
He became extra desperate after Apple blocked the ability for Facebook to track users
Is it safe to say that reels has failed? It definitely didn't eat tiktoks lunch but I've used reels loads without ever using TikTok. I think it largely an age/demographic thing.
Instagram is the only real brand they have left that's not bleeding users quickly (I don't know how they can make more money off Whatsapp), so that's why they are branding everything with Instagram now.
Reels was forced on Instagram users, I don't think they are getting any audience who got Instagram just to use reels.
It has failed with the demographic they were after, which is TikTok users lol
Do not trust apps like this. Facebook mined this shit without any warning originally.
They could have saved time by just saying "Everything"
Crazy thought, but people don't need Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, any Twitter replacement, etc. I.e. ya'll don't need 'social media'.
Anyone know Meta's track record with data?
It's got to be great if they ask for all this /s
Lol not sure why people are surprised
What "Other Data"?! Want my fuckin horoscope Zuck? How about the results of my last rectal exam? fuckin hell
It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.
But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.
Fuck off Zuck you fucking weirdo
so what is the difference from Spyware and meta's services
Nothing. As is the case with most social media companies, you are the product. And they do that by spying on you. Same with many other "free" services like, YouTube, email, maps, etc.
well that's make my cybersecurity lesson about spyware irrelevant in this environment, because every Free services are leeches for our information. but the justification for including spyware is where the data is going, and yet again very irrelevant.
Why does Zuck want to know the browser histories of people on the internet? 😳
Why would he need to know Health & Fitness?? Anything related to Facebook/Meta is pure trash.
So he can sell your data to advertisers. Yeah, don’t use anything made by Meta that is connected to the internet.
Worse, they gatekeep your data and only sell your attention to advertisers. That way no one has all the data but them.
Yeah, the data is used to create profiles of you to serve more relevant ads, so that advertisers pay them more. Thats more accurate once I think about it a little.
I want a semi-decent VR headset so bad, but I don’t want to put six or seven cameras made by Facebook into my house.
I mean they already have a bunch of it. You know those social media buttons that could be embedded on a website. Their purpose wasn't to like or share. It was to track you by phoning home.
Yep, thats true.
I do use a VPN and browse via incognito/Firefox though, so my chances of being tracked are pretty low.
Tracking people, in the minds of those doing it, has very little to do with someone's geographical location or which ISP they're using (and in the U.S. they know that anyway even if you use a VPN because each wireless provider throws enough fingerprints onto each model of phone to give out that info with minimal permissions).
They're not tracking you so they can see which path you take to get from your living room to the ice cream shop and back, they're tracking you so they know what you're doing online and in whatever rooms you're in, regardless of where they are.
The microphones listen and record just enough data that they can tell what shows you're watching, etc, without blowing absolutely all of your bandwidth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-device_tracking?useskin=vector
Whether you're on a VPN or using Incognito mode, any site you visit that does any amount of cookie use, visit tracking, session state management, etc, gets data about someone that they can then compare to their existing datasets and then potentially match up with previous data about you.
The absolute proliferation of javascript on the web almost guarantees that every single time you load a webpage, something, somewhere, is loading nigh-invisibly locally on your device that's feeding one kind of information or another back to a webserver about your current browsing experience on the tab you're in right that instant. This is in stark contrast to decades ago where server-side code which renders everything on the back end and delivers it as mostly HTML to your browser was the primary way to handle things. (because as indicated by the fact that many pages take a while to load, javascript is limited by the local processing power of YOUR device. Not theirs.)
Try and browse the web with NoScript or something like it loaded and you'll see what I mean pretty quickly.
VPNs and Incognito mode have their uses, but they are not doing much to stop you from being tracked in the manner that these things are designed to "track" you.
That's like, the biggest goldmine ever, and right now Google has all of it.
Lol fuck that, I’ll stick with mastodon
If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.
I doubt it. Most of the time when I point out to someone just how much data they're giving up the response is just "so what if a chinese person knows about me"
Privacy for its own sake has lost value with the younger generations. What we really need to do is educate on the consequences and dangers of the lack of privacy.
New gen here(19). Care about privacy, while most people i know doesn't. It does not depends on gen. It's just most people of any gen, if they get comfortable with service they would not care if it's gonna take every piece of info they have.
One thing I'm not clear on is how so many people don't care about privacy while mobile operating systems have made permissions labels and privacy controls an important part of the design.
Perhaps it's for the minority of users who are more discerning? Maybe it gives the OS developers something to do?
Potential hot take-- am in my 30s so I dont know if I qualify in your younger generation denotation or not.
I was raised with the thought process of 'act as if you are always on camera' to get me to act right. As I aged, it was amended to 'act as if you are always on camera... because you are.'
Both statements were and remain to be correct. That said, I think there is something to be said about the expectation (or lack thereof) of privacy that the younger generations were raised either in or to know.
I don't think that privacy has lost value through its own or the younger generation's volitions. I think it lost value through... everybody always being watched in one way or another.
This is why it's so completely insane that politicians are on Twitter.
People who are in positions where they could be black mailed should be more careful with the data they give out.
Well, that's a creepy way to go about explaining privacy.
It's a little obnoxious, but it gets the point across.
That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.
Seems reasonable. Where do I put in my social security number and mother's maiden name?
So, what do they not collect?
So just everything then.
Are people really going to sign up for another Meta site? I'm sure as shit not. I finally deleted my Facebook account a couple weeks back, and I'm feelin' free!
It's missing something first born son I think.
Well, that's a big nope....
I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?
Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.
I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?
Don't allow Zuck and the billionaire anti-democracy tech bros into Federation.
This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.
why does need health and fitness? does not make sense but is excessively harvesting data
More information = more accurately targeted advertising
Insurance companies are thirst for that info.
Their justification will be some hokey crap that they can tell whether your active from your movement, which they can detect using the health/fitness via step counts etc.
Not defending this, but isn't this basically also what Instagram (and every other mainstream social media app) takes? Doesn't make it right obviously but considering 99% of users for this thing are coming from Instagram/Facebook in the first place Meta already knows everything about them anyway.
so basically everything they can get from you?
This app will know whether or not you're circumcised
Click on “see details” link and scroll endlessly through it all.
If you have instagram installed you almost certainly already grant all of this.
instander for android
Didnt know this was a thing, thank you very much
oh wow - didn't even know that exists
Is there anything left where they don’t want any permission? Ooof
On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?
I don't think these are permissions, just a list of collected data categories. Google Play's equivalent is the "Data Safety" section and lists the data collected, shared with third parties, and security practices in use. Basically just a more readable privacy policy, but agreeing to that by installing the app does not grant the app with the equivalent permissions automatically.
There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info
What the hell is “sensitive info”
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/
"Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data"
The list every totalitarian government used to have to spend hundreds of millions to compile
And how did they do it?
Big tech companies like IBM.
Fuck me, that's ominous. :/
Holy shit. Well, that's not dystopian at all.
"P.S. Kisses, the Stazi."
Knowing Zuck, it probably includes access to your medical history.
Wants to know your blood type.
Whatever it is, it sounds sinister AF
When Instagram replacement on Fediverse? Fediverse also needs youtube replacement. Lets go all the way and hit these greedy mfers where it hurts. Unfortunetly my dev skills are poor, but I can offer moral support.
Sensitive Info, Health Data? õÔ
I know meta is shit anyways, but what is the idea behind their Twitter competitor, like what is their selling point?
i don't know why anyone would want to go from something as bad as twitter to a Facebook owned twitter
People complain about Lemmy's privacy policy, but... I mean... gestures
This is why I ditched Facebook many years ago. The first time they started to change their TOS and privacy stuff I noped out.
Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.
User: So how many permissions does your app need?
Threads: Yes!
They misspelled their service, should be: threats (to your privacy).
Meta knows they can’t fix their terrible privacy record so they might as well milk it.
Financial Info, Identifiers, Sensitive Info... Woudn't it be easier just to give them my wallet and passport.
Is that.. all of them??? Lmao
Sadly people will still jump there. It will eventually overtake Mastodon in numbers because people are dependent on the convenience of walled gardens.
Meta is sickening. You have to have it for promoting events, artists and such, but it’s toxic and needs to be replaced.
As a music artist, I don’t know how to avoid platforms like Instagram and such while still promoting my art.
Dude I have a step counting app that doesn't even need that shit. It just goes off the gyro. Definitely have no reason to be giving a social media app access to that shit.
1 permission short of asking for the soul of your first born...
Nah thanks. I´m happy in mastodon and lemmy. Also already have whatsapp, instagram and facebook don't need any other app from meta.
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No, this is the data they would like to collect from those foolish enough to grant it.
Which will be most of them.
Can I post here from this instance?
edit: cool
They're the same as for Facebook and Instagram and since this one is perhaps most geared towards existing Instagram users, there won't be much more data given because you've probably already done it.
Because this information is very valuable to advertisers who want to target to customer base. If Meta sells them the users who happen to be X, Y, and Z and also happen to be searching recently for a similar product, Boom they’ve got themselves a likely customer. Much easier than advertising to the masses and hoping 0.1% will bite.
It’s all about discreet money making. The advertisers and Meta only care about how to make money off you.
99% of apps are just a data miner placed in front of a website.
Does it want a semen sample too? Christ.
What else could be „other data“ if the rest is basically everything ? o_o
It doesn’t mean everything, it just means everything not listed. I honestly didn’t know there where that many categories. This is why I deny every permission they ask for. If it fails to run in the dumpster it goes
oh.... I saw a meme about this and thought it was just a joke.
Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain why their platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited resources to build a decent product Meta et al still can't figure out a way to justify their existence without quantifying and selling their users' private behaviors
To this day I have refused to download messenger for mobile since "needing it" is totally bullshit since you can just hit "view desktop site" in Chrome mobile. Won't ever get this bs either.
do they also need nude pictures of me?, or with the blood type and a medical history is enough
Seriously I am already struggling to get meta out of my life enough to sign in to a new service with them.
I was somewhat optimistic about this app given that they were embracing federation, felt like an important milestone like when AOL had to stick a full featured web browser in their app. But this is just gross. Don't want to be a data slut for Zuck.
Any big major for profit company embracing federation is purely for their own revenue generating goals and have no explicit want to be actually good stewards of the Internet, its communities, and about their participation.
Participating in Federation is another way for Meta to suck up as much data as it can to sell its advertising services.
What not even call logs? Lame
Yeah I'm gonna say no thanks.
"sensitive information" I think...a good chunk of this is already sensitive information what else do you want T.T
Where do I sign?!
Dont have Instagram or Facebook won't be getting this either.
How invasive is this really when compared to the first party Twitter app?
The unfortunate bit is that most people still on Instagram/FB won't care and will happily use it.
Sad that it’s even allowed. And how many people will “agree” to this without thinking twice about what it means.
Almost every app is tracking these things. Get an app tracker blocker and it really opens your eyes. You don't even have to agree to it, they'll still track you.
Hackers/script kiddies must be having a heck of a party right now.
Can't Musk and Zuck just fight instead?
Apparently they are going to?!!
Nah, Elon's mum called off the match. Literally: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/06/27/musks-mother-pulls-mom-card-says-cage-fight-with-zuck-has-been-canceled-1372180/ 🤣
Fucking lol.
But also, good. That shit was wierd.
It feels like some rich people never graduated high school.
Yeah, what the hell was that? Lmao
Modern billionaires developing that Roman Emperor urge to fight in the Colloseum (as long as they're never in any actual danger of course). Absolute joke
More recent article. It might still happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/01/technology/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-cage-match.html
I cant believe apps tracking user data this much can even be allowed on app stores
It's a perfectly named app. They're pulling on the thread of privacy protection until it's all undone.
Nope the fuck out of there
Think it is missing: Your first born child
Not yet, but they will be when they snort ALL this delicious, delicious data...
Hmm no.
Is the app out already? Or is this just the App Privacy dashboard for Instagram??
I'm also confused what I'm looking at.
Is this real, or a meme? What is "sensitive info"?
Pretty sure it's real. The app leaked accidentally on the app store a few days ago.
I just checked Facebook and Instagram. If you install those you grant the same access to your data.
It's for the new app. It's on preview on the app store
Thanks for the clarification.
On iOS at least, a lot of these (location, contact info, health & fitness, etc), you can deny access to via a popup prompt when the app tries to access them.
It’s a Meta app though so at a bare minimum it’s absolutely going to track the heck out of how you use the app.
Thanks but no thanks
Twitter has the same amount of required permissions tho. Of course it collects a lot more data than any fediverse application or site but for proprietary software its about average
To play devils advocate, is it possible these permissions are just placeholders until the app is actually released?
All you need to do is look at Instagram’s permissions and tracking to know what they collect. It should be roughly the same, if not exactly.
It's the exact same.
They're not permissions, it's a privacy policy. I don't know why OP called them permissions.
So, all that isn't even enough, "other info" is needed too? This honestly will just get every single thing they can get of ya.
Wow, that's crazy. So "in your face" that they want EVERYTHING
They’ll create a shadow profile for you without you needing to download this app or use their service.
I wonder if this will change the current ToS for Facebook and regular IG
Yuck.
Basically like Instagram
It literally says Instagram. Is this post an inside joke?
The developer is Instagram Inc.
The actual app is not Instagram, it's the new facebook spyware app that I don't know the name of.
Did it? I thought it was a screenshot of the new Threads app which briefly leaked. I checked and Instagram had slightly different permissions
Man, it really looks like a lot when you stack it like that!
So just everything then.
Is it out? I can’t find it. (Not that I would actually use it lol)
Looks like it is out on Friday
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/threads-an-instagram-app/id6446901002
Gonna install it just to to take a snap shot and post lol, obviously say no to all and use temp email address
It's a preorder or something, maybe you need to enable some option for that
Health & fitness?? tan seme??
Hmm no.
That’s a no for me dawg
Yikers
I'm sure they are missing some data.
this is completely terrifying.
Bruh I thought this was the dick size edit again at first before looking further lmao
😟 Shiettt, do I have to delete my Instagram account? I only use it to stay "connected" to old friends. What about using the Instander app which is what I use to access Instagram? Is it still the same privacy invasion?
Absolutely laughable that all these corporate dumbasses are tripping over themselves to explain how their corporate platform is more user friendly but even with near unlimited technical resources to build a decent product Meta still can't resist the allure of quantifying and selling every element of the human existance
Well, this is a screenshots from iPhone as far as I can see. So, this user has been f-up already anyway.
That seems overly permissive...
I would prefer not to.
Yeah... hard pass for me there 🤔
What does that even mean? Sensitive data? Other data could include basically anything anyway.
That's insane. Wait... we're the product... makes sense.
Seems a bit excessive.
I bet they r just being lazy and can get away with it. Wasn't going to use it anyway.
I deleted Facebook over ten years ago, and I told everyone I work with that it was about shit like this. Nobody cared. To this day, I have nothing but contempt for those folks. I don't work there any longer, and I don't regret losing touch with those people... Some people just want to watch their own world burn.
Jesus Christ Zuck. It looks like a lizard is running a mammalian study
Yea, well, it‘s Meta, so what would you expect…
L Oh Fucking L. Horrifying that people will just give all this information to a company that already has class action lawsuits against it for data mishandling, without even giving it a second thought. People are dumb.
Yay, another sword to fall onto.
Seriously, I'm curious how it goes. Meta can pour an insane amount of money into this, but that didn't work for the Metaverse. People already use IG as a Twitter replacement anyway, and Twitter itself just left a lot of people in a bad taste in their mouth.
So I would predict this doesn't have much of a place anywhere, but who knows.
That seems reasonable. I think I’ll throw in my social security number and DNA sample for good measure… just in case they need it.
There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info
I feel seek watching that screenshot
It is how they make money - data. Crazy
Gross
But how else will they know what to sell you? Won't someone think of the poor advertisers?!
It's a lot of Info but knowing it's planning on using the Fediverse is pretty cool, Glad that everyone should be able to use there own platform / application that they prefer using. Sure a lot of people might end up using Threads due to it being 'Main Stream' but if people on things such as Lemmy & Masterdon can access all the features that Threads and other platforms are wanting to add in, then I see this as a win.
I have a request to any mods/admins/instance owners reading this:
You might get some mileage by putting sticky posts up, ideally in as many communities as possible, warning users about using Meta's app. Make it so every time a Meta user comes and checks us out, they're reminded, over and over, that Meta is spying on them. Repetition gets the message into people's brains!
"Did you know Meta's app watches and times your doomscrolling, and phones home to Meta to tell them which stories caught your eye? It records everything you type, even what you go back and delete, and sends that home to Big Brother. Consider using a spyware-free app, here's where you can get them..."
What would be the gain of spreading that message to people who are already browsing lemmy rather than Instagram? 🤔
Meta is releasing threads.net which will (eventually) join the Fediverse.
It's a much bigger topic of discussion over on #Mastodon, #Calckey, etc.
Well, they THINK it will join the Fediverse. There's already a pact between a lot of larger instances to defederate them the moment they appear.
I don't know if there's a way to put up that warning, but only for people using Meta's app or coming from a Meta instance. Probably not, unless the developers put that in.
Yeah, for people using other clients or just on the web page, it's preaching to the choir, but if there's going to be a huge influx of Meta users, I think the newbies need some friendly education.
I’m actually excited about Threads because it supposedly uses ActivityPub. I know all my non-techie friends are going to use it and I should be able to participate from my self-hosted Mastodon instance.
Please be kind and understanding that the advertiser's are also people, they need to eat and make money, this is the only way they have to survive...
As much as I dislike Zuck, Mastodon will not scale to millions of users. Normies need their thing too. I don't use Twitter but I do like to view Twitter-like posts for news. If BlueSky or Threads go mainstream, that's good for normies.
yeah, that's why i'm making another account on Threads. i'm super excited for Threads though. large social networks are good for some things that Mastodon/Lemmy/etc will never be good at, by design.
if i had to pick a single platform to use, it'd be Mastodon. but i don't have to pick a single platform.
Wow. I know people are talking a bit about the privacy concerns here on Lemmy, but enterprise social media is something else entirely...
I wouldn't trust Facebook with my Nintendo friend code, let alone all this